I’m at AGU 2014, thanks to the generous assistance of readers. This is one of the presentations yesterday that caught my eye. One other thing I did notice was that in the poster sessions (which have doubled in size this year) have a lot to say about carbon soot in the Arctic and Southern Greenland as a driver of ice melt. I’ll have more on that later.
San Francisco, California —A combination of new tools and old photographs are giving scientists a better view of Greenland’s ice, and recent discoveries promise to improve forecasts of the region’s future in a warmer world. Overall, the findings show Greenland’s ice is vulnerable to periods of rapid change including vicious cycles of warming promoting further warming.
“In the next century, Greenland melt may raise global sea level by one to three feet,” said Mike MacFerrin, a researcher with CIRES, the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado Boulder. “As melting increases in Greenland, we’re discovering that melt water interacts with the ice sheet in unexpected ways. Understanding these mechanisms is crucial to predicting how Greenland’s ice responds to a warming climate, now and in the future.”
MacFerrin spoke during a news briefing at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco, California. There, four experts on Greenland highlighted several new findings related to water and ice on the northern island. Some emerged from the discovery and analysis of historic photographs of coastal glaciers; others from hard work dragging ground-penetrating radar across the ice sheet and a series of new imaging techniques innovated during NASA’s Operation IceBridge mission.
The researchers discussed the implications of newly discovered ice layers perched just underneath the surface high on the ice sheet: they likely contributed to damaging coastal floods in 2012 and are poised to contribute more in the future. Firn aquifers, recently found beneath porous snow layers, store substantial amounts of liquid water year round and represent a vast reservoir within the ice. This water contributes to a complex hydrologic system within the ice, both storing and releasing water. And surface lakes that hold liquid water through Greenland’s frigid winters are likely warming the ice sheet, priming it for further melt during summer.
“Many of these discoveries are clears signs of a warming ice sheet,” MacFerrin said. “New tools are allowing us to see these subsurface processes for the first time. If we’re going to understand Greenland’s melt contribution to sea-level rise, we need to understand these new melt features and dynamics.”
Old photos, new insights
Greenland’s glaciers retreated rapidly between 1900 and 1930 as the Little Ice Age lost its grip on the region and temperatures climbed. By analyzing early photos of Greenland paired with contemporary ones, researcher Anders Bjork with the Natural History Museum of Denmark has for the first time mapped out the retreat of those glaciers over time.
“Satellites obviously do not cover the early 1900s, when the region experienced a rapid increase in temperatures,” Bjork said. But with time constraints provided by historic photographs, he and his colleagues recorded a remarkably quick ice response between 1900 and 1930, more rapid than seen in the last 15 years, he said. The new data promise to help researchers understand how quickly glaciers can react to temperature changes, which is important today as the Arctic climate warms again.
Unfrozen
Across wide areas of Greenland researchers are finding, that water can remain liquid, hiding in layers of snow just below the surface, even through cold, harsh winters. The discoveries—made by teams including Rick Forster of the University of Utah and Lora Koenig of the National Snow and Ice Data Center—mean that scientists seeking to understand the future of the Greenland ice sheet need to account for relatively warm liquid water retained in the ice. This discovery also means that the surface hydrologic system, once thought to freeze solid during the winter, can remain active year-round.
Using airborne radars flown during NASA’s Operation IceBridge, Koenig and her colleagues were surprised to see the signature of liquid water under snow. They now report these “buried lakes” are common and extensive on the western margins of the Greenland Ice Sheet. The volume of water retained in buried lakes is small compared with the total mass of water melting from the ice sheet every year, but the lakes can warm the ice and prime the system for melt in spring and summer.
While Koenig was studying persistent “buried lakes” in Western Greenland, Forster was using similar radars and satellite measurements to show extensive water retention in a large aquifer concentrated in southeastern Greenland.
Together these findings present a picture of water remaining just below the surface year round around nearly the entire perimeter of the ice sheet. “More year-round water means more heat is available to warm the ice,” Koenig said. “Simply put, for ice sheet stability, lots of water is not good.”
Ice lenses focus runoff
Two years ago, CIRES graduate student Michael MacFerrin was studying snow compaction on the southwest Greenland ice sheet when their drill hit something completely unexpected: dense layers of ice more than 15 feet thick just under the surface. This high on the ice, the researchers expected to find mostly firn (porous, partially compacted snow) with thin, patchy ice layers or “lenses” scattered within. Such firn acts as a sponge of sorts, soaking up surface meltwater and preventing runoff from high up on the ice sheet.
MacFerrin and his colleagues wondered if the ice layers became thick enough to block surface meltwater, how long might it take for meltwater to pool at the surface and run off toward the coast? Two months later, during the record-breaking melt of July 2012, they got an answer: Landsat 7 satellite images showed unprecedented lakes and rivers forming and draining westward. Meltwater poured into the Watson River 90 miles away, contributing to the worst flooding on record and destroying major portions of a bridge in Kangerlussuaq that had spanned the river for 50 years.
MacFerrin returned to Greenland the following year, armed with the tools needed to survey these ice layers on a larger scale. He and his colleagues dragged a ground-penetrating radar system for over 100 miles behind a snowmobile, and have pored over IceBridge radar data from the ice sheet to find where else in Greenland these thick subsurface layers appear. They now report that continuous, thick ice lenses extend dozens of miles further inland than ever recorded before and cover more than 27,000 square miles, the approximate size of New Jersey, New Hampshire and Vermont combined. Recent record-breaking warm summers (2002, 2005, 2007, 2010, and 2012) appear to have generated large amounts of meltwater, which trickled down, refroze, and fattened once-thin ice layers.
With continued warming in Greenland, more melt water will be generated, adding to the processes recently discovered. “Every few years, the ice sheet surprises us, doing something we never knew it could do,” MacFerrin said. “As melt water expands and feeds all these mechanisms, it’s anybody’s guess what we might discover within the next several years. Using the tools we currently have, we’re doing our best to keep up right now.”
– See more at: http://cires.colorado.edu/news/press/2014/AGUgreenland.html#sthash.LOU3RnlK.8p8jmIi1.dpuf

-“Understanding these mechanisms is crucial to predicting how Greenland’s ice responds to a warming climate, now and in the future.”
– “If we’re going to understand Greenland’s melt contribution to sea-level rise, we need to understand these new melt features and dynamics.”
Everytime they look, they find some previously unrecognized, and usually non-linear feature of ice mass loss and mass accumulations.
Simply getting the answer back, “It’s more complicated than we thought.” is hardly a responsible use of public monies if it never leads to informed policy (i.e. taxes forcibly taken from the public for no utility)
What can we do about it besides already realizing that coastal regions around the world will see about 25-30 cm/ century SLR anyway as we are in the interglacial warm period when glaciers and ice packs world wide always melt?
To me it just smacks of another self-licking ice cream cone venture in progress.
The breakup front of the (floating) glacier at Illulisat/Jacobshavn, the fastest glacier of the world in West-Greenland, did retract inland at least since 1850, faster in the period 1930-1950, then advanced again with colder temperatures and retracted again since ~1995.
Summer temperatures were at least as high in the period 1935-1950 as today (but I didn’t update the graphs for the past years),
It seems that there is a connection with the NAO, where Greenland reacts opposite to NW Europe:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/greenland_glacier.html
Some view about the thinning and growing:
http://rsl.geology.buffalo.edu/documents/csatho_j07j061.pdf
And an indication that the North Pole was – at least in summer – was (near) ice free some 6000 years ago:
http://www.ngu.no/sciencepub/eng/pages/Whatsup_20_10_08.html
What happens in the Arctic is reflected in the Reykjavik atmospheric pressure, the north leg of the NAO, which in turn has a decisive effect on the N. hemisphere’s climate.
In the post further above I commented about geomagnetic field as a best proxy for the Arctic events, including the Arctic temperature
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CO2-Arc.gif
This may be due to the direct solar non-TSI, ie. electric and magnetic input:
NASA’s fleet of THEMIS spacecraft discovered a flux rope pumping a 650,000 Amp current into the Arctic. “The satellites have found evidence for magnetic ropes connecting Earth’s upper atmosphere directly to the Sun,” says Dave Sibeck, project scientist for the mission at the Goddard Space Flight Center. “We believe that solar wind particles flow in along these ropes, providing energy for geomagnetic storms”. Even more impressive was the substorm’s power. Angelopoulos estimates the total energy of the two-hour event at five hundred thousand billion (5 x 1014) Joules. That’s approximately equivalent to the energy of a magnitude 5.5 earthquake.
“The satellites have found evidence for magnetic ropes connecting Earth’s upper atmosphere directly to the Sun,” says Dave Sibeck, project scientist for the mission at the Goddard Space Flight Center. “We believe that solar wind particles flow in along these ropes, providing energy for geomagnetic storms”. Even more impressive was the substorm’s power.
We have known this for about half a century [partly due to my work back in the ’60s] and the energy [not power] is not impressive at all, being four million times smaller than what the Earth receives from ordinary sunlight during a typical substorm.
It is OK that you fool yourself, but not OK when you try to fool the Janices among us. D&K is a very apt description of your affliction.
Not wanting to support Vukcevic’s ideas necessarily, but a tiny pull on the trigger of a gun can produce an enormous blast. Likewise, a small dust storm in the Sahara can lead to a tremendous hurricane in the Atlantic a few weeks later. Causes do not have to be in any sense proportionate to the later effects, if conditions are ripe. So it’s not a valid argument that these “ropes” are of very minute power, given that the theory is merely that the influence weather patterns on earth. That’s still not a substitute for an actual mechanism (a trigger always has a mechanism), but it’s not a good argument that such things could not produce significant effects out of all proportion to their original power or size.
Water below Greenland’s glaciers should not be a surprise as they have mapped numerous subglacial lakes beneath Antarctica.The water in that lake is thousands to millions of years old and some lakes had high stands during the colder Ice Ages.
http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/modern-glaciers/subglacial-lakes/
Good point, Jim Steele.
lol, but, don’t you know? Greenland is on the top of our globes…. when IT melts, all the water goes downhill, north –> south…. much quicker sea-level rise … . Heh.
Or, maybe….. I’m onto something, hm? The “IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT! — Buy–Our–Windmills–and-Solar Panels! — campaign strikes again….
So it seems that the internal hydraulics of glaciers still pose many mysteries. Their study goes back at least as far as the 1960s on the Kaskawulsh Glacier in the Yukon Terrirtory.
http://cgip.wikifoundry.com/page/Kaskawulsh+Glacier
“Overall, the findings show Greenland’s ice is vulnerable to periods of rapid change including vicious cycles of warming… ”
Vicious? You can have a vicious storm, but vicious cycles of warming? Really? Vicious for what or who?
That term struck me as odd, too. “Vicious?” (raised eyebrows) Sounds like typical AGW propaganda.
I walked out on an April morning, signs of the savage spring all around me. I felt overwhelmed by our human guilt. The tranquil quiet of winter was shattered by vicious birdsong. All around the loud colors of spring flowers polluted the white landscape. The ominous and deadly sound of flowing streams could be heard . Suddenly a group of deer appeared, apparently to attack me, some of them unnaturally small. One of them briefly eyeballed me with malevolent brown shiny gaze. I fled, terrified, thinking – Oh what have we done? How can we wash our hands clean?
@ur momisugly Phlogiston — LOL. Ooooo how despicably descriptive of the horrors of Spring.
I would have thought it obvious that the ~10°C warming in mid- to high-latitudes within 3–5 years 14 700 cal. yr BP was natural and therefore benign. The ~1°C warming over the last century was anthropogenic and therefore vicious. And unprecedented!
“Using airborne radars flown during NASA’s Operation IceBridge, Koenig and her colleagues were surprised to see the signature of liquid water under snow. They now report these “buried lakes” are common and extensive on the western margins of the Greenland Ice Sheet. The volume of water retained in buried lakes is small compared with the total mass of water melting from the ice sheet every year, but the lakes can warm the ice and prime the system for melt in spring and summer.”
Tell me, how do they tell the temperature of the water using ‘airborne radars’? It seems that there is a certain amount of guessing going on.
Also, it takes 80 calories of heat to melt one gram of ice at 0 degrees C and only one calorie to warm a gram of water by one degree or the loss one calorie to cool by 1 Deg C. That means a very large amount of water will be needed to make any difference by melting ice. This sounds phoney to me!
JPM
There is a new suggestion that the glacial conditions of the last 3 million years may in part be due to volcanic uplift of Greenland:
some new research on the origin of current glaciation 3Mya at the start of the Pleistocene:
The key role of global solid-Earth processes in preconditioning Greenland’s glaciation since the Pliocene
Bernhard Steinberger1, Wim Spakman, Peter Japsen and Trond H. Torsvik
Terra Nova (2015) in press, DOI: 10.1111/ter.12133
Abstract
After >500 Myr of absence, major Northern Hemisphere glaciations appeared during the Plio-Pleistocene, with Greenland leading other northern areas. Here we propose that three major solid-Earth processes underpinned build-up of the Greenland ice-sheet. First, a mantle-plume pulse, responsible for the North Atlantic Igneous Province at ~60 Ma, regionally thinned the lithosphere. Younger plume pulses led to uplift, which accelerated at ~5 Ma, lifting the parts of the East Greenland margin closest to Iceland to elevations of more than 3 km above sea level. Second, plate-tectonic reconstruction shows a ~6° northward component of Greenland motion relative to the mantle since ~60 Ma. Third, a concurrent northward rotation of the entire mantle and crust toward the pole, dubbed True Polar Wander (TPW), contributed an additional ~12o change in latitude. These global geodynamic processes preconditioned Greenland to sustain long-term glaciation, emphasizing the role of solid-Earth processes in driving long-term global climatic transitions.
What the say in this paper is obviously (and somewhat trivially) true, however the main problem with this paper is that it is based on modelling that claims that glaciation on Greenland is impossible in high CO2 conditions.
However the presence of IRD (Ice-rafted Debris) in marine sediments shows that tidewater glaciers existed in East Greenland long before the Pliocene, indeed IRD is present in the Arctic Ocean almost throughout the Paleogene and Neogene, except for the PETM and the Early-mid Eocene.
This is interesting because I see something similar almost every winter. A small stream runs across my property and with a very cold (arctic) outbreak the surface will freeze while water runs freely under the solid surface. [The same thing happens with fresh lava running down a slope.] In either case odd features form as the liquid breaks out the sides or top. Five years ago about ½ acre of ice formed from flow out of a crack. When the flow of the stream drops after the ice forms there is a long tunnel of ice with the surface strong enough that I can drive a 4×4 across with 800 pounds of hay or wood in the bed.
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I did find this funny:
“He and his colleagues dragged a ground-penetrating radar system for over 100 miles …
Great image, that = Parkas, ropes, good sized chunk of equipment, muscle power.
Then “behind a snowmobile”
Oh no! Deflated that image. The word they should use is “towed”, or maybe hauled.
Regarding the annual changes of the Geomagnetic East Component (daily change is used by Dr. Svalgaard et al to reconstruct past solar activity).
Dr. Svalgaard says December 16, 2014 at 10:14 am
No mystery here and nothing to do with the climate or melting of Greenland ice.
There is some data evidence to show that indeed has to do with Greenland, the climate and ice.
East component annual change varies widely along global latitude/longitude locations. Weakest and least uniform changes are those along the Equator, and the strongest are towards the poles; the Arctic being of interest here. This graph
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/Arctic-GmEC.gif
shows sweep of the annual change in the East component at 80N, in 10 degree longitudinal steps. As it can be observed the Fram Strait (80N, 10W-10E) stands out. Its time line appear to have just over 60 year periodicity, the N. Hemisphere’s and the global temperature critical turning points are clearly identifiable, and if de-trended, the coincidence with the AMO is indisputable.
What is special about Fram Strait?
Alfred Wegener Institute:
“The Fram Strait represents the unique deep water connection between the Arctic Ocean and the rest of the world oceans. Its bathymetry controls the exchange of water masses between the Arctic basin and the North Atlantic. The significant heat flux through water mass exchange and sea ice transport, i.e. transport of fresh water and sea ice southwards and transport of warm saline waters northwards, influences the thermohaline circulation at a global scale.”
In conclusion: it appears that the Geomagnetic East component has something to do with Greenland, ice and climate. Data: gufm1
Richard Feynman once said that the easiest person to fool is yourself. You do an excellent job of doing just that.
vukcevic: December 16, 2014 at 9:03 am
No surprise, geomagnetics is one of the best proxies available.
AMO added (see above)
“God doesn’t play dice” A.E.
but he does. and he throws them where we cannot see them…
vuk, you’re right that the Fram Strait is important, but nothing to do w/magnetism — just relatively simple mechanics.
A good explanation for the Henrich & D/O events during glacial periods is that ice-shelves from Greenland expand and dam the Strait, piling up sea-ice behind it & expanding its coverage over the extreme North Atlantic. Alot of additional albedo and a resulting cold spell. Eventually feedbacks break the dam, sea-ice flushes south & melts, albedo decreases and a “warm” spell. Rinse and repeat.
It may or may not, currently there is no knowledge certainty in the sun-earth climate natural variability relationship.
I like: piling up sea-ice behind it & expanding its coverage over the extreme North Atlantic. A lot of additional albedo and a resulting cold spell.
but strongly doubt: Eventually feedbacks break the dam…
Mid Atlantic Ridge runs straight trough Fram strait. Increased magma activity in the ridge (mirrored in the magnetic changes) may release just about enough geothermal heat to meliorate the ice blockage in the strait.
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http://www.nap.edu/books/NI000003/xhtml/images/p20003313g8001.jpg
NOAA agrees. From: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/report08/greenland.html
Glacier changes
Okay, I;m shocked……that they are just now doing this work with the instrumental sled traverses. Is this really the 1950s?
I would point out that there are two completely different regions of ice in Greenland. One is the interior ice sheet. It is almost (but not quite) completely surrounded by a ring of Alpine-type mountains, which holds the interior ice in place for the most part. The other is the coastal ring, on the outer slopes of the ring of mountains, which has slopes that go essentially down to the sea. In that outer ring, the ice is essentially alpine glaciers that run down to the sea.
To discuss the alpine coastal glaciers without clearly explaining that this applies to ONLY to that alpine glacier region/ring is IMHO mendacious to call it “Greenland, as if it is true of the whole island.
The interior ice (80-90% of the ice area and mass) does not move much at all, only having a handful of outlets to the sea – one of which is the Jacobshavn glacier that is mentioned.
It appears from this post that the paper is discussing the alpine coastal glaciers. What goes on with those is not necessarily being paralleled in the ice in the interior.
It is entirely possible that the coastal glaciers could all melt into the ocean without the interior mass being affected much at all. Thus, when people look at what is going on on the coasts and project that ice mass loss to the entirety of Greenland’s ice, they are – basically – WRONG. That isn’t going to happen.