Hotwhopper's Miriam O'Brien – Hoisted by Her Own Petard!

Guest essay by Jim Steele, Director emeritus Sierra Nevada Field Campus, San Francisco State University and author of Landscapes and Cycles: An Environmentalist’s Journey to Climate Skepticism

blog_children_hotwhopperThe blog Hotwhopper, operated by Miriam O’Brien, of Mount Beauty, Victoria, Australia, is the most non-scientific yet the rudest of all websites discussing climate change. Although Carl Sagan’s science baloney alert warns against attacking the arguer instead of the argument, the main tactic of Miriam O’Brien (aka Slandering Sou) is to denigrate all skeptics with waves of insults that always begin with blank “is a science denier”. She then indulges in creating sham arguments, which she then attributes to whoever she is insulting. And as a further indicator of her lack of integrity, she deletes posts that contradict expose her slander. Her dishonest Internet sniping is a cover up for how badly she misunderstands well founded science presented by skeptics. Examples of her failures are far too many to recount here, but her most recent tirade is another classic worth exploring.

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Miriam O’Brien of Mt. Beauty, Australia, aka “Slandering Sou”

In a recent WUWT post, I objected to attempts by advocates of CO2 warming to pressure school districts to adopt only schools books that state climate change debate is over. Camille Parmesan whose faulty science has been in the forefront of climate change misinformation and stated, “From the scientific perspective, there are simply no longer “two sides” to the climate-change story: The debate is over. The jury is in, and humans are the culprit.” So I wrote the post “The Ultimate Irony: Camille Parmesan argues “Texas textbooks need to get the facts straight” on global warming.”

In response to my argument that instead of indoctrination, text books need to encourage more debate to foster critical scientific thinking, “Slandering Sou”, as expected, attacked with the sham headline “Jim Steele at WUWT pushes for pseudo-science, not science, in Schools”.

Sou first attempted to deflect attention from the mountain of evidence showing Parmesan has repeatedly hid contradictory data detailed here, here, here, and here and defiled the scientific process by preventing independent replication of one of her studies. Apparently Sou is a proponent of such misdeeds, so Sou tries to re-characterize a scientific debate into a personal vendetta suggesting “did she snub him at a party? Did she forget who he was one time? Does she not know who he is?” [I never met Parmesan, but I do have a vendetta against dishonest science. JS]

Then predictably Sou launched into a few sham debate topics like “Debate the moon: Is the moon made of cheese and is there really a man living there?”

But when Sou tries her hand at refuting the real details of my arguments against Parmesan faulty papers, Sou reveals just how little she truly understands. And Sou was exposed by the very person she had invited to discredit me, Dr. Michael Singer, Parmesan’s husband, colleague, and co-author.

In response to a video posted by a commenter on WUWT, I noted that Parmesan continues to misrepresent her 1996 study. So I wrote, “What I find most disgusting and dishonest in this 2013 video is that she still repeats her old story that her butterfly (Edith Checkerspot) had moved upwards and northwards when 1) No such thing ever happened. Only the statistical center moved because more the butterflies had been extirpated due to urban sprawl mostly in southern California and 2) she has known for at least 5 years now that populations that she reported as extinct have now returned. That’s why she refused to let me replicate her study. “

So “Slandering Sou” tries denigrate me writing,

“jim Steele says populations of Edith’s checkerspot butterfly (Euphydryas editha) haven’t moved north, only the statistical centre has moved north. Huh? He’s not that good at arithmetic.”

“He makes up weird stuff, implying butterflies “died” rather than shifted, due to global or local warming. Is he an utter nutter or a disinformer, or both? He’s not very bright but is he at some level conscious of his absurdities?”

“Another thing. Jim Steele claims that the butterfly populations reported as extinct have now returned. But he also claims he doesn’t know where those populations are, so how does he know they’ve returned?”

Here’s how. I and Dr. Opler have been in an ongoing discussion with Dr. Singer, and Singer’s recent email alerted me to the fact he had been invited to comment on Sou’s website. Sou and her mini-me CitizenChallenged have been seeking comments from Singer to rebut my posts for almost a year. Singer’s first post was basically his attempt to justify withholding data and not allowing independent replication of Parmesan’s study. He argues that other meta-analyses prove CO2 warming is pushing animals northward so, my replication of one study would not provide any benefit to science, even if it refuted Parmesan’s original study. There are so many things wrong with his claim, it cannot be covered here. But in a few weeks I will address that issue and post “The False Climate Illusions of Meta-Analyses”.

Even though Sou had so badly misinterpreted Parmesan’s study, Singer had initially let her erroneous beliefs slide. So I emailed him suggesting his scientific integrity demanded he correct her slander. To his credit, he did just that.

Dr. Singer wrote,

“Jim Steele asks that I should correct the statements made here that Edith’s checkerspot populations have moved north. The original study showed that a higher proportion of populations at low elevations and latitudes were then extinct than those at higher latitudes and elevations. It did not show that a population had moved or that the northern range limit had expanded. Jim suspects that Parmesan’s conclusion would no longer hold if the study were repeated. He may be right, I don’t know and neither does he…..”

[That’s because independent replication was prevented-JS]

Dr. Singer wrote,

“Jim is also correct in stating that I told him that several populations reported by Parmesan as extinct had since been recolonized. I did better than that, I gave him a complete list of those populations.”

[Singer provided names of those colonies but not locations that would allow a repeat visit.-JS}

So compare the comments by “Slandering Sou”, Dr. Singer and myself. Then you can decide who the real “utter nutter” is?

But there is one more item. Sou’s website is a haven for other skeptic bashers. The new wave of skeptic bashers try to paint skeptics as pseudo-skeptics as illustrated by one of her followers, Mike Pollard, who piles on with

“Jim Steele wrote in his WUWT piece “Camille Parmesan has prevented independent replication of her own dubious climate research on butterfly extinctions…..”

This is classic bullshit (as defined by Harry G. Frankfurt) from a pseudoskeptic. What evidence does Steele have that independent research has been prevented? Absolutely zip. His beef is that the original data has not been made available to him, but that in no way stops him from performing an independent study. His biggest problem is that he does not have the male attachments to get out in the field and actually collect data.”

Again Dr. Singer to the rescue, as his reply easily shows Pollard’s comment is just an empty emotional tirade. Singer wrote,

“Jim is correct that it would have assisted him in any attempt to replicate Parmesan’s study if he had access to her raw data, which he requested a few years ago. Their negotiations about potential collaboration foundered, I’m not sure why..”

So ironically I must thank “Slandering Sou” for providing Dr. Singer with the opportunity to expose the pseudoscience Sou and band of skeptic bashers. I knew she could not delete Dr. Singer’s posts like she has done so many times before, and thus she was hoisted by her own petard.

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phlogiston
November 21, 2014 2:34 am

Raisa Gorbachev the wife of the last president of the Soviet Union, occupied a senior position in the Communist party. Michail Gorbachev recalls in his memoirs how Raisa was critical of how much invective and abuse were directed against the capitalist west. She argued that rationality and logic should prevail without the need of invective.
With hindsight the abusive language of the Marxist idealogs probably sprang from anxiety that they were just about to catastrophically lose the argument. Political developments in the USA, Australia, Canada, India and even Europe suggest that the same is the cause of Miriam’s distress.

Tim
November 21, 2014 3:11 am

So heartrending. Pretty butterflies and cute furry creature are always the ones threatened by Catastrophic Global Climate Change Warming and Disruption. What about the Plankton and protozoa?
Not so pretty and photogenic, so no tugging of heartstrings.

Alx
November 21, 2014 3:15 am

…the original data has not been made available to him, but that in no way stops him from performing an independent study.His biggest problem is that he does not have the male attachments to get out in the field and actually collect data.”

I guess according to Mike Pollard it takes balls to go out in a field and look at butterflies. Using a pencil and taking notes without question takes extraordinary courage. Combat soldiers in the middle east please take note.
A scientist publishes analysis and a conclusion based on a dataset that is purposely not released. The analysis and conclusions is based on a specific data set collected at a specific time so cannot be re-collected due to changing conditions and so the analysis cannot be replicated. Perhaps Mike Pollard will provide Jim a time machine to go back in time and collect the data. The travesty which Mike Bollard is to brilliant to perceive, is that science becomes a mockery if studies are not allowed to be replicated, if other scientists are not allowed the opportunity to disprove the study. We are not talking about a secret formula worth millions for the next anti-aging cream, we are talking raw data. Yes Miriam does own the data and chooses to act like a kid in kindergarten refusing other kids the use of the crayons whining, “They’re my crayons.” Doing this she also chooses, along with dumb as a post Mike Pollard, to make a mockery of science.
BTW props to Mike Pollard for apparently being able to rationalize anything. It would have made him a good prison guard at the concentration camps. Note I did not call him a Nazi, only that if he was a Nazi he would have been able to rationalise it.

Eliza
November 21, 2014 3:19 am

Its very sad that Australia produces such scientifically illiterate ignorant adults probably from due to very poor school science teaching started by the politically correct Keating in the 80’s. Flannery, Cook, Wong, Rudd, Brown ect and Universities which used to have a name (ie Qld) basically being degraded to 4th world status

tango
Reply to  Eliza
November 21, 2014 6:18 am

due to left wing dumb teachers and it is getting worse very sad

Chip Javert
Reply to  Eliza
November 21, 2014 9:33 am

Actually, most “scientifically illiterate ignorant adults” (your words) do not explicitly chose that status, they simply decided to learn other things (e.g.: English lit, auto mechanic, chef, etc). This is not wrong. It’s ridiculous to assume every citizen has to master every subject. Most simply delegate the conduct of science to what they assume are ethical and properly trained experts.
The problem arises when witch doctors (e.g.: Mann, et al) knowingly and wantonly violate and manipulate that implied trust.
We really don’t have a “science” problem here; we have an integrity & accountability problem.

November 21, 2014 3:29 am

“In handling a stinging insect, move very slowly.”
— R. A. Heinlein

u.k.(us)
Reply to  Alexander Feht
November 22, 2014 5:55 pm

When at a young age, with leather gloves, you “play fight” with your sisters alley cat.
You quickly learn to recognize the point when it stops “playing”.
When its claws are dug in, it is best to “move very slowly” 🙂

Kurt in Switzerland
November 21, 2014 4:56 am

Well done, Jim.
One would think that Sou / Hot Whopper / Miriam would hide her head in shame, issue a mea culpa and even apologize to you, if she were a reasonable, rational and balanced individual.
Her silence speaks volumes.
Kurt in Switzerland

James Strom
November 21, 2014 5:10 am

“He argues that other meta-analyses prove CO2 warming is pushing animals northward so, my replication of one study would not provide any benefit to science, even if it refuted Parmesan’s original study.”
I have a hard time understanding this claim. Would it also fail to provide a benefit to science if a discredited paper were withdrawn? Also, if underlying studies were discredited successively would there not be a point where meta-analyses based on them are also discredited?

beng
November 21, 2014 5:52 am

Hotwhopper — a freshly warmed, thin slice of pseudo-meat between 2 layers of something really thick…

Nigel S
November 21, 2014 6:36 am

Something is rotten in the state of Victoria…

Walt D.
November 21, 2014 6:46 am

“Don’t get into a pissing contest with a skunk.”

richard
November 21, 2014 7:46 am

Thank goodness for drought resistant plants for when the going gets tough
Drought-resistant plants that can be left for the summer – Saga
http://www.saga.co.uk › Lifestyle › Gardening
There are lots of drought-tolerant Mediterranean plants capable of performing in sunny, well-drained positions. … In fact it’s the best butterfly plant you can grow
The Best Drought-Tolerant Perennials
http://www.bhg.com › Gardening › Flowers › Perennials
When summer heat kicks in, rely on these drought-tolerant plants to hold their own — and still look beautiful. … of bright scarlet-red flowers that butterflies and hummingbirds will love as much as you do. It’s a cinch to grow in any sunny spot.
Drought resistant plants and flowers on Pinterest | 28 Pins
http://www.pinterest.com/theglassgarden/drought-resistant-plants-and-flowers/
Cacti are known to be drought resistant plants, meaning they can survive with … very tolerant of poor, dry soils; resistant to lantana lacebugs; attracts butterflies; …
Drought Tolerant Plants for District 29 – Los Angeles County
dpw.lacounty.gov/wwd/web/Documents/DroughtTolerantPlants.pdf
and drought tolerant plants are established in the soil, they’ll … Thrives in full sun. … flowers above evergreen foliage. Butterflies enjoy this plant. Likes sun.

November 21, 2014 8:00 am

The internet is an incredible tool for sharing information and learning. When there is an exchange of information involving communication from humans, we can often learn a great deal about the personalities of individuals.
Are they friendly, respectful, open minded and sincere for instance or are they mean, hateful, hypocritical and closed minded.
Would we want somebody like that to be our friend, even if we disagreed with them on an important issue?
Is the manner in which they communicate professional? Do they keep their focus on relevant issues without making it personal and without making a personal attack on somebody(s) that they disagree with?
Are they humble or are they arrogant?
Reading thoughts from people on the internet can tell you a great deal about those people.

November 21, 2014 8:38 am

All WUWT does with these articles is feed validation of a moron and drive traffic to her site. Stop it, please.

Reply to  therealzeitgeist
November 21, 2014 9:30 am

Couldn’t agree more. WUWT is the most read science blog on the planet. This blog post does nothing positive but cause a HUGE hit spike at a worthless warmunist site.

November 21, 2014 10:10 am

There’s always a nit picker in the crowd and this time it’s me.
Petard is an obsolete word for a small bomb or grenade, and the traditional English construction is “hoist,” not hoisted, meaning blown up, by one’s own petard. Don’t ask me why. Just like “worst comes to worst” is good ‘English.
In hoist’s case, for example, Hamlet tells the queen (Act III. sc. 4, ll. 206-207): “For ’tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petar . . .” using an Elizabethan variant spelling.
Just to keep a step ahead of the warmists.

November 21, 2014 11:38 am

Although Carl Sagan’s science baloney alert warns against attacking the arguer instead of the argument

Exactly, what is actually the point of attacking this person then?
There are plenty of nuts on both sides of the climate debate and you will have a never ending job if you are going to attack each of them.
However, there are also some intelligent and well-informed people on each side of the debate. I think it would be more fruitful to comment on some of the latter’s work rather than contributing to more polarizing of the climate debate.
/Jan

Reply to  Jan Kjetil Andersen
November 21, 2014 12:34 pm

The point was not to showcase her insulting abuse, but to show how invalid her arguments were. If Dr. Singer had never replied, then I would have simply continued to ignore lies and insults as I have done in the past. But the opportunity presented itself to go beyond her ad homs and show her argument did not have a scientific leg to stand on. I agree there are intelligent people in both sides of the argument, and we need more sincere debate and critical thinking which was something Sou tries to suppress as made obvious by her post that triggered this reply.

November 21, 2014 3:21 pm

Ok. I’ve read through the comments, I’ve looked at Bob’s new blogsite…
and I’ve gotta say that you folks are wasting WAY TOO MUCH TIME on this woman.
She’s a pimple on a gnat’s ass in terms of traffic etc. I’m actually pissed that I devoted as much time as I did trying to ascertain what all the hub-bub was about.
She’s trying to prolong her 15mins of fame by playing to her audience. Has no bearing on science, nor on civil discourse. You’ll never change this in anyway…so really, move along and let it die. I think you’ve given the whole issue way more credence that it every deserved.
Just IMHO 😉

Bob in Castlemaine
November 21, 2014 10:39 pm

And Mount Beauty, Victoria is such a peaceful, picturesque, country town situated on the Kiewa River in N E Victoria. It is the jumping-off point for those travelling to the Bogong High Plains and the Falls Creek Ski Field. Initially Mount Beauty was built as the main base camp for the construction of the Kiewa Hydro Electric Scheme built by the State Electricity Commission of Victoria between 1938 and 1961. The scheme was initially planned to have four power stations but due to financial strictures along the way the final station, Bogong Power Station, wasn’t finished until 2009.

davidswuk
November 22, 2014 3:11 am

If or whenever you quote Shakespeare get it right eh!

JohnOh
November 22, 2014 4:24 am

“he does not have the male attachments to get out in the field and actually collect data.”
Like, a butterfly net?

Simon
November 22, 2014 11:46 am

I had no idea about this woman or her site. Thanks to the post here I have been and had a good look round. Wow, it is one interesting place. Seems to me the tone is merely a mirror of what is written here, which is what makes it so interesting. Reading the views about a topic from two opposite angles is thoroughly entertaining and enlightening. It is always good to get a balanced view of things and HotWhooper is certainly the counter (in views not size) to WUWT. I for one will be going back to see what she has to say. In my opinion anyone who dismisses her as some crazy old lady (anymore than AW is a crazy old man) hasn’t taken the time to read what she writes. Sure she is rude, direct, opinionated and at times wrong (Im guessing she would admit to all those things)… but hey, she is not alone in that.
Thanks again, my days just got brighter.

Reply to  Simon
November 22, 2014 3:53 pm

ROTFLMAO!

p@ Dolan
Reply to  jim Steele
November 22, 2014 4:19 pm

+1. The only practical response to such credulous nonsense. She provides reflexive argument and ad hom abuse only. IF, by chance, she says something that sounds worth thinking about, I have to point out that even a blind Sow finds an acorn now and then… But the trouble is, she accepts nothing but abject fawning, slavish devotion to the Green Religion, as expounded by Sou.
There isn’t a redeeming feature to her site, or her approaapproach to what she thinks is science.
Great post—thanks!

u.k.(us)
Reply to  jim Steele
November 22, 2014 6:50 pm

Why ?
If I just stumbled in today, I might say the same thing.

Chris
November 22, 2014 4:32 pm

After reading this entire thread, I’m left with the happy conclusion that a post about Ms. O’Bbrien was primarily a discussion of French farts and William Shakespeare. A topic evolution of a high order indeed. No woman is more deserving. This WUWT thread destined for the highlight reel.
Well played, lads and lasses! And a Happy Thanksgiving to all you Americans.

November 22, 2014 7:55 pm

That fine line between dishonesty and insanity is especially blurred over at “Hot Whopper.” –AGF