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Does Pachauri have iterests in Indian solar?
“SC-Slywolf says:
May 24, 2014 at 10:02 am
Does Pachauri have iterests in Indian solar?”
Check out Pachauri and Tata. Tata pretty much have been given Land Rover, since about 2008, and British Steel as well as “renewables”.
Here’s a thought. The “greens” are for all things natural and are always calling for “renewable” energy. They are also against coal and oil.
Aren’t coal and oil natural? Weren’t they formed by natural processes? Unless those natural processes have ceased, coal and oil are being slowly renewed.
Just a thought I don’t recall being brought up before.
GISS and the adjustment for Urbanization – this is a fun read :
http://oprj.net/oprj-archive/climate-science/31/oprj-article-climate-science-31.pdf
Ren. Thanks very much, that is an excellent graph. So the surface area of Antarctic ice in their Autumn is at an all time high. The AGW’ers can’t even get facts right, because they were banging on about the collapse of the Western ice shelf earlier in the week, which clearly isn’t going to happen, because the Sun is still moving North and will be until 21st June!
UKIP (Chris Monckton’s party) gains in local elections (although share down from last year) bode well for 2015 general. The Guardian says that no one knows how a fourth competitive party will affect outcome of races in a first past the post system.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/23/editorial-local-elections-small-earthquake-england
Anything is possible says:
May 24, 2014 at 11:15 am
Thanks! Abstract:
“NASA GISS are currently the only group calculating global temperature estimates that explicitly adjust their weather station data for urbanization biases. In this study, their urbanization adjustment procedure was considered.
“A number of serious problems were found with their urbanization adjustments:
1.) The vast majority of their adjustments involved correcting for \urban cooling”, whereas urbanization bias is predominantly a warming bias.
2.) The net e ffect of their adjustments on their global temperature estimates was unrealistically low, particularly for recent decades, when urbanization bias is expected to have increased.
3.) When a sample of highly urbanized stations was tested, the adjustments successfully removed warming bias for the 1895-1980 period, but left the 1980s-2000s period eff ectively unadjusted.
“In an attempt to explain these unexpected problems, a critical assessment of their adjustment procedure was carried out. Several serious flaws in their procedure were identi fied, and recommendations to overcome these flaws were given.
“Overall, NASA GISS’ urbanization adjustments were found to be seriously flawed, unreliable and inadequate. Until their adjustment approach is substantially improved, their global temperature estimates should be treated with considerable caution.”
But you already knew that shameless lying was going on.
Gunga Din says:
Aren’t coal and oil natural? Weren’t they formed by natural processes? Unless those natural processes have ceased, coal and oil are being slowly renewed.
Just a thought I don’t recall being brought up before.
I thought of that when i read this:
http://www.pnnl.gov/news/release.aspx?id=1029
as always,
Thanks for the interesting articles and comments
An interesting read.
http://americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_corruption_of_science.html
davidmhoffer says:
May 24, 2014 at 9:35 am
Chris Edwards says:
May 24, 2014 at 8:25 am
The effect of slightly increased traces of carbon dioxide on other gases in the atmosphere is even less significant when you consider that the percentages commonly quoted are for dry air. Water vapor content varies from over 40,000 ppm in the tropics to trace amounts at the poles.
By volume, dry air contains ~780,840 ppm nitrogen, 209,470 oxygen, 9340 argon, 395 carbon dioxide, 18 neon, five helium & small amounts of other gases. Call it 7808 N2 molecules per 10,000 dry air molecules, 2095 O2, 93 Ar & now almost four CO2, with the rest negligible. So nature doesn’t really notice the extra molecule of CO2 (up from about three to four) per 10,000 dry air molecules gained since AD 1850, especially with 400 or more molecules of the GHG water vapor in the tropical mix.
Walt
I think it’s pretty poor. It depends on where the Icelandic lows or highs sit. When they are in a certain position cold weather affects much of the northern hemisphere whilst the arctic itself is relatively warm and vice versa.
Cet provides a reasonably proxy for NH temps according to many scientists and that is because Britain is in effect a giant weathervane affected by winds, pressure systems, rainfall, jet stream etc.It often runs counter cyclical to the arctic.
I don’t see that the arctic has the same parameterNDEA Britain and don’t really think ice cores have any great credibility.
Tonyb
I have been complaining that this site refuses to allow me to use my WordPress account but no one seemed to pay much attention to my story. Now Steve Goddard is complaining of the same issue.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/05/24/whats-up-with-that/#comment-356789
Can anyone here use the WordPress button to log on and post here anymore?
Gunga Din, there is also the distinct possibility / probability that petroleum is not a fossil fuel at all , rather , an abiotic produced material from the intense crustal pressures below ground. Tectonic plates pressing and grinding together literally squeezing oil out into fissures and making pools of oil deep below. So oil can be thought of as a mineral product, coal is truly a fossil fuel so far as I know. Matter is made from electrons , neutrons and protons (among other particles I reckon) my thought is YES , burning these materials are more or less renewable. Oil perhaps will never run out thus peak oil in my thinking is highly unlikely.
G’day guys n gals (any around BTW?),
I do not know if you have been bombarded with the solar roads, but I have. Between the maintenance, cleaning and efficiency I think this to be one of the smartest less applicable ideas around. But it is my 1,000ft opinion. I just can’t see them working:
http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml
Gavin Schmidt on Revkins’s DotEarth:
The models are always wrong but they’re wonderful
Science invoked with great authority to show that CO2 is guilty. WUWT disparaged en passant. Where are the holes in the argument?
Gunga Din says:
Aren’t coal and oil natural? Weren’t they formed by natural processes? Unless those natural processes have ceased, coal and oil are being slowly renewed.
Just a thought I don’t recall being brought up before.
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“There is no doubt that our research proves that crude oil and natural gas are generated without the involvement of fossils. All types of bedrock can serve as reservoirs of oil,” says Vladimir Kutcherov, who adds that this is true of land areas that have not yet been prospected for these energy sources.”
http://www.viewzone.com/abioticoil.html
Oh, no! Now I’m a “Fossel Fuel” Denier.
“Oil, The 4th Renewable Resource”, Shawn Alli (November 20, 2012), 174 pages
“The first and last book you’ll ever need to understand oil and the myth of fossil fuels. The myth of fossil fuels and peak oil has been a part of the North American lifestyle for almost 100 years. Beginning first in the schools, children are anxious for an education but instead are indoctrinated to believe this deception. As a student grows up they hear the same message propagating through governments, media and various interest groups, eventually accepting it as a scientific fact. But the truth is now within your grasp in finding this book. In Oil, The 4th Renewable Resource, you’ll learn: o How the myth of fossil fuels begins.
o How oil corporations are taking advantage of this myth.
o The beginning of the abiotic oil theory in 1877.
o How the myth of global warming and oil corporations go hand in hand.
o Which renewable resource is the best.
o And what actions you can take to affect change in the schools and government policy.”
Franciso, thanks for the link. Very entertaining.
milodonharlani;
So nature doesn’t really notice the extra molecule of CO2 (up from about three to four) per 10,000 dry air molecules gained since AD 1850, especially with 400 or more molecules of the GHG water vapor in the tropical mix.
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This is a common misunderstanding. As you rise in altitude, temperatures fall. That causes water to precipitate out. The higher you go, the less water vapour there is, and the more significant CO2 becomes in terms of ratio between the two. The bulk of the poorly named greenhouse effect thus occurs above the altitudes where water vapour exists in any significant amount.
I change my mind! Could this man be wrong twice? We will have to wait and see.
Bloke down the pub says:
May 24, 2014 at 6:33 am
Coast is a visually excellent series and Flannery seems to have been kept on a short leash.
iPlayer via Media Hint
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b044vfjc/coast-coast-australia-2-sydney
Humans may soon become hungry Zombie apocalypse cannibals according to Paul Ehrlich in a new prediction. There will also be resource wars.
A curious question.
If Mann and Trenberth discovered iron clad scientific evidence that CO2 emissions were meaningless to the climate would they tell anyone?
What disturbs me most in this whole climate change debate is that many good people (such as have appeared on the web page) have had to give up many years of their life, at least 18 years stating the truth about science while on the other side it is a deceptive action filled with fabrication ‘science.’ In many cases it could be well over a quarter of their productive life!!! I would very much like to thank them for their sustained efforts.