Pacific Leaders Worried About 'Climate Gravy Train' – Criticise Aussie PM Tony Abbott's Apostacy

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From Australia Network News: Pacific presidents speak out against Australia’s stand on climate change

Leaders of small Pacific nations have spoken out against Tony Abbott’s efforts to organise a global coalition against Obama’s climate push.

The comments from the presidents of Kiribati and Marshall Islands came as Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott met US President Barrack Obama for formal talks in Washington. 

The leaders suggested Australia’s climate stance under Tony Abbott risked further isolating Australia from the Pacific.

Kiribati’s President Anote Tong says climate change is an issue of survival for Pacific Island states, not just economics.

“We’re not talking about the growth GDP, we’re not talking about what it means in terms of profit and losses of the large corporations, we’re talking about our survival,” he told Radio Australia’s Pacific Beat

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-13/pacific-presidents/5521478


President Anote Tong has received strong criticism in recent years for the rise of authoritarianism under his rule, such as the recent forced closure of an independent newspaper critical of his government.

http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2012/05/pmc-slams-kiribati-ministry-for-muzzling-independent-paper/

Politicians who crush dissent, free speech and criticism of government mistakes are rarely associated with a healthy domestic economy, so President Tong may be counting on future climate wealth transfers from Western countries to help prop up his regime.

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philincalifornia
June 17, 2014 8:48 pm

adanac says:
June 17, 2014 at 7:12 pm
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Pigs will fly before they’ll come floating down Canada’s rivers you silly person.
I doubt that you will be missed.

June 17, 2014 8:59 pm

adanac says:
June 17, 2014 at 7:12 pm
Well? Tony Abbott has been speaking with Prime Minister Harper. Seems they are birds of a feather.

The usual Canadian Pipeline protestors.
http://www.ezralevant.com/the-usual-pipeline-protest-suspects/
Bizarre indeed!
Most of the same protestors seem to turn up at all Canadian protests — regardless of cause.

June 17, 2014 9:03 pm

For those who want a greater understanding of pipeline protest in Canada:

Why do pipelines being constructed in the USA not attract the same protestors. Who is financing the protestors with their iPhones, clothes made from oil products and transportation from BMW?

Chris
June 17, 2014 9:06 pm

John says:
June 17, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Push until Obama falls – right out of office. The Australian Prime Minister has far more common sense than Obama will ever have.
Sure, and that’s why Abbott’s popularity has plummeted to a 35% approval rating (and a 56% dissatisfaction rating) after just 9 months in office. The Labor party, which was crushed in the September elections, is already polling ahead of the Coalition by 53-47%. That has to be a record for how quickly voters have become dissatisfied with a political leader.

June 17, 2014 9:24 pm

if you are over 50 years of age, you could try Malaysia My Second Home scheme. The international schools here are excellent.
The local politics need not concern you.

June 17, 2014 9:25 pm

Climate and pipeline Protestors are sometimes a bit clueless…

For example — Line 9 — the protestors were not aware that the pipeline had been running with no significant incidents for 40 years. They thought it was a new pipeline — not that the application was for a simple reversal of direction.
Some of the political leaders have figured out that many of the protests are due to ignorance. In Canada it looks like foreign money is feeding the protestors.

June 17, 2014 9:27 pm

Adanac – Please don’t take the time to turn out the lights as you leave….we’ve got your six.

Richard Day
June 17, 2014 9:42 pm

Just offer massive tax credits for wind farms. The breeze ought to blow the water away from the islands.

lee
June 17, 2014 10:09 pm

Chris says:
June 17, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Which says a lot about some polled Australians.
I wonder how the questions were couched? Demographic profiled?

jones
June 17, 2014 10:12 pm

Are any other of these numerous islands also building extra new airports like the Maldives?
Just to evacuate quickly the population from the rapid sea level rise of course…

Tanya Aardman
June 17, 2014 11:06 pm

Chagossian Solution methinks

June 17, 2014 11:38 pm

An important study on this subject is “Sea Level Rise and the Ongoing Battle of Tarawa”
(http://sites.agu.org/sharingscience/files/2012/10/2012EO170001_rga.pdf). This article appeared in the magazine Eos.
The problems on this group of islands are attributed by the government to climate change. See appendix 1, “Issues related to climate change on South Tarawa”, in
http://www.climate.gov.ki/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/6_SOUTH-TARAWA-revised-2012.pdf!
This attribution is a dynamic information, mainly based on the future as forecasted by IPCC. “However, there is evidence that at present, climate change is not the main cause of coastal erosion, water shortages or overcrowding. Other issues, especially population growth and
the move to Western lifestyles, are having a more immediate impact. But any future plans to
tackle any of the above challenges need to provide for the growing contribution of climate
change over time.
” (p. 10)
The main reason for illness and child mortality is not climate change but overpopulation, what leads to overfishing, erosion, water pollution, ‘urban heat island’ effect (see Eos article), etc.
About the Kiribati government it says: “Many individual observations of erosion, flooding, or groundwater salinization, recorded in community consultations for internationally funded climate
change adaptation programs, are thus attributed to climate change without scientific analysis.

June 18, 2014 1:12 am

Excellent news for the Australian Budget … cut off the aide funding to these parasite island states and send their people back home.

Chris
June 18, 2014 1:21 am

WillR says:
June 17, 2014 at 9:25 pm
Climate and pipeline Protestors are sometimes a bit clueless…
For example — Line 9 — the protestors were not aware that the pipeline had been running with no significant incidents for 40 years. They thought it was a new pipeline — not that the application was for a simple reversal of direction.

I’m not sure that bragging about a 40 year old pipeline being safe is a smart move. You do know that the pipeline that ruptured in Michigan was roughly the same age. News alert – pipelines wear out as they age. You also neglected to mention that Enbridge is proposing to move heavy tar sands crude through the pipeline, which is a much harsher crude than the pipeline has carried in the past. The condensate used to dilute the tar sands crude causes pressure variations in the pipeline, far more so than has occurred with the oil it used to transport. Oh, and Enbridge refused to carry out a hydrostatic test on the pipeline. If the pipeline is so safe, why not agree to do the test?

Chris
June 18, 2014 1:39 am

lee says:
June 17, 2014 at 10:09 pm
Chris says:
June 17, 2014 at 9:06 pm
Which says a lot about some polled Australians.
I wonder how the questions were couched? Demographic profiled?

Here are the details of the survey:
http://www.afr.com/p/national/coalition_crashes_after_budget_NufCv77kkhcbjTmdFjgpYP

lee
June 18, 2014 2:49 am

Chris says:
June 18, 2014 at 1:39 am
I never took any notice of polls under the government. Why start now? And with more than 2 years to run.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
June 18, 2014 2:56 am

Australia should be the one seeking money from these islands to recoup the financial burden their expats create here. Jails, courts, police, welfare – they cost us millions.

Jfisk
June 18, 2014 3:03 am

As a matter of interest , how long have these islands been inhabited and how old are the actual islands ?

ozspeaksup
June 18, 2014 3:21 am

Chris says:
June 17, 2014 at 9:06 pm
John says:
June 17, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Push until Obama falls – right out of office. The Australian Prime Minister has far more common sense than Obama will ever have.
Sure, and that’s why Abbott’s popularity has plummeted to a 35% approval rating (and a 56% dissatisfaction rating) after just 9 months in office. The Labor party, which was crushed in the September elections, is already polling ahead of the Coalition by 53-47%. That has to be a record for how quickly voters have become dissatisfied with a political leader.
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ok Chris, so now tell WHY the vote dropped
bugger all to do with agw
but a lot to do with his budget cutting off a gravy train for many
and all the greentard climate cons getting shut down
I dont agree with the working mums full pay udea, most do not.
and cutting the dole for kids so savagely isnt going to get em working when there arent jobs to go to.
the rest?
long overdue
and seeing as Labors spending , wiped out our surplus ,and then running up debt
fo insulation schemes un neccessary school halls and all sort of crap
someones gotta get real and pay the debt fast!

June 18, 2014 5:17 am

This reaction makes perfect sense once Climate Change is rightfully seen as the more palatable excuse for the kind of global transfers enacted by the UN in 1974 under the name NIEO–New International Economic Order. I have those documents as well as reports created the next year by the Aspen Institute. Then in 1976, in conjunction with the US Bicentennial, the Club of Rome actually came to Philly to discuss the intended change in direction globally to fulfill these plans for global redistribution. Harlan Cleveland created the report for UN leaders laying out that vision. Have that too.
None of those play well as a PR pitch. So Global Warming and ozone depletion and maybe freezing all begin to be touted as necessitating the always desired redistribution. Except it gets pitched now as damages or the costs of precautionary measures instead of the outright redistribution all the 70s documents honestly reveal that it is.

knr
June 18, 2014 5:47 am

‘not talking about what it means in terms of profit and losses
Given its little more than attempt to get their hands on ton of ‘guilt cah’, they I would say its very its much about profit or loss , just not in the normal sense.

ferdberple
June 18, 2014 5:59 am

We spent 3 months on Palmyra Atol, (Gilligans Island) in the Kiribati chain of islands. At the time it was uninhabited and still had many left overs from WWII. In spite of all the sea level rise, the island remained stubbornly fixed at 6 feet above sea level, for the 200+ years since its discovery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmyra_Atoll

wlad from brz
June 18, 2014 6:09 am

“Apostacy”: should it not be “Apostasy” ?

ferdberple
June 18, 2014 6:10 am

In Canada it looks like foreign money is feeding the protestors.
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Correct. Tides Canada is US funded. It seeks to shape Canadian policy to the advantage of its wealthy US backers. By limiting the supply of Canadian energy to the US, they can artificially inflate the price of US supplies, increasing their profits.
The result, less jobs higher taxes for Canadians. More money for the extremely wealthy in the US. Because of course, we must prevent Global Warming in Canada. A country that for 90% of the year our major agricultural product is ice. Where we consider it a heat wave any time the temperatures creep above freezing.

ferdberple
June 18, 2014 6:14 am
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