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Bolt writes:
Nick Cater notes that ABC warmists such as Dr Karl are getting snarky that the world’s atmosphere has not warmed these past 16 years.
A better response might be to apologise to the man who first warned years ago the climate wasn’t warming as the warmists predicted:
It was an Australian scientist, Bob Carter, who first drew attention to the flattening trend in an article in Britain’s The Telegraph in April 2006. Carter reviewed the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia for the years 1998 to 2005 and asked: “Does something not strike you as odd?”
Carter’s reward for identifying the lack of global warming was to have his professional reputation trashed. When Carter repeated his suggestion in the Australian press a year later, the CSIRO felt obliged to respond. Carter had presented “an unethical misrepresentation of the facts”, wrote Andrew Ash, acting director of the CSIRO’s Climate Adaptation Flagship. “All scientists welcome honest criticism since it helps to sharpen our analyses and improve our understanding, but scepticism based on half-truths and misrepresentation of facts is not helpful.”
ABC online’s The Drum refused to run his commentary. ABC Radio National’s science broadcaster Robyn Williams gave an open microphone to Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change communications director Bob Ward, who accused Carter of “desperately seeking bits of information to back up a theory”.
Political scientist Robert Manne said the likes of Carter, award-winning geologist Ian Plimer and former head of the National Climate Centre at the Bureau of Meteorology William Kininmonth “have to be resisted and indeed denounced” along with the “anti-political correctness and anti-collectivist ideologues, the right-wing media and the fossil fuel corporations”.
The vilifying of Bob Carter was simply unforgivable. Those who abused him demonstrated a fear of debate and of facts unbecoming to any discussion of science. That venom demonstrated the sad truth: global warming was instead a faith or ideology that could not be questioned.
Here is a note for Ward. You are losing traction, and you are quickly becoming irrelevant in the face of facts.
WoodForTrees.org – Paul Clark – Click the pic to view at source
My friends in the UK will lift a glass in your honor the day your position is eliminated, because you work against humanity, pushing your own vested interests, in what could be described as a classic textbook case of noble cause corruption.
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Well said.
“Andrew Bolt demands an apology from Bob Ward”
That’ll be the f’n day. Might I refer you to Willis’s essay titled “Noble Cause Corruption”.
Well said, Bob Ward and his ilk will deserve their place in the hall of shame
Seconded!!
Hear hear! I try not to let personal feelings colour my opinions in the climate debate…but Bob Ward and Michael Mann make that very difficult. Amusingly, his utter charmlessness makes the impact of anything he actually says in person extremely low. His instant access to the Guardian and their constant referrals to him have also contributed to my complete contempt of their entire environmental section. He will not be forgotten.
And this is very important. So many alarmists seem to count on the public’s ability to send outdated ideologies into blissful oblivion. But these people have done too much harm. Could sceptics have a sort of Scout’s Honor pledge; the “Don’t Forget What The Alarmists Said And Did” pledge?
As much one is deserved, don’t expect one. There is no honour in that group of misbegotten pissants.
Alan.
Thanks – my thoughts – pretty much; although I suggest you are too kindly . . . . . .
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But it’s the hottest year on record … http://bigstory.ap.org/article/079ed0ae0f5049019ea25d8e1897c81e/another-month-another-global-heat-record-broken
I just read that, and this stood out: “Some people, mostly non-scientists, have been claiming that the world has not warmed in 18 years, but “no one’s told the globe that,” Blunden said. She said NOAA records show no pause in warming.”
What datasets show no pause at all?
I’d love to find out. Don’t you love the non science quote? Well, either the data shows warming or not. It’s nothing to “claim” unless Seth B. Is now arguing that we can’t even rely on an objective temperature record? Isn’t that entirely unscientific?
GISS shows the pause, but no record.
Mostly the ones that haven’t been manipulated/corrected.
Oh…wait…
Give them another year or two, and the pause will have been erased, along with the MWP.
NOAA reported on september as record warmest september ever 2014.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/9
I wonder how long they plan on playing this game of upping the ante.
But the globe has not published a single peer-reviewed paper on CAGW. It’s just a blue balloon with baboons. The globe is in a state of self-denial. Someone should tell the globe to act responsibly, and not cheat honest warmists by hiding all that heat we know it has, in inaccessible and unmeasurable places, like heads of climate activists. All that hot air.
Well, those non-scientists at the Met Office in the Uk do only say it’s been 15 years, but they do confirem the pause in warming
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/recent-pause-in-warming
“July 2013 – Global mean surface temperatures rose rapidly from the 1970s, but have been relatively flat over the most recent 15 years to 2013.”
And from their 2014-18 decadal forecast, again
“Since the forecast is initialised from the current state of the climate system,
unlike the climate change projections used in the IPCC AR5, the forecast
reflects the slightly cooler conditions…”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pdf/1/8/decadal_forecast_2014-2018_jan2014.pdf
Oddly. Mr. Ward has not criticised this…
What datasets show no pause? That’s easy. Take any temperature dataset from say 1979 or earlier to today. Plot the data, and plot the linear trend. See? The trend just keeps going up all the way to today. Don’t laugh, there are people doing it, seriously.
And when their alarmist charts show a vertical line for temps up to 100C (they’re so confident they can get away with it), then I bet someone’s gonna demand an explanation.
Blunden is not wrong. Wrong implies the possibility of error.
Blunden is lying.
“…in what could be described as a classic textbook case of noble cause corruption.”
Anthony, I don’t understand how you could consider Bob Ward’s actions to protect his income and position is a noble cause.
/sarc
@ur momisugly mikerestin: why the “/sarc” tag?
As always, Gaia will have the last laugh.
This has to be satire: “anti-political correctness and anti-collectivist ideologues, the right-wing media and the fossil fuel corporations.” Please tell me he didn’t say this in sincerity. No one could be that prone to inadvertent self-parody.
I would love to be anti-politically correct. Sounds very refreshing. Not sure it can be done, though.
Robert Jeremy Grantham has sponsored way to many defamatory loons. Stern, comes to mind. He should either apologize or monitor their behavior better.
With respect to the graph above, for 1997 to 2014 I come up with an acceleration of -0.0001 C°/yr²
Holy Carp!…it’s once again worse than we thought! 😉
History will be kind to Bob Carter and it’ll be at the expense of people like Ward.
Pointman
Make that -0.001 C°/yr²
I hate it when that happens
-0.0001 or -0.001, what does it matter? It’s worse than we thought.
Its worst that we thought, warming has gone up 0.009 degrees in a few moments. /sarc
Damn it, warming has gone up 0.0009 degrees, it happens quite a lot, doesn’t it?
That’s better wouldn’t want to exaggerate.
Don’t know why you raise his profile to anything of meaning, he is an idiot with media friends, has never been worthy of anything but contempt.
Those pesky facts.
I was looking at a discussion about NASA’s 6 hottest months and rcina was kicking ass. I’d like to know who that is and shake his hand. He did the best job against Publicola (who I believe is the paid troll he accuses everyone else of being) I’ve seen. He had quick responses with peer reviewed science to back up his statements and used data from alarmist websites to back up his claims. A worthwhile read for anyone who takes the time to comment on errors in the alarmist media.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/10/13/nasa_earth_just_experienced_the_warmest_six_month_stretch_ever.html?utm_content=bufferac518&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&wp_login_redirect=0
Wow, that was a marathon. I thought it was pretty funny that rcina was constantly accused of not having peer reviewed science to back up his claims…yet he literally flooded his comments with reference back to published papers.
rip
I just spent a ton of time reading the exchange. I learned a great deal from the cogent, well-documented posts of “rcina” and found “Publicola” to be an immature adolescent, if not chronologically, then intellectually, emotionally and socially. He/she, along with a number of others in the thread, gives nearly absolute proof of the religious ardor with which they support their beliefs and reject anything that disagrees with them. These are, indeed, dangerous people.
Publicola has been at this seemingly nonstop spouting the same drivel for at least 5 years. I used to spar with him on the Huff Post but they started not posting my comments when they were too cogent and couldn’t be refuted so I gave up. The amount of hate I’ve received from these kinds of people for simply pointing out empirical facts is disturbing. I see myself as being completely insignificant compared to nature but to these people I am a threat to the survival of the planet.
I did see that rcina is Kenneth Richard who you will find posting around. I don’t recall him posting here but really appreciate his efforts.
Definitely a smackdown. It reveals two styles of argumentation. One side with facts and figures, the other side with appeal to authority, red herrings, ad hominem and so on. No substance. No beef.
Clearly both styles work but only for their usual audiences. The Keith Olbermann style of insulting everyone not only gets tiresome but cannot compete on the playing field of science.
Both appealed to authority, but RCINA appeals to specific papers and research authorities and asks some serious questions whereas Publicola appeals to an admininstrative body such as the National Academy of Sciences and demands repeatedly to know who is paying RCINA, not apparently realizing it doesn’t make the slightest difference — the questions are still on the table. RCINA doesn’t have the answers, the fact is nobody does (for sure), but that denies the claim “the science is settled” on which the left wing has rested its case.
I admired RCINA’s focus on the ball throughout the whole thing ignoring many squirrels (*)
* Squirrels — also known as red herrings — hard-to-resist distractors. Probably comes from the movie “Up!” where the dog, Doug, demonstrates easy distractability by squirrels (that you don’t see and are not likely to be on top of Ayun Tepui anyway).
Woops, Did I say revealing? I meant very revealing 😉
Politicola at one point tries to paint all sceptics with the PSI brush. Funny thing, recently there was an attempt to do the same at the BBC. The PSI game failed, not even hard sceptics like myself bought it, in fact hard sceptics fought hardest. It got absolutely no traction on real sceptic sites. Yet paid alarmist activists like Politicola seem to know way to much about them…
Most interesting.
A painfully long read, but fascinating.
Rcina clearly had Publicola’s measure. Publicola’s responses were both revealing and encouraging (from a sceptic perspective)
Publicola clearly is projecting with the repeated accusations of Rcina being a paid shill. Publicola is obviously being remunerated and cannot accept that Rcina is not. This reveals that alarmists actually believe in the big oil shill “narrative” they created and simply cannot comprehend that they are facing a genuine unpaid grass-roots movement of individuals. There were repeated demands for which sceptic site Rcina was getting source material, when it was clear that just like other individual sceptics, Rcina was accessing many. Politicola’s collectivist mindset was simply unable to cope with the idea of an individual being better versed in the science than someone paid and supported by a activist group.
And the encouraging bit? As the propaganda money dries up, players like Politicola will disappear but the unpaid sceptics will remain. There will be an “extinction explosion” as Big Wind subsidy farming flings millions into last ditch propaganda, but the writing is on the wall.
I hope you are right about the propaganda money drying up but I don’t see that happening. The general public mostly accepts what they are told without question so they see climate change in every weather anomaly and are incapable of seeing behind the reality the media presents for them. It is only the skeptic community speaking out that is preventing total mind control on the subject.
Rcina aka Kenneth Richard is a hero in my book for his skill in battle, The undecideds on the sidelines can see who has truth on their side when commentator’s like him stick to scientific facts and don’t lower themselves to Publicola style troll baiting.
rcina certainly does kick ass, or arse … a highly commendable effort too, considering the downright nasty at times responses that he/she does NOT rise too. If one took the attitude and demeanor of those either for or against the notion of CAGW as the deciding factor (it is certainly, at least, very revealing), it becomes obvious that the CAGW crowd repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot. A worthwhile read indeed.
Amusing to read that “Rationalwiki” considers CAGW to be a “snarl word”, yet obviously does not consider “denier” or “denialist” to be “snarl words”. One would have thought that any site wanting to appear impartial (which, presumably, is a goal that RationalWiki wants to aspire to) would actually endeavour to be, erm… impartial.
To continue: “The Earth doesn’t receive heat from the Sun.” (Gazmik) Who’da thunk that, eh?
With this sort of logic extant, “Rcina” does not have too much trouble being correct, but has his work cut out to be believed. What next? The Ice Ages were pre-emptive reactions due Mann-made global warming?
Oh! What a great read … that fool ‘popsicola’ or ‘publicola’ … whatever … was totally ‘pwned’ by rtcina’! What an embarrassing expose!! rtcina has a mind like a nuclear rat trap.
“Nick Cater notes that ABC warmists such as Dr Karl are getting snarky that the world’s atmosphere has not warmed these past 16 years”
Snarky- Irritable or short-tempered. In any situation this is the reaction of a human when things start going wrong and yet the thing they wish for is happening – static temps .
Definitely a case of global alarmism weirding .
Within climate science where are the criticisms of Bob Ward and his ilk? Just like with Al Gore, there is never any real criticism of the AGW fanatics!
Plenty of criticism about, just not reported in MSM
Perhaps more exposure of Grantham and his pecuniary interests would be more productive than trying to score off Ward.
Perhaps more exposure of Grantham’s pecuniary interests would have more effect than engagement with Ward
Or in Mann’s case: “Nobel Cause Corruption”
Global Pausing.
I’m not all that sure about the “noble cause” bit, to be perfectly honest.
I think Ward and his Organ Grjnder employer, as well as the other warmists mentioned here and elsewhere, are long beyond the stage of doing this for any higher cause. They are simply continuing to line their pockets, not only at the expense of the taxpayer but at the probable expense of the well-being of mankind.
“an unethical misrepresentation of the facts”… describes climate science perfectly.
I was an academic in Australia for some years… and did make an important discovery in Animal Science. Honestly Australia would be better off concentrating on Tourism and Mining. Since the 60’s when the REAL CSIRO produced awesome science, nothing of any significance has come out Australia (with few exceptions ie Prof Carter, Evans ect.)
“with few exceptions ie Prof Carter, Evans ect.”
You really should get that looked at, could be contagious, cancerous, etc.
@ur momisugly Lord Beaverbrook; Agreed, Ward is an idiot but it his having media friends that is the problem.