The central climate fallacy is that the unknowns are known

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

What is science for? Its end and object is to stretch out a fumbling hand for the truth by a humble and eternally-unsatisfied attempt to constrain uncertainties.

The scientific method is hungry curiosity, followed by acute observation, followed by careful measurement, followed by the meticulous application of pre-existing theory to the results, followed by the detailed drafting and reviewed publication of a hypothesis, followed by other scientists’ attempts to overturn the hypothesis, which is either discarded or slowly accorded credence to the extent that it has survived the process of error elimination.

In the physical sciences, absolute proof – which mathematicians call demonstration – is very seldom available. In mathematics, the art that is the language and the queen of the sciences, demonstration is more often available, particularly in number theory, the branch of discrete mathematics that concerns itself chiefly with the integers. Die ganze Zahl schuf der liebe Gott, said Kronecker. Alles übrige ist Menschenwerk.

One of the reasons why the Thermageddonite superstition has been so successful until recently is that just about the only formal demonstration that nine-tenths of the population recall – and even then hazily – is that in the Euclidean and hyperbolic planes the square (or semicircle) on the hypotenuse of a right triangle is equal to the sum of the squares (or semicircles) on the other two sides.

Now, the problem with the theorem of Pythagoras is that it is unquestionably true. For those who agree with the philosopher Schopenhauer that Euclid’s demonstration is “a triumph of perversity”, here is the admirably clear proof by dissection attributed to the fifth-century Hindu mathematican Aryabhatta.

clip_image002

However one looks at the theorem, the wretched thing is objectively true. There are hundreds of distinct demonstrations of it. It is true whether or not you or I or anyone else wants it to be true or believes it to be true or knows it to be true. In the language of theology, it is intrinsice honestum. It is right in itself.

I submit that it is the theorem of Pythagoras that has allowed the Thermageddonites to succeed when, scientifically speaking, they should simply have been laughed at.

For the truth of that venerable theorem has misled generations who have been given some acquaintance with the sciences but little or none with the philosophy of science into believing that every scientific finding is definitive, unalterable, unchallengeable and unquestionable.

Yes, liberating greenhouse gases by combustion will cause some warming – all other things being equal. Yes, we are liberating greenhouse gases by combustion. These things have been established beyond reasonable doubt. But what has not been established is the crucial quantitative question how much warming we may cause.

That simple fact has been relentlessly and artfully concealed from the population, who have been sedulously deluded into believing that “the science is certain” and that anyone who questions how much warming we may cause is by implication also challenging the well-established experimental results showing that greenhouse gases cause warming.

It is worth briefly considering the how much question – or, as the climate scientists call it, the question of climate sensitivity.

In response to my recent posting pointing out that on the RSS satellite record there has been no global warming for 17 years 10 months, a commenter, one Stacey, asked:

“Please could you … demonstrate the actual climate sensitivity in respect of the last 30 years due the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere? My guess is that it’s zero. :-)”

“Stacey” is adopting a sound, scientific approach, beginning with that vital first step: curiosity. Socrates used to say that the first step on the road to knowledge was an awareness of one’s own ignorance. And what is curiosity, the wellspring of the sciences, if not an awareness of one’s own ignorance coupled with a determination to do something about it?

“Stacey” offers the hypothesis, that climate sensitivity to CO2 over the past 30 years has been zero, and asks whether she is right.

So let us examine the hypothesis. We begin with the observation that in the climate there appear to be quasi-periodicities of about 60 years in global temperature – roughly 30 years’ tendency to warm followed by 30 years’ tendency to cool – and that these cycles are tied to, and may be caused by, the great ocean oscillations, of which the most influential seems to be the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

Therefore, in order to cancel these naturally-occurring cycles, it is necessary either to take periods that are multiples of 60 years in length or to take periods that straddle a phase-transition from one 30-year phase of the PDO to another.

Usefully, the most recent phase-transition in the PDO was in about the year 2000, so that the past 30 years will have been about equally influenced first by a warming phase of the PDO and then by a cooling phase. That removes the most obvious potential natural distortion of our attempt to determine climate sensitivity from what has actually occurred.

Next, measurement. How much global warming was there in the past 30 years? For this, we shall take the mean of the global mean surface temperature anomalies on all five principal datasets – GISS, HadCRUT4, NCDC, RSS, and UAH.

clip_image004

We now make the assumption, for the sake of beginning somewhere, that all of the global warming over this 30-year period was attributable to us.

As the CO2 record on the chart shows, CO2 concentration rose by 54 ppmv over the 30-year period. We shall assume that all that increase in concentration was anthropogenic. If so, official theory suggests it caused 0.78 Watts per square meter of radiative forcing.

We shall also assume that over the period CO2 represented 70% of all anthropogenic forcings, so that the total anthropogenic forcing was 1.11 Watts per square meter. This assumption is derived from the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report.

We shall further assume that none of the warming was committed but unrealized warming from before 1984, or that, if there was some, it was approximately balanced by uncommitted warming generated over the 30-year period but not yet apparent in the temperature record.

Now we can divide the measured temperature change of 0.48 Cº by the total anthropogenic forcing of 1.11 Watts per square meter to obtain the transient-sensitivity parameter λt where t = 30 years, which is 0.43 Cº per Watt per square meter.

However, the instantaneous, Planck or zero-feedback sensitivity parameter λ0, which is the mean of the first derivatives across all latitudes of the fundamental equation of radiative transfer at the characteristic-emission altitude, where incoming and outgoing radiative fluxes balance, is just 0.31 Cº per Watt per square meter (IPCC, 2007, p. 631 fn.).

Next, some handy equations, that you will not find in most textbooks, will help us to determine the system gain Gt, the closed-loop feedback gain gt, and the feedback-sum ft directly from the Planck sensitivity parameter λ0 and the transient-sensitivity parameter λt:

clip_image006

The transient system gain Gt, which is the factor by which the direct warming from anthropogenic forcings is multiplied to allow for the action of feedbacks over the 30-year period, is simply 0.43 / 0.31, or 1.39, showing that short-acting feedbacks have increased the direct warming by almost two-fifths.

The loop gain gt, which is the product of the sum of the short-acting feedbacks and the Planck parameter, is 1 – 0.31/0.43, or 0.28.

Then the feedback sum ft, the sum of all short-acting feedbacks over the period, is 1/0.31 – 1/0.43, or 0.9 Watts per square meter per Celsius degree of warming over the period.

The IPCC’s current central estimate is that at equilibrium, when all short-acting and long-acting feedbacks have acted, the feedback sum is just 1.5 Watts per square meter per Cº (IPCC, 2013, table 9.43, red dot at top right). This is a substantial reduction from the 2.1 Watts per square meter per Cº (blue dot at top right) central estimate implicit in IPCC (2007).

From that current estimate of the equilibrium feedback-sum f, which is the sum of all feedbacks acting over the thousands of years till the climate has established a new equilibrium following perturbation by a forcing, the equilibrium system gain G may be determined, using the Bode system-gain equation:

clip_image008

From the Bode equation, the equilibrium system gain G is [1 – 0.31(1.5)]–1, or 1.87. In short, the IPCC’s current implicit central estimate is that feedbacks increase the direct forcing-driven warming by seven-eighths.

clip_image010

The central estimate of Charney sensitivity implicit in the IPCC’s current central estimate of the feedback sum is given by

clip_image012

Thus, the IPCC’s current central estimate of Charney sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 concentration ought to be (5.35 ln 2)(0.31)(1.87), or 2.1 Cº. So the 3.2 Cº that is the current central estimate of the CMIP5 model ensemble is too big by at least half.

The eventual warming as a result of the anthropogenic forcings of the past 30 years will be (1.11)(0.31)(1.87) = 0.64 Cº, of which 0.48 Cº, or three-quarters, has already occurred, leaving just 0.16 Cº warming committed but unrealized over the period. Yet the IPCC says there is about four times that amount of committed but unrealized warming in the pipeline.

Now, all that is set out above is mainstream climate science. It is possible that we caused some of the warming of the past 30 years. It is possible, though by no means certain, that we caused at least half of it.

Why, then, can we not be more precise in deriving a climate-sensitivity estimate from the temperature change and CO2 concentration change we have seen over the past 20 years?

The answer – though you will very seldom hear it from the Church of Thermageddon – is that there are far too many unknowns. The biggest outright lie in the IPCC’s 2013, 2007, and 2001 reports is the notion that we can determine with any confidence the fraction of global warming over recent decades that is attributable to us.

In 2001 the IPCC said it was 66% confident we had caused most of the warming since 1950; in 2001, 90% confident; in 2013, 95-99% confident. All of these confidence values are direct lies. For there is no dataset from whose values any such supposed confidence levels can be determined by any recognizable statistical process.

It is a measure of the contempt in which today’s scientific elite holds the rest of the population that the IPCC, as the elite’s soi-disant spokesman on climate change, could have made and persisted in and doubled down upon these particular lies. It knows it can get away with them, for scientists have abdicated, forfeiting their high priesthood to far-left politicians and profiteering environmental protection rackets.

We do not know enough about the climate to say in what direction, let alone by how much, the climate would be changing in the absence of any anthropogenic influence. We do not know the forcing from CO2 or any other greenhouse gas to a sufficient precision. The official value of the CO2 forcing was cut by a massive 15% in 2001.

We do not know the value of the Planck parameter to any great precision. We thought we did: then the actual mean surface temperature of the Moon was measured, and was found to be 40% adrift from the official value that had been determined on the basis of the lunar sensitivity parameter, and had been confidently published on official government websites.

We do not know what fraction of manmade warming is attributable to each of the greenhouse gases. We do not know the magnitude or even the sign of the forcing from our emissions of soot to the atmosphere.

We certainly do not know the values of the individual temperature feedbacks to anything like the narrow error bars falsely claimed by the IPCC. We do not even know the sign of the cloud feedback, and the IPCC has recently been forced to reduce the value of that feedback drastically.

Then there are the major non-radiative transports: evaporation and convection up, advection across, and precipitation and subsidence down.

We cannot predict the behavior of the oceans – indeed, we cannot even measure changes in their heat content with sufficient resolution to give a meaningful result.

We cannot predict el Niño and la Niña events. Look how many enviro-left news media predicted a record-busting event this year. They predicted it because they wanted it.

They needed it, desperately, to bring the Great Pause to an end and reduce the humiliation that the less dishonest among them are beginning to feel now that the laymen like me at whom they have viciously snapped and sneered for so long are – so far, at any rate – closer to the mark than they and their expensive but useless models.

For it would take only a very small reduction in each of the assumed values on the basis of which the IPCC makes its predictions to reach a climate sensitivity far less than the models’ currently-claimed central estimate of 3.2 Cº per CO2 doubling. And there are powerful theoretical reasons why some of those values must have been greatly overstated, though there is no space to consider them here.

My own best estimate, for what little it is worth, is that a doubling of CO2 concentration would warm the world by about 1 Cº, if that. The IPCC is heading – albeit far too slowly – towards the same answer. It has cut the CO2 forcing; it has accepted that the next-biggest anthropogenic forcing, from methane, has been vastly overestimated; it has slashed the feedback-sum and consequently the equilibrium system gain; it has all but halved its near-term predictions of global warming.

However, the honest answer to Stacey’s question about what climate sensitivity is indicated by the temperature record of the past 30 years is, “We do not know”.

But you will never hear that honesty on the lips of the Thermageddonites, as they furtively and profitably cement in place the last of the thousand interlinked supranational bureaucracies that are the silent sinews of what – if they get their way in Paris in December next year – will be an all-powerful world government founded upon the greatest lie ever told, the lie of certainty in a cloud of unknowing, elected by none, loved by few, feared by all, and answerable only to itself.

0 0 votes
Article Rating

Discover more from Watts Up With That?

Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.

263 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Monckton of Brenchley
August 8, 2014 12:43 am

Mr Painter remains confused. Though the reduction in cloud cover from 1983-1998 did indeed allow more sunlight to reach the surface, and probably had a greater warming effect than CO2, it remains impossible to rule out some warming contribution from CO2 (see my paper on this very point in the World Federation of Scientists’ Annual Proceedings for 2011). A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is His delight (Proverbs, XI:1). We do no favors to science by trying to push the truth too hard in one direction or another. Disentangling the relative contributions of natural and anthropogenic warming remains difficult and we should not try to pretend otherwise.

August 8, 2014 1:30 am

Dr. Strangelove says, August 7, 2014 at 7:58 pm:
I do see it. And my apologies for my rushed misinterpretation of what you were trying to say. Agreed. Put a glass (or a thermos) of 5 degree water on a table inside a room at 25 degrees and eventually the water will have reached 25 degrees also. From heat transfer from the air to the water. It will be mostly through convection > conduction, but I don’t see why radiation shouldn’t also make a (small) contribution.
However, I don’t see how this is relevant to the real-world ocean surface/atmosphere situation, where globally, the ocean surface is always warmer than the air/atmosphere above. DWLWIR from the atmosphere can not directly heat the surface, meaning increase its ‘internal energy’, raising its temperature. Because it isn’t ‘heat’.

mpainter
August 8, 2014 7:26 am

Proverbs?
You cite Proverbs?
You are right, I am confused- Proverbs on WUWT! And what shall I see next- Isaiah?
Oh I shall be leaving now, I have done my best but I have trumped by- Proverbs!

Samuel C Cogar
August 9, 2014 5:24 am

Will this experiment prove or disprove the “greenhouse” gas theory?
Items required for conducting experiment.
1. A “point” source of high-intensity visible light
2. A 1 inch diameter reflecting mirror.
3. A 10 gal (2,310 in3) “round” (spherical) glass bottle with 1” diameter neck portal.
4. 10 gal of a “clear” no-reflective liquid.
5. A precision Lux meter.
6. 5,000 ¼“ diameter spheres w/highly reflective surfaces and same density as above liquid.
Conduct experiment
1. Fill glass bottle with liquid and darken room.
2. Turn on light source and use mirror to direct “light beam” at center of glass bottle.
Make measurements using Lux meter
1. First measure and record the intensity of the reflected “light beam” at the location it strikes the glass bottle.
2. Next measure and record the intensity of the reflected “light beam” at the exterior surface of the glass bottle, directly opposite of where it strikes the glass bottle.
3.Next measure and record the intensity of any “scattering” (re-reflected) of the reflected “light beam” at various surface areas around the circumference of the glass bottle
Modify experiment parameters
1. Add 4,000 of the ¼“ diameter spheres to the liquid in the glass bottle. (4,000 simulates 10% of 40,000 ppm of atmospheric H2O vapor (humidity)
2. Stir the liquid to disperse the ¼“ diameter spheres throughout the liquid.
3. Repeat measurement instructions #2 and #3 above.
Modify experiment parameters again
1. Add 40 more of the ¼“ diameter spheres to the liquid in the glass bottle. (40 simulates 10% of current 400 ppm of atmospheric CO2.
2. Repeat measurement instructions #2 and #3 above.
Modify experiment parameters again
1. Add 40 more of the ¼“ diameter spheres to the liquid in the glass bottle. (adding 40 simulates a doubling of the current 400 ppm of atmospheric CO2 to a total 800 ppm.
2. Repeat measurement instructions #2 and #3 above.
Experiment completed
1. Analyze the recorded results of all Lux meter measurements, for each of the three (3) different parameters with specific emphasis on the intensity of the “scattering” effect of the re-reflected light that “exits” the glass bottle.
2. Analyze and compare the three (3) different results obtained in #1.
3. Write summery report.

Konrad
August 9, 2014 9:04 pm

Dr. Strangelove says:
August 7, 2014 at 7:36 pm
“ You are the one making an extraordinary claim: LWIR cannot heat water. The burden of proof is on your side.”
————————————–
Actually my claim and supporting experiments are not extraordinary. Process engineers, particularly in food processing are well aware of the problem. They would love sterile non-contact IR heating elements for liquids, but it just doesn’t work for materials free to evaporatively cool.
The experiment you offered tells you nothing. You don’t know if conduction or radiation heated the liquid. You would need to do as I have done, and use two identical water samples with identical air flow over the surface (remember – average wind speed over the oceans Beaufort scale 4) with the only difference between samples being the strength of LWIR incident on the surface.
No supporter of the idea of a net radiative GHE has ever been able to produce evidence of such an experiment.

Konrad
August 9, 2014 9:42 pm

Trick says:
August 7, 2014 at 5:19 pm
———————————–
The sadness continues…
“Concur but need the data & reasoned analysis thereof too. I have already provided these in the source material 8:05pm, no hand waving, none, nada, zilch just experiments & data plotted w/cooling lines with reasoned analysis – you know: the scientific method. Black & white pix of the experimental apparatus (basically a lab glass flask of tap water, thermometer held in center of water by paper clips, and aluminum foil) will have to do but this is not a lesson in color.”
Let me guess, nothing at all to do with incident LWIR on the surface of water that is free to evaporatively cool? Go on, scan the photo and post it. You have nothing do you? You’ve had three years and you still can’t counter my experiments 😉
“Or you can use Dr. Strangelove’s 12:31am experiment & being the ace experimentalist, be the 1st to publish results right here on WUWT to double check “demonstrating incident LWIR….slowing the cooling rate of liquid water that is free to evaporatively cool.” You now have TWO recent credible experimental answers to your original challenge! Impressive site.”
Dr. Strangelove’s attempt is no use. It doesn’t answer the relevant question. And I bet your Bohren goose chase will be al-foil over IR opaque glass just like your sorry efforts…
And this? –
“Nature’s answer for global climate windiness is beyond calm kitchen table [that pathetic old smear?] lab test & and your data taking equipment is not precise enough to capture the effects of ocean waves radiating to themselves and spray and clouds so there is lotsa’ scatter but a signal. Have to go out on the ocean in situ on a research vessel with modern properly calibrated precision equipment for that. I posted the reported reduced results 1:02pm above from data taken day & night over about a month in all natural wind conditions near New Zealand. You will simply have to contact the researchers for “Build diagrams and photos” of their work. I linked their contact info. Descriptions & photos of the equipment Marine-Atmospheric Emitted Radiance Interferometer (M-AERI) are published for you.”
– you’re just trying to run back to Minnett’s tripe. Why bother? If they could effectively demonstrate incident LWIR slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool they would have done it in the lab first. They never did. Worse they couldn’t even get close to the extent of the supposed effect in their “results” from actual oceans. Minnett did not demonstrate that incident LWIR can raise the temperatures of our oceans 33C, nor have you or any other AGW believer.
So trick, for the 51st time I challenge. Show a repeatable empirical experiment that others can replicate demonstrating incident LWIR at the water/air interface heating or slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool. You still can’t do it can you?

Trick
August 9, 2014 10:32 pm

Konrad 9:42pm: “Show a repeatable empirical experiment that others can replicate demonstrating incident LWIR at the water/air interface heating or slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool. You still can’t do it can you? “
Yes. I have. More frantic hand waving by Konrad, offering only bluff & bombast in response. No science.
The experiments are self evident. One is performed, analyzed, pictured, results documented Konrad. You have now been shown at least twice empirically & replicable that “incident LWIR at the water/air interface …slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool.” Even tougher for you, a third one performed out in the wild in all wind conditions.
This challenge of Konrad’s was a simple one to document, already accomplished almost 30 years ago and Konrad did not even know. Konrad offers no defense. None, zilch, nada. Nature’s results stand; again, are self evident.

Trick
August 9, 2014 10:41 pm

The problem for Konrad remains, boils down to his experiments being purported to prove either satellites measuring Tmean = 255K or thermometers measuring Tmean = 288K are wrong. To date, Konrad’s efforts have not achieved even a modicum of generally accepted success in that endeavor despite his experiments. Nothing published by Konrad. No cites. The satellites and thermometer field results stand in the face of Konrad’s experiments. The root cause is Konrad’s inaccurate interpretation of his experiments to suit Konrad’s view.

Konrad
August 10, 2014 12:33 am

Trick says:
August 9, 2014 at 10:32 pm
—————————————
Go on Trick, post the photos of the experiment you claim demonstrates incident LWIR at the water/air interface heating or slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool. What’s the hold up? You obviously have a computer. What is so hard?
You have nothing do you?

Konrad
August 10, 2014 12:56 am

Trick says:
August 9, 2014 at 10:41 pm
————————————-
Ooooh, Two posts!
“The problem for Konrad remains, boils down to his experiments being purported to prove either satellites measuring Tmean = 255K or thermometers measuring Tmean = 288K are wrong.”
What are you blithering about?! Both these figures are close to correct. Nothing I am empirically demonstrating contradicts this! A planet with a selective surface and a highly radiative atmosphere, that is absorbing around 240 w/m2 will appear to be radiating at 255K. What is so hard to understand?
“To date, Konrad’s efforts have not achieved even a modicum of generally accepted success in that endeavor despite his experiments.”
Actually more than I could ever imagined a single individual could ever have achieved! Go Internet!
“Nothing published by Konrad. No cites.”
Funny thing, someone else cut and pasted my work and got it peer reviewed and into an engineering journal. You fail again. (although on this one I admit to being slightly confused…)
“The satellites and thermometer field results stand in the face of Konrad’s experiments.”
Nope, no conflict there. Running back to environmental readings because you have no actual repeatable lab experiments was it Trick?
“The root cause is Konrad’s inaccurate interpretation of his experiments to suit Konrad’s view”
And back to the Alinsky method of isolate and vilify…sigh. “Konrad’s view” wins engineering awards. Your view, in contrast, just leaves a permanent record on the interwebs utterly discrediting every acolyte of the Professional Left from now until the heat death of the universe 😉
Come on Trick, pony up! Where is your repeatable lab experiment showing incident LWIR slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool. Links to photos not “Kindal” if you would be so good. You wouldn’t want to be rated with the Viscount Monckton “but, but, but the maths says it must but I have no empirical evidence” crowd now would you? (yes, yes I know, I’m doing “group and vilify”, but Christopher sooooooo deserves this after his “slayer” comments 😉 )

Trick
August 10, 2014 8:24 am

Konrad 10:32pm, 12:56am: “Funny thing, someone else cut and pasted my work and got it peer reviewed and into an engineering journal.”
Link of the funny thing? Citation? Nothing really? Zilch reasoned science, only bluster, bombast. The bulk of generally accepted science stands opposed to Konrad fallacious interpretation of experiment.
“…post the photos of the experiment you claim demonstrates incident LWIR at the water/air interface…..slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool….Where is your repeatable lab experiment showing incident LWIR slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool.”
Done, posted. Konrad has a computer & library access, let me post pictures for 52nd time see right here for tests & photos of experimental set-up 1st published almost 30 years ago demonstrates incident LWIR at the water/air interface slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/03/the-central-climate-fallacy-is-that-the-unknowns-are-known/#comment-1703419
Do this test, take a picture, post the results:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/03/the-central-climate-fallacy-is-that-the-unknowns-are-known/#comment-1703504
Contact these researchers, get photos their equipment & in situ ocean pictures & latest research on the subject:
http://www.emetsoc.org/fileadmin/ems/dokumente/awards/young_scientist_travel_awards/poster_esasummerschool2012_wong.pdf
See brightness temperature emissivity experiment 9-3, repeat it, published 1987, very easy:
http://fas.org/irp/imint/docs/rst/Sect9/Sect9_2.html
See Henderson et. al. 2003, Konda et. al. 1994, Niclòs et. al. 2005 all demonstrate incident LWIR at the water/air interface slowing the cooling rate of ocean water that is free to evaporatively cool:
http://public.lanl.gov/jt/Papers/polemiss.pdf
http://www.terrapub.co.jp/journals/JO/pdf/5001/50010017.pdf
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/223747223_In_situ_angular_measurements_of_thermal_infrared_sea_surface_emissivityValidation_of_models
After that you will see the 255K and 288K Tmeans are affirmed in generally accepted physics, oh wait:
“Both these figures (optically thin atm. 255K, optically thick atm. 288K) are close to correct. Nothing I am empirically demonstrating contradicts this!”
Good! Konrad finally sees the light & correctly affirms all the testing. This demonstrates success in reading the above; Konrad finally gains the generally accepted reasoned physics knowledge and concurs the results show incident LWIR at the water/air interface…..slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool and the oceans are a spectral selective surface with emissivity around 0.96 depending slightly on weather conditions due none of Konrad tests “contradict this”.
No backsliding Konrad. Stick to the Tmean = 255K thin atm. at/from satellite orbit, and Tmean = 288K surface in optically thick (tau) Earth atmosphere from thermometry demonstration are close to correct as you write. You will go far.
Bookmark this post’ link Konrad (I will), and hit this button right here…

Konrad
August 11, 2014 7:08 pm

Trick says:
August 10, 2014 at 8:24 am
————————————-
“Link of the funny thing? Citation? Nothing really? Zilch reasoned science, only bluster, bombast.”
Where has accusing me of lying ever got you?
“The bulk of generally accepted science stands opposed to Konrad fallacious interpretation of experiment.”
The bulk of what? Cliamastrology? Process engineers don’t try to heat water with LWIR. Only climastrologists believe that works, no one else.
“Done, posted. Konrad has a computer & library access, let me post pictures for 52nd time …”
The only thing you have achieved for the 52nd time is to utterly fail to produce an empirical experiment demonstrating incident LWIR on the surface of liquid water that is free to evaporatively cool heating it for others to replicate. You say there is a photo somewhere in a library? Scan it and post it using TinyPic then. How hard is that? Again you have nothing do you? Posting links to texts that have to be paid for instead of direct links to images speaks to motive.
“Contact these researchers, get photos their equipment & in situ ocean pictures & latest research on the subject:”
Sigh. Minnetts tripe again? Have you nothing else?
“See Henderson et. al. 2003, Konda et. al. 1994, Niclòs et. al. 2005 all demonstrate incident LWIR at the water/air interface slowing the cooling rate of ocean water that is free to evaporatively cool:”
Ooh, maybe. Links to more papers! This could be good…but no, each and every one of this deals with apparent not EFFECTIVE IR emissivity of water. Nothing there about empirical tests of the effective emissivity of water with background IR and Hohlrumn/cavity effect minimised. Nothing about the effect of LWIR on the cooling rate of water free to evaporatively cool. Nothing at all. And how many times? Those measurements are for apparent emissivity settings for IR measurement of water in situ. They cannot be used in radiative balance equations.
K – “Both these figures are close to correct. Nothing I am empirically demonstrating contradicts this!”
T – “Good! Konrad finally sees the light & correctly affirms all the testing. This demonstrates success in reading the above; Konrad finally gains the generally accepted reasoned physics knowledge and concurs the results show incident LWIR at the water/air interface…..slowing the cooling rate of water that is free to evaporatively cool and the oceans are a spectral selective surface with emissivity around 0.96 depending slightly on weather conditions due none of Konrad tests “contradict this”.”
Pathetic, truly pathetic. First, you never get to condescend to me. You claimed I couldn’t drive convective circulation in a fluid column by removing energy from the top of the column. Your physics is woeful.
Secondly about that “finally”…. to try that you would need to show where on the web I have ever claimed that a planet absorbing around 240 w/m2 would be radiating anywhere other than 255K if in near radiative balance. That would be something else you can’t do, because I have never claimed otherwise.
“No backsliding Konrad. Stick to the Tmean = 255K thin atm. at/from satellite orbit, and Tmean = 288K surface in optically thick (tau) Earth atmosphere from thermometry demonstration are close to correct as you write. You will go far.”
Oh please. A planet absorbing ~240 w/m2 will have an apparent radiative temperature viewed from space of ~255K. This is news? To know anything about near surface temperatures you would need to know surface and atmospheric properties, and my empirical experiments prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that climastrologists got the oceans wrong. Not a little bit wrong. Totally and utterly wrong.
“you will go far”??! I am currently sorting a few mil of mechanical engineering and design for the Samsung corporation and you are not. How much further would you like me to go 😉

August 11, 2014 9:07 pm

Lord Moncton’s assumptions are in the way of setting boundaries, as in “let’s take the worst case, for example”. Even given all such extremes, the numbers crank out unalarming results. And the assumptions are highly leveraged; dial them back only a little and the purported outcomes shrink rapidly to negligible levels.
As to the recent cover story for the Pause, that somehow natural variance has freakishly hidden the AGW effect, it is logically necessarily true that if it can do that once, without warning, it can do it whenever it wants, and the sign can go either way. In other words, it has the potential to dominate just lurking around, and is thus in charge of whatever occurs at all times.

1 9 10 11