Pseudoscientists’ eight climate claims debunked

mad_science_guyGuest Essay By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

The intellectual dishonesty of the Thermageddonites is well demonstrated in a particularly fatuous piece entitled Eight Pseudoscientific Climate Claims Debunked by Real Scientists at the hand-wringing-and-hysteria website billmoyers.com.

The article is full of ad-hom whining – the most childish form of that most infantile of all logical fallacies, the red-herring fallacy, the totalitarians’ customary substitute for serious scientific argument. We shall ignore it. Instead, let us scrutinize the “science” put forward by this self-appointed soviet of “Real Scientists”.

They begin by saying: “Most people who deny that human activity is warming the planet just dismiss a massive body of scientific evidence as a big hoax.” That is mere yah-boo – another instance of the red-herring fallacy.

They go on to say that the climate issue is “settled in the scientific community”. That is the headcount fallacy. More about it anon.

They say They “gathered eight of the most common pseudoscientific arguments” advanced by skeptics and “asked some serious climate scientists [yeah, right] … to help us understand what makes these claims so misleading”. That is the argument from appeal to authority. So far, no science at all from the “Real Scientists”. Just illogic piled upon illogic, fallacy upon fallacy.

The first of the eight “pseudoscientific arguments” of which They accuse us is that the Earth has not been warming recently. They are particularly offended by my reproducing the real-world temperature data, determining the trend on the data, and daring to publish the inconvenient truth every month.

These Pause Deniers are not at all happy that the global temperature record shows no global warming for well over 13 years (mean of all five global-temperature datasets).

Whether They like it or not, there is a large, growing and – for Them – embarrassing discrepancy between the predictions made by “Settled Science” and the inconvenient truth that over no period of ten years or more since the IPCC’s first report in 1990 has global warming ever occurred at anything like the predicted rate.

Since January 2005, the data from which the IPCC’s latest Assessment Report starts its backcast predictions, there has been no global warming at all. Yet compared with little more than nine years ago the IPCC predicts that the weather should now be a sixth of a Celsius degree warmer than it is (Fig. 1).

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Figure 1. IPCC (2013) (orange region) predicted that there should have been a sixth of a Celsius degree of global warming since January 2005 (thick red trend-line). However, observed temperature (mean of the RSS and UAH monthly global mean surface temperature anomaly datasets) (thick blue trend-line) has if anything declined a little since that date.

However, They do not like to look at temperature change over such short periods. So let us oblige Them by going back to the IPCC’s First Assessment Report in 1990. If its predictions had been correct, there should have been two-thirds of a degree of global warming since then, but in the real world where the rest of us live there has only been one-third of a degree of warming (Fig. 2).

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Figure 2. Predictions from the IPCC’s First Assessment Report compared with outturn since 1990 (RSS & UAH). The world has been warming at exactly half the predicted rate, and the trend falls wholly outwith the prediction interval (orange region).

That is why the IPCC has been compelled to reduce its central near-term global warming prediction from a rate equivalent to 2.78 Cº/century then to 1.67 Cº/century equivalent now.

They say I should have been monitoring ocean heat content and not atmospheric temperature. Two problems with that. The IPCC’s headline temperature predictions are for global atmospheric temperature; and, though the satellites can monitor temperature with something approaching reliability, there are far too few ocean measurements to allow a proper determination of change in ocean heat content – which in any event is rising at about one-sixth the predicted rate.

They also say I cherry-pick 1998 as the start date for my graphs. No: I ask the question, “What is the earliest month since when the global temperature record shows no increase?” The answer, at present, is August 1996, 17 years 9 months ago, predating the great El Niño temperature spike of 1998 by two and a half years.

The “Real Scientists’” second alleged skeptical error – again attributed to me – is that the difference between modeled and observed temperature change is weather, not climate, the latter being what happens over several decades.

Yet Fig. 2 goes back to 1990. It covers very nearly a quarter of a century. That is quite long enough to allow some sharp conclusions to be drawn about how unsettled the “Settled Science” actually is. The graph starts in 1990 because that is the date of the IPCC’s first report.

The “Real Scientists’” third nit-pick is that, notwithstanding Anthony Watts’ US Surface Stations project, which has amply demonstrated what a joke the terrestrial temperature record is, everything is really hunky-dory. They add, bafflingly, that “scientists are not idiots”. On the evidence, this lot are more idiots than scientists.

They say Anthony’s results were “the issue the skeptics were touting, but if you look at the peer-reviewed literature, this was stuff that was answered years ago.” Indeed it was – by Michaels & McKitrick (2007), who found a highly significant correlation between regional rates of industrial growth and of global warming, leading to the conclusion that warming over land had been overstated by double.

The “Real Scientists’” fourth assertion is that “Yes, There Is a Scientific Consensus”. As is now traditional, They define it with artfully-calculated imprecision as “the scientific consensus that human activities are causing the earth to warm”. Let us be as precise as They are vague. The existence of the greenhouse effect is definitively established both in theory and in experiment and needs no “consensus” to prop it up. CO2 concentration is rising, chiefly owing to our activities (unless Professor Salby is right). Therefore, it is established that our activities may cause warming.

But the true scientific debate is not about the long-established qualitative question whether there is a greenhouse effect. It is about the quantitative question how much warming we may cause. The IPCC, whose duty is to reflect the balance of the scientific literature, mendaciously and without statistical rigor assigns a fictitious “95% confidence” to the notion that we caused most of the 0.75 Cº global warming since 1950. However, Legates et al. (2013) have demonstrated that just 0.5% of 11,944 climate science abstracts published from 1991-2011 state that we are the major cause of recent warming. “Consensus” is lacking. The IPCC is wrong.

Fifthly, the “Real Scientists” say global warming is “Not the Sun’s Fault”. They begin by congratulating themselves and their ilk for not having “persecuted” Professor Svensmark for his cosmic-ray amplification theory, and for not having “run him out of the scientific community on a rail”.

In fact, the Royal Society – the world’s oldest whining taxpayer-funded pressure-group – treated the Professor so badly when he presented his results, howling him down and calling him names, that he suffered a serious heart attack not long thereafter. Professor Bengtsson, recently bullied by his peer climate scientists, is by no means the only distinguished scientist to have been subjected to Their global bullying.

The “Real Scientists” say Professor Svensmark’s results “don’t stand up to scrutiny” and add, falsely, that “there’s no evidence to support Svensmark’s contention”. The true position is that there is a considerable and growing body of evidence and support for it in the reviewed literature that so few of them ever read.

To make matters worse, They falsely say his hypothesis is that “the sun explains everything”. I have heard him lecture many times and have discussed his theory with him. Theirs is a monstrous and malicious misrepresentation of his position.

They maintain that if the Sun were the cause of recent warming all altitudes would warm, but that “the upper atmosphere is actually cooling”. Er, no. The stratosphere cooled in the 1990s but its temperature has shown little trend this millennium.

The “Real Scientists’” sixth assertion, in response to suggestions that the Sun has entered a cooling cycle, is that “there is no credible data nor any credible scientist who would make this claim.” Yet, as Dr Willie Soon of the Harvard-Smithsonian Institute for Astrophysics has long pointed out, the lengthening of the past solar cycle from the usual 10.6 years to more like 13 years may well indicate that the next few solar cycles will be comparatively inactive.

This view is supported by research at NASA showing that the magnetic convection currents beneath the solar surface have slowed to walking pace for the first time since observations of their velocity began. Many solar physicists are at least open to the possibility that the Sun will be less active than usual in the coming decades.

On grind the “Real Scientists” with their seventh assertion, that I was wrong to point out that the fastest warming ever recorded by thermometers occurred in central England in the 17th century, before the industrial revolution began. They are upset that I have pointed out that this record centennial warming rate occurred between 1663 and 1762. This, They think, is “cherry-picking”.

No: I simply asked the question, “What was the fastest centennial rate of global warming in the instrumental record?” The answer is what it is, like it or not. There was more warming in that century than in any 100-year period since. The warming of 1663-1762 cannot have been caused by us. Therefore the possibility exists that some perhaps substantial fraction of the lesser global warming of the past century may also have been natural.

Inspecting the data seems to me to be the right starting-point for scientific enquiry. But, over and over again, the “Real Scientists” express their dislike of the real world and the inconvenient data that are observable here.

Eighthly and finally, They say Antarctic ice is not increasing, and that to say that it is increasing is “interesting given the two major studies … which found that six large West Antarctic glaciers are in an irreversible state of decline.”

Let us instruct these woeful scientific illiterates in a few facts. First, skeptics say – because that is what the evidence shows – that Antarctic sea ice is increasing. Indeed, it has repeatedly broken the 35-year satellite-era record. Secondly, the “two major studies” were concerned with land-based ice, not sea ice.

And, my oh my, six glaciers declining! Hold the Front PAGE!!! Here is an inconvenient truth that the “Real Scientists” may stumble upon if They ever read anything. There are more than six glaciers on Earth. There are thought to be more than 160,000. Nearly all have never been visited or studied by Man.

A little logic might also help these climate campaigners disguised as “scientists”. Antarctica has not warmed since the satellites have been watching. Therefore, it is difficult to assert with any confidence that the apparent retreat of half a dozen glaciers in a corner of Antarctica known to have an anomalous climate and to be affected by subsea volcanism is attributable to manmade global warming.

The “Real Scientists” say Antarctica’s land-based ice is “melting at an alarming rate”. Since the melting is not caused by warming (for the good and sufficient reason that there has not been any in the region across the entire satellite era), true scientists would first check that the land-based ice is melting “at an alarming rate” (hint: it isn’t), and then try to find out why, rather than adopting a naively but profitably aprioristic stance and blaming Man.

True scientists might also check where the “alarming” ice melt is going. For even the official (and questionable) satellite record of sea-level rise does not show much more than 3 mm of sea-level rise each year. Other records – such as the eight-year Envisat record – show sea level rising at a rate equivalent to just 3 cm/century (Fig. 3).

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Figure 3. The Envisat sea-level record during its eight-year life, and before any “global isostatic adjustments” or other tamperings to sex up the apparent rate of sea-level rise.

 

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Figure 4. The extent to which the raw sea-level data have been tampered with to force them to show sea level as rising alarmingly is alarming.

And the GRACE gravitational-anomaly satellites have shown sea level actually falling (Peltier et al., 2009) (Fig. 4). So where has all that melting ice hidden itself? Perhaps it’s skulking at the bottom of the ocean alongside the missing heat.

Sea level rose by about 7-8 inches in the 20th century, according to the tide-gauges. After adjusting for calibration errors and a bewildering variety of tamperings with the satellite sea-level data, that rate has not changed much. And why would it? For there has been very little global warming over the past decade or two.

Real “Real Scientists” would have examined sea-level reconstructions over the past millennium to see how sea level changed in response to the medieval warm period (warmer than the present) and the little ice age (cooler). That is what I have done in Fig. 5. Grinsted et al. (2009) reconstructed 1000 years of sea-level change. Note how well the sea-level curve corresponds with the curve of 1000 years’ reconstructed temperatures over the same period. Note in passing how poorly both curves track the ludicrous “hokey-stick” graph from the IPCC’s 2001 Third Assessment Report.

And note in particular how small the change in sea level has been: just 8 inches up or down in 1000 years.

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Figure 5. Reconstructed sea-level change (Grinsted et al., 2009) and global temperature change (IPCC, 1990) compared over the past millennium. The evident correlation does not necessarily imply causation, but at least the possibility of causation exists.

Let us suppose, ad argumentum, that the main reason for sea-level change is temperature change, and that Grinsted’s sea-level reconstruction is plausible. In that event, the small sea-level response to the large temperature change between the medieval warm period and the little ice age suggests the possibility that even a global warming far greater than what is now likely might not have much impact on sea level.

Given that the “Real Scientists” are manifestly wrong in substance on every point They made in their article, why did They bother to expose Their ignorance and intellectual bankruptcy by writing it in the first place?

The reason is simple. The evidence-based, science-based arguments of the skeptics are gaining traction, and the true-believers in the Thermageddon cult know it. Their shoddy technique is to parade their negligible scientific credentials, to write utter garbage such as that which I have exposed here, and to publish it on some friendly website or another. This allows other climate campaigners to link to the garbage and assert – quite falsely – that our arguments have been “repeatedly and thoroughly debunked” by “Real Scientists.”

In truth, the “Real Scientists” have debunked themselves by writing such transparent drivel that even a layman can see right through it.

The dishonorable conduct of the “Real Scientists”, to which no real scientist would ever sink, is a measure of their sheer, panic-laden desperation. They cannot even pray for deliverance in the shape of another record-breaking el Niño, for remarkably few Thermageddonites believe in God. They are too busy believing in whatever line the Party has handed down, Comrade.

The malevolent bunch who perpetrated the nonsense I have here debunked sneer at Roy Spencer because he is a believing Christian. They do not realize that They have Themselves gotten religion – but that They have made the mistake of subscribing not to a true religion but to a mere shamanistic superstition – a pseudo-religious belief system dressed up as science that can be, as it has here been, demonstrated to be obviously false in just about every material particular.

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drumphil
May 20, 2014 5:15 pm

And, of course, having made that post, I now have to wait and see if it goes up at all! My posts go to moderation, and then it is decided if they are let through at all. Sometimes they might go through, sometimes they might be displayed with just the mods comment, and sometimes they just disappear! No joke, ask them if you don’t believe me.

drumphil
May 20, 2014 7:09 pm

Hey, there we go. My last two posts just above this one have now showed up as “your comment is awaiting moderation.”

drumphil
May 20, 2014 7:14 pm

“The Mods do NOT “hide” anything. I know because they have ALWAYS posted a note to show when and why a post from me has been “trimmed”. I can see no reason for you to have been treated differently.”
Anything to add now Richard? If this process was truly transparent there would be no confusion as to exactly what happened would there?
[note – “mods” always leave a note when the SEE and snip a comment for policy. Comments not seen that get thrown out with the hundreds to thousands of SPAM comments received each day at WUWT don’t fall into that category. clean up your commenting style and you might very find yourself back in a good position to comment without being pre-moderated. whining won’t improve your situation, and right now you are taking up a lot of moderator time -mod
p.s Courtney has been on the moderation list too, but he learned how to get along. will you?]

drumphil
May 20, 2014 7:32 pm

This is one of my posts that disappeared.
“”What is the big deal about Lord Monkton’s status as an English viscount or membership in the House of Lords?”
I think the big deal is that if you are going to throw rocks at other peoples houses, you should make sure your own house isn’t made of glass first. Monckton does attack other peoples credibility, and so his own personal credibility is indeed a fair topic.
“Prince Charles is about as royal as it gets, but in the arena of climate change he’s pretty vacant.”
Yeah, but he isn’t making false claims about his status.”
There was also another post which I didn’t think to make a copy of where I responded to this statement by Monckton:
“I see the sneering trolls are back in force in this thread. What a shame that their science is so poor and their arguments, so ad-hominem and in so many other ways contrary to reason, logic and truth. Why is it that feeble-mindedness and sheer nastiness so often go together?”
I find this a bit rich coming from someone who showed Ross Garnaut’s name on a Swastika. That isn’t nasty? Monckton is not above such behavior. He did apologize for this when it made the headlines, but it was a calculated deliberate act. He wasn’t just walking around with a picture of a swastika in one hand, Ross Garnaut’s name in the other, and tripped and stuck his name on the swastika accidentally.
There are many other examples that I can list of Monckton being what any reasonable person would call nasty.
“It was the unattractiveness of the true-believers’ behavior that first alerted me to the need to re-examine rather carefully whether what they were saying was true.”
People in glass houses…

drumphil
May 20, 2014 7:35 pm

Yeah, but Richard questioned my honesty when I said that some of my posts had disappeared without a trace.

May 20, 2014 8:18 pm

drumphil says:
Monckton… did apologize
Which puts him head and shoulders above anyone else cited by “drumhill”, AKA: “thecaptaingoesforth”.
Lord Monckton signs his own name to his comments. Too bad not everyone is like him. But being anonymous is some protection against living in a glass house.

drumphil
May 20, 2014 8:23 pm

mod said:
“Comments not seen that get thrown out with the hundreds to thousands of SPAM comments received each day at WUWT don’t fall into that category. clean up your commenting style and you might very find yourself back in a good position to comment without being pre-moderated.”
Are you saying that my posting style was at fault for my message being classified as spam?
What was spammy about the post I showed two messages ago?

drumphil
May 20, 2014 8:28 pm

“Lord Monckton signs his own name to his comments.”
I put my full name and address up for everyone to see, but the mods redacted it.
My name is Philip Schaeffer.
“Monckton… did apologize”
Yeah, once caught out in the glare of negative publicity. There are also many other nasty things he has said that he has never apologized for. He has shown many times that he is not above the sort of nastiness that he judges other by.

drumphil
May 20, 2014 8:29 pm

And, the last time I made a remark that I looked back on and thought “now you’re just being a smartarse, and that doesn’t help anything”, I apologized without any prompting from anyone.

May 20, 2014 8:36 pm

Well, props to you, Philip Schaefer, for posting your name. I don’t know who redacted it, but some moderators have apparently never read Anthony’s Rules For Moderators.
Regarding Lord Monckton, you denigrated his apology. That is unfair. Prince Charles [among other climate alarmists] labels skeptics with various pejoratives. But Charles has never apologized, and he never will. Neither has any other alarmist apologized, and many of them are extremely vicious.
You would do better pointing out what they do, rather than attacking Lord M in the same ad hominem way as those in the alarmist clique. If you want to attack, then attack his science. That is fair game. Getting personal is not.

drumphil
May 20, 2014 8:59 pm

“If you want to attack, then attack his science. That is fair game. Getting personal is not.”
Monckton breaks these rules frequently, while complaining here in this thread about the nastiness of others. But I can’t respond because that isn’t talking about science?
“Monckton also complained he had received no response from the archbishop of St. Paul and Minneapolis, John Nienstedt, saying he was “probably so busy sorting out the problems with little boys that he hasn’t got time to deal with this one.”
How does that rate on the nasty scale?
“So unusual is this attempt actually to meet us in argument, and so venomously ad hominem are Abraham’s artful puerilities, delivered in a nasal and irritatingly matey tone (at least we are spared his face — he looks like an overcooked prawn)”
That one is truly hilarious. Working on the “two wrongs make a right” theory?

May 20, 2014 9:24 pm

drumphil,
You are fixated on Lord Monckton. Why?
As I wrote: Regarding Lord Monckton, you denigrated his apology. That is unfair.
And it is unfair! Once again: attack LM’s science. If you can. Anything else is ad hominem.
You are getting way too personal. Why? What has Lord Monckton ever done to you?

drumphil
May 20, 2014 9:37 pm

If Monckton just stuck to the science I wouldn’t have anything to say about him.

drumphil
May 20, 2014 10:28 pm

And, I must make a correction. Monckton didn’t put Ros Garnaut’s name next to the swastika, but he did have a quote from him next to the swastika, and made statements such as “Heil Hitler, on we go,” and likened Garnaut to a Nazi.,
So, sorry about that. The point still stands, but that doesn’t diminish my responsibility to be accurate in my statements about what Monckton said and did.

richardscourtney
May 20, 2014 11:19 pm

drumphil:
Your post at May 20, 2014 at 7:35 pm says in total

Yeah, but Richard questioned my honesty when I said that some of my posts had disappeared without a trace.

THAT IS A FALSEHOOD!
In truth, at May 20, 2014 at 3:08 am my post to you concluded

WordPress has been losing posts I have made to WUWT since the recent introduction of changes to the format of WUWT. And I note that others have said they have also had difficulties. I do not know if you use WordPress but I suspect you may be accusing the Mods of nefarious activity because you are using WordPress and are misunderstanding WordPress problems..

Clearly, I did NOT “question {your} honesty”. Your accusation is a falsehood.
Your falsehood demonstrates your lack of honesty.
Also, you have now successfully trolled this thread to discussion of irrelevance. This trolling was the original – and clear – intention of the co-ordinated effort of you and at least two other trolls. And you have the gall to mention your “honesty”!
Richard

Non Nomen
May 20, 2014 11:53 pm

Re: Lord Monckton et al
What goes on here about Lord Monckton, what he is, if he is and if not why etc. seems to me a vast playground for trolling and other distracting practices. I’d be glad if that could cease, the sooner the better. I can hear the warmistas choking with laughter(ok, a nice way to die…).

drumphil
May 21, 2014 12:52 am

The posts were disappeared in a totally opaque way. The explanations given so far are very vague.
“Comments not seen that get thrown out with the hundreds to thousands of SPAM comments received each day at WUWT don’t fall into that category. clean up your commenting style and you might very find yourself back in a good position to comment without being pre-moderated.”
Given the timing of events, and the nature of the messages that disappeared, I find it hard to believe that they were mistaken for spam. I got mistaken for a spammer, despite me not having sent one damn piece of spam in the ever in my life and certainly not here, and it happened just as I was put on moderation? Anyway, they make no mention of wordpress being responsible for the messages disappearing.
They don’t even say for certain that my messages were dumped as spam. Can’t they check? Can’t they just state exactly what happened to the messages in question? Can’t be that hard to find out can it? Deciding that something is spam, and deleting it without a trace or explanation sounds like an invisible hand to me.
“There was clear evidence (which I cited in my post at May 19, 2014 at 1:39 am) that at least three of you were involved in co-ordinated trolling intended to divert this thread from its subject. If the Mods did want to “hide” any of your posts then they could – and would – have stated why.”
If it wasn’t [snipped] you’d know exactly what happened with the double post, as I explained it clearly. Not my decision to redact the information.
REPLY: You don’t understand how wordpress works. Nor to do you know how the spam appears. Sometimes we get PAGES of it in the moderation bin. Lots of it is long wordy posts with dozens of embedded links. Sometimes, rather than wade through pages and pages of this stuff volunteer moderators just delete it all because it is too time consuming. Note in our policy page, we note that “bulk moderation may be employed to save time.”. In your situation, being a person who is trolling and using sockpuppetry with a different identity, you get to share the same rules and bin as spam.
Clean up your act, and you might get elevated. Keep it up and you’ll be in the permanent troll bin.
For now, take a 48 hour time out for the sockpuppetry. There won’t be a second time out or warning. – Anthony

drumphil
May 21, 2014 1:03 am

“Your falsehood demonstrates your lack of honesty. ”
I’ve been wrong before, and I might be now, but I am not trying to deceive anyone.
REPLY: “I am not trying to deceive anyone”. Really? Then why the need to sockpuppet as “thecaptaingoesforth” ? I’ve verified these are both your identity. Why the need for any of your fake names? At least Mr. Courtney and Mr. Monckton have the courage to put their names to their words. Take a 48 hour time out – Anthony

richardscourtney
May 21, 2014 4:22 am

drumphil:
re your repetition of your falsehood which you provide at May 21, 2014 at 1:03 am.
You asserted that I had “questioned {your} honesty” when – in reality – I had stated a possible explanation of why you had been mistaken into having made a false accusation against the mods.
I said of your assertion,
“Your falsehood demonstrates your lack of honesty.”
It does, and so does your refusal to withdraw your falsehood and apologise.
Richard

richardscourtney
May 21, 2014 4:34 am

Mods:
Yest again a post from me has disappeared. A return to the old system would be appreciated.
Richard
REPLY: See Richard, here’s the thing; your comments are just as much of a moderation burden as “rumphill” in this dispute. He’s not going to apologize any more than you are going to stop getting into food fights. Both of you are wasting moderation time here. So, the solution is to stop. – Anthony

May 21, 2014 9:40 am

Drumphil says:
If Monckton just stuck to the science I wouldn’t have anything to say about him.
There are very few commenters who “just stick to the science”. You certainly are not doing that here.
Lord Monckton is a valued contributor who writes excellent articles and uses verifiable facts to back them up. That is why he is so viciously attacked by the alarmist clique. Their attacks are all ad hominem because they cannot dispute his facts or his science.
There is plenty to attack on the climate alarmist side. Why attack one of our own?

bushbunny
May 21, 2014 9:14 pm

I didn’t read that part of Lord Monckton putting a swastika next to Ross Gore-nit. Gee how appropriate, he stood up for the governments alarmist projections (ALP) and told farmers to farm kangaroos rather than sheep and cattle to cut methane. You can imagine the reaction! What would happen to our wool industry for starters? If kangaroos were suitable to domesticate the Aborigines would have tried. They are marsupials the idiot. We do sell kangaroo meat but it is shot from the wild. I don’t like it but people do as it low in fat, bit gamey, and needs herbs and garlic to give it a taste, like venison. My dogs like it though. He came to New England and was taken to a sustainable farm that rotates beef and cattle and doesn’t use vaccinations etc., (other than the mandatory ones, but no wormers) and he got a short shift from the farmer, he said he was not doing this for climatic reasons but to increase production. He was taken around by Tony Windsor friend of the Greens.

bushbunny
May 21, 2014 9:18 pm

Sorry should have written beef and sheep. It seems the cattle eat the top of the grass where the worm larvae are but are not affected by this worm, then he puts his sheep in after the cattle.

drumphil
May 22, 2014 11:43 pm

“REPLY: “I am not trying to deceive anyone”. Really? Then why the need to sockpuppet as “thecaptaingoesforth” ? I’ve verified these are both your identity. Why the need for any of your fake names? At least Mr. Courtney and Mr. Monckton have the courage to put their names to their words. Take a 48 hour time out – Anthony”
So I take it you didn’t read the contents of the message you or your mods [snip]ped? Because I did explain. Why delete my explanation, and then ask what happened? If my intent was to deceive, then why would my next post explain what happened, and identify myself as the originator of the second post? Some deception eh? Everyone here would already know this if it hadn’t been snipped.
And, I have put my name up for everyone to see in this thread. It’s still there. I have done this before with my address as well, but the mods chose to redact it.
I suppose it would make more sense to just post under my own name. I didn’t think of that when I started here, and just used the tag I use everywhere. So, from now on I will post as Philip Schaeffer. I’ll make note in my posts of this change for a while so no one is confused as to who exactly is talking.
Richard:
“You asserted that I had “questioned {your} honesty” when – in reality – I had stated a possible explanation of why you had been mistaken into having made a false accusation against the mods.”
You are right. I apologize.
Anthony:
“He’s not going to apologize any more than you are going to stop getting into food fights.”
Well, that’s the second time I apologized in this thread. First time unprompted, second time because Richard rightly pointed out that I misrepresented what he said. I don’t know why you insist on claiming that I would never apologize, when I have before in this thread, and previously in other threads.
Finally: Richard, may I ask what you now think of my claims about the invisible hand of the moderators, and about stuff disappearing without a trace or a [snip] notice?
REPLY: OK post as Philip Schaeffer henceforth, but do try to get along without taking simple things like a missing “d” and responses that end up deleted with spam as some sort of “moderator conspiracy”.
This blog has volunteer moderators, live with it.
You ask people here to “grow up” I ask you look in the mirror and do the same, because these petty arguments are a complete waste of time. Move on from this stuff or move out. That goes for Courtney too. – Anthony

drumphil
May 22, 2014 11:47 pm

“I didn’t read that part of Lord Monckton putting a swastika next to Ross Gore-nit.”
Why do you think he apologized for that?
And, seriously what is the go with the 5th grade name calling?
Anthony: “rumphil”
bushbunny: “Ross Gore-nit”
Grow up.
REPLY: I’m not doing any name-calling, that was a typo, missed the d …chill. -Anthony