Adam Weinstein, of the Gawker, has added his voice to the growing list of greens, who demand a brutal authoritarian response to the vexing problem of people who have a different opinion.
According to Weinstein;
Man-made climate change happens. Man-made climate change kills a lot of people. It’s going to kill a lot more. We have laws on the books to punish anyone whose lies contribute to people’s deaths. It’s time to punish the climate-change liars.
This is an argument that’s just being discussed seriously in some circles. It was laid out earlier this month, with all the appropriate caveats, by Lawrence Torcello, a philosophy professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology.
Read More: http://gawker.com/arrest-climate-change-deniers-1553719888
Weinstein bases his claim that man made climate change “kills a lot of people” on a WHO page, which estimates that 150,000 people per annum are dying because of climate related extreme weather and other problems, such as crop failure.
However, this claim simply doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Even the IPCC has failed to establish a link between CO2 and extreme weather. In addition, the rise in CO2 has so far been strongly beneficial for crop yields – satellites have detected a substantial greening of the planet, thanks largely to the fertilisation effect of the rise in atmospheric CO2.
In recent years we have all seen a worrying surge of hate speech against climate skeptics, and a disturbing level of political acquiescence in the face of murderous fantasy and intolerance. These incidents include a government sponsored celebration of climate murder in a theatre production, MSM cartoons celebrating political violence, more cartoons, proposals for soviet style forced “reeducation”, calls for the death penalty, calls for “deniers” to be jailed, wishes for divine retribution against “deniers”, the gruesome 10:10 video fantasy about murdering the children of “deniers”, and prominent environmentalist David Suzuki’s repeated calls for “deniers” to be jailed, here, and here. There have been far too many threats against the liberty and lives of ordinary people, whose crime against humanity is to believe that 18 years with no change in global temperature, might be an indication that the climate “crisis” has been exaggerated.
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“Another call to arrest climate “deniers””
I see that Weinstein’s article was published more than a year ago. Did you only just notice?
Shame on you Nick for making small the egregious assault on freedom of speech and inquiry. Why don’t you say something about all the others. The way I identify a zealot among the certainly significant number that are honest in their belief in CAGW is that the zealot is 100% supportive of the meme, no matter how extreme the and uncivilized the behavior of your fellows against dissenters. They look for support from the devil himself if it is available.
The zealot says something to marginalize the incident or he stays away. I can count on one hand the number of your persuasion who have stepped forward and criticized one of their own for over the top behavior. The one that comes to mind is George Monbiot’s outrage at the revelations of climategate. This guy is a journalist who believed you wholeheartedly and had the decency to express his disappointment and anger. You are scientist, I’m led to believe, you are far below this journalist on the moral ladder. Tell me you expressed shock at the behavior, too. I’m sure I would have seen that. It would have topped a few posts if it were so.
Ironically, one reason your bunch is losing the battle and getting evermore testy is probably largely because you have marginalized yourselves by supporting or remaining silent when this stuff happens. Tell me your beliefs haven’t changed an iota regardless of the fine work of many sceptics. Tell me it’s normal for a science to be spouting essentially the same stuff (climate sensitivity for example – oh they broadened the range but kept the impossible 4.5C top). Tell me you have no doubts despite a “pause” that has lasted as long as the warm period we were supposed to have been agonizing over. Ah, what’s the use.
I smell a red herring. Did Nick Stokes just get here?
Nick…that’s the kind of comment I would expect from someone who doesn’t have a good working knowledge of his own family history. I have traced my family histories back to the 1600’s (which explains a lot about why I look like a leprechaun). Guess how long it took a letter, written and mailed from Independence just before the wagon train took off for Oregon, to reach the Eastern Seaboard to tell the family they were heading out on the Oregon Trail. You my friend, are clearly thinking that the world must provide information seconds after it is penned. Otherwise something is wrong with either the writer or the recipient. I judge your comment as silly. A very silly comment.
Year-old news is stale to anyone that heard it a year ago, but, Nick, it seems apparent that it’s news to you, too.
If you had omitted your final “Did you only just notice?” your comment would be an interesting observation.
It looks to me that you have a little attitude, there, so why not explain why the oldness of the story is significant?
Is it that Weinstein retracted his piece? Now, he thinks we’re cool?
Do you think WUWT has sat on this hot item, awaiting the perfect moment?
Pamela Gray,
“someone who doesn’t have a good working knowledge of his own family history”
Where do you get that from? I have a very good knowledge of my family history.
Nick Stokes
April 7, 2015 at 1:47 pm
““Another call to arrest climate “deniers””
I see that Weinstein’s article was published more than a year ago. Did you only just notice?”
Have you any evidence that the Leftists have changed in the meantime?
And your point? Do you believe CO2 causes asthma….in the First Family?
Perhaps someone is up for writing a socio-psychology paper on an understanding of the process of arriving at the situation that German and Soviet citizens came to find themselves in in the mid and early 20th Century using the “early” development information of this thread. What we see in this is a desensitizing of citizenry to accept barbarism as a tool for control. George Santayana (famous American sociologist) had a theory that social framework is organic and that one sector of the matrix ultimately affects all parts. A simple example is that breakdown in traditional aspects of culture is soon reflected in art (say) going from representative to unstructured/abstract, spiritual matters (decay of the spiritual) etc. World wars, of course, traumatize social norms and “disease” follows. Note the suicide bombings and now the weekly beheadings by Muslim extremists (now part of social media) and the call for climate sceptics to be blown up (350.org video), to be beheaded, to be put in detention camps…..
Climate zealots have given us an insight into how civilized people can be transformed. What we see from this frenzied group is not something to laugh and poke fun at. We indeed “be few and they be many” to (roughly) quote a Greenpeace official (Green and peace have nothing to do with this org anymore). If they believe their 97% nonsense, we should be the 3% they ignore. How can it be that we of the three are such a threat to the many? Recall, that the Soviet Union and the Third Reich didn’t tolerate the 3% either.
I suppose the biggest problem in such a study is, despite perhaps the most fertile ground for psychological and sociological studies in over half a century staring them in the face, there are no uncorrupted professionals in the field left to do this.
You really don’t have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak, many historians and philosophers have taught the rest of us enough of the story. What needs to be done instead, is to start reading outside your field because we’re getting tired of being ignored, thus my harsh assessment, and waiting around for purists to get with the program is a sure way to lose even the science much less humanity. Don’t whine: MOCK THEIR INCONSISTENCIES RELENTLESSLY! It really does not need a new view, many social scientists have made the connection already. Your comments are revealing and highly disappointing too because you are not willing to acknowledge anything outside your own expertise. You will fail like that. I’ve seen it happen elsewhere, and it is sincerely disappointing to learn how much has been ignored from social sciences and philosophers both which would have ended this so called debate twenty freaking years ago!!!! You don’t have time to reinvent the wheel. Reinventing the wheel, while the rest of us are carrying on, in spite of your ignorance, is a form of cowardice. I understand completely that by now most of you are very narrowly defined, and that you have selective vision because of your studies, but I also know how that will blind someone, even the most highly regarded, to the reality of the public value system. Bye!
I am issuing a call to arrest anyone who does not know what a person’s rights are under the US Constitution.
Naw, don’t arrest them. Just don’t let them VOTE!
Earth calling Weinstein, arresting people who refuse to believe a fairy-tale does not make it come true. That you have such a demented opinion merely shows how weak you morons on the far-left really are. Go ahead and try to arrest me, make my day Tinker-bell.
Clearly Adam Weinstein is completely ignorant of the history of science. They locked up Galileo for denying what the 99% “consensus” of existing “scientists” had to say about the fundamental “settled science” of astronomy that the Sun rotated around the Earth, but the Earth continued to rotate around the sun anyway.
A few of the other scientists who correctly bucked the 99% consensus and thereby revolutionized their respective sciences were, Louis Pasteur, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, Alfred Wegener, Antoine Lavoisier, Robert T. Bakker, and Robin Warren and Barry J. Marshall. Fortunately for humanity, though, psychotic mass murders like Adam Weinstein weren’t put in charge of slaughtering scientific heretics during those times.
Adam Weinstein should try reading “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” by Thomas Kuhn and he MIGHT realize that the history of science is nothing BUT the 99% consensus of WRONG scientists being overturned by the 1% minority with truth on their side.
Earlier I wrote a useless comment concerning the following useless comment from a tweet by Lawrence Torcello:
“The whole world is breaking the law by ignoring climate change.”
Well, I figured just one useless comment by myself today was insufficient so I feel compelled to make two. You see, while it seems bizarre to believe the whole, entire, complete world could actually break a law I’ve come to realize the whole world is indeed breaking the law. It’s just not a law about climate change. We are all breaking a little known but worldwide law that obligates all of us to kill zombies. Has anybody reading this killed a zombie today? No, I didn’t think so. I’ll bet most people don’t even know how. But, if you paid more attention to Hollywood you’d know how. You gotta’ get them in the head. A good pick ax swing or 357 Magnum bullet to the head does trick.
Now, I know what you’re all thinking. The foregoing is utter crap; zombies don’t exist. But I can assure you, they exist every bit as much as melting glaciers in the Himalayas or going extinct polar bears. I know the next question too, “Show me one.” To which I’ll answer, “You’ve all seen them in movies, and that’s just as valid a reality as those photos that show steam from cooling towers as putrid smoke, or those clips that show advancing glaciers plopping into the sea as if they’re melting glaciers.” And, I know the next question, “Well then, show me some coroners reports showing how many people have been eaten or killed by zombies.” And, to that I will answer, “I can show you more coroners reports about people who have died at the hands of zombies than I can show you coroners reports that list global warming as cause of death.”
Ok, folks. For the good of humanity, and to uphold world law, it’s time to start defending against those flesh eating zombies.
Once the philosophers start commenting on Man Made Global Warming it’s time to break out the clown cars and rooty-toot horns!!
When people start quoting philosophers as authorities, it only means that they’ve abandoned all hope of winning an argument on logical and rational grounds.
“clown cars and rooty-toot horns”
A thousand thanks for the best belly laugh all week!
Yes, of course some philosophers understand the concept of -rhetoric- and how the leftists can “win arguments always.” That’s their expertise: how to argue!! But, go ahead and lose all debate via your obvious arrogance. Ever wonder why officials won’t listen to YOU? Because you have NOT listened to historians, philosophers, etc., or the mathematician actually who just recently brought up the greek goddess of chaos. It was brought up in the context of this Climate Change debate Shoshin. The idiots who cannot understand that damn facts, or the scientific process, are NOT ENOUGH given who you must argue against. You are the ones who say, hey look at that, these other people don’t use facts but just lie and lie.
Hey, you know what pal, other people have recognized those OTHER PEOPLE for thousands of years. But you are so much more sophisticated these days aren’t you? Then, you go home wondering how you can win against sophists with your damn noses in the air….oh sure, ignoring the fact that philosophers are talking about the methods…of winning arguments over much more than just your very narrow subject expertise for the last few thousand years. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THE ARGUMENT IS ABOUT: THE MEANS AND METHODS TO WIN, ARE FROM OUTSIDE YOUR EXPERTISE. It only takes a few minutes of reading to know what the rest of us, including some mathematicians in fact Shoshin, know what it takes to always win an argument and it ain’t science pal! My own favorite is Karl Popper, a philosopher of science in fact, who ripped up the sophists in his own generation and who’s barely mentioned today. Pity that we have to forget these kinds of expertise; because your own is failing the debate..
I would hazard a guess that the myriad warmist/Greenist policies will lead to many more deaths…..food shortages as a result of bio fuels. Deaths as a result of increased energy costs. And many, many more.
History has shown us that warm is good and cold is bad. So get your collective heads out of your collective rear ends and stop spouting your inane drivel.
I agree that those who lie about climate change that results in harm to people should be brought before a court of law. The first one would be Al Gore followed by Michael Mann, then William Holdren-climate liars all!
Bring it on
Then we would have a debate in open court
they would have to prove that the climate caused the deaths
they would have to prove beyond doubt that CO2 was tha cause
one case and the whole thing will fall flat
bring it on
Good point. Maybe someone should volunteer to be arrested. Or turn themselves in?
Seriously.
Weinstein:
“Willful, profiteering public deniers of climate change can compare themselves to Galileo all they want, pretending that they’re voices of sanity in a cruel wilderness. But Galileo had science on his side. He had a telescope aimed at the cosmos. Climate deniers have their heads jammed in the sand… or in a barrel of money.”
Galileo did have science on his side, so did Kepler, a heliocentric model of weather and climate. The willful denial and profiteering is made strictly by those who terrify and tithe the innocent on the basis of a geocentric canon of climate that never had a place in science. The contemporary Papal excommunication, and pleas for punishment are little different to 399 years ago when Galileo was put under house arrest. Though this time the matter has massive consequences for us all.
Ulric, don’t forget Galileo was only exonerated by John Paul II in 1979! This must have been a comfort for his family.
“Sieg Heil” is the correct thing to say now, I guess. Right?
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While all the indignant uproar is fun to read, this Adam Weinstein is clearly a left-wing bit player on an obscure blog trying his best to be outrageous:
It’s also over a year old. I have to ask why Eric Worrall dragged this stinking dreck out of the Internet sewer and spread it out for WUWT readers to fulminate over. I suppose it’s useful to further document the totalitarian mindset of the Climate Nazis, but at this point it’s hardly news. The problem isn’t Adam Weinstein; it’s the Puppet President and his handlers, who are intent upon turning the United States of America in a third-world basket case with insane ‘climate’ rules and regulations. We’ve got to turn our attention to getting these miscreants, fools, Marxist fellow-travelers, neo-Luddites out of office and to righting the course of the nation. And while we’re at it, we can clean the ‘climate-change’ crap out of climatology and put real science back on the pedestal where it belongs.
/Mr Lynn
“I have to ask why Eric Worrall dragged this stinking dreck out of the Internet sewer and spread it out for WUWT readers to fulminate over.”
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I think you answered your own question.
Marvh says:
“Sieg Heil” is the correct thing to say now, I guess. Right?
Nope. Instead, be this guy:
http://i.imgur.com/ngDUO2f.jpg
All these stupid wetlands (swamps) various govts keep building does not bode well for future outbreaks of mosquito borne illnesses.
I would that they leave the US and settle in some freedom loving land like North Korea where never is heard a dissenting word. Meanwhile the foundation of the US is to be able to express a well founded opinion, unlike the people who are calling for criminal penalties based on what I can see is either flawed data or just outright fraud. Much like Bernie calling for the imprisoning of auditors for finding out he was a scam artist.
But then communists are always unable to accept anything other than if it leads to their objective. Let’s decapitate anybody who is not like us!!!
It looks like CAGW believers are resorting to the Peter Pan method of science. For global warming to resume, all that is needed is for all of us to close our eyes and repeat, “I believe! I believe!”
It appears Weinstein is unfamiliar with Matthew 7:1. Imagine that.
Reblogged this on gottadobetterthanthis and commented:
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It is important to speak up.
In general, all that is required for evil intentions to prevail is for good people to be passive. Calling for government action against people is almost always evil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_…
I am not a denier. I am an accuser who accuses climate scientists of either incompetence or outright fraud.
Not even faith is beyond question except by the most ignorant bigot. In fact the church my daughter goes to had this as a sermon as to why questioned belief is better than mindless acceptance.
I was taught that science stands or falls by the accuracy of its predictions. As such it is always subject to a single question. Were the predictions 100% accurate compared to the results from certified accurate measurements? To be beyond further questioning the answer has to be YES.
Since we have a range of possibilities the potential error in prediction is at the very least equal to that range either side of the band. Since we have corrections on recent data the error in that data again has a suspect range equal to the required adjustments. When they talk about record temperatures but use only data since 1800 again they are either inept or fraudulent. either the data is valisd or it is not accurate to make any statements of rises based on that data.
The greens aka cabbage brains only say climate change kills. We have proof beyond question that climate taxation of energy kills NOW and has done every year since it was introduced.
DDT safe around kids:
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/DDT2.jpg
“Adam Weinstein, of the Gawker, has added his voice to the growing list of greens, who demand a brutal authoritarian response to the vexing problem of people who have a different opinion.”
Welcome to the club:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/christians-frank-bruni-lgbt-religious-liberty/
Note that: ‘Must be made’. Nowadays, if you dissent from the liberal ‘consensus’ you must ‘be made’ to change your opinion. In the UK we have re-education for people who dissent:
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/family/lord-chief-justice-disciplines-christian-magistrate-for-belief-about-family
Not quite, yet, North Korean-style re-education but we’re working on it.
As the first big move by the EPA the banning of DDT was carried out expressly in the face of the overwhelming “consensus” scientific opinion at the time. It was alleged that EPA chairman Rucklehaus didn’t even bother to read the transcript of the hearings before congress prior to issuing his decree. There was considerable noise made about flawed experimental results from environmentalists getting into “peer reviewed” literature, particularly at Nature and Science. This certainly had a major impact on DDTs use as a vector control worldwide and people perished needlessly as a result (M Palmer I have no idea why you wish to name these events a myth makes me think your whole purpose here is as a straw dog). Another fellow was asking about naming circumstances where “progressives” killed the opposition. I wish to point out especially the Pol Pot era in Cambodia. That was a perfect enviorno/socialist society and to be it’s persecuted enemy all that was required was that you could read. Folks with eye glasses could be summarily executed for knowing how read on that evidence alone!
Pol Pot found a home as an observer at the UN and, after being deposed, in China where the UN would not chase him if they ever got that business about being a war criminal figured out.
“Lobotomy, lobotomy, lobotomy, lobotomy!
DDT did a job on me
Now I am a real sickie
Guess I’ll have to break the news
That I got no mind to lose
All the girls are in love with me
I’m a teenage lobotomy
Slugs and snails are after me
DDT keeps me happy
Now I guess I’ll have to tell ’em
That I got no cerebellum
Gonna get my Ph.D.
I’m a teenage lobotomy
Lobotomy, lobotomy, lobotomy, lobotomy!
DDT did a job on me
Now I am a real sickie
Guess I’ll have to break the news
That I got no mind to lose
All the girls are in love with me
I’m a teenage lobotomy”
We must remember that the EPA was not the result of the activities of the Liberal Lefties from the 1960s but a creation of the Nixon Administration. After Nixon signed off on the elimination of the Military Draft in 73, many on the Left were convinced that Nixon had experienced a Liberal Conversion but many of his Left Leaning Programs have survived to become a major source of constant division within our society. Much of it coming from the river of junk science that has spilled out of private universities committed to private sources of funding like the Koch family who promotes a toxic agenda that only emboldens their specific view. Those in the scientific community who refuse to bend the facts to further this agenda are exposed as blasphemers and cast into the pit reserved for deniers !
Richard T.
You missed your /sarchasm at the end there. You know, that gaping whole between a liberal and the real world.
By the way, if $25,000.00 one time paid to a scientist by the Koch brothers buys a “toxic agenda” … How many self-selected so-called “scientists” can you buy for Big Government, Big Academia and Big Finance for 90 billion dollars in Big Government money paid in just the last three years?
See, there is no such “river of junk science” pouring from “private universities” with “private sources of funding” as you seem to believe. And those so-called “private universities” are fully in bed with their private, public, and anonymous grant money to produce and propagate the CAGW religion that their Government demands.
” A different opinion.” is only a problem if it is right ..
Has there ever been an instance when political authority and a fervent ideology completely embraced that has not resulted in human blood sacrifice?