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Naomi Klein has been invited to attend a top level conference at the Vatican, to advise leaders how to fight climate change and dismantle capitalism.
According to The Guardian;
Naomi Klein and Cardinal Peter Turkson are to lead a high-level conference on the environment, bringing together churchmen, scientists and activists to debate climate change action. Klein, who campaigns for an overhaul of the global financial system to tackle climate change, told the Observer she was surprised but delighted to receive the invitation from Turkson’s office.
“The fact that they invited me indicates they’re not backing down from the fight. A lot of people have patted the pope on the head, but said he’s wrong on the economics. I think he’s right on the economics,” she said, referring to Pope Francis’s recent publication of an encyclical on the environment.
Release of the document earlier this month thrust the pontiff to the centre of the global debate on climate change, as he berated politicians for creating a system that serves wealthy countries at the expense of the poorest.
Activists and religious leaders will gather in Rome on Sunday, marching through the Eternal City before the Vatican welcomes campaigners to the conference, which will focus on the UN’s impending climate change summit.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/pope-climate-change-naomi-klein
The madness of this latest development, is Capitalism is the single most important factor which has made the wealth of rich countries possible. Dismantling Capitalism would not make poor countries rich, it would make rich countries poor.
As for non capitalist societies being better stewards of the environment, what a busted myth that is – if you want to see truly horrific levels environmental destruction, you need look no further than the old anti-capitalist Soviet Union, which is now practically a byword for pollution, inefficient use of resources, and environmental degradation.
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Klein is one of McGibbon’s 350.org cultists.
To you, Klein , I say……. “TOWARDS 700ppm !!”
CO2, greening the planet, and feeding the world.
I will return to the Catholic Church when the Church returns to being Catholic.
+100
Yes, this a million times over. Thank you for concisely positing the problem so many American Catholics have with the Church.
I’m about ready to officially renounce my Catholisism.
Who would have thought that the Papacy would become a useful idiot position? Editors of Nature and Science, although strange, you can see how that happened.
I’m developing a notion that maybe it’s a false flag operation and the most clever capitalists are using the useful idiot strategy, coupled with useless idiots, to waste their time on this great big pile of nothing while they get on with being capitalists, i.e, dangerous though the idiots are, they’re less dangerous than they could be while they’re totally occupied with pretending to fight against carbon dioxide (and they still buy fuel too). We’ll see after Paris.
philincalifornia: “….I’m developing a notion that maybe it’s a false flag operation …”
I wish that were true but it’s more sinister than that. Quote from page 75 of the Club of Rome’s 1990 publication entitled The First Global Revolution……
“In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea
that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit
the bill…”
The COR is a group of VERY wealthy and influential people that believe man isn’t capable of self government, Capitalism is the scourge of world economy, and a world government led by appointed bureaucrats (UN) is the only savior. They have control of the media, universities, most governments, and the money to pull it off. Look how far they’ve come already. The EU is a start. The only thing in the way of their plan now in the US is the Constitution and they’ve already sidestepped most of it. Most people claim “conspiracy theory” when confronted with these facts but they have been completely open with their plans. Most people just think it’s too preposterous to be real. It is real.
METRO UK, June 2, 2015
“We’ve got six months to save the world or we’re all doomed”, according to Jeffrey Sachs
Three upcoming events to put this over according to Sachs are:
Funding for Development meeting in Addis Adaba, July 2015
Adoption of new Sustainable Development Goals, New York, Sept., 2015
UN Climate Change Conference, Paris, November, 2015
http://www.metro.co.uk/2015/06/02/weve-got-six-months-to-save-the-world-or-were-all-doomed-5227137/#item-attachment_5025449
This situation just keeps getting worse!
We all knew that the runup to Paris was going to be big. Get the popcorn ready, we haven’t seen anything yet!
Strikes me the recruitment of the Pope and the theatre he is now providing, is a pretty clear indication of how poorly the “Cause’ is selling.
The desperation of our paid “helpers” is becoming immense.
For having wasted billions and after attempting to savage what few freedoms we still have, they are going to have to admit there is no catastrophe. Never was a human fingerprint on climate, measured anywhere.
When you heap scorn,derision upon people who are simply asking for their due, in this case an explanation of the CAGW panic, it is unlikely the scorned are going to be polite and forgiving when you are exposed as charlatans.
The wine has turned to vinegar the roses are dead in the vase..cold is seeping in..
Followed by angry citizens looking for our promised Global Warming.
It seems to be going better for them than in 2009, when the world had bigger fish to fry.
The slightly warmer 2014/2015 has them erasing the ‘pause’, and they redoubled the heavy-hitter panic talk – ‘we must act now’ with not hint of irony that we didn’t act in 2009 and the world didnt end.
It still wont.
Also, they’ve wheeled out bogus health ‘science’ on the harm of heat, apparently heat waves will hit us and the next generation will be too dumb to get out of the hot sun. They are now layering junk science on top of junk models to make junk health predictions. And nobody in the media save for a few maligned ‘skeptics’ calls out the BullStones.
Alarmists wont admit they were wrong, not for decades.
One quibble with terminology:
“Capitalism” is the term Karl Marx used for his strawman parody of the free market.
Yeah,
Excellent quote in there from the boy Friedman:
Phil Donahue’s question of the disparity between the “haves” and the “have-nots” is better framed by which countries “have” economic and individual freedoms vs those that “have not”…
People who live in countries that “have” economic and personal freedoms do much better than those that “have not” these objective virtues.
The economic empirical evidence showing this reality is unequivocal.
Yu da man Milton!
What they are really objecting to is the Pareto Principal or the 80-20 rule; It’s like objecting to E=mc^2. Mankind has always accumulated wealth and 80% of that wealth has always been held by 20% of the population and it follows that .2^3 is .008, .8 ^3 is .51 and you have the famous 1%er’s..
What’s wrong with the 99%’s is that there isn’t one pie, there’s as many pies as people can think of and get people to want to buy, want to make more money, be more valuable.
The problem is some don’t want to (or can’t) do that, and complain about people who are making more money than they do.
The real scandal is that the Papacy would align with Schellenhuber who calls for a global population reduction to a “carrying capacity” of one billion people or less. Furthermore, “Merkel’s Holdren” proposes a series of unelected global tyrannies to supervise the mega-genocide he proposes.
http://tarpley.net/
How do these freaks of nature think they’re going to eradicate 6 Billion people?
Oh, hold on a sec … !!!
in a followup, Rosie Scammel has organisers of the rally mentioned in the Guardian link Eric Worrall has posted, claiming attendance of 5,000. i don’t think so:
29 June: Guardian: Pope Francis’s environmental message brings thousands on to streets in Rome
Vatican officials to discuss climate change and environment with scientists and activists including Naomi Klein
by Rosie Scammell in Rome
Alongside Klein and Turkson, the conservation group WWF has been invited to this week’s Vatican conference and had a strong presence at the rally on Sunday, described as a “historic event” by Samantha Smith, leader of the organisation’s global climate and energy initiative…
Activists at the ***One Earth, One Family event broke through the silence enveloping early-morning Rome with singing and chanting, waving paper birds high over the central Piazza Farnese before marching to the Vatican…
While a few hundred people began the multifaith march, holding banners and sheltering from the sun under giant paper leaves, organisers said about 5,000 were present at the end of the march in St Peter’s Square…
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/pope-francis-environment-rome-naomi-klein-climate-change
***nowhere in google images of the One Earth, One Family rally have i seen any sizeable crowd whatsoever. greenpeace also involved, it seems, & elsewhere i read that 350.org sent a couple of islander “climate warriors”.
in the first photo gallery on One Earth, One Family’s own website, there are no crowds whatsoever, just some WWF, Greenpace, Solar, Migrant Lives Matter banners & the like.
in the second photo gallery, there is one photo of a crowd, with a caption “I finally saw the Pope” but it is evident that is the regular Sunday crowd that congregates in St. Peter’s Square for the Pope’s blessing, & has nothing to do with the rally.
OneEarthOneFamily.org – Photo Galleries
http://oneearthonefamily.org/
So this latest talk-feast will “debate climate change action” well maybe but one thing we can be sure about, it won’t include a free and open debate about what appears to be the current Pope’s alarmist obsession with the quasi-religious man-made warming orthodoxy. Pierre Gosselin recently identified some of the flawed reasoning underpinning the Popes Encyclical:
In another article a few days ago Gosselin explained how:
Sadly with each passing day Francis is identifying himself as a menace to mankind’s efforts to create a more prosperous world in which all people, including the desperately poor, can enjoy the health and well being that freely available, affordable energy brings.
His ambition is clear – he wishes to make people equal. He is the first, though, to center that equality around abject poverty – the least difficult economic condition to achieve by human effort and which is a goal that nobody would choose on their own. Hence the need for wielding the Papal pulpit. It is no surprise the faithful are often referred to as “the flock”. He is an idiot – a very useful idiot.
Papal Epicyclical.
Perhaps all Francis is doing is trying to fulfill the prophecy of him being the last Pope?
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/10/17238040-are-cardinals-electing-the-last-pope-if-you-believe-nostradamus
And on the same day, the Dalai Lama teamed up with Patti Smith.
This is an age of strange alliances.
What’s next? Lady Gaga and Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33303900
So now Francis now supports anti Israel policies?
“In summer 2009, on the occasion of the publication of the Hebrew translation of her book The Shock Doctrine, Klein visited Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza, combining the promotion of her book and the BDS campaign. In an interview to the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz she emphasized that it is important to her “not to boycott Israelis but rather to boycott the normalization of Israel and the conflict.”[37] In a speech in Ramallah on 27 June, she apologized to the Palestinians for not joining the BDS campaign earlier.[38] Her remarks, particularly that “[Some Jews] even think we get one get-away-with-genocide-free-card” were characterized by an op-ed columnist in the Jerusalem Post as “violent” and “unethical”, and as the “most perverse of aspersions on Jews, an age-old stereotype of Jews as intrinsically evil and malicious.”[39]”
I am not a fan of religion, be it old school or new. I trust the world to survive well without a lot of help.
All the theorizing about free market and capitalism and the invisible hand is nonsense if you don’t make the distinction between an entrepreneur and a pirate and that governments are rightly formed to protect their citizens, property, territory and industry from the pirates. Pirates often sail under false flags which explains why so many conflate corporatism with capitalism. National Treasury’s and Central Banks have allowed three card monty games to be passed as “financial instruments” in banking for so long that it may require a return to the gold standard to sort it all out in the long run.
Government is a Pirate and protector of Pirates.
Taxation is theft. How much more piratical can you get?
Simon you are being no less a Utopian than the Communists of whom you complain. We citizens who wish to not be molested by pirates will band together in political agreement to pay by some formula for the nuclear aircraft carrier to protect our right to be free of pirates. Pirates beware! We would be stupid to ban together, pay for the carrier, and hand control of it to unelected friends of the pirate!
Free markets don’t mean political anarchy.
Since individuals have a right to self defense, they have a right to band together and hire someone else to provide that protection for them.
Yeah, They form political and territorial connections to “provide for the common defense”. It’s called a sovereign state. The state derives it’s “just powers from the consent of the governed” It all rings pretty familiar and there were no invisible hands writing it.
You do realize that you aren’t making any sense?
Fossil sage makes perfect sense (to me, at least) .
‘The whole thing works because of sets of rules, and systems to regulate them’ (Hey, isn’t that called a government?).
So any dispute is simply over to what degree does the government really need to be involved.
Those who say “not at all” are more deluded than those who say “completely”. At least we have seen examples of the latter system function for 50 years or so before collapsing in a sorry mess.
(Many in here seem happy with that timeline, it is probably about how long a gigantic corporation would take to get out-competed or out-moded…. but only through the righteous forces of competition, of course!)
Don’t ever worry about all that anti-capitalism stuff. You cannot fool the market in the long run. The truth will out in the end. There is no magic about money or credit. Markets will crash eventually if too many investments are built on sand. You can theorise till the cows come home – cold money facts will eventually prove or disprove your theories.. Just read a book which I can recommend : “Why We Bite the Invisible Hand” by Peter Foster.
I find it interesting (and encouraging), though, that it looks as if the so-called “quantitative easing”, if applied intelligently and moderately, can somehow prevent a real global depression (like the 1930’s). Is it applied “Social Credit??”
While what you say is true, the problem is that the eventual ‘win’ of the market comes sometime after the complete collapse of the society into ruin after all the wealth is squandered, capital stock worn out or destroyed or moved to China, and the money as store of value has turned to dust. I’d rather avoid that process…
There is a very long history of “bubble and crash” and an almost as long history of “Socialism to Poverty”. (See USSR, Fascist Italy, National State Socialist Germany, Khmer Rouge, Maoist Red China pre-market economy, Argentina, Brazil during Socialist runs – yet Brazil as market economy grows fast, and so many more…)
And that is why I’d really really rather not have to wait for the natural end game… it comes in about 50 years and I don’t have that long…
You won’t have to wait 50 years : I’ll hazard the guess that all the billions of dollars of bad investments in alternative energy over the last 15 years will cause a stock market crash very soon. They were expecting oil prices to keep going up to begin making the investments profitable about now – but, alas (or hallelujah), look at oil prices now.
AndyE June 29, 2015 at 2:59 am
The downturn has already begun. The market crash I expect will be seen in September.
The proximate cause in the US? Insurance companies (ObamaCare) are gobbling up all the excess cash produced by the decline in oil prices.
Martin Armstrong predicts the month of the crash as October.
Keep an eye on Greece. If it defaults, it could easily start a world wide banking collapse.
Andy, I have no doubt whatsoever that the market will sort itself out in the long run.
The only problem I have is such natural cycles may take 20, 40, or 50 years … enough to c ruin generations.
It’d be nice if we could balance it out a bit better in the meantime.
Right now we are seeing more wealth than ever accumulate into fewer hands.
So what? Wealth isn’t limited, money is a proxy for human labor in a barter system, and the population keeps growing, I’d be surprised if total wealth has risen as fast as population has.
Why haven’t we seen anyhing like the 1930’s depression since then (i.e. for over 80 years)? I had uncles then desperate for work, but unable to find any for years. I believe capitalism has evolved since then – governments somehow manage to short-circuit the “natural cycles” you talk about. How do they do it? We can point to various actions which served to create the credit necessary for economic growth. I really think no economist is able to pinpoint exactly how it happens. Credit equals money, right? Or is that wrong?Economic orthodoxy will not accept what is happening – but happen it does. Quantitative easing? Funny money? Social credit? Adequate, generous unemployment benefits?
(Sorry for repeating my comment below,
I used it a couple of days ago)
In a new role the Pope is now being cast,
Making more use of his communist past,
To destroy the world’s economy,
And create a UN hegemony,
But how long can this ‘man made’ thing last?
http://rhymeafterrhyme.net/global-warming-and-the-catholic-church/
Virtually all the money sent to Vatican comes from the surplus available from capitalism. How could he not understand that?
Sad to say that a lot of it comes from little old ladies/widows/elderly Social Security income. They were always sending letters to my elderly widowed neighbor wanting more.
Get rid of capitalism? Perhaps this Pope could lead off with a garage sale of all the treasures in the Vatican.
And ALL material treasure came out of the ground from the stone to the gold. Apparently Gaia is not offended if you dig stuff out of “her” as long as it does not burn.
Hmm Naomi has an interesting biography. Interesting family history. That’s all I can say about that. If the writing isn’t on the wall with this one then.. What a circus performance this is going to be. i don’t think anybody important could take this seriously though thank God. No pun intended.
Hmm. I see what you mean. If it works, Naomi Klein is against it.
Here’s a very negative review of NK’s book, on Reason magazine:
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://reason.com/archives/2014/09/16/naomi-klein-changes-nothing&sa=U&ei=bnWRVYihGdGoogS6hYGYBQ&ved=0CBYQFjAA&sig2=CuCmygdXP1_heVR0snaQlQ&usg=AFQjCNHAW4zrFwuszy8QqxSXBfItxUDHzQ
From Wiki – “Klein’s fourth book, This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. the Climate was published in September 2014 The book puts forth the argument that the hegemony of neoliberal market fundamentalism is blocking any serious reforms to halt climate change and protect the environment.”
Perhaps her efforts might be better discussing female bishops (or lack of) with the Pope?
“neoliberal market fundamentalism” is just the Chicago school of economics. If she thinks it’s capitalism, she has another thing coming.
Naomi Klein and Cardinal Peter Turkson; a couple of ignoramuses.
just watched the film ‘KIngsman’. Bwa haha! The evil climate change activists trying to depopulate the planet. Does that sound likely ? I’d say yes!
This is good news. No one with half a brain will believe the pope anymore on anything.LOL
It seems to me that Pope Francis is probably a very poor judge of character and talent when it comes to serious secular issues.
When the curtain finally falls on the AGCC farce, it will also fall on this papacy.
OK, so every time the current Holy Father makes this sort of very non-infallible decision, as a traditional Catholic I feel obliged to offer my coffee mug suggestion as compensation (like “carbon credits”)”
http://www.fidelitybooks.com.au/Hugh/GalileoMug.jpg