Starting at the same price, there’s a 10 to 1 gap in investment performance
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
… Don’t put your pension into Greens. “Greens” are what the City boys in red suspenders with East End accents you could cut with a machete and Porsches you could scratch with a convenient latch-key call renewable-energy stocks. See the chart:
As Bjørn Lomborg points out in a recent devastating graph, if you had been scared enough by the hockey-stick fable in the IPCC’s 2001 Third Assessment Report to invest $100 in Greens in 2002, you would now be the proud owner of $28, or quite a bit less than that after inflation.
But if you had followed Monckton’s Rule of Merry and Profitable Investment – listen very carefully to what the Government tells you, do the exact opposite, wait a decade or so, then collect in spades – you would have invested your $100 in oil and gas stocks. And you would now have a billfold crammed with $238, or 1000% more than the hapless investor in Greens.
These are remarkable figures. Oil and gas corporations have had to face ever higher taxes and ever tighter regulations in the name of Saving The Planet. Greens have been subsidized to levels so absurd they’re beyond Communist. Even with the millstone of taxation, regulation and ministerial hate-speech, oil and gas stocks have done well. Even with frequent epinephrine overdoses of taxpayer subsidy and paeans of official praise, Greens – as the red-suspenders brigade would put it – are down the toilet.
That is a remarkable contrast. Not the least reason for it is that all forms of so-called “renewable” energy are monstrously, irremediably inefficient. Currently, my favorite example is the sappy UK Government’s subsidies to new electric autos.
Typical gasoline-powered auto engines are approximately 27% efficient. Typical fossil-fueled generating stations are 50% efficient, transmission to end user is 67% efficient, battery charging is 90% efficient and the auto’s electric motor is 90% efficient, so that the fuel efficiency of an electric auto is – er – also 27%. However, the electric auto requires 30% more power per mile traveled to move the mass of its batteries.
CO2 emissions from domestic transport account for 24% of UK CO2 emissions, and cars, vans, and taxis represent 90% of road transport. Assuming 80% of fuel use is by these autos, they account for 19.2% of UK CO2 emissions. Conversion to electric power, 61% of which is generated by fossil fuels in the UK, would remit 39% of 19.2%, or 7.5%, of UK CO2 emissions.
However, the battery-weight penalty would be 30% of 19.2% of 61%, or 3.5%, of UK CO2 emissions. So the net saving from converting all UK cars, vans, and taxis to electricity would be just 4% of UK CO2 emissions, which are 1.72% of global CO2 emissions. Thus converting all UK autos to electricity would abate 0.07% of global CO2 emissions.
But at what cost?
The cost to the UK taxpayer of subsidizing the 30,000 electric cars, vans, and taxis bought in 2012 was a flat-rate subsidy of $8333 (£5000) for each vehicle and a further subsidy of about $350 (£210) in vehicle excise tax remitted, a total of $260.5 million. On that basis, the cost of subsidizing all 2,250,000 new autos sold each year would be $19.54 bn. Though the longevity of electric autos is 50% greater than that of internal-combustion autos, batteries must be completely replaced every few years at great cost, canceling the longevity advantage.
The considerable cost of using renewable energy to bring down the UK’s fossil-fueled generation fraction from the global mean 67% to 61% is not taken into account, though, strictly speaking, an appropriate share of the very large subsidy cost of renewable electricity generation should be assigned to electric vehicles.
By contrast, what is the cost of doing nothing?
The Stern Report on the economics of climate change says 3 Cº global warming this century would cost 0-3% of global GDP. We’re not going to get 3 Cº warming, or anything like it, so make that, say, 1% of GDP.
But the cost of making global warming go away by methods whose unit cost per Celsius degree of global warming abated is equivalent to that of the UK Government’s mad subsidy for electric autos works out at 74% of global GDP. So it is 74 times more expensive to act today than to adapt the day after tomorrow. Oops!
In fact, the cost-benefit ratio may be even worse than this. Now that both RSS and UAH have reported their satellite-derived monthly temperature anomalies for February 2014, the monthly Global Warming Prediction Index can be determined, based on the simple mean of the two datasets since January 2005.
The IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report last year backdated the models’ projections to 2005, and reduced the central estimate of the next 30 years’ global warming by almost half from the equivalent of 2.3 Cº per century in the pre-final draft to the equivalent of 1.3 Cº per century in the final draft.
Even this much-reduced projection continues inexorably to diverge from the unexciting reality that global temperature has stabilized.
The brainier and more honest advocates of the official story-line know that events have rendered their demands for near-zero CO2 emissions no longer tenable.
Yet they continue to make their strident demands that the West should, in effect, shut itself down. They do so for the following interesting reason. They know that the high-sensitivity theory they said they were more sure about than anything else is nonsense. They know the world will warm by perhaps 1 Cº this century as a result of our activities, and that is all, and that is not a problem.
They also know that within not more than seven years the mean of all five global-temperature datasets may well show no global warming – at all – for 20 years. They know that if CO2 concentration continues to rise at anything like its present rate it will become obvious to all that they were spectacularly, egregiously, humiliatingly in error.
They have concluded, unsurprisingly but furtively, that their only way out is to insist that the science is even more settled than ever and that CO2 emissions must be cut even faster than before.
Then, when global temperature fails to rise as they now know it will fail to rise, they can say that the Pause has happened because CO2 emissions have been stabilized by the policies they so profitably demanded, rather than because the Pause would have happened anyway.
Indeed, one or two of the more flagrantly dishonest global warming crooks are already beginning to claim that the Pause is their doing. One has only to look at the ever-rising gray CO2 curve on the graph to see there is no truth in that.
However, the day of judgment is at hand. A fraud case is being quietly, painstakingly assembled, spanning three continents. When the last pieces of evidence have been carefully collected, half a dozen people will face trial for the serious, imprisonable offense of fraud by misrepresentation.
When that day comes, watch the rats who have over-promoted this profoundly damaging scare scurrying for cover in case they are next. Then, and only then, the scare will be over.
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@ur momisugly David Wells
Best value for money is an LPG or LNG fueled, bivalent(gas+petrol) type. In Europe, Fiat(e.g. Doblo, Panda) and GM’s Opel(e.g. Zafira, Insignia) sell them. LPG, compared to petrol, is half the price but consumtion is 10-15% more. I am familiar with LPG driven cars since 1979…
But also take ethanol(E85) into consideration. If your car can take that, use it instead of regular. My 20+ year-old Volkswagen accepts a mix of up to 50% w/o problems. You get far better value for money than using short-lived battery-powered, catweazeled ‘electrickery’. True ‘Greens’ don’t make a fuss but go free-spirited….
Another Geologist’s Take says:
March 6, 2014 at 3:22 pm
clipe and Mac…I wasn t trying to argue that the green energy industry isn’t a subsidy hog, but if a comaprison is made then the subsidies that are and have gone to the fossil fuel industry need to be in the equation to make it a fair comparison.
A quick look and I found this….jeez guys you’re acting rabid.
http://www.imf.org/external/np/pp/eng/2013/012813.pdf.
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And you’re just being stupid. Sorry, but after hearing lots of NPR propaganda today (97%! It’s a fact!), I’m just not in the mood to be especially polite. Did you bother reading your own link? Here’s a couple of quotes I found in less than a minute:
The Middle East and North Africa region accounted for about 50percent of global energy subsidies (Figure 3, Appendix Table2).
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The only advanced economy where energy subsidies were a non-negligible share of GDP was Taiwan Province of China at 0.3 percent of GDP (electricity)
And did you bother reading the Lomborg piece that Clipe posted? Obviously not because you go right to the IMF report which is specifically addressed. Virtually all of the advanced country subsidies are due to what the IMF thinks the externalities should be priced at, i.e. they’re not taxed enough. Isn’t that convenient? That’s a dial-a-subsidy machine right there! Don’t see enough subsidy for fossil fuels to fit the narrative? Why, just claim that they’re doing $100/kWh of eco-damage and problem solved!
Oh, and if you don’t like that piece, then here’s some more:
http://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Zycher%20Senate%20Finance%20renewables%20incentives%20testimony%203-27-12.pdf
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/03/07/cbo-debunks-myth-that-tax-code-favors-oil-over-renewables/
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43032
Crispin in Waterloo says:
March 6, 2014 at 1:59 pm
There is a device that you can install….
Not an expert in the all of the dynamics of this, but have lots of experience pre-heating piston aircraft engines. The problem isn’t so much pre-circulating the oil as raising its temperature and thereby reducing its viscosity to a point where it will circulate at all.
http://www.csobeech.com/interior-csob.html
I wonder if any Darwin Awards were earned these past few weeks in central North America by folks heading out on trips with battery powered autos? Or did they start up the gas 4X4 and get their work done?
Many years ago I would help the truck drivers of our local cola (soda, to some) bottling plant as they loaded prior to making winter deliveries. They started a couple of bags of charcoal and slid trays under the racks of glass bottles. Anyone that wants to use this concept for their electric car, please feel free to do so.
Looking forward to the results of the Pattern Recognition Journal case.
Is there a timeline on the fraud suits?
Something concrete would be good.
D.J. Hawkins says:
March 6, 2014 at 6:18 pm
Don’t you mean 7,500/(1-.36)=$11,719? If you are right about the $20K+, I just might just go out and buy one with the rest of the free money you gave me for my irrigation system. I’m very anti-subsidy because they distort markets; but as long as they are handing them out, I want my share.
Laugh a minute …
http://blogs.reuters.com/globalinvesting/2010/11/29/solar-activities-and-market-cycles
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article27253.html
http://lunatictrader.com
bonanzapilot says:
March 6, 2014 at 7:29 pm
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I know you’re just being a pest now, thought you might have had something to say.
Thought you might be a pilot.
Just kidding 🙂
Any original thoughts, or what ?
Mine have been destroyed en masse by those that lurk here.
Mostly they try to destroy you in a respectful way.
Mostly 🙂
However, the day of judgment is at hand.
Hopefully not delayed by the obfuscation an El Nino or volcanic eruption would provide.
Checked the basic numbers for a Gen-2 Prius Hybrid.
~150K km per battery change is fairly typical for a Prius Gen-2s (this was reported by a taxi operator) and typical fuel economy for hard city driving is ~$29 AUD, per 300 kilometers.
So if we take 150k km as the battery swap-over point, this equates to $14,500 of fuel expended to that range. Given the Prius Gen-2 is ~35% more efficient than a contemporary conventional model of the same size and seat capacity (and this is not an exaggeration, it is), then this equates to $19,575 of fuel for a conventional car over the same distance.
So the difference in fuel cost to battery change point of 150k km is about $5,075 AUD.
So as the battery refit is $4,000, this leaves only $1,075 of fuel price saved, in 150k km, compared to the conventional powered model.
So the real fuel efficiency gain in the Gen-2 Prius fuel efficiency figures, taking into account the battery swap of $4,000 AUD, means the total fuel efficiency gain comes in at around:
7.41%
Which is much lower than I had thought – I must recant here, somewhat.
Thus the hybrid efficiency bonus is ~7.5% (and the Prius Gen-2 is probably still the most efficient hybrid model built to date, so this is as good as it gets with the old NiCad batteries).
This is not as low as the 4% the author suggests above, but not as high as I had supposed either, in a real world comparison of fuel savings, once the typical battery change is included.
Sorry Mr. Monckton, was not as far off as I’d thought (but still it’s about ~190% out).
AJB says:
March 6, 2014 at 7:39 pm>>>>
Hahahaha!
From the Reuters article:
“There is a force, stronger than us, that may control cycles in the markets… I believe living in tune with the cycles, which can be upset very easily, is a major way to participate in the markets, but one must always remember that trees don’t grow to the sky and how long can a stock go? Zero”
Trees may not grow to the sky, but they can certainly bear fruit for a long time. Some people don’t seem to understand that there are stocks, which represent claims on the future return of tangible assets or human innovation, and the stock market, which over the short term is a chaotic system based upon most participants’ feelings that they are smarter than everyone else. Over the long term, Mr. Market usually gets it right, and I don’t think he pays much attention to the moon.
u.k.(us) says:
March 6, 2014 at 7:53 pm
Not trying to be a pest, just trying to clarify the economic effects of subsidies. Probably don’t have any original thoughts either, but many here do. I’m just a pragmatist trying to make my way through the real world, and some of the information in this forum is helpful. 😉
bonanzapilot says: March 6, 2014 at 8:05 pm
future return of tangible assets or human innovation
Yep, that about sums it up. I’m tempted to change the last word to advancement but that’s not quite right either. Probably better to add and discovery“.
You’ve got to do a double take of the domain name of that last link though. It has everything; owls hooting in the moonlight … to whit, to woo 🙂
“Unmentionable says:
March 6, 2014 at 5:16 pm”
Garnout is a hypocrite. He was the economic architect of the price on carbon. Problem is everyone forgets that in 1972 he worked with the PNG Govn’t to enable land sales to mining companies. He was also on the board of Ok Tedi copper and gold mine in PNG. So, like Gore, he’s made lots of money out of “carbon polluting” industries.
rogerknights says:
March 6, 2014 at 6:16 pm
Crispin in Waterloo says:
March 6, 2014 at 1:59 pm
There is a device that you can install on your engine that runs up the oil pressure before the engine is started. This will triple act the engine life in most cases. That is why it is not included in any car – only large very expensive engines like bulldozers etc.
Can you give me any clues to help me google for this item?
here’s a link to one of the more popular ones
http://www.accusump.com/
Dave Wendt says:
March 6, 2014 at 9:45 pm
rogerknights says:
March 6, 2014 at 6:16 pm
Crispin in Waterloo says:
March 6, 2014 at 1:59 pm
There is a device that you can install on your engine that runs up the oil pressure before the engine is started. This will triple act the engine life in most cases. That is why it is not included in any car – only large very expensive engines like bulldozers etc.
Can you give me any clues to help me google for this item?
here’s a link to one of the more popular ones
http://www.accusump.com/
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Yes – we used these in our race cars! They also keep oil circulating under high g-loads while under full throttle, so the engine is not starved of oil as it sloshes to one side of the oil pan.
David Wells
Any modern car should be able to do well over 200,000 miles. I drove my 1985 Chev Nova (Toyota Corolla) to the junk yard at 405,000 miles. It still ran but salt roads hes taken to big of a toll on the body. My present vehicle is at 155,000 and I expect it to run for at least that much more.
il y a longtemps que des systèmes ont été mis a point – systèmes efficaces – pour diminuer drastiquement la consommation de carburant et faire chuter les émissions de CO2 des moteurs diesel – EPA le sait (et d’autres) –
l’injection directe fragilise les moteurs –
mais tout ceci n’est pas dans l’intérêt des constructeurs, ni dans celui des pétroliers
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steverichards1984 says: March 6, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Another of Professor David Mackay’s poor ‘misinterpreted’ statements….
where he suggests that solar panels on an electric car roof will supply 800W which will be sufficient to run a car air conditioning compressor.
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And another misleading statement by Prof David Mackay is that an electric motor running at 95% efficiency, will provide enough residual heat to warm and demist the interior of the car. In truth, if you run an electric car in Canada in the winter, you have two choices.
a. Freeze your rocks off.
b. Have a 5 mile range.
What we have here, is a scientific advisor who is a rampant Greenie, and he is the one advising the UK government on energy policy. It is no wonder that our energy policy is a crock of do-do.
Where are the ten nuclear power stations we need?
Where is the thorium research?
Where is the positive government backing for fracking?
Where is the truth about the Ukrainian situation?
.. (ie: We cannot intervene in Ukraine, because Russia will turn the gas off next winter.)
Politically, economically, and socially, the UK (and much of Europe) are on the cusp of an energy crisis, with looming blackouts, and our governments play the fiddle while the city London goes dark. Nero fell on his sword. Will cameron do the same?
Ralph
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-pathology-of-americas-liberal-worldview-an-african-american-perspective/5372200
concerning thorium researches, it was ready – before 1970 – three scientists knew, one was américain, another one was japonese and the last one was french : Professor Edgard Nazare –
concerning ukraine, I read many articles very interesting, the last one was form Switzerland, but it is all in france
Another Geologist’s Take says: March 6, 2014 at 11:31 am
The analysis to be fair needs also to consider the generous subsidies that the oil, natural gas and coal industries get from our governments. They are substantial and have been around for decades.
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Absolute tosh.
In fact, that is tosh of the century.
Those are not subsidies for the oil industry, they are investments.
In reality, UK government finances depend in a great part on the huge taxes that they levy on oil and gas products. Thus they know that if they INVEST a little money to open a new and difficult oil/gas field, they will get their money back in spades when the product comes on-stream.
With renewables, the government subsidises the infrastructure, and then CONTINUES TO SUBSIDISE the end product (electricity) through the Renewable Obligation Certificates – which are a shadow taxation scheme levied on your electric bills.
In summary, the oil and gas industrues get no net subsidy, because their production pays back taxes that are greater than the subsidy BY SEVERAL ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. They are net contributors to the government purse. In fact, many governments around the world would be bankrupt within the year, were it not for the huge profits from oil and gas.
Ralph
What is limiting the life of internal combustion engine cars NOW is the futuristic insistence upon computer-controlled engine as a means for eeking out a tiny bit more mileage relative to a carburetor.
That savings in fuel and pollution has a down-side: your car has much more expensive, unique/idiosyncratic parts to repair/replace, and this requires a level of diagnostic tools and repair training than the ol’ carbureted internal combustion engine.
ANY repair has the $70 diagnostic code ante. The computer diagnostics are often wrong, requiring trial-and-error to cure the problem.
This has an effect on lower-wage earners: they cannot reliably get an auto that can be brought up to spec without great expense. Let’s face it: when we professional-wage-earners hit that point when the computer goes whacky, we simply want ot dump the car on the dealer, who wants to dump it on another dealer, who wants to dump it on the low-wage working man, or we try to dump it on the low-wage working man ourselves.
In the ol’ days, plenty of things could be done to a car to keep it going down the road a few more miles in a relatively safe and relatively efficient manner. You could get tired of a car, or it could have a major problem -valve job, transmission, – but could be brought back to spec with either a fairly realistic though big price tag, or a lot of knowledge, a pick-a-part yard, and a shade tree.
Now, that price tag to get a 15-year -old computer-controlled internal combustion engine car running is huge. The working man is shafted worse than a set of connector rods.
It has been noted that the green-tax on everything provides a greater hurt upon the lower-income people. So does this computer-controlled-car-repair-tax. The low-income wage-earner is in a much more precarious position, and is forced to a position of lower productivity, when cars become increasingly expensive to keep running as they age, due to the electronically-controlled engines.
S, yes, an internal combustion engine car can be kept running far longer than a battery-operated car. Things could be even better over the life of the car, and for the working man, if we devoted energy to ever-improving the internal combustion engine by making it ever-more reliable, including beyond the 10-year or 15-year mark.
TheLastDemocrat says:
March 6, 2014 at 11:18 pm>>>>
Never really thought of it that way, but I think you are right.
Chaori Solar would also be one to avoid:
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26464901
Mark Luhman says:
March 6, 2014 at 10:03 pm
David Wells
Any modern car should be able to do well over 200,000 miles. I drove my 1985 Chev Nova (Toyota Corolla) to the junk yard at 405,000 miles. It still ran but salt roads hes taken to big of a toll on the body. My present vehicle is at 155,000 and I expect it to run for at least that much more.
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Prius Taxis routinely clock up 700,000 km in 5-years of 24-7 operation (legal mandatory retirement is at five years service). This is without anything more than routine servicing.
But their planetary gear set is often about shot at that point, and may strip off teeth if worked hard from there. The combustion and electric engines do not lose power with time, and do not wear out, if serviced as per the book.
sorry “all in french”