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Manfred
August 15, 2014 10:27 pm

Totally shocked by the hate campaign against Russia and totally shocked by the failure of the Netherlands to investigate the shoot down of MH17.
– The Netherlands were among the first to blame Russia and local rebels without bringing forward any verifiable evidence.
– The Netherlands have given the black box to the highly prejudicial and interested party of Great Britain.
– The Netherlands have not asked yet for air traffic control communication and radar data from Kiev.
– The Netherlands have not asked yet for communication with the Ukrainian fighter plane only about 3-5 km away from the shoot down.
– The Netherlands has not asked yet for US surveillance data and satellite photos, despite at least one US spy satellites was above the incident at shoot down time and AWACS airplanes in the air.
– The Netherlands have not protested against Kiev’s shelling of the crash site and even shelling of observers.
– The Netherlands have not protested against Kiev for causing a fire by shelling and destroying evidence such as fuselage parts.
– The Netherlands have not protested against Kiev’s decision to end the seize fire at the crash site, jeopardizing the remaining pieces of evidence.
Worse, there is now convincing evidence, that Ukrainian forces shot down the airplane.
In a BBC video, eye witnesses reported about the second (Ukrainian) plane shooting down MH17, and none of them reported to have seen a surface to air missile or even its exhaust fumes.

Further, there are reports from Robert Parry, an award winning investigative journalist with excellent connections into US intelligence that (quotes):
“…some U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded that the rebels and Russia were likely not at fault and that it appears Ukrainian government forces were to blame.
This judgment – at odds with what President Barack Obama and Secretary of State John Kerry have expressed publicly – is based largely on the absence of U.S. government evidence that Russia supplied the rebels with a Buk anti-aircraft missile system that would be needed to hit a civilian jetliner flying at 33,000 feet, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.”
“But I’m now told that U.S. intelligence analysts have largely dismissed the “defector” possibility and are concentrating on the scenario of a willful Ukrainian shoot-down of the plane, albeit possibly not knowing its actual identity.”
“The source added that the U.S. intelligence analysis does not implicate top Ukrainian officials, such as President Petro Poroshenko or Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, suggesting that the attack may have been the work of more extremist factions, possibly even one of the Ukrainian oligarchs who have taken an aggressive approach toward prosecuting the war against the ethnic Russian rebels in the east.”
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/03/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/
A few days earlier, 9 former US intelligence officers wrote an open letter on Robert Parry’s website, asking president Obama to release evidence:
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/29/obama-should-release-ukraine-evidence/
They stated and signed with their names, that secretary Kerry did not tell the truth in Syria (quote “We are hearing indirectly from some of our former colleagues that what Secretary Kerry is peddling does not square with the real intelligence.”), and reminded of the shoot down of KAL007 in 1983, when the US did not report the truth as well, and even altered the transcript of the communication to “paint Russia black”.
Earlier, US intelligence sources also leaked information about a BUK, supposed to have shot down the airplane (while now the focus may have shifted towards the Ukrainian fighter plane)
“What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.
The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.”
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/

August 15, 2014 10:36 pm

PaulH says:
August 15, 2014 at 4:22 pm
Here’s some more Global cooling “weather”
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/08/15/experts-cold-summer-leads-to-changing-leaves-in-august/
Leaves in Pittsburgh turning in August!!!
AlGore must be vacationing nearby.

August 15, 2014 10:38 pm

mods, pls assess Manfred for a (snip).
[It’s an Open Thread. ~mod.]

August 15, 2014 10:45 pm

sorry Lattitude,
you already noted the Pittsburgh article on the cold and leaves turning already.

milodonharlani
August 15, 2014 10:51 pm

Manfred says:
August 15, 2014 at 10:27 pm
Off-topic, but just for a reality check:
Conclusive evidence of SA-11 in “rebel” (Russian-occupied) Ukrainian territory.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/01/the-buk-that-could-an-open-source-odyssey.html
High improbability of a Frogfoot shooting down the airliner:
http://www.rferl.org/content/malaysian-probability-russia-claims-aircraft-su25/25466500.html

pat
August 15, 2014 11:01 pm

15 Aug: Heartland Inst: James M. Taylor: Poll Shows People Just Don’t Care about Global Warming
Americans don’t really care whether public officials attempt to address global warming, according to a new poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
In a survey of more than 1,000 Americans, only 21 percent say they follow the issue closely. A much greater number – 36 percent – say they pay little or no attention at all. The rest merely follow the issue “somewhat closely.”…
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2014/08/15/poll-shows-people-just-dont-care-about-global-warming

aGrimm
August 15, 2014 11:12 pm

Manfred: most everyone here has been dealing with the CAGW disinformation machinery for a long time. We don’t need your world politics disinformation machinery, thank you very much.

angech
August 15, 2014 11:15 pm

Antarctic hopefully over 16,000,000 sq K in 3 days.
Arctic also seems to be growing now instead of melting ? another early freeze

Tom
August 16, 2014 12:14 am

The leaves changing color in August is caused by the dry weather not the cool temps.

August 16, 2014 12:15 am

jonesingforozone says:
August 16, 2014 at 12:02 am
Note that Usoskin’s method does not rely upon the amplitude and the period of individual solar cycles to measure solar minima and maxima.
Because of the long residence time of 14C the activity has to be modeled on a longer time scale than individual cycles. This is, of course, a severe handicap, but the real problem is the same as with the hockey stick: appending the sunspot number observed on the Sun to the cosmic ray record. For this, it is important to have the correct sunspot number, and that is where his method fails. Now, there are many people who would want a Grand Maximum as support for their own agenda [e.g. ‘it is the sun, Stupid’] so we expect widespread ‘rearguard’ action trying to maintain the notion of a Grand Maximum. To wit, this very exchange.

Mr Green Genes
August 16, 2014 12:25 am

Manfred – you are Vladimir Putin and I claim my £5.

Mr Green Genes
August 16, 2014 12:32 am

“Now, there are many people who would want a Grand Maximum as support for their own agenda [e.g. ‘it is the sun, Stupid’] so we expect widespread ‘rearguard’ action trying to maintain the notion of a Grand Maximum. To wit, this very exchange.”
Or, to put it another way:-
Now, there are many people who would want to deny a Grand Maximum as support for their own agenda [e.g. ‘the sun has no effect on the climate, Stupid’] so we expect widespread ‘offensive’ action trying to deny the notion of a Grand Maximum. To wit, this very exchange.
PS I am not a solar physicist, I am a retired former railway engineer (who doesn’t write soft-core porn) who would like to understand more but who is somewhat put off by the eternal bickering. It’s fun, sure, but not very instructive.

mikeishere
August 16, 2014 12:33 am

luysii says: August 15, 2014 at 4:57 pm Here in New England, July and August so far have seemed unusually cool (to me).
Yeah, what happened to the “dog days of August” around here? I don’t have air conditioning and I’m accustomed to at least a couple week’s worth of nights hot enough to favor putting a fan in exhaust mode in the window of another room. This summer there’s been only 2 or 3 such nights warm enough for that. It makes it very difficult for me to believe the NCDC http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/us/19/03/tmin/3/08/1980-2014

richardscourtney
August 16, 2014 12:35 am

trafamadore:
At August 15, 2014 at 8:31 pm you write

Last night Keating finished off the last of his challenges. Noone got the 30K.

Anyone wanting to read each challenge and his response to it can access each of them from here by clicking on it.
My submission was titled “Null Hypothesis” and it, Keatings’s reply, and my response to that reply can be accessed by clicking on that title. My response to that reply says

Mr Keating:
My correct statements that I had provided the required response to your bet were – and remain – appropriate when submitting a response to you when you alone set the challenge, you alone would pay if you admitted your challenge is answered, and you alone have decided that you alone will agree if your challenge is met or not.
And your excuses for refusing to pay are pathetic.
Ice cores lack the temporal resolution to show what you claim.
Atmospheric CO2 concentration is not a climate behaviour.
Ice cores are proxy data not absolute measurements: you are comparing ‘chalk and cheese’.
The scientific method defines the scientific null hypothesis, not me.
You are denying the scientific method and promoting your superstitious belief in AGW as a method to excuse your failure to pay-up for losing your bet. But I expected that.
Richard

Richard

richardscourtney
August 16, 2014 12:37 am

Mods:
I made a post that has vanished: it has not been reported as being in moderation.
Please let me know if it is not in the ‘bin’ when you check.
Richard
[Rescued & posted. ~mod.]

Village Idiot
August 16, 2014 12:39 am

Manfred: “The first casualty of war is the truth”
Nice try, but there’s really only room for one conspiracy theory on this site 😉

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
August 16, 2014 12:55 am

richardscourtney on August 16, 2014 at 12:37 am:
I’ve had one waiting since 9:38 pm. As the song goes, “I think we’re alone now.”

William Astley
August 16, 2014 1:04 am

This is interesting. Note cyclic abrupt climate change events in the paleo record (for example the 8200 year before present cooling event) including the termination of interglacial periods, correlate with cyclic abrupt unexplained changes to the geomagnetic field intensity and orientation.
http://news.yahoo.com/earths-magnetic-field-weakening-10-times-faster-now-121247349.html
Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Weakening 10 Times Faster Now
“…Previously, researchers estimated the field was weakening about 5 percent per century, but the new data revealed the field is actually weakening at 5 percent per decade, or 10 times faster than thought. (WIlliam: 10 times faster than physically possible if the cause of the geomagnetic field changes is changes at the liquid core/solid core boundary) As such, rather than the full flip occurring in about 2,000 years, as was predicted, the new data suggest it could happen sooner. Floberghagen hopes that more data from Swarm will shed light on why the field is weakening faster now.”
William: Swarm is the name of three specialized satellites that were launched by the European space agency in November of 2013. The Swarm satellites are capable of measuring the entire geomagnetic field with laboratory accuracy.
What the first release of the Swarm data has confirmed is an astonishing: An extraordinarily rapid and large drop in the field intensity of the geomagnetic field.
The geomagnetic field intensity which had been dropping at 5% per century (the geomagnetic field intensity in the South Atlantic field anomaly has for example dropped 60% which is consistent with the start of a geomagnetic excursion), is now starting sometime around 1995 for unexplained reasons dropping at 5% per decade, ten times faster.
This is astonishing – a paradox – due to the counter emf principal and the physics of the deep earth. By Maxwell’s equations applied to a conductive liquid, a counter emf and a counter electric current is generated if there is a change at the liquid core/solid core boundary. Due to the counter emf principal deep core initiated changes to the geomagnetic field take thousands of years to make large changes to the geomagnetic field intensity and configuration.
In the last decade the geomagnetic specialists have found unequivocal proxy evidence of significant geomagnetic field changes that are ball park 10,000 times too fast and 100,000 times to large in magnitude to be caused by a core based mechanism. These abrupt significant changes to the geomagnetic field are called archaeomagnetic jerks (this is confusing terminology as an archaemagnetic ‘jerk’ geomagnetic field change is orders of magnitude too large and too fast to be caused by changes at the liquid core/solid core boundary which is the assumed cause of geomagnetic jerks. i.e. geomagnetic jerk and archaeomagnetic jerk must therefore have completely different causes.)
The hypothesis to explain paleo geomagnetic field record changes that are called archaeomagnetic jerks (the suffix archae is used as the phenomena was found by studying field changes recorded in fired tiles that were laid in chalets and palaces.) that are ball park 10,000 times to fast to be caused by a core based mechanism is that there is suddenly a plume of liquid from the core moving into the mantel.
The problem with the plume hypothesis is there is no mechanism to suddenly cause liquid core plumes moving into the mantel to explain the observed changes to the geomagnetic field in the last 10 years, using the plume hypothesis. The sudden observed change of the northern magnetic drift velocity and the American continents magnetic field intensity drop would require there to be liquid core plumes moving into the mantel in Greenland and throughout the North and South American continents, starting roughly 10 years ago.
http://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/BardPapers/responseCourtillotEPSL07.pdf
Response to Comment on “Are there connections between Earth’s magnetic field and climate?, Earth Planet. Sci. Lett., 253, 328–339, 2007” by Bard, E., and Delaygue, M., Earth Planet. Sci. Lett., in press, 2007
http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/home/files/Courtillot07EPSL.pdf
Are there connections between the Earth’s magnetic field and climate? Vincent Courtillot, Yves Gallet, Jean-Louis Le Mouël, Frédéric Fluteau, Agnès Genevey
http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/416/1/gubbinsd4.pdf
Is the geodynamo process intrinsically unstable?
What Caused Recent Acceleration of the North Magnetic Pole Drift?
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2010EO510001/pdf
The north magnetic pole (NMP) is the point at the Earth’s surface where the geomagnetic field is directed vertically downward. It drifts in time as a result of core convection, which sustains the Earth’s main magnetic field through the geodynamo process. During the 1990s the NMP drift speed suddenly increased from 15 kilometers per year at the start of the decade to 55 kilometers per year by the decade’s end. This acceleration was all the more surprising given that the NMP drift speed had remained less than 15 kilometers per year over the previous 150 years of observation.
http://www.paleomag.net/members/qingsongliu/References/EPSL/Thouveny%20excursions%20since%20400%20ka%20EPSL%202004.pdf
Three directional anomalies occurring during RPI lows chronologically correspond to the Laschamp excursion (42 kyr BP),the Blake event (115 to 122 kyr BP) and the Icelandic basin excursion (190 kyr BP). A fourth directional anomaly recorded at 290 kyr BP during another RPI low defines the ‘Portuguese margin excursion’. Four non-excursional RPI lows are recorded at the ages of the Jamaica/Pringle falls,Mamaku,Calabrian Ridge 1,and Levantine excursions. The RPI record is characterized by a periodicity of approx. 100 kyr, paleointensity lows often coinciding with the end of interglacial stages.

tonyb
Editor
August 16, 2014 1:19 am

Does anyone know where I can find historic tide heights for various locations around the world? I am especially interested in the arctic region for the period 1920 to 1950
Any papers relating to this subject would also be of interest
tonyb

August 16, 2014 1:26 am

richardscourtney says:
August 16, 2014 at 12:35 am
In MHO, you should have been paid. Others, too.

Jim South London
August 16, 2014 1:32 am

Heard the old expression politics is just showbiz for ugly people.
Environmentalism always attract the very worthy, young, old hippy. new age types
Well maybe environmentalism is politics for good looking people who cant act ,sing or dance.

August 16, 2014 1:35 am

I would like to see a rebuttal of my proposition of how to provide FTL communication by what I call “The Hedgehog Method”. I asked the following question at http://physics.stackexchange.com but it was set on hold being off topic because it could not be answered by parroting mainstream physics and has now been deleted. Here it goes:

Suppose we have a photon source at S capable to supply single photons and a detector able to catch and annihilate them. We place a focusing lens between source and detector so that the detector is at the focus; call that point A. We install a second lens beside the first one but some small distance d closer to the source and at a slightly other angle than the first. This creates a second focus, B, for each of the photons. Let’s place a screen between the two focus points to keep them from influencing each other.
A detector placed at B will see the photons with probability p(S→B) and has an advantage in catching photons because they arrive earlier at B than at A. Average probability p(S→A) will be reduced accordingly when the detector is present at B to
p(S→A) [ 1 – p(S→B) ] because that part consumed at B will not reach A.
Questions:
1. If we don’t use a detector but modulate the photon stream arriving at B by either catching photons or keep them alive, can we detect this modulation at A?
2. If so, wouldn’t the modulation appear instantaneously at distance
d = SA – SB from A and reach A in time d/c instead of AB/c?
Using say, a “beam splitter” (or even mirrors) and glass fibers instead of lenses we can adjust the detector very near the point where the modulation appears. Let, for instance, be
AB = 10 km and d = 10 mm, then we talk about
10⁶ c.

This would not even be ambitious to realize. There is room for speedup by some orders of magnitude.
The method is very simple. There are no slits, interferences nor entanglements involved. Nor have one to use QMagic to help understand it. Just let each photon move in both directions toward the communication partners before applying a modulation on the shorter optical path. It’s almost depressing if no one had the idea before and tested it.
My budget for investments into test-equipment is very limited but I would like to test the concept. I have a plan for an experiment measuring the signal speed. The setup I used failed so far because handling photons isn’t easy. There are usually too much of them so the detectors become saturated and reflect the remaining ones. This yield a lower signal to noise ratio, in my case less than 0.1% which my instruments couldn’t show.
Some comments on the method would be greatly appreciated. Especially, if someone knows why it will not work. Or if someone has a laboratory and some spare time…

Harry Passfield
August 16, 2014 1:37 am

TobiasN says:August 15, 2014 at 6:31 pm


two ideas
– how about a cartoon: a man on the street wearing a sandwich board which reads “I have been told the end is nigh””

Tobias, I think it would read better if it said: “The end is Nye”

August 16, 2014 1:45 am

Richard Courtney,
Thanks for the link to Keating’s fake offer. The comments are very interesting.
Keating routinely labels people he disagrees with as “deniers”. Therefore, his mind was already made up, and he never had any intention of paying anything.

DirkH
August 16, 2014 2:18 am

Manfred says:
August 15, 2014 at 10:27 pm
“In a BBC video, eye witnesses reported about the second (Ukrainian) plane shooting down MH17, and none of them reported to have seen a surface to air missile or even its exhaust fumes.”
Ah, that was quick; video already deleted.