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Question for Americans.
In films (movies) we often see streets in the US with steam emanating from drain covers/grilles. Can someone finally tell me why? I have waited so long to ask this question! Thank you.
Warm water going thru drains from dishwashers. Cold air above condenses water vapor.
Probably from various types of hot water draining from buildings. Many of the older buildings uses steam heat and hot condensate might drain or leak into the drain systems. Cooling lakes at power plants will steam during cold weather. Floor drains in the plant also might be steaming. Not the most efficient use or heat, but might not be cost effective to pursue. Cold air won’t hold as much water as warm. When warm, saturated air hits cold water condenses into vapor. Power plant cooling towers.
You will find that many, many nighttime street scenes will be shot with wet streets. Dry concrete and dry asphalt (tarmac) is ugly on film either motion picture or still. If you wet it down it looks a whole lot better. You can also get nice reflected lighting effects from traffic signals, streetlights etc. as well as long highlights from strategically placed small PAR lights that create a lot of scenic depth. Many of these shows are filmed in Southern California and pavement stays hot for a long time after sunset (it’s a desert) so sluicing a street down with a booster line (small firehose) will warm a lot of water. Since the best effect is via back lighting the vapor plumes are noticeable, especially where lots of that warmed water collects in drains. In darker productions it’s a de rigeuer for the mis en scene… to overuse the vernacular.
A very large proportion of New York City, for instance, is heated with residual heat from power plants. That could account for steam being sent to a drain from buildings after heating.
flattering that you ask at WUWT but check Google for district heating
District heating combined with masterful maintenance.
There’s tons of district heatings in Germany but nowhere such leaks.
Interesting opinion piece about the upcoming devastation from the EPA’s pseudo-science based regulatory nightmare. Links to the Energy Ventures Analysis, Inc. industry study on the 2nd page are worth a read through:
http://townhall.com/columnists/pauldriessen/2014/11/28/the-gruberization-of-environmental-policies-n1924144
MikeB: I don’t know that I follow Doug Cotton and it doesn’t really matter. IMHO one can’t compare Earth to Venus or Jupiter because of the water. Water makes the earth unique.
Fortunately, the water vapor cools the surface of the Earth, not as much as on Venus.
…but does the absence of water vapor keep mars from heating?
Mars is approximately 1.52 times as larger than the Earth from the Sun as a consequence means that orbits our star during 1.9 years of Earth and more precisely in 687 days. The Martian day is 24 hours 37 minutes and 22.6 seconds. Mars Climate is determined (like on Earth) seasons. The average temperature is about -55 ° C, and the temperature at the surface during the winter oscillates around -133 ° C and in summer about 27 ° C. Does on Mars is the stratosphere, which is heated?
This article is pertinent to my question;
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/MRO/news/mro20110421.html
This seems like a backhanded admission that CO2 is not the primary driver of planetary climates.
CBS playing politics:
28 Nov: CBS: Michael Casey: What will it take to get skeptics to warm up to climate change?
As the annual United Nations climate talks get under way Monday in Peru, global leaders are likely to call out natural disasters like Hurricane Sandy in a bid to rally support for a pact combating global warming.
But a new study finds that extreme weather – whether it be droughts, floods or heat waves – does little to change attitudes about climate change in the United States…
Climatic conditions “only have a negligible effect on perceptions about the seriousness of climate change,” the researchers wrote in a study published in Global Environmental Change…
Rather, it comes down to personal politics…
In a separate study in Nature Climate Change that McCright also took part in, researchers found that only 35 percent of Americans believe global warming was the main cause of the abnormally high temperatures during the winter of 2012.
“Many people already had their minds made up about global warming and this extreme weather was not going to change that,” McCright said of the winter, which was the fourth warmest winter in the United States dating back to at least 1895…
Warshaw also said it would help if Republicans saw an economic cost to inaction or see the solutions to reducing carbon emissions as being relatively cheap.
“As the costs of wind power and solar power becomes cheaper to address climate change, I think public opinion on taking action on climate change will change,” he said. “People are attentive to cost.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-will-it-take-to-get-skeptics-to-warm-up-to-climate-change/
not a mention of the contradictory Columbia study in the CBS piece (mind u, i see all these studies as propaganda):
24 Nov: Bloomberg: Cass R. Sunstein: What Global Warming? Pass Me a Blanket
When people think the day’s weather is exceptionally cold, research shows, they’re less likely to be concerned about global warming. And when the day seems unusually hot, concern jumps.
Notably, this effect can be found among Republicans and Democrats, men and women, young and old…
To study this phenomenon, Eric Johnson, Ye Li and Lisa Zaval of Columbia University’s Center for Decision Sciences, asked almost 600 Americans two questions…
And even when the researchers went out of their way to inform respondents that minor fluctuations in weather are to be expected during climate change, the day’s temperature affected their answers.
A follow-up study found that, on exceptionally warm days, people were also far more likely to donate money to a charity concerned about global warming, and they were likely to donate more money as well — 500 percent more than on cold days…
What’s going on here? The best explanation probably involves “attribute substitution,” a pervasive phenomenon described by Daniel Kahneman, a behavioral scientist who won the Nobel Prize in economics…
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-24/what-global-warming-pass-me-a-blanket
Pat
Check out https://hro001.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/uneps-champions-of-the-earth-10th-anniversary-edition/
“Following on the heels of my not-so-recent (surprising, but then again, perhaps not) discovery that absolutely nowhere in the United Nations Charter can one find any mention whatsoever of “environment” or “sustainable development”, i.e. the favourite hobby-horses of the (to the best of my knowledge, unchartered) UNEP, I began reading the verbiage in this Charter. ”
And more
Here’s something to turn your stomach after that big Thanksgiving day dinner:
http://economia.icaew.com/finance/november-2014/future-finance-50
gender politics as CAGW propaganda:
28 Nov: Guardian: Teresa Odendahl: Women on climate change frontline make big impact on small grants
(Teresa Odendahl is CEO of the Global Greengrants Fund)
From Guatemala to Indonesia, bold action by women in communities threatened by extreme weather shows there is an alternative to costly international schemes.
They do so not as a matter of politics, but as a matter of survival.
From the rainforests of Guatemala to the islands of Papua New Guinea, rural communities are losing their homes and livelihoods as their regions face bouts of extreme weather and new cycles of drought and flooding…
Worldwide, the women and grassroots groups with whom we work are taking action to save the environment in concrete ways, from stopping deforestation in Indonesia to promoting clean energy in Nigeria. In the face of death threats and harassment, they drive their projects forward because their lives – and the lives of their children – depend on them.
Despite leading some of the boldest and most successful climate projects, however, they receive little attention and scant backing from typical funders and climate finance programmes…
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/nov/28/cop21-women-climate-change-frontline-small-grants-mama-aleta-baun-west-timor
Global Greengrants Fund
http://www.greengrants.org/
28 Nov: UK Spectator: Ross Clark: Cold is killing fewer Britons than ever. Why don’t we hear about the beneficial side of climate change?
Yesterday, the Royal Society published a report, Resilience to Extreme Weather, predicting that by 2090 four billion people around the world each year will be subjected to heatwave events, with dire consequences for the health of older people.
This morning, the Office of National Statistics published its latest figures on ‘excess winter deaths’. They show that last winter there were 18,200 more deaths between December and February than would be expected during the three summer months. Dramatic though this sounds, it is the lowest recorded in 65 years. During the previous winter, 2012-13, there were 31,280 winter deaths. There is a very good reason why excess winter deaths fell so sharply in the space of a year. Last winter was particularly mild: December and January were 2° Celsius above the long-term average. The winter 2012/13, by contrast, had prolonged periods of cold. There is a long term correlation between cold winters and excess winter deaths.
Cold kills the elderly and infirm, as indeed does heat. But only the latter of these facts is acknowledged in the Royal Society report. It is the same with IPCC reports and others. We hear endlessly about how we will suffer more heatwaves, without any recognition that warmer temperatures would lead to fewer people dying of cold. Yet the latter would be a far bigger benefit than the former a disbenefit. That statisticians in Britain measure ‘excess winter deaths’ rather than ‘excess summer deaths’ is an indication that in a temperate climate, at least, cold is a far bigger killer than heat…
Without a balanced critique of the evidence a climate change report is just propaganda.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/11/why-dont-we-hear-about-the-beneficial-side-of-climate-change/
29 Nov: Stuff.co.nz: Anna Pearson: Climate change threatens Santa’s hometown
Will climate change kill Father Christmas?
A Canterbury academic says that if the big man has to drive his sleigh through slush, the world’s “Santa tourism superpower” – Finnish Lapland – will suffer.
New research published in the Scandinavian Journal of Hospitality and Tourism examined the implications of climate change for “place branding and marketing in a high-latitude context, some of the most rapidly changing environments in the world”.
Its main focus was Rovaniemi, the capital of Lapland, marketed as the “official hometown of Santa Claus”.
University of Canterbury marketing professor Michael Hall said Rovaniemi was “the primary illustration of Christmas branding that is threatened by climate change”…
The Christmas season was “huge” business and incredibly important for tourism in peripheral, isolated high-latitude destinations such as Rovaniemi, he said. A survey showed snow was an essential factor in its tourism appeal…
Tourists might be able to head further north for snow at Christmas time, Hall said, but “that does not help the longer-term problem of climate change”…
“Climate change may not kill Santa Claus but the message that his home is being destroyed may be a powerful enough story that helps to curb the threat that climate change brings to polar environments and places.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/63661571/Climate-change-threatens-Santas-hometown
Santa and his helpers don’t look at all concerned!
22 Nov: Youtube: Christmas Opening 2014 in Santa Claus’ Hometown Rovaniemi in Lapland Finland
Geologists can adjust data as expertly as climate scientists. From http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/activity/kilaueastatus.php :
Sulfur Dioxide Emission Rate estimation caveat: Starting in 2014, we report the emission rate estimated by a new, more accurate method. The numbers increase by a factor of 2-4 but the actual emission rate has not changed.
The best turkey to have for Thanksgiving is Wild Turkey.
Eugene WR Gallun
Wild Turkey shots with Jack Daniels Reserve shots chasers . . .
John
Open Thread? OK…
dbstealey, okay I’ll dance in this minefield with you. I’ll lead what do you know of the campaigns of Eugene of Savoy against the turks?
Mike,
All I vaguely recall [without looking anything up – honest] is that he stopped the Islamists and pushed them out of eastern Europe.
Why did you ask? What we see today are really just rabble filling a political vacuum.
dbstealey “What we see today are really just rabble filling a political vacuum.”
A Pew opinion poll in 2013 reports that 88% of Muslims in Egypt favor the death penalty for any Muslim abandoning their religion (apostasy).
31% of Muslims in UK agree.
I don’t get the political vacuum point.
dbstealey to few understand that this has been a war that has lasted over 1,400 years. E of S was just one of many that stopped them. The campaigns in eastern europe from 1700 to 1912 are why the balkans self destructed in the late 1980s. How can I explain? I look at the two web sites and yawn and say you just figuring that out??? History is my thing but not religious. You have to read about it.
There is a reason why most navies of europe have named a ship Prince Eugene or Eugene of Savoy. He held back the darkness. I asked to see if you knew and you did that is all And I like him
michael
Mike and dbs,
From Extraordinary Popular Delusions & The Madness of Crowds, Charles MacKay, 1841:
= = = = = = = = = = =
“In many of the bloody wars which defile the page of history, we find that soldiers, utterly reckless of the works of God, will destroy his masterpiece, man, with unsparing brutality, but linger with respect around the beautiful works of art. They will slaughter women and children, but spare a picture; will hew down the sick, the helpless, and the hoary-headed, but refrain from injuring a fine piece of sculpture. The Latins, on their entrance into Constantinople, respected neither the works of God nor man, but vented their brutal ferocity upon the one and satisfied their avarice upon the other. Many beautiful bronze statues, above all price as works of art, were broken into pieces to be sold as old metal. The finely-chiselled marble, which could be put to no such vile uses, was also destroyed, with a recklessness; if possible, still more atrocious.
[…]
The crusaders, raising once more their redoubtable war-cry, rushed on from every side, and the city was taken. The battle raged in the streets for several hours, and the Christians, remembering their insulted faith, gave no quarter to young or old, male or female, sick or strong. Not one of the leaders thought himself at liberty to issue orders for staying the carnage, and if he had, he would not have been obeyed. The Saracens fled in great numbers to the mosque of Soliman, but they had not time to fortify themselves within it ere the Christians were upon them. Ten thousand persons are said to have perished in that building alone.
[…]
In the course of time, however, the Christians could not avoid feeling some respect for the courage, and admiration for the polished manners and advanced civilization of the Saracens, so much superior to the rudeness and semi-barbarism of Europe at that day.”
http://www.econlib.org/library/Mackay/macEx9.html#Ch.9,%20The%20Crusades
= = = = = = = = = = =
Infidel, heretic, blasphemy and sacrilege are the vernacular of Christianity – not Islam.
I’ve never once been harassed by a Muslim for my anti-theist stance, probably because the Quran, unlike the Jewish & Christian scriptures, repeatedly states that it is the function of the deity to punish the unbeliever. e.g: Sura 2:256 There is no compulsion in religion.
The most oppressive Muslims countries today are supported by the United States (God’s self-appointed cop on the beat) whereas the most secular and libertine ones always get “liberated” by U.S. Crusaders with their weapons of mass destruction.
Finally,
“Renaissance debt to Islamic civilization is captured in Holbein’s ‘The Ambassadors’ (1533)”
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/IMAGES/holbein-detail.jpg
Georges de Selve, 25-year-old Bishop of Lavaur and ambassador to the Holy See, stands next to:
– textured green silk ‘Damask’ curtain
– ‘Ottoman’ rug
– a book of the new ‘arithmetic’
– a ‘Mozarab’ lute
– a collection of Oriental astronomical and timekeeping instruments, one of which is set for a North African latitude.
mebbe says:
I don’t get the political vacuum point.
Sorry, I wasn’t clear. I was referring to the lack of willpower by elected leaders in the West. By not cracking down on the proliferation of hate-spewing mosques, etc., then naturally the rabble will fill the vacuum.
Mike M,
Yes, Islam is a proselytizing religion. With every setback they regroup. There’s a warning signal there. I hate to say it, but the only answer seems to be Islam delenda est.
Khwarizmi,
Nothing is black and white. But I think you’re picking out things to support your position: Islam Good, Christianity Bad. So I’ll add this for balance: I recall just a few years ago when Islamists destroyed the giant stonework Buddhas because they were a different religion [and Buddhism isn’t even a typical religion, per se].
The goal should be to crush out of existence the base cruelty and intolerance of any group, religious or otherwise. But in the case of Islam, base cruelty and intolerance are so woven into their religion that if it was completely rooted out, there wouldn’t be much left.
Khwarizmi
November 29, 2014 at 1:31 am
Do you actually consider Afghanistan in 2001 to have been “secular and libertine” (well, maybe libertine if you count sexual exploitation of “tea boys” and 11 year-old “brides” by old men)? In Iraq, Saddam’s regime massacred hundreds of thousands of its own people and started wars killing about a million more on both sides.
Christianity went through religious wars that left Europe tolerant. Islam has yet to have experienced such a transition.
Prince Eugene was a German heavy cruiser of WW-II. I presume named after someone of German prominence.
As long as you Opened this thread to this stuff – she is a brave woman, a little crazy eyed, but notable::
I wonder if she believes in CAGW??
I was looking for the one where she gives her name and address to those who want to come and get her. She says she is fully armed and ready….
Oy, listened till the bacon part.
You knew it, and yes, there are other sites at which it would play better.
Looks like she removed all the references to her address and Google maps image as to where she lives which was prominently displayed a couple months ago. Salmon Rushdie fear maybe?
I was expecting at least one scantily clad lady at the link, next time you throw up a “naked” link how about some fair-warning as to its content.
OK ?
(I like that guy, just not right now).
Khwarizmi November 29, 2014 at 1:31 am
because the Quran, unlike the Jewish & Christian scriptures, repeatedly states that it is the function of the deity to punish the unbeliever. e.g: Sura 2:256 There is no compulsion in religion.
Oh?
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah”
Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
I think this is not the forum for this discussion, but like climate science, out of context quotes are easily exposed for what they are. When someone tells me what a book says, I pick up the book and read it to see what is says for myself. Make no mistake about it, I’ve read all the major religious texts and am constantly surprised at what people commonly believe they says versus what they actually say, across all faiths.
And they said it wasn’t possible!
Are the Strongest Lunar Perigean Spring Tides Commensurate with the Transit Cycle of Venus?
http://astroclimateconnection.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/are-strongest-lunar-perigean-spring.html
The weather records are not always accurate even in modern times and in modern cities. In Brisbane I lived near a creek which often overflowed in heavy downpours. My house was always safe. A busy road below me often flooded trapping cars. About 1988 a very heavy downpour mad the creek rise far higher than any previous flood since living there from 1958. Many cars were trapped and as it was night I helped police stop cars entering the water. I measured about 3 inches in an hour or so.
A few years later, about 1993, I was with a group examining the creek regarding a development near its banks. I mentioned the 1988 downpour experience. A bureaucrat from the BOM was next to me and said there was no rain that night. He showed me some data to prove his point. Yet, the nearest official weather recording site was no more than 300m from where I was that night. I have seen heavy rain in a small area but it’s hard to believe because the huge amount of rushing water was coming from the direction of the weather station site.
Did the rain jump over it?
edwina. I’ve experienced the same. There are only a few really major, standout weather events that I remember clearly, and yet none of them appear in the official record for the area. Or at least, not to the extent that they actually occurred. For example, the week I moved into a particular apartment it was cold. Very cold. I clearly remember packing the U-haul in blizzard conditions at about -35C, and the truck froze when I stayed at my parents’ overnight. The news then was that Calgary had just experienced over 30 days in a row where the official high was below -30C.
When I look up that month in the official Environment Canada records, they show no such thing. They show typical, common January temperatures. This was yet another “brick in the wall” about climate alarm. I realized that we can’t trust the record keepers.
28 Nov: CanadaFreePress: Sierra Rayne: Canadians Don’t Really Care About Climate Change
In a story by Margo McDiarmid—apparently now the “Environment Reporter” at CBC News (Canada’s state broadcaster)—the findings of a recent survey on the views of Canadians towards climate change are reported. The survey results, which can be obtained directly online, were done by the Environics Institute for Survey Research in partnership “with the David Suzuki Foundation, which helped to pay for the cost of this year’s research.”
McDiarmid’s article notes the following findings:
“The survey of 2,020 people revealed 50 per cent of respondents are ‘extremely’ or ‘definitely’ concerned about a changing climate.”
Fair enough. As further details, only 17 percent said they were “extremely concerned” about climate change, leaving 33 percent as “definitely concerned.”
But the devil is always in the details on these types of issues…
Left out of the CBC story, but included in the original survey report, is the following useful piece of information:
“The ‘extremely concerned’ group is a leading indicator of public concern as it encompasses those with the strongest emotional connection to the issue and therefore most predisposed to act in response. The size of this group has in fact been declining steadily since 2007 and is now at the lowest level yet recorded.”…
In short, the vast majority of Canadians aren’t really concerned about climate change, and the small subset that do truly care is shrinking—not growing—to its lowest level on record. This is consistent with the results of recent federal and provincial byelections in Canada, where voters clearly rejected climate alarmism at the ballot boxes…READ ON
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/67933
Canada has nothing to fear. See the center polar vortex over Canada (and Siberia). 28.11.2014.
http://oi62.tinypic.com/hstd85.jpg
Very quickly the Hudson Bay freezes over.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/data/201411/AM2SI20141127IC0.png
Can be seen the polar vortex persistently lock of the Bering Strait.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_t100_nh_f00.gif
Ran across this at: http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2013/06/12/carl-sagan-on-science-and-spirituality/
“Plainly there is no way back. Like it or not, we are stuck with science. We had better make the best of it. When we finally come to terms with it and fully recognize its beauty and its power, we will find, in spiritual as well as in practical matters, that we have made a bargain strongly in our favor.
But superstition and pseudoscience keep getting in the way, distracting us, providing easy answers, dodging skeptical scrutiny, casually pressing our awe buttons and cheapening the experience, making us routine and comfortable practitioners as well as victims of credulity.”
[Carl Sagan]
Pat
I agree with your comments about the CBC article re recent the poll paid for the Suzuki Foundation.
I think the recent article by CBC about the ENVIRONICS POLL about Canadian views on climate change illustrates how CBC and the SUZUKI foundation skew the climate science debate in a biased way to make things appear different than they really are. First of all, the SUZUKI FOUNDATION seems to partner and pay for the study . That alone tells you that when an advocacy group for global warming pays for a study, the questions are going to be skewed to favour their point of view and bring out only the issues that they support. Then CBC writes up the story headlining it with “Climate change survey reveals Canadians’ fears for future generations “ Yet only 6 % of Canadians feel that Environmental issues are most important problems facing Canadians today and of this 6% only 2% specifically mention climate change or global warming . So suddenly 2% of Canadians suddenly becomes most Canadians , period, by the inference of the CBC‘s very wrong and terribly misleading title to their story. It is a documented fact that CBC has policy of only Anthropogenics dominating their coverage of climate change , and this article again illustrates how they regularly mislead Canadians about climate change facts and news. I have found that climate science news coming from CBC or the Suzuki Foundation to be unreliable , biased and poorly researched..
We have more corrupt surface data from 3 sites maintained by the Sterling,VA NOAA office.
Martinsburg,WV Hagerstown,MD and Winchester,VA.
I caught them on Wednesday with mobile equipment. I live 15 miles SE of Martinsburg,WV and have been noticing these lies coming from the Sterling,VA office. It appeared they were just adding 3F to the observed reading at all 3 locations. The glaring lie is in the low temperature chart for 11/28/14.
Notice that Martinsburg,WV has a low of 33F. There is no reading within 100 miles that is that warm, much less several hundred miles within a NW/SE direction. This has been going on for sometime over the past 30 to 45 days.
http://www.weather.unisys.com/surface/previous/temp_lo-1.gif
The NWS use to do this back in the late 90’s and early 2000 decade at BWI when I lived at my parents house less than 2 miles from the airport. Frequently the observations would be tampered with whenever they missed a forecast. Sometimes as much as 8F. They also report false snowfall tallies from BWI as well, often undercutting the real amounts by several inches. When I pointed this out the NWS local office banned my public reporting of snowfall tallies at my parents house…coming from an office that frequently lies about temperatures this type of arrogance and untruthfulness is nothing less than expected.
Let’s not also forget this office frequently forecasted south surface winds on the north side of surface low pressure systems over the past 3 years. Finally after pointing this out for 3 years this office was actually including phrases in their forecasts that stated “Winds will blow out of the north behind the cold front.”
It’s because they got caught…and here I caught them again.
It’s so difficult to believe the GW story when I’m catching false readings by NOAA and the NWS in my own backyard. I wonder how many other places in the US and around the world this is going on, but then I also think back to the Record La Nina in 2007 and how NASA claimed surface temperatures were above normal in the regions affected by the La Nina along the equator.
I have noticed that my thermometer is at times lower by one or two degrees F during the daily extremes than the airport 15 miles west of me that reports to NWS (casual observation, no actual data). It happens more often during the cooler months of the year.
I also have very rarely seen the temp at my farm above the airport.
Another windfarm project cancelled[1]. Greenies wailing.
[1] County Down offshore wind farm plans scrapped http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-30280697
Am I correct in understanding that man-made CO2 comprises only 13 parts per million of the atmosphere (3.25 percent of 400 PPM). If so, how could any intelligent person think that tiny amount of contribution could affect global temperatures?
For those that haven’t – a House of Lords committee heard some interesting ‘evidence’ on climate change yesterday from Kevin Anderson:
Anderson gets quite angry after being asked a simple question.