Laughable modeling study claims: in the middle of 'the pause', 'climate is starting to change faster'

COLLEGE PARK, Md. — An analysis of changes to the climate that occur over several decades suggests that these changes are happening faster than historical levels and are starting to speed up. The Earth is now entering a period of changing climate that will likely be faster than what’s occurred naturally over the last thousand years, according to a new paper in Nature Climate Change, committing people to live through and adapt to a warming world.

In this study, interdisciplinary scientist Steve Smith and colleagues at the Department of Energy’s Pacific Northwest National Laboratory examined historical and projected changes over decades rather than centuries to determine the temperature trends that will be felt by humans alive today.

“We focused on changes over 40-year periods, which is similar to the lifetime of houses and human-built infrastructure such as buildings and roads,” said lead author Smith. “In the near term, we’re going to have to adapt to these changes.”

See CMIP run

Overall, the Earth is getting warmer due to increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere that trap heat. But the rise is not smooth — temperatures bob up and down. Although natural changes in temperature have long been studied, less well-understood is how quickly temperatures changed in the past and will change in the future over time scales relevant to society, such as over a person’s lifetime. A better grasp of how fast the climate might change could help decision-makers better prepare for its impacts.

To examine rates of change, Smith and colleagues at the Joint Global Change Research Institute, a collaboration between PNNL and the University of Maryland in College Park, turned to the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project. The CMIP combines simulations from over two-dozen climate models from around the world to compare model results.

All the CMIP models used the same data for past and future greenhouse gas concentrations, pollutant emissions, and changes to how land is used, which can emit or take in greenhouse gases. The more models in agreement, the more confidence in the results.

The team calculated how fast temperatures changed between 1850 and 1930, a period when people started keeping records but when the amount of fossil fuel gases collecting in the atmosphere was low. They compared these rates to temperatures reconstructed from natural sources of climate information, such as from tree rings, corals and ice cores, for the past 2,000 years.

http://www.pnl.gov/news/images/photos/20150306114807782.png

Taken together, the shorter time period simulations were similar to the reconstructions over a longer time period, suggesting the models reflected reality well.

While there was little average global temperature increase in this early time period, Earth’s temperature fluctuated due to natural variability. Rates of change over 40-year periods in North America and Europe rose and fell as much as 0.2 degrees Celsius per decade. The computer models and the reconstructions largely agreed on these rates of natural variability, indicating the models provide a good representation of trends over a 40-year scale.

Now versus then

Then the team performed a similar analysis using CMIP but calculated 40-year rates of change between 1971 to 2020. They found the average rate of change over North America, for example, to be about 0.3 degrees Celsius per decade, higher than can be accounted for by natural variability. The CMIP models show that, at the present time, most world regions are almost completely outside the natural range for rates of change.

The team also examined how the rates of change would be affected in possible scenarios of future emissions [link to RCP release http://www.pnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=779]. Climate change picked up speed in the next 40 years in all cases, even in scenarios with lower rates of future greenhouse gas emissions. A scenario where greenhouse gas emissions remained high resulted in high rates of change throughout the rest of this century.

Still, the researchers can’t say exactly what impact faster rising temperatures will have on the Earth and its inhabitants.

“In these climate model simulations, the world is just now starting to enter into a new place, where rates of temperature change are consistently larger than historical values over 40-year time spans,” said Smith. “We need to better understand what the effects of this will be and how to prepare for them.”

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This work was supported by the Department of Energy Office of Science.

Reference: Steven J. Smith, James Edmonds, Corinne A Hartin, Anupriya Mundra, and Katherine Calvin. Near-term acceleration in the rate of temperature change, Nature Climate Change March 9, 2015, doi: 10.1038/nclimate2552.

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democritus
March 10, 2015 4:16 am

One question I’ve always had with charts like the first one of the different model runs very actual temps. Where all the model runs started in 1983? Or did the model runs start in say 1995 and the data from 1983 to 1995 just back testing the models? For whatever reason, the models seems to work well for the first 10-15 years. I’m just wondering whether that early data is curve fitted or is that really what the models were predicting in 1983? Thanks.

Mike M
Reply to  democritus
March 10, 2015 4:29 am

Could be the proverbial monkey at the typewriter effect – with perhaps a few Pavlovian “adjustments” thrown in. Lots of behavioral conditioning can be found here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/2014_R&Dbudget_climate.pdf

Reply to  democritus
March 10, 2015 4:46 am

democritus commented

I’m just wondering whether that early data is curve fitted or is that really what the models were predicting in 1983? Thanks.

Since they “know” all of the historical forcing except aerosols, it is my understanding that they use aerosols to adjust the results to match reality. Now I also understand that we have better aerosol data for the last decade or longer, which is narrowing the amount of curve fitting they can do with aerosols the last decade of longer.
Which is that the period the models really start going off the rails isn’t it?

Mervyn
March 10, 2015 8:03 am

They just make it up as they go along! Imagine if company directors engaged in such misleading and deceptive conduct?

johann wundersamer
March 10, 2015 8:29 am

sure OT; but an example of greens direct aggressive approach on a states bases:
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/energy-tax-reform-runs-out-of-steam/41308670
Regards – Hans

johann wundersamer
March 10, 2015 9:10 am

‘The more models in agreement, the more confidence
in the results.’
Yah. The more hyperventilation, the nearer greens kingdoms come.
Who’s looking for.
Hans

johann wundersamer
March 10, 2015 9:30 am

‘The team also examined how the
rates of change would be
affected in possible scenarios of
future emissions.’
So they tried real running models to unsecure reality.
bet who won.

Beta Blocker
March 10, 2015 1:40 pm

Everyone has their own favorite climate model, and as an inveterate lukewarmer with a quirky take on things, here is mine:
Beta Blocker’s “Parallel Offset Universe” Climate Model
http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/Beta-Blocker/GMT/BBs-Parallel-Offset-Universe-Climate-Model–2100ppx_zps7iczicmy.png
The model contains three ‘GMT Year 2100’ scenarios — #1, #2 and #3:
Scenario #1: The ‘Heavy Duty Apocalypse’ Scenario, +3C by 2100:
Global warming suddenly returns with a vengeance in 2016 and progresses upward at a steady rate of + 0.35 C per decade, producing a rise of 3.0 C by the year 2100.
Scenario #2: The ‘Moderated Heavy Duty Apocalypse’ Scenario, +2C by 2100:
Global warming returns at moderate levels until 2060, but then turns upward with a vengeance in 2061 progressing at a steady rate of + 0.35 C per decade, producing a total rise of 2.0 C by the year 2100.
Scenario #3: The ‘Past Patterns Repeat Themselves’ Scenario, +1C by 2100:
The past pattern of trends, each of which consists of a period of moderate upward rise in GMT followed by a period of dramatic slowdown which lasts approximately twenty-five years, is extrapolated into the 2016-2100 timeframe, producing a total rise of 1.0 C by the year 2100.
The basis of the model is that each succeeding GMT Year 2100 scenario is a “parallel offset” version of its predecessor scenario with modifications depending upon what kinds of assumptions are being made. The period of 2016 through 2100 is therefore a “parallel offset universe” relative to the period of 1860 through 2015.
No other calculations, assumptions, or analysis other than what can be seen directly on the illustration, or what can be directly deduced from the information contained on the illustration, has gone into producing this climate model.

whiten
Reply to  Beta Blocker
March 10, 2015 11:14 pm

Beta Blocker
March 10, 2015 at 1:40 pm
Hello Beta.
I must say, I like your model, even as it been an AGW model.
One good thing I myself see there is the rate of change. As far as I can tell the rate seems to me correct (more or less as per scenario 3).
But in the other hand, as I am not a lukewarmer as you, but actually some one that could be considered as a lukenatural, someone who tries to look at climate change and its rate of change by the natural angle, I must say that actually when the rate of change is somehow right the direction is completely wrong.
The climate change will go in the opposite direction, towards the cooling, more or less at the same rates as described by you in scenario 3, up to 2150..
All this in accordance with the CO2 emission increment.
So in a case of an imagined model as from a lukenatural, you will see there a rate ~0.07C per decade towards cooling from 2000 to 2025 and then the rate of cooling increasing as same as per your model scenario 3 rate change,,,,,,,,, with a result of a ~ 1.0C cooling by 2100 from the year 2000.
cheers

Beta Blocker
Reply to  whiten
March 11, 2015 9:08 am

Hello whiten.
My perspective on AGW predictions is that GMT trends as plotted in five-year running means must decline steadily for a period of from 30 to 50 years before the climate science community ever retreats from its basic narrative that: 1) most global warming post-1950 is man made; and that 2) any pauses which occur in post-1950 warming are a result of some combination of man-made and natural factors which are temporarily affecting the climate system’s basic rate of GHG-driven warming.
As long as the trend in peak hottest years which occur every four or five years is up — regardless of how small is the upward trend — the climate science community’s basic AGW narrative will not be abandoned; and those who push AGW as a central tenant of 21st Century environmentalism will not be deterred from using the topic of climate change as an argument for making fundamental changes in America’s economic system, Europe’s economic system, and eventually the global economic system.
What one should get out of my simplistic graphical climate model is that even if the basic climate system is indeed GHG-driven, the presence of systematic pauses in the long-term rate of warming, regardless of their source, can have significant impacts on where GMT finally ends up after the passage of a century. I think that a 1C rise in GMT is the more likely situation, all things considered. But this is something which is much more an opinion than it is a true estimate or a true projection.
Eighty-five years from now, our great grandchildren will be sifting through the iconography of The Great AGW Debate of the Early 21st Century to compare what climate scientists and their critics were each predicting would happen between 2015 and 2100, with what actually did happen. If our great grandchildren run across Beta Blocker’s “Parallel Offset Universe” Climate Model from the year 2015, they might well say to themselves, “For someone who had no formal qualifications in climate science, this guy had something useful to say about the topic.”

whiten
Reply to  whiten
March 11, 2015 10:42 pm

Beta Blocker
March 11, 2015 at 9:08 am
Thank you for the reply.
You say:
“……they might well say to themselves, “For someone who had no formal qualifications in climate science, this guy had something useful to say about the topic.””
———–
I do not know about your qualification in climate science as you to do not know about mine, but whatever the case, in my reply to you is plainly and clearly shown that I do acknowledge and appreciate that actual something useful you say and show about the topic, the increasing of the rate of climate change.
Is basically what these other guys are saying in their study.
The problem though is when that rate is applied only in an AGW scenario, as in your and these other guys case, and completely ignoring the high possibility that.climate change has been, is still and could very well continue to be completely natural.
The rate change as per this topic is not an hypothesis, is a result of analyses, if I am not wrong, that is what it is.
While this rate change will actually increase or not as the analysis in question show, that is something else.
But when considered, the inability to even contemplate it in the prospect of a natural climate change, the total lack of consideration in that angle, is not quite scientific,at least not by my metrics.
In a previous comment of mine I clearly stated that I can not complain about these guys, as they have a product to sell, and the only way for that to happen is by the AGW attached label.
I did not and am not complaining even in your case, as you clearly explained your approach angle as of that of a lukewarmer.
You have your right owned, especially through your honesty and good manners in this case, to propagate and uphold your own view point and understanding in this given topic.
The difference between me and guys like you is that I do understand and have and still do contemplate the AGW,, even that I have already reached a conclusion that means AGW is just a FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, when guys like you can not even be able to contemplate the possibility of climate change been just as it always was, completely natural.
One more thing, just for the sake of the argument as we got this far.
As a lukenatural, I see one very disturbing thing, hopefully I am wrong, but I can’t help it and think that we all including me, will learn one day in a very very very hard way that increment of GHG, greenhose effect, RF do not mean only warming but also mean cooling and some times that cooling could be a very very harsh way to it.
Thank you again for your time
cheers

Beta Blocker
Reply to  whiten
March 12, 2015 10:58 am

whiten March 11, 2015 at 10:42 pm
Whiten: ” …. The difference between me and guys like you is that I do understand and have and still do contemplate the AGW,, even that I have already reached a conclusion that means AGW is just a FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, when guys like you can not even be able to contemplate the possibility of climate change been just as it always was, completely natural. …”

Whiten, I find it difficult to believe that dramatically increased levels of CO2 don’t have some effect on the earth’s global mean temperature. That being said, the next question is, “How much effect?”
For myself, I think GMT will rise about 1C between 2015 and the year 2100. The implication here is that the debate over AGW will not be settled even by the year 2100. It’s too valuable an arguing point for environmental and social activists. However, for those would like to offer their own temperature projection for the Year 2100, I suggest that you might find that Beta Blocker’s CET Pattern Picker is a useful tool for your needs:
http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/Beta-Blocker/CET/Beta-Blockers-CET-Pattern-Picker_zps1cfe566d.png
Here’s how the CET Pattern Picker works:
1: Using the top half of the Beta Blocker form, study the pattern of trends in Central England Temperature (CET) between 1659 and 2007.
2: Using CET trends as proxies for GMT trends, make your best guess as to where you think GMT will go between 2007 and 2100.
3: Linearize your predicted series of rising/falling trend patterns into a single 2007-2100 trend line.
4: Using the bottom half of the Beta Blocker form, summarize the reasoning behind your guess.
5: Add additional pages containing more detailed reasoning and analysis, as little or as much as you see necessary.
6: Give your completed form and your supplementary documentation to your friends for peer review.
7: If your friends like your prediction, submit your analysis to your favorite climate science journal.
8: If your friends don’t like your prediction:
— Challenge them to write their own peer-reviewed climate science paper.
— Hand them a blank copy of the Beta Blocker CET Pattern Picker form.

whiten
Reply to  whiten
March 13, 2015 3:50 am

Hello again Beta Blocker.
Sorry for coming back to you with a reply so late, but for what is worth.
As I said, I do understand AGW and the man made hypothesis, even when actually not accepting that as a proper and possible.
In the same time I do understand why is difficult for you to believe the lack of the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere, especially when some one like me actually is showing you a case, a scenario, of much higher effect or impact of RF in atmospherebut than in the case of AGW man made hypothesis.
1C cooling of atmosphere during a dramatical CO2 emission trend from somewhere of 370ppm to 470ppm is a much more significant effect of RF than in the case of a supposed warming of 1C under the same RF condition.
That was the basics of our exchange. You do not have to accept as proper and possible my point made about the natural climate change, you simply need to contemplate it and understand it in the basics of it.
The selectin from my previous reply to you, the selection you refer to in your last reply to me, shows what the problem may be.
No where in our exchange thus far you can find a point where I said, claimed or implied that the actual dramatical CO2 emission thus far and in the same dramatical trend as up to now has had no any effect and will continue to have no any effect in the atmosphere and climate.
Actually the contrary was the case as put Forward in the context of natural climate change.
Is not my fault I think, that you consider the possibility of natural climate change only in the context of an RF with no effect in the atmosphere, either when the increase of RF dramatical or not.
It could be I guess the side effect of the climate wars entrenching, where one side is completely obsessed and addicted with exaggeration and inflating of the warming effect of RF,,,,,,,,,, and the other side is phobic to any RF effect in climate and atmosphere,……….. I think……:-)
Sorry again for such a late reply,,,,,,,,,,,and thanks again,,,,,appreciated
Cheers

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Beta Blocker
March 11, 2015 2:22 pm

Salvatore Del Prete, March 11, 2015 at 10:37 am
Beta Blocker’s climate model /prediction ignores the historical climatic record completely and will not be correct due to that basic fact.
Salvatore Del Prete, March 11, 2015 at 10:39 am
The climate over the last 150 years has been one of the most stable climate periods over the last 20000 years.

Salvatore, my original comment starts here,
Repeating the graphical illustration:
http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/Beta-Blocker/GMT/BBs-Parallel-Offset-Universe-Climate-Model–2100ppx_zps7iczicmy.png
The above illustration is completely self-contained; i.e., there is nothing on it which can’t be inferred or deduced from something else that is also contained in the illustration.
For example, for Beta Blocker Scenario #1, the rise of GMT of + 0.35 C per decade is nothing more than a line which starts at 2016 and which is drawn graphically parallel to the rate of increase in CO2 which occurs in the post 2016 timeframe. Scenario #1’s basic assumption is that “GMT follows CO2 from Year 2016 forward.”
Beta Blocker Scenario #2 parallels Scenario #1 but delays the start of the strong upward rise in GMT through use of an intermediate slower rate of warming 2025-2060 that is also common to Scenario #3. Scenario #2’s basic assumption is that “GMT follows CO2 but with occasional pauses.”
Beta Blocker Scenario #3 is simply the repeated pattern of upward rise of GMT in the 1860-2015 timeframe, as measured by HadCRUT4, which is reflected into the 2016-2100 timeframe, but with adjustments to account for an apparent small increase in the historical general upward rise in GMT which occurred between 1970 and 2000. Scenario #1’s basic assumption is that past patterns in the rise of GMT prior to 2015 will repeat themselves, but with a slight upward turn as the 21st century progresses.
That’s it. That’s all there is to it. (What could be more simple, eh?)
However, you cannot say that my projections ignore the historical climatic record completely, or that these projections will not be correct due to that basic fact. The official HadCRUT4 surface temperature record from 1860 to 2014 is shown on the illustration, plus the extrapolation of its basic upward pattern into the 2016-2100 timeframe for Beta Blocker Scenario #3.
All three Beta Blocker scenarios for Year 2100 — #1 (+3C); #2 (+2C); and #3 (+3C) — lie within the IPCC AR5 model boundary range; which it should also be noted, allows the trend in GMT in the 2000-2030 timeframe to remain essentially flat while still remaining within the error margins of the IPCC AR5 projections.
If I’m still around in the year 2031, I will take some time to update the above illustration to reflect the very latest HadCRUT numbers published through 2030, including whatever adjusted numbers the Hadley Centre might publish for the period of 1860 through 2015.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Beta Blocker
March 11, 2015 2:32 pm

Oops, that second to last line in the above comment should read:

“All three Beta Blocker scenarios for Year 2100 — #1 (+3C); #2 (+2C); and #3 (+1C) — lie within the IPCC AR5 model boundary range; which it should also be noted, allows the trend in GMT in the 2000-2030 timeframe to remain essentially flat while still remaining within the error margins of the IPCC AR5 projections.”

March 10, 2015 2:26 pm

“The more models in agreement, the more confidence in the results.”
The fewer realities in agreement, the less confidence in the results.
How many realities are there? One.
How many in agreement? None.
Science; done right.

Brandon Gates
March 10, 2015 2:31 pm

David A,

Climate sensitivity “emerges” in the models based on CO2 sensitivity.

That would be CO2 forcing you’re talking about. Climate sensitivity is often expressed in terms or the system response to CO2 forcing, net feedbacks, which is called equilibrium climate sensitivity, or ECS. However, climate sensitivity can be, and is used, to refer to the system response to ANY external forcing: http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/knuttir/papers/knutti08natgeo.pdf
Introduction, with ECS expressed as an explicit function of response to CO2 forcing:
When the radiation balance of the Earth is perturbed, the global surface temperature will warm and adjust to a new equilibrium state. But by how much? The answer to this seemingly basic but important question turns out to be a tricky one. It is determined by a number termed equilibrium climate sensitivity, the global mean surface warming in response to a doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration after the system has reached a new steady state. Climate sensitivity cannot be measured directly, but it can be estimated from comprehensive climate models. It can also be estimated from climate change over the twentieth century or from short-term climate variations such as volcanic eruptions, both of which were observed instrumentally, and from climate changes over the Earth’s history that have been reconstructed from palaeoclimatic data. Many model-simulated aspects of climate change scale approximately linearly with climate sensitivity, which is therefore sometimes seen as the ‘magic number’ of a model. This view is too simplistic and misses many important spatial and temporal aspects of climate change. Nevertheless, climate sensitivity is the largest source of uncertainty in projections of climate change beyond a few decades 1–3 and is therefore an important diagnostic in climate modelling 4,5.
My emphasis, from which it could not be any more clear to me that we do not know what the true response to CO2 forcing will be. ERGO, sensitivity is not dialled into the models according to some memo from Soros or Gore — something one might have expected to have found in the emails stolen from U. of E. Anglia, but are notably absent, yes?
The IPCC itself publishes a RANGE, which as of AR5 stands at 1.5-4.5 K/2xCO2. This is because the GCMs return different values in their response to the exact same past observed CO2 levels, and projected future levels as used as modelling assumptions by each RCP scenario.
The paper continues by describing the more general case of forcings, and system response (sensitivity) to them:
The concept of radiative forcing, feedbacks and temperature response is illustrated in Fig. 1. Anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases, aerosol precursors and other substances, as well as natural changes in solar irradiance and volcanic eruptions, affect the amount of radiation that is reflected, transmitted and absorbed by the atmosphere. This externally imposed (naturally or human-induced) energy imbalance on the system, such as the increased long-wave absorption caused by the emission of anthropogenic CO2, is termed radiative forcing (∆F). In a simple global energy balance model, the difference between these (positive) radiative perturbations ∆F and the increased outgoing long-wave radiation that is assumed to be proportional to the surface warming ∆T leads to an increased heat flux ∆Q in the system, such that ∆Q = ∆F − λ∆ T (1) Heat is taken up largely by the ocean, which leads to increasing ocean temperatures 6.
The changes in outgoing long-wave radiation that balance the change in forcing are influenced by climate feedbacks. For a constant forcing, the system eventually approaches a new equilibrium where the heat uptake ∆Q is zero and the radiative forcing is balanced by additional emitted long-wave radiation. Terminology varies, but commonly the ratio of forcing and equilibrium temperature change λ = ∆F/∆T is defined as the climate feedback parameter (in Wm−2 °C−1), its inverse S ′ = 1/λ = ∆T/∆F the climate sensitivity parameter (in °C W − 1 m 2 ) and S = ∆T 2 × CO2 the equilibrium climate sensitivity, the equilibrium global average temperature change for a doubling (usually relative to pre-industrial) of the atmospheric CO 2 concentration, which corresponds to a long-wave forcing of about 3.7 W m − 2 (ref. 7).

My emphasis again: terminology varies. Annoying, and the source of much evident confusion on top of general confusion, or in your case, what I suspect to be deliberate misunderstanding. (How do YOU like it when others appeal to motive, hmmm?)
Attempting to set aside the polemic for a moment, the key takeaway is this relationship …
λ = ∆F/∆T
… often used to quantify the equilbrium response to ANY forcing. For the record, the canonical value usually used is 0.8 Wm−2 °C−1, though I’ve seen values as low as 0.7. 0.75 is also common. The copypasta is getting longish here, but I want to finish this section because it ties things together into a more complete thought:
The beauty of this simple conceptual model of radiative forcing and climate sensitivity (equation (1)) is that the equilibrium warming is proportional to the radiative forcing and is readily computed as a function of the current CO 2 relative to the pre-industrial CO 2 : ∆ T = S ln(CO2 /CO2( t =1750) )/ln2. The total forcing is assumed to be the sum of all individual forcings. The sensitivity S can also be phrased as 8–10 S = ∆ T0 /(1 − f ) (2) where f is the feedback factor amplifying (if 0 < f < 1) or damping the initial blackbody response of ∆ T0 = 1.2 °C for a CO2 doubling. The total feedback can be phrased as the sum of all individual feedbacks 9 (see Fig. 2; examples of feedbacks are increases in the greenhouse gas water vapour with warming; other feedbacks are associated with changes in lapse rate, albedo and clouds). To first order, the feedbacks are independent of T, yielding a climate sensitivity that is constant over time and similar between many forcings. The global temperature response from different forcings is therefore approximately additive 11 . However, detailed studies find that some feedbacks will change with the climate state 12–14 , which means that the assumption of a linear feedback term λ∆ T is valid only for perturbations of a few degrees. There is a difference in the sensitivity to radiative forcing for different forcing mechanisms which has been phrased as their ‘efficacy’ 7,15. These effects are represented poorly or not at all in simple climate models 16. A more detailed discussion of the concepts and the history is given in refs 5, 7, 17–20.
Note that the concept of climate sensitivity does not quantify carbon-cycle feedbacks; it measures only the equilibrium surface response to a specified CO 2 forcing. The timescale for reaching equilibrium is a few decades to centuries and increases strongly with sensitivity 21 . The transient climate response (TCR, defined as the warming at the point of CO 2 doubling in a model simulation in which CO 2 increases at 1% yr − 1 ) is a measure of the rate of warming while climate change is evolving, and it therefore depends on the ocean heat uptake ∆ Q . The dependence of TCR on sensitivity decreases for high sensitivities 9,22,23.

The bolding is again mine. It’s been argued by some — not that I would name names — that all models are poor, even the non-simple ones. My response to that is that the climate system is unarguably complex, and simple, naive, willfully ignorant arguments about the very complex models used to project what it might do in the future if all other assumptions are correct — which they’ll never be — is stupidly simplistic.
Smart people who persist in over-simplifying the argument this way are being extremely dishonest. Don’t be that guy.

Reply to  Brandon Gates
March 10, 2015 3:24 pm

@Brandon,

My emphasis, from which it could not be any more clear to me that we do not know what the true response to CO2 forcing will be.

I can show the response to daily warming?

YEAR	RISING		FALLING		DIFFERENCE in F	SAMPLE COUNT
1940	15.71097157	15.6830136	0.027957973	40450
1941	15.51280724	15.52291128	-0.010104032	37104
1942	17.19708086	17.18970456	0.007376309	50974
1943	18.49100199	18.49760266	-0.006600669	106368
1944	18.09759878	18.09670445	0.000894331	171413
1945	17.1321793	17.12947072	0.002708585	109356
1946	16.5656968	16.58263341	-0.016936611	75818
1947	17.02919548	17.01359006	0.015605421	104547
1948	18.61353831	18.62331222	-0.009773913	196738
1949	18.88868122	18.87702793	0.011653284	274738
1950	18.59500561	18.59388211	0.001123508	294791
1951	18.50607786	18.48544244	0.020635422	301060
1952	18.71132731	18.72543796	-0.014110651	366071
1953	18.42814736	18.43695155	-0.008804188	380160
1954	17.9957428	17.98496993	0.010772869	396199
1955	17.42433676	17.43215448	-0.007817724	361934
1956	17.72695923	17.71825583	0.0087034	355229
1957	17.5963675	17.62517297	-0.028805471	396449
1958	17.92289163	17.91920132	0.003690311	497221
1959	17.95581365	17.95448641	0.001327244	451085
1960	17.9869764	18.01315115	-0.026174748	508024
1961	18.03388368	18.03508739	-0.001203715	511500
1962	18.22151176	18.22907951	-0.007567744	514658
1963	18.34429315	18.33326835	0.011024797	507837
1964	18.15873062	18.15302857	0.005702056	485246
1965	17.3675503	17.35766173	0.009888569	335812
1966	17.50450441	17.52169516	-0.017190748	393037
1967	17.36575907	17.3679094	-0.002150335	397752
1968	17.55711991	17.5692133	-0.012093387	362322
1969	17.40666311	17.40243898	0.004224134	416322
1970	18.07845446	18.08878884	-0.010334386	486444
1971	17.41842199	17.41011975	0.008302247	176121
1972	17.24428991	17.23699402	0.007295899	172782
1973	18.29953951	18.30869743	-0.009157925	564178
1974	18.01006162	18.01329035	-0.003228731	805208
1975	18.61680029	18.63771804	-0.020917758	792671
1976	18.60309034	18.64140958	-0.038319245	1111465
1977	18.55697684	18.53033801	0.026638833	860841
1978	18.23385269	18.25044722	-0.016594529	1093975
1979	18.32688642	18.31058265	0.016303773	1028032
1980	18.25960534	18.27724383	-0.017638483	1129689
1981	18.31705388	18.3222249	-0.005171018	1099474
1982	17.62293309	17.63431024	-0.011377151	1055440
1983	17.42864046	17.4414735	-0.012833048	1166200
1984	17.37740432	17.38125902	-0.003854703	1220950
1985	17.48307532	17.48756305	-0.004487731	1185677
1986	17.58500848	17.58717123	-0.002162743	1254703
1987	17.4050167	17.40805318	-0.003036479	1235016
1988	17.77354186	17.78007015	-0.006528295	1365931
1989	17.55334589	17.5506176	0.002728288	1265629
1990	17.46665232	17.47565155	-0.008999233	1247673
1991	16.8231994	16.83149181	-0.008292409	1171457
1992	17.02449214	17.03832609	-0.01383395	1304978
1993	17.05782469	17.06297818	-0.005153482	1277117
1994	17.68736749	17.67993302	0.007434471	1298317
1995	17.33133396	17.33992032	-0.008586358	1293354
1996	16.91674692	16.9202606	-0.003513682	1318816
1997	17.21316377	17.20476681	0.008396956	1321324
1998	17.43171297	17.45367591	-0.021962934	1169739
1999	17.78586036	17.80618396	-0.020323599	1147533
2000	18.01024792	18.04020913	-0.029961211	1582673
2001	18.47831326	18.48061249	-0.002299226	1455055
2002	18.20320992	18.21497998	-0.011770051	1534148
2003	18.34413085	18.3384575	0.005673355	1562356
2004	18.25971399	18.26013423	-0.000420242	1769217
2005	17.95410103	17.95819944	-0.004098412	1928381
2006	18.31533458	18.3236668	-0.008332224	2058850
2007	18.26982812	18.28168462	-0.011856501	2070282
2008	18.23365477	18.24080168	-0.007146907	2324740
2009	17.87566685	17.88050967	-0.004842814	2401806
2010	17.88415593	17.88582125	-0.001665325	2506477
2011	18.00993136	18.012606	-0.002674635	2529280
2012	18.42713328	18.44643677	-0.019303489	2632177
2013	18.36008308	18.36336279	-0.00327971	2488421

This is the measured temperature response at global stations which had at least 360 days of both min and max temp for a year, yesterday’s rising temps are averaged as Rising, and last nights falling temps are Falling.
Stations will not be included if they fail to take enough reading, so there’s no guarantee each year has the same stations, but on a year by year the differences is the direct response in surface temps after a day of solar warming, and almost every year (49 out of 73) it cools more at night than it warmed during the day.
“Year” 9999 is the average of all years, 60 million samples.
9999 17.80549016 17.80964193 -0.004151764 69864812
If you round to 0.01, there’s pretty much no difference between daily warming and nightly cooling measured by the worlds weather stations. None, zip, nada.
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Brandon Gates
Reply to  Mi Cro
March 11, 2015 10:20 am

Mi Cro,
I plotted the above, and the trends for all three series show sensitivity to number of observations, same as I’ve noted in the past. The fact that you’re working in absolute temps is one likely culprit. Think about it. If 5 stations are added to the equator, and all else remains equal, it will skew the global average hot for that period.

Reply to  Brandon Gates
March 11, 2015 10:50 am

Brandon Gates commented

I plotted the above, and the trends for all three series show sensitivity to number of observations, same as I’ve noted in the past. The fact that you’re working in absolute temps is one likely culprit. Think about it. If 5 stations are added to the equator, and all else remains equal, it will skew the global average hot for that period.

Did you misunderstand this

Stations will not be included if they fail to take enough reading, so there’s no guarantee each year has the same stations, but on a year by year the differences is the direct response in surface temps after a day of solar warming

I’m telling you right here, you can’t plot it as a trend because the stations are not going to be the same.
What I’m trying to point out is that for that year, the stations I included had the most complete set of measurements taken that year of all of the stations collecting data. All you can compare is the difference between the average annual daily rising anomaly, and the following night’s falling anomaly. Adding 5 stations at the equator would only add whatever the daily range of temp was that year, tropical would be far narrower than a deserts temp range.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Mi Cro
March 11, 2015 6:37 pm

Mi Cro,

I’m telling you right here, you can’t plot it as a trend because the stations are not going to be the same.

Ok, we agree on that much. I genuinely don’t understand how to interpret the results. Warmist brain damage from having thoroughly drunk the Kool-Aid of extant methods for anomaly calculation with a mind toward the collective trend which comes from them, perhaps. I’m looking for multi-decadal trends when I think about climate, not intra-annual or inter-annual weather variability.

What I’m trying to point out is that for that year, the stations I included had the most complete set of measurements taken that year of all of the stations collecting data.

That instinct I understand, but I’ve thought for a that a potential strength of your approach is that it doesn’t necessarily require long-running station records to work.

All you can compare is the difference between the average annual daily rising anomaly, and the following night’s falling anomaly. Adding 5 stations at the equator would only add whatever the daily range of temp was that year, tropical would be far narrower than a deserts temp range.

The only way I know around that is to take a weighted mean. If you’re doing an arithmetic mean, and I believe you are just from having plotted the results for all three series and regressing them against the year-to-year change in number of observations, you’re not going to get a meaninful long-term trend. Which leaves me at a total loss as to how to interpret your results.
One thing I think I screwed up in my previous reply: the RISING and FALLING series looked like absolute temps in Celsius to me, but they’re not. They’re the change in min to max, and max to min from the previous day in degrees F, and as such, are a form of anomaly. Correct?

Reply to  Brandon Gates
March 11, 2015 7:10 pm

“One thing I think I screwed up in my previous reply: the RISING and FALLING series looked like absolute temps in Celsius to me, but they’re not. They’re the change in min to max, and max to min from the previous day in degrees F, and as such, are a form of anomaly. Correct?”
Correct.
Consider each year it’s own trend comparison, where you compare rising to falling, well over half cooling is larger than warming. And collectively cooling is larger than warming.

David A
Reply to  Brandon Gates
March 12, 2015 10:56 pm

Brandon, I am well aware that the climate models are used for public policy, Your comment indicates you perhaps understand that they should not be.
Explaining how complex they are does not mean that the model runs are not informative. They are. Yes there are two primary issues here which you can be more simply stated as the direct climate sensitivity to doubling CO2, and then the feedbacks from that response, which also happen to be the feedbacks from any systemic warming. (By the way, there are over 30 papers expressing a lower climate sensitivity then the IPCC.)
However, do not throw out science 101 with the bathwater. Taking the modeled mean of an ensemble of models all running wrong in the same direction, and using that as a basis for future projections and consequential harms, is a gross violation of basic science.

March 11, 2015 10:37 am

Beta Blocker’s climate model /prediction ignores the historical climatic record completely and will not be correct due to that basic fact.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Salvatore Del Prete
March 11, 2015 2:28 pm

Salvatore, my response is placed underneath my original comment which starts here, Ditto for your second commentary.

March 11, 2015 10:39 am

The climate over the last 150 years has been one of the most stable climate periods over the last 20000 years.

bushbunny
Reply to  Salvatore Del Prete
March 12, 2015 10:18 pm

So long as our orbit around the sun stays stable we are OK, but if it changes our temps will drop and drop. Yes Salvatore, more warmth and more rain. Those jokers must have a crystal ball and it’s cracked. Study our orbit and that will dictate more. If the info is available.