The central climate fallacy is that the unknowns are known

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

What is science for? Its end and object is to stretch out a fumbling hand for the truth by a humble and eternally-unsatisfied attempt to constrain uncertainties.

The scientific method is hungry curiosity, followed by acute observation, followed by careful measurement, followed by the meticulous application of pre-existing theory to the results, followed by the detailed drafting and reviewed publication of a hypothesis, followed by other scientists’ attempts to overturn the hypothesis, which is either discarded or slowly accorded credence to the extent that it has survived the process of error elimination.

In the physical sciences, absolute proof – which mathematicians call demonstration – is very seldom available. In mathematics, the art that is the language and the queen of the sciences, demonstration is more often available, particularly in number theory, the branch of discrete mathematics that concerns itself chiefly with the integers. Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott, said Kronecker. Alles übrige ist Menschenwerk.

One of the reasons why the Thermageddonite superstition has been so successful until recently is that just about the only formal demonstration that nine-tenths of the population recall – and even then hazily – is that in the Euclidean and hyperbolic planes the square (or semicircle) on the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares (or semicircles) on the other two sides.

Now, the problem with the theorem of Pythagoras is that it is unquestionably true. For those who agree with the philosopher Schopenhauer that Euclid’s demonstration is “a triumph of perversity”, here is the admirably clear proof by dissection attributed to the fifth-century Hindu mathematican Aryabhatta.

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However one looks at the theorem, the wretched thing is objectively true. There are hundreds of distinct demonstrations of it. It is true whether or not you or I or anyone else wants it to be true or believes it to be true or knows it to be true. In the language of theology, it is intrinsice honestum. It is right in itself.

I submit that it is the theorem of Pythagoras that has allowed the Thermageddonites to succeed when, scientifically speaking, they should simply have been laughed at.

For the truth of that venerable theorem has misled generations who have been given some acquaintance with the sciences but little or none with the philosophy of science into believing that every scientific finding is definitive, unalterable, unchallengeable and unquestionable.

Yes, liberating greenhouse gases by combustion will cause some warming – all other things being equal. Yes, we are liberating greenhouse gases by combustion. These things have been established beyond reasonable doubt. But what has not been established is the crucial quantitative question how much warming we may cause.

That simple fact has been relentlessly and artfully concealed from the population, who have been sedulously deluded into believing that “the science is certain” and that anyone who questions how much warming we may cause is by implication also challenging the well-established experimental results showing that greenhouse gases cause warming.

It is worth briefly considering the how much question – or, as the climate scientists call it, the question of climate sensitivity.

In response to my recent posting pointing out that on the RSS satellite record there has been no global warming for 17 years 10 months, a commenter, one Stacey, asked:

“Please could you … demonstrate the actual climate sensitivity in respect of the last 30 years due the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere? My guess is that it’s zero. :-)”

“Stacey” is adopting a sound, scientific approach, beginning with that vital first step: curiosity. Socrates used to say that the first step on the road to knowledge was an awareness of one’s own ignorance. And what is curiosity, the wellspring of the sciences, if not an awareness of one’s own ignorance coupled with a determination to do something about it?

“Stacey” offers the hypothesis, that climate sensitivity to CO2 over the past 30 years has been zero, and asks whether she is right.

So let us examine the hypothesis. We begin with the observation that in the climate there appear to be quasi-periodicities of about 60 years in global temperature – roughly 30 years’ tendency to warm followed by 30 years’ tendency to cool – and that these cycles are tied to, and may be caused by, the great ocean oscillations, of which the most influential seems to be the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

Therefore, in order to cancel these naturally-occurring cycles, it is necessary either to take periods that are multiples of 60 years in length or to take periods that straddle a phase-transition from one 30-year phase of the PDO to another.

Usefully, the most recent phase-transition in the PDO was in about the year 2000, so that the past 30 years will have been about equally influenced first by a warming phase of the PDO and then by a cooling phase. That removes the most obvious potential natural distortion of our attempt to determine climate sensitivity from what has actually occurred.

Next, measurement. How much global warming was there in the past 30 years? For this, we shall take the mean of the global mean surface temperature anomalies on all five principal datasets – GISS, HadCRUT4, NCDC, RSS, and UAH.

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We now make the assumption, for the sake of beginning somewhere, that all of the global warming over this 30-year period was attributable to us.

As the CO2 record on the chart shows, CO2 concentration rose by 54 ppmv over the 30-year period. We shall assume that all that increase in concentration was anthropogenic. If so, official theory suggests it caused 0.78 Watts per square meter of radiative forcing.

We shall also assume that over the period CO2 represented 70% of all anthropogenic forcings, so that the total anthropogenic forcing was 1.11 Watts per square meter. This assumption is derived from the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report.

We shall further assume that none of the warming was committed but unrealized warming from before 1984, or that, if there was some, it was approximately balanced by uncommitted warming generated over the 30-year period but not yet apparent in the temperature record.

Now we can divide the measured temperature change of 0.48 Cº by the total anthropogenic forcing of 1.11 Watts per square meter to obtain the transient-sensitivity parameter λt where t = 30 years, which is 0.43 Cº per Watt per square meter.

However, the instantaneous, Planck or zero-feedback sensitivity parameter λ0, which is the mean of the first derivatives across all latitudes of the fundamental equation of radiative transfer at the characteristic-emission altitude, where incoming and outgoing radiative fluxes balance, is just 0.31 Cº per Watt per square meter (IPCC, 2007, p. 631 fn.).

Next, some handy equations, that you will not find in most textbooks, will help us to determine the system gain Gt, the closed-loop feedback gain gt, and the feedback-sum ft directly from the Planck sensitivity parameter λ0 and the transient-sensitivity parameter λt:

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The transient system gain Gt, which is the factor by which the direct warming from anthropogenic forcings is multiplied to allow for the action of feedbacks over the 30-year period, is simply 0.43 / 0.31, or 1.39, showing that short-acting feedbacks have increased the direct warming by almost two-fifths.

The loop gain gt, which is the product of the sum of the short-acting feedbacks and the Planck parameter, is 1 – 0.31/0.43, or 0.28.

Then the feedback sum ft, the sum of all short-acting feedbacks over the period, is 1/0.31 – 1/0.43, or 0.9 Watts per square meter per Celsius degree of warming over the period.

The IPCC’s current central estimate is that at equilibrium, when all short-acting and long-acting feedbacks have acted, the feedback sum is just 1.5 Watts per square meter per Cº (IPCC, 2013, table 9.43, red dot at top right). This is a substantial reduction from the 2.1 Watts per square meter per Cº (blue dot at top right) central estimate implicit in IPCC (2007).

From that current estimate of the equilibrium feedback-sum f, which is the sum of all feedbacks acting over the thousands of years till the climate has established a new equilibrium following perturbation by a forcing, the equilibrium system gain G may be determined, using the Bode system-gain equation:

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From the Bode equation, the equilibrium system gain G is [1 – 0.31(1.5)]–1, or 1.87. In short, the IPCC’s current implicit central estimate is that feedbacks increase the direct forcing-driven warming by seven-eighths.

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The central estimate of Charney sensitivity implicit in the IPCC’s current central estimate of the feedback sum is given by

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Thus, the IPCC’s current central estimate of Charney sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 concentration ought to be (5.35 ln 2)(0.31)(1.87), or 2.1 Cº. So the 3.2 Cº that is the current central estimate of the CMIP5 model ensemble is too big by at least half.

The eventual warming as a result of the anthropogenic forcings of the past 30 years will be (1.11)(0.31)(1.87) = 0.64 Cº, of which 0.48 Cº, or three-quarters, has already occurred, leaving just 0.16 Cº warming committed but unrealized over the period. Yet the IPCC says there is about four times that amount of committed but unrealized warming in the pipeline.

Now, all that is set out above is mainstream climate science. It is possible that we caused some of the warming of the past 30 years. It is possible, though by no means certain, that we caused at least half of it.

Why, then, can we not be more precise in deriving a climate-sensitivity estimate from the temperature change and CO2 concentration change we have seen over the past 20 years?

The answer – though you will very seldom hear it from the Church of Thermageddon – is that there are far too many unknowns. The biggest outright lie in the IPCC’s 2013, 2007, and 2001 reports is the notion that we can determine with any confidence the fraction of global warming over recent decades that is attributable to us.

In 2001 the IPCC said it was 66% confident we had caused most of the warming since 1950; in 2001, 90% confident; in 2013, 95-99% confident. All of these confidence values are direct lies. For there is no dataset from whose values any such supposed confidence levels can be determined by any recognizable statistical process.

It is a measure of the contempt in which today’s scientific elite holds the rest of the population that the IPCC, as the elite’s soi-disant spokesman on climate change, could have made and persisted in and doubled down upon these particular lies. It knows it can get away with them, for scientists have abdicated, forfeiting their high priesthood to far-left politicians and profiteering environmental protection rackets.

We do not know enough about the climate to say in what direction, let alone by how much, the climate would be changing in the absence of any anthropogenic influence. We do not know the forcing from CO2 or any other greenhouse gas to a sufficient precision. The official value of the CO2 forcing was cut by a massive 15% in 2001.

We do not know the value of the Planck parameter to any great precision. We thought we did: then the actual mean surface temperature of the Moon was measured, and was found to be 40% adrift from the official value that had been determined on the basis of the lunar sensitivity parameter, and had been confidently published on official government websites.

We do not know what fraction of manmade warming is attributable to each of the greenhouse gases. We do not know the magnitude or even the sign of the forcing from our emissions of soot to the atmosphere.

We certainly do not know the values of the individual temperature feedbacks to anything like the narrow error bars falsely claimed by the IPCC. We do not even know the sign of the cloud feedback, and the IPCC has recently been forced to reduce the value of that feedback drastically.

Then there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.

We cannot predict the behavior of the oceans – indeed, we cannot even measure changes in their heat content with sufficient resolution to give a meaningful result.

We cannot predict el Niño and la Niña events. Look how many enviro-left news media predicted a record-busting event this year. They predicted it because they wanted it.

They needed it, desperately, to bring the Great Pause to an end and reduce the humiliation that the less dishonest among them are beginning to feel now that the laymen like me at whom they have viciously snapped and sneered for so long are – so far, at any rate – closer to the mark than they and their expensive but useless models.

For it would take only a very small reduction in each of the assumed values on the basis of which the IPCC makes its predictions to reach a climate sensitivity far less than the models’ currently-claimed central estimate of 3.2 Cº per CO2 doubling. And there are powerful theoretical reasons why some of those values must have been greatly overstated, though there is no space to consider them here.

My own best estimate, for what little it is worth, is that a doubling of CO2 concentration would warm the world by about 1 Cº, if that. The IPCC is heading – albeit far too slowly – towards the same answer. It has cut the CO2 forcing; it has accepted that the next-biggest anthropogenic forcing, from methane, has been vastly overestimated; it has slashed the feedback-sum and consequently the equilibrium system gain; it has all but halved its near-term predictions of global warming.

However, the honest answer to Stacey’s question about what climate sensitivity is indicated by the temperature record of the past 30 years is, “We do not know”.

But you will never hear that honesty on the lips of the Thermageddonites, as they furtively and profitably cement in place the last of the thousand interlinked supranational bureaucracies that are the silent sinews of what – if they get their way in Paris in December next year – will be an all-powerful world government founded upon the greatest lie ever told, the lie of certainty in a cloud of unknowing, elected by none, loved by few, feared by all, and answerable only to itself.

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August 3, 2014 3:00 pm

I want to reiterate Lord Monckton’s final point that all this lucrative deceit is in pursuit of world government in the sense of political coordination, not some sort of world legislature. Invisible for the most part since we do not tend to get invited to the relevant meetings. I do love that Lord Monckton does tend to show up and occasionally sky dive in.
The reason education in the common law oriented Anglosphere countries all over the world is now geared to what I call (based on the Russian term behind it) the obuchenie mindset is so that the facts will no longer be allowed to disrupt the desired belief system. Constructivism in math and science that ignited the math and reading wars was never about how to teach the subjects as we were told. It is because an analytical mind full of facts is hard to get to act on the basis of these cultivated false beliefs.
UNESCO simply shorthands all this now as media education so that it can usefully pitch how to control what gets disseminated now as knowledge. Unless we begin to recognize where the actual playing field is–education and its focus on altering values, attitudes and beliefs in order to guide future perception and behavior–the Statists will win.
And then we all lose.

milodonharlani
August 3, 2014 3:03 pm

Paul says:
August 3, 2014 at 2:57 pm
There is no actual evidence for an equilibrium climate sensitivity higher than about one degree C for a doubling of CO2 from 280 to 560 ppm. The only way to imagine higher than that is to make assumptions about positive feedbacks which not only are not in evidence but which the preponderance of (IMO, all) available evidence is to the contrary.
Linking to SS doesn’t cut it. Make your own argument if you can, relying upon the lies there if you think they have some validity.

mpainter
August 3, 2014 3:06 pm

Paul,
Look at the sidebars at the right where the various climate blogs are listed. Note that Skeptical Science is in a category by itself: unreliable. Now pause just a minute and reflect on the sort of impression that you make here by citing Skeptical Science as a reference. Now I will drive my point home: if you do not wish to appear foolish here, then do not cite Skeptical Science.

H Grouse
August 3, 2014 3:06 pm

Monckton of Brenchley says:
August 3, 2014 at 12:36 pm
“But it is not known whether all other things are equal,”

This is an effective disclaimer, which also applies to anything further that you have written with regard to sensitivity. For all you know, it could still be 3.5 degrees C for a doubling all other things being equal. …
Being non-committal is safe right?

mellyrn
August 3, 2014 3:07 pm

My own best estimate, for what little it is worth, is that a doubling of CO2 concentration would warm the world by about 1 Cº, if that.
If I dump my cup of coffee into the ocean, that will raise sea level. It is, after all, adding fluid to a fluid body. It certainly wouldn’t lower sea level. And it would not be a meaningful increase.
I don’t dispute CO2’s IR absorption. But my curiosity makes me wonder, if a doubling (400 ppm to 800 ppm?) would warm the world by even 0.5C, why would doubling it more than three times over (400 ppm to 4400 ppm) chill the world by 10C — from the 25C of Earth-normal conditions to the 15C (if not less) of the Andean-Saharan ice age?

August 3, 2014 3:11 pm

Very nice analysis. A continual problem skeptics have is explaining why we are skeptics. That includes explaining that yes, we do believe CO2 is a greenhouse gas and yes, the world has warmed. This essay explains very succinctly why skeptics are skeptical.

ferd berple
August 3, 2014 3:14 pm

analysis of past climates) suggest climate sensitivity in the range of 2-5 C:
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“suggests” is different than “shows”. Paleo data shows that warming causes CO2.

Dr. Deanster
August 3, 2014 3:29 pm

It would seem to me, that the Good Lord has made a mistake in his choice of time frames for data. For the Demonstration, he chose a “30 year” period, which represents only half of the PDO cycle. A more accurate assessment would have been to start his data at 1943-2003 …. that would be a full downward swing and upward swing of the PDO cycle.
While, IMO, that would have been a more accurate assessment of the temperature flux, it by no means is the truth, given that the data have been manipulated to the point of unrecognizable. But that being as it may be ….. and excluding any influence of the sun … just the PDO …. and using Woodfortrees as the metic, we see a rise in temperature from 1943-2003 of 0.35C.
Simple Math …. 0.35/60 * 100 years/century gives a wopping 0.58C per century. Yes, I know, I don’t quantify it to any CO2 ppm, because in the face of all feedbacks, that is irrelevant. But, if we are to assume that CO2 is the culprit, that is it’s maximum effect. …. 🙂

August 3, 2014 3:30 pm

Climate prediction on the Great Pause needs to take several thousand years of climate
evolution into account. To conclude that from an up-movement of temps over 150
years only that further global warming will occur is outright ridiculous. There are 5 major
climate drivers, demonstrated for over 20,000 years, and those drivers demand the
continuation of the Great Pause. This is not speculation but the result of solid calculations.

H Grouse
August 3, 2014 3:30 pm

Monckton forgot to mention that there is another case of the Pythagorean theorem
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/1/f/51fb8faba1f42a03afa323aa13f61b94.png
Eculid’s 5th postulate has THREE cases.

milodonharlani
August 3, 2014 3:31 pm

mellyrn says:
August 3, 2014 at 3:07 pm
The Ordovician glaciation occurred when the sun was about 4% weaker than now is the excuse CACA spewers like to use, along with maybe there was a spike down in CO2 which proxies aren’t fine enough to record.
When that glaciation happened, CO2 concentration was in the thousands of ppm. It presumably fell as a result of colder temperatures, but remained higher than now, then rebounded, only to drop later with the spread of green plants onto the land.
The subsequent glaciation in the Carboniferous did apparently produce CO2 levels close to those of our present glaciation. Major Icehouse worlds appear to occur at about a 150 million year frequency. Shaviv, Svensmark & other cosmoclimatologists attribute this to the solar system’s passage through spiral arms of the galaxy.
Clearly, there is little correlation between CO2 changes (in the 100s to 1000s of ppm at least) & climate change, except that a colder world leads to lower levels & warmer to higher, so causation is reversed from that claimed by CACA spewers. There might however be a slight positive feedback effect from increased CO2 in a warmer world, & the reverse.
BTW, 25 C is not normal, but near the usual maximum on our homeostatic planet, at least for the past 540 million years. The present 14-15 C remains decidedly on the cold side, however. Very roughly, under Icehouse conditions, the range is about 10 to 17 C & under Hothouse, about 18 to 25 C. The range is often shown as 12 to 22 C, with occasional excursions above & below.

James Bull
August 3, 2014 3:34 pm

I saw a great T shirt the other day which had the following on it
“Science seeks to answer the unknown…. Today’s experiment is poking things with a stick”
Someone has certainly poked the warmistas with the stick of truth as they do seem to be getting angrier.
James Bull

son of mulder
August 3, 2014 3:40 pm

From http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy-1/sustainable-development-1097/21st-conference-of-the-parties-on/article/france-confirmed-as-host-of-2015
“France is already totally galvanized to ensure that a binding, fair, global climate agreement is reached in Paris in 2015, in order to limit global warming to 2ºC.”
If this is the answer, what is the question?
If you need clues why not read this drivel http://www.euractiv.com/climate-change/french-socialists-want-climate-c-news-531463

Monckton of Brenchley
August 3, 2014 3:42 pm

In answer to those who say climate sensitivity is 2-5 K, there is a growing body of literature – including a couple of papers by me – that find climate sensitivity to be in the region of 1 K.
And in answer to those who say the math in the head posting is over-simplified, it is based on an irreducible simple climate model that has the overriding merit of clarity. Its
predictions have so far been far closer to the truth than those of the general-circulation models.

Monckton of Brenchley
August 3, 2014 3:49 pm

The slayers seem to be out in farce again. Mr Verney asks what proof exists that greenhouse gases cause warming. I refer him to any elementary textbook of heat transfer.

August 3, 2014 3:59 pm

I see Moncton has finally decided to notice the blindingly obvious 60 year temperature cycle. It is about time that he and rest of the climate science community began to take notice of the equally obvious 970 year cycle which the 60 year cycle modulates.Any calculation of CS using the last 100 – 150 years of data that does not also include the underlying temperature trends relating to this natural quasi-millennial cycle in solar activity is really a waste of time. For estimates of the timing and amplitude of the coming cooling based on the 60 and 970+/- quasi-periodicities and using the 10Be and neutron count data as the most useful measure of solar activity. see:
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2014/07/climate-forecasting-methods-and-cooling.html
Using these cycles there is no compelling empirical reason to assign any of the 20th century warming to human activity.
In 2013 in AR5 – WG1 the IPCC actually recognizes this.It says (Section 9.7.3.3)
“The assessed literature suggests that the range of climate sensitivities and transient responses covered by CMIP3/5 cannot be narrowed significantly by constraining the models with observations of the mean climate and variability, consistent with the difficulty of constraining the cloud feedbacks from observations ”
In plain English, this means that the IPCC contributors have no idea what the climate sensitivity is. Therefore, there is no credible basis for the WG 2 and 3 reports, and the Government policy makers have no empirical scientific basis for the entire UNFCCC process and their economically destructive climate and energy policies.
The whole idea of a climate sensitivity to CO2 (i.e., that we could dial up a chosen temperature by setting CO2 levels at some calculated level) is simply bizarre because the response of the temperature to Anthropogenic CO2 is simply not a constant, and will vary depending, as it does, on the state of the system as a whole at the time of the CO2 introduction.
Of course the IPCC SPM -an entirely political document – written as propaganda for the policies of Western governments – conveniently pays no attention to its own WG1 report in this matter.

Konrad
August 3, 2014 4:14 pm

Steve in SC says:
August 3, 2014 at 1:04 pm
“Then there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.”
That, sir, is the proverbial elephant in the proverbial room. Heat transfer has routinely been neglected by alarmist and skeptic alike.
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Steve, I would further this by saying it is a very, very old elephant.
When Callendar tried to revive the global warming scare in 1938, Sir George Simpson of the Royal Meteorological society pointed out –
“..but he would like to mention a few points which Mr. Callendar might wish to reconsider. In the first place he thought it was not sufficiently realised by non-meteorologists who came for the first time to help the Society in its study, that it was impossible to solve the problem of the temperature distribution in the atmosphere by working out the radiation. The atmosphere was not in a state of radiative equilibrium, and it also received heat by transfer from one part to another. In the second place, one had to remember that the temperature distribution in the atmosphere was determined almost entirely by the movement of the air up and down. This forced the atmosphere into a temperature distribution which was quite out of balance with the radiation. One could not, therefore, calculate the effect of changing any one factor in the atmosphere..”
It was true in 1938, it is still true today.

Hoser
August 3, 2014 4:23 pm

LMoB,
I was going to say don’t forget the unknown knowns, that is the things we ‘know’ that just aren’t so. But I think you make clear they are lying deliberately and therefore my point is moot.

August 3, 2014 4:36 pm

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Konrad
August 3, 2014 5:10 pm

Monckton of Brenchley says:
August 3, 2014 at 3:42 pm
“And in answer to those who say the math in the head posting is over-simplified, it is based on an irreducible simple climate model that has the overriding merit of clarity. Its predictions have so far been far closer to the truth than those of the general-circulation models”
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Viscount Monckton,
the problem is not that the math is over-simplified, but rather it is based on an utterly incorrect assumption. You have made the same mistake as the climastrologists in assuming that the surface of the planet is a “near blackbody” and would have an average surface temperature of around -18C in the absence of atmospheric cooling and DWLWIR. This is not a minor error, it is an error so critical that it invalidates not just AGW but the entire radiative GHE hypothesis. In this situation “all other things being equal” does not even rate as a fig leaf.
71% of our planet is covered in liquid water. Liquid water is not a “near blackbody” it is instead a “selective surface”. Selective surfaces typically have absorptivity and emissivity <1. Selective surfaces may have unequal absorptivity and emissivity. Selective surfaces may have transparency to various frequencies and a slow speed of internal non-radiative transport. Liquid water meets all of these conditions.
To demonstrate why understanding surface properties is critical to climate, examining the case of a simple selective surface will illustrate the point. Some polished aluminium alloys can have emissivity near 0.02 and absorptivity near 0.2. A polished aluminium planet without atmosphere exposed to around 240 w/m2 would have an equilibrium temperature of around 180C. Adding a strongly radiative atmosphere like ours would cool such a planet's surface. You can check this by placing a sheet of polished aluminium outdoors on insulating foam and measure its average temperature over diurnal cycle as our radiative atmosphere cools it. It will get nowhere close to 180C Tmax, let alone Tav.
Viscount Monckton, I urge you to examine the assumptions underlying your math. At the very foundation you will find the -18C assumption for the surface in absence of atmosphere and DWLWIR. My empirical experiments indicate that this may be in error by as much as 98C for the oceans. This may seem an incredible error, but you would be unwise to dismiss it without having replicated my empirical experiments or those from Texas A&M in 1965. Remember the blackbody calcs for the lunar regolith? Empirical results from Diviner mission showed those also to be in error by around 90C.
“All other things being equal” can never cover an error this large for 71% of our planets surface.
PS. Just because I am disproving the entire radiative GHE hypothesis, does not mean I can be safely accused of being a “slayer” who doesn't understand radiative physics. I have given the build instructions for the working empirical version of the two shell radiative model many times. It works fine with matt black plates separated by vacuum. I do not claim error with basic radiative physics, just its misapplication to atmospheric modelling. If you can challenge my claims without the “slayer” ad hom, please do so. But a challenge without empirical evidence that water is a “near blackbody” not a “selective surface” is no challenge at all 😉

NikFromNYC
August 3, 2014 5:11 pm

Paul, assuming you are a reasonable player in a real debate, consider that it took string theory physicist Lubos Motl a single post to reveal a pattern of deception and bias on the web site you link to, including this criticism of its high sensitivity presentation:
“Climate sensitivity is low: That’s a typical headline of some of my talks. Cook says that it’s 3 °C because of many reasons. The fact is that the direct calculation gives 1.2 °C and all balanced analyses of the Earth’s history, including very old geological data, suggest that this is about right, i.e. the net feedbacks are small, with an unknown sign. All papers or claims going to 3 °C or higher are fabricated and cherry-pick something to “hype” this number that almost certainly can’t reach 3 °C. The promoted positive feedbacks may be viewed as a quantification of the hype, exaggeration, and fraud: 70 percent of the IPCC figure for the climate sensitivity is fabricated because a higher value is favored by the “big picture” of the political process.”
http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/03/john-cook-skeptical-science.html
Another hundred skeptical arguments being called “myths” are skewered in that post. Though many are superficial it is the overall pattern of the serious rebuttals that makes your post hit a nerve here. Many of us became skeptics in part due to the unfair abuse we were subjected to on that site in a way that raised red flags that reason was not invited there whatsoever.
Evangelical “climate justice” Christian Cook pretends to reasonably survey the climate sensitivity literature while actually presenting a purely biased one, leaving out any sense of doubt on hundreds of pages of his site, indeed as Monckton here suggests reflects climate “science” in general. Cook omits papers that in fact simply measure sensitivity and find it to be low such as this recent paper:
http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0217979214500957
“The anthropogenic CO2 additional warming extrapolated in 2100 is found lower than 0.1°C in the absence of feedbacks.”
Cook only offers presents two options: models or the distant past, omitting the recent past, as a way to estimate sensitivity! Yet models have not been updated to match the recent past and in the distant past temperature leads CO2 spikes instead of follows them so sensitivity to it based on cause and effect is a false calculation when all it may be is a positive feedback rather than a driver.

phlogiston
August 3, 2014 5:17 pm

Lord Brenchley is right to point to the asinine arrogance of the warmists in considering the climate unknowns to be known. The often repeated chorus of “we cant find any other explanation for apparent climate warming so CO2 it must be” will hang like an intellectual albatross round their necks for all time. Its rather like glancing out of one’s kitchen window briefly then concluding “no elephants in my back yard – so elephants do not exist”.
So why and how does/can climate change if not by CO2 alone? How can I even entertain such a blasphemous thought? My own pet theory and I’m sticking to it – for now – is chaotic intermittence in deep ocean vertical mixing over log-log fractal timescales.
You can talk all you like about CO2. Or soot or methane or cows farting or CFCs. Or about the sun or magnetic fields. You can look for astrophysical cycles, clouds, radiation upward or downward or thermal bean-counting in the atmosphere.This is all fine and is your first amendment right in the USA an in some other countries also.
However if you want to understand climate and why the climate changes by itself without the need of external forcing, the primary place to look is in the ocean, not just the surface but all the way down to the bottom. The two key facts are (a) the ocean consists of two distinct circulation systems, the surface and deep circulations and (b) the deep water is much colder than the upper water. This strong temperature stratification means that any deep vertical mixing always moves heat down. What if the amount and rate of deep mixing varied globally on certain timescales? This would be reflected in climatic warming or cooling, relating to decreases or increases respectively in vertical mixing. Bear in mind the amount of heat in the oceans totally dwarfs that involved in all atmospheric procesess. The ocean is the dog, the atmosphere is the tail. Deep ocean mixing is a single parameter that has the power to regulate climate globally all by itself. And finally, it is known from experimental nonlinear-chaotic fliud mixing/circulation systems that turbulent mixing can be intermittent. Why should global deep ocean mixing be different? Where else need one look for the etiology of climate change?

Matthew R Marler
August 3, 2014 5:18 pm

Paul, your skeptical science link says this right at the top: Net positive feedback is confirmed by many different lines of evidence.
That statement is literally true, but the full case of the matter is that net positive feedback is also “disconfirmed by many different lines of evidence”. Whether the net feedback is + or – is one of the major known unknowns, and the topic of review articles in the major journals, such as Science and Nature. Biases like that are among the reasons that SkS is disparaged by Anthony Watt.
Here is a better link for the topic of climate sensitivity. http://www.climatedialogue.org/
Note well that the article by Nic Lewis shows how the higher estimates depend on Bayesian techniques that assign unrealistically (i.e. totally non-supportable) high amounts of prior probability to the region 4-8, 4-12, etc; and on other unrealistic assumptions. The more focused on actual data the methods are, the lower are the resultant estimates. The statistician F. J. Samaniego has shown in his book “A comparison of frequentist and Bayesian methods of estimation” that Bayesian estimates are better than frequentist estimates only if the prior distribution is sufficiently accurate. The uniform priors with 50% – 75% of probability above 4C are indefensible and do not meet his criterion.
There is at present no good evidence that the climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 concentration is likely above 2C, which SkS puts as its lower bound.

Steve Oregon
August 3, 2014 5:25 pm

CMoB said, “The answer – though you will very seldom hear it from the Church of Thermageddon – is that there are far too many unknowns. The biggest outright lie in the IPCC’s 2013, 2007, and 2001 reports is the notion that we can determine with any confidence the fraction of global warming over recent decades that is attributable to us.”
Hey I’m just a Mr. Nobody layperson but I say it is not possible for “them” to determine such a thing.
With only 0.117% of the greenhouse effect due to atmospheric CO2 from human activity it is preposterous to claim they can measure any human warming impact at all let alone what fraction of supposed warming is attributable to us.
You are right CMoB. It is the biggest outright lie.
The rest of the biggest lie is this:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WaterVapor/water_vapor2.php
“Warming due to carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuel combustion evaporates even more water, increasing the thickness of the blanket, which leads to more heating, which leads to more water vapor… The loop is called the water vapor feedback, and it has the potential to be a serious problem.”
They can’t possibly know that increased fossil fuel use caused the warming to begin with when only 0.117% of the greenhouse effect is due to atmospheric CO2 from human activity.
NASA goes on to say,
“Sherwood explains. “If you have enough of this positive feedback, then of course the whole climate system would be unstable.” Today’s climate, he quickly adds, is not unstable. “But as you pile on more and more of this sort of thing, you get closer and closer to an unstable situation. So if the climate is unstable, small differences in how strong these feedbacks are can become relatively important, more important than you might think.”
I can read that as an admission that the warming and instability is yet to occur. That a piling up can someday become more important.
The EPA seems to concur:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html
“Concentrations of ozone and water vapor are spatially and temporally variable due to their short atmospheric lifetimes. A vertically and horizontally averaged water vapor concentration is about 5,000 ppm. Globally averaged water vapor concentration is difficult to measure precisely because it varies from one place to another and from one season to the next. This precludes a precise determination of changes in water vapor since pre-industrial time. However, a warmer atmosphere will likely contain more water vapor than at present.”
“A warming atmosphere will?”
IMO NASA and the EPA are hypothesizing about a future scenario.
Which begs the question. How has so much been so confidently attributed to that which has is yet to occur?
Man-made CO2 is only 3.225% of atmospheric CO2 96.775% is natural.
Total human greenhouse gas contributions add up to about 0.28% of the greenhouse effect.
0.117% of the greenhouse effect is due to atmospheric CO2 from human activity.
So there could not have been, or at least scientists cannot know that there has been any initial warming do solely to the increased fossil fuel use.
AGW is not possible because CO2 emissions did not cause warming or the evaporation of more water.
http://www.climate4you.com/GreenhouseGasses.htm

mellyrn
August 3, 2014 5:36 pm

The slayers seem to be out in farce again. Mr Verney asks what proof exists that greenhouse gases cause warming. I refer him to any elementary textbook of heat transfer.
In other words, you referred him to more theory, which allows you to skirt the real-world absence of warming following CO2 increases. Usually, we check our theories against the real world.
Before you get snarky again on me, though, consider this analogy: someone who understands gravity superbly well, but who has never — YET, a very important “yet” — encountered the concept of buoyancy. He is going to insist, based on magnificent, excellent and true theory, that my grandson’s balloon will fall down once it is released.
Buoyancy is, of course, a gravitational effect. It’s just that my hypothetical gravity expert has not — YET — reasoned his way to the buoyancy principle. If he clings to what he already knows, and refuses to look at balloons that fly up and away from careless little boys, he never will.
I say your theory is perfectly fine (for what my little opinion is worth). I also see perfectly well, thank you, that (apologies to Inigo Montoya) it does not seem to do what you think it does.
It doesn’t mean you’re wrong. It means there is something a damned sight more interesting going on here. CO2 “should” warm an atmosphere. Venus says it doesn’t, the Ordovician ice age says it doesn’t, the last 17.833 years say it doesn’t. Gravity (at first blush) says the balloon “should” fall down; the balloon floating away into the clouds says, go figure.
Where is your curiosity, Sv Monckton?