Truth is often stranger than fiction, and Al Gore’s missives are often stranger than both. Robert Schaefer writes:
I just got back from the 2014 International UFO Congress, the largest UFO conference in the world, where somebody was passing out the following to the attendees (a double-sided paper on orange stock). Looks like Al Gore is using Extraterrestrials to help fight Global Warming!
On another matter, the Randi Foundation has not yet posted the video of Michael Mann’s talk on their YouTube channel. I suspect that Mann may not want them to.
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Either this is a joke being perpetrated by somebody at the conference just for fun, or it’s a sign of desperation, something I can surely understand when you look at graphs like this:
Lower rank numbers are better, for example, Google is #1.
For the record, I don’t believe in Aliens/UFO’s on Earth (with millions of cell phone cameras you’d think we’d have a decent picture by now) or Al Gore’s global warming claims. – Anthony
I cannot understand the logic!
1) As has been mentioned several times, the atmosphere of Venus is the same density as our oceans would be at a depth of 10 miles. I doubt very much if there was anything like the potential to release CO2 into our atmosphere.
2) On what basis does Gore think that aliens require more heat than we do? Exobiology is a unique science in that it has no specimens to research.
3) Unless these “aliens” have a Star Trek warp drive technology they could not travel through interstellar space in a reasonable time, because as their velocity increased, so would the shortening of waves of oncoming electromagnetic radiation, turning light, microwaves and radio waves into deadly X Rays and gamma rays, killing the occupants.
This moronic rubbish was trumpeted about two years ago(?) by some NASA “scientist” who was slapped down by his superiors.
To serve man…
Gawf! OK, let’s peg this sucker down:
1. We have a misanthrope
2. Who has a gigantic anthropocentrism complex
3. Who is now trying to co-opt space aliens … anyway?
What I wrote yesterday about aliens not liking anthropes was a joke Al, you did not have to take it so personally mate … ROFL … you is weird man … get a new hobby-horse mate, those aliens don;t mess about with the anal probes … or is that what this is all about? lol 😀
MattS says:
February 17, 2014 at 5:47 pm
You forgot to mention that aside from composition, the mass of the atmospheres of the three planets is different and the more massive the atmosphere the warmer the planet.
Venus 4.8×10^20 kg
Earth 5.1×10^18 kg
Mars 2.5×10^16 kg
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I’m gonna be rash and say to someone who may know better, doesn’t pressure-density have anything to do with heat? It may be an accurate observation of the three numbers, but does it mean anything in dynamic terms?
If tropical Earth is ~20 C at sea level, and -45C at 45K ft, and warms from there upwards? How is planetary total atmospheric mass determining anything with regard to observed average heat?
MattN says:
February 17, 2014 at 6:19 pm
Why didn’t they colonize during the Roman or MWP? You know, when it was warmer than it is now.
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We weren’t such engaging conversationalists back then and out pocket watches hadn’t been miniaturized so did not allow much for fashion sense, and frankly it all looks a bit weird anyway. But now we’re so powerful and smart that we can control the whole planet and make it do stuff, and we have cargo pants. Alien chicks go for that, just ask Al.
Jimbo says:
February 17, 2014 at 3:37 pm
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Earth has 0.4% Co2 in its atmosphere. Temperature = 15°C
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Is this correct? I thought it was 0.04%. I’ve been telling people “four cents out of a hundred bucks.” If I’ve got the decimal point in the wrong place, someone straighten me out before I make a worse fool out of myself! If this is the worst crisis ever to have faced mankind – or not – we need to try to get it right…
John from the EU says:
February 17, 2014 at 9:43 pm
With ridiculous claims like that from Al Gore I am sure the end is very, very near for the alarmists.
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That may be John, but have you heard obama and the other git (the one in the UK PM’s chair, not the one in the Palace) over the past few days? The alarmists may be a decimated rump, but this is not really about science, not for them, it never has been for them, it started as a wacky fringe movement, and it will end the same way, or more likely shape-shift their ideas a bit. They already tried with the acid oceans that are rally alkali and also have a natural variability – like duh.
But when the only tool politicians and commonwealth science organizations and met-office heads have is a CAGW hammer, when referring to prosaic weather (and they now even admit it!) then they’re going to keep pounding an imaginary nail into a vacuum of no ideas, for some time to come. Same for the global sock-puppet script-reading ‘news’ media infestation (where do they get them from??)
So laughing at CAGW hammer-holders is the valid response.
“Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists.”- The Guardian-Ian Semple, Friday, 19 August,2011.-
Rising greenhouse emissions could tip off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat, warns a report.
” when they see what a mess we’ve made of our planet, extraterrestrials may be forced to take drastic action”.
How can you parody this ?
Frank Kotler:
At February 18, 2014 at 12:39 am you rightly say of the Earth’s atmospheric CO2 concentration
Yes, you are right.
Jimbo made a typographical error.
It is easy to do, and I made the same error as recently as yesterday.
Many people – including me – have difficulty proof reading our own typing because we tend to ‘see’ what we intended to type and not what we did type. It seems that Jimbo shares that problem with me. It is why a ‘preview’ facility would be useful because the change to format may help with the proof reading.
Richard
Frank Kotler says:
February 18, 2014 at 12:39 am
Yes, Earth has 0.04% CO2 in its atmosphere, not 0.4%.
On Wikipedia I found the value 0.0397%.
Another way to show it would be ‘400 parts per 1,000,000’. Similar to the campaigning group called 350.org. 0.04% is a much better way to show this really, really tiny figure. Most people can get their heads round a % but a ‘part per million’ is almost alien…
Janice Moore says:
February 17, 2014 at 8:09 pm
Re: “C’mon Jimbo, you know that is not an equal comparison.” (Tom in Florida at 7:21pm today)
It may not be complete or “equal,” however, given this:
The ClimateReality Project poster says:
“A blanket of climate warming gases like carbon dioxide can affect temperature as much as distance from the Sun. That’s why Venus is way hotter than Mercury!“
{Jimbo at 3:37pm today — emphasis mine}
– it is fair.
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The atmospheric density of Venus is ~65 kg/m3, Earth is 1.2 kg/m3 and Mars is .02kg/m3.
So JImbo’s point of comparing these planets % of Co2 vs temperature is not “fair”, nor equal.
It would be better and more useful to ask the AGWers to explain the failure of CO2 to keep deserts warm at night (as CO2 is supposed to be such a powerful climate warming gas).
I realized this yesterday while out in town. So it’s actually worse than we thought.
Matt I did briefly mention the atmosphere and pressure but wanted to keep my comment down.
Al is speaking in Kansas City sometime this week. I am considering protesting. Any good ideas for a sign?
My apologies for putting up the video, I actually couldn’t be bothered to listen! Sorry you wasted your time.
Tom in Florida says:
February 17, 2014 at 7:21 pm
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I know. That is why I put it up. Read what the ClimateReality Project poster said. I was using their own silly tactics. I did mention that THEY omitted atmosphere and pressure as well as Earth’s water vapor, the most important greenhouse gas according to the IPCC.
My mistake which I realised while out, but it merely strengthens my point of comparison between what the poster says and the ridiculousness of its claim does it not?
Tom in Florida, my point was to make a silly claim just like the poster from Gore’s project. It’s very close to Reductio ad absurdum.
Jimbo says:
February 18, 2014 at 6:52 am
“Tom in Florida, my point was to make a silly claim just like the poster from Gore’s project. It’s very close to Reductio ad absurdum.”
Got it. Usually I don’t miss the point, just getting old I guess. Or perhaps my tin foil hat that prevents alien control of my brain got in the way.
BTW, the aliens are already here, residing in peace in Arcadia, FL.
LET ME TRY AGAIN.
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The ClimateReality Project poster rather unfairly says-
Let me ignore atmospheric pressure, thickness, Earth’s water vapour etc. and use their own line of argument.
Venus has 96% Co2 in its atmosphere. Temperature = 460 °C
Mars has 95.9% Co2 in its atmosphere. Temperature = −55 °C
Earth has 0.04% Co2 in its atmosphere. Temperature = 15°C
As you can see using their line of argument is not fair. The Earth is not Venus. Blah, blah, blah, blah………….
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VENUS ENVY. Well worth a read.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/08/venus-envy/
OK Tom in Florida , I posted then I saw your post. Thanks.
>For the record, I don’t believe in Aliens/UFO’s on Earth (with millions of cell phone cameras you’d think we’d have a decent picture by now)
Nor do I believe in Sasquatch / Yeti. Billions of hikers/hunters/campers on earth, and you’d think we’d have a swatch of hide or a tooth by now.
@John
“About 1 km down where it is a million millions of degrees.”
FTFY
Grrr… stupid HTML…
Humans are not rational beings. Why would aliens want to come to Earth, whatever the temperature?
Janice Moore.
I did not say that I despise your faith.
I simply agreed with David that a supernatural magical deity is less plausible than stories about material alien visitors that are (unlike deities) subject to the properties of the cosmos.
Did you know that when you add all the positive energy from E=MC^2 (matter, light & motion) to all the negative energy available from gravitation,
it all cancels out,
and you end up with a sum total of zero energy?
That’s what the entire universe is made from — nothing, or zero divided into positive and negative domains.
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“The matter of the universe is made out of positive energy. However, the matter is all attracting itself by gravity. Two pieces of matter that are close together have less energy than the same two pieces a long way apart, because you have to expend energy to separate them against the gravitational force that is pulling them together. Thus, in a sense, the gravitational field has negative energy. In the case of a universe that is approximately uniform in space, one can show that this negative gravitational energy exactly cancels the positive energy represented by matter. So the total energy of the universe is zero.”
– Stephen W. Hawking, Brief History of Time, p. 136.
= = = = = = = =
So I have nothing to explain, whereas you have to explain the origin of your deity.
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Khwarizmi:
You can believe or not believe whatever you want. That is your God-given right.
But you have no right to demand that Ms Moore has to explain anything, especially when your demand is based on your – not her – ignorance. Despite that, at February 18, 2014 at 1:36 pm you say to her
Your ignorance of the meanings of eternity and infinity does not give you the right to demand that anybody “has to explain” them to you or to anybody else. And such matters are out of place in this forum.
The problem with many atheists is their desire to proselytise their religion while trying to delude themselves and others that atheism is not a belief of similar kind to deism.
Please have more respect for the beliefs of others and promote your religion elsewhere. Stating one’s beliefs on WUWT is often appropriate but WUWT is not the place for anybody to promote their religion to others: such promotion is divisive and pointless here.
Richard
richardscourtney says:
February 18, 2014 at 1:58 pm
1. I am not a believer.
I am anti-belief, pro-knowledge, pro-understanding and pro-evidence.
Faith is not part of my constitution.
Belief is a messy umbrella term that introduces mud into every conversation in which it is used.
The word “belief” is counterproductive to clarity and precision in communication.
Beliefs weave themselves into a person’s sense of identity, to the degree that a challenge to a belief often presents itself as a threat to the believer.
Belief is a bad idea:
http://nobeliefs.com/beliefs.htm
2. Your supernatural deity did not give me any “rights.” Stop proselytizing at me.
All of my rights were won by human beings, and enshrined in legislation by human beings.
Rosa Parks, for example, paracticed the art of civil disobedience by refusing to sit at the back of a bus, and it wasn’t a deity who said she had the “right” to do so.
There are no rights in the universe until an interpretive agent arises that demands them. In other words, “rights” are a social construct.
But Janice was evidently ignorant of the argument in which you get a universe from nothing, or she wouldn’t have said:
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Ah, think a moment… and you will realize that you, too, ultimately rely on faith, just as does someone who has faith that God is. Claiming that UFO’s (and then, that their makers) just — POOF! — appeared out of nothing from no guiding Intelligence at all takes an ENORMOUS amount of faith!
– Janice Moore
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And that’s what I was responding to, Richard.
It’s disingenuous of you to pretend that I was making a demand of Janice, when I was merely noting that if, on the false understanding that “something can’t come from nothing,” the existence of a universe is supposed to be evidence of a creative deity, then that deity (being “something,” afterall) also must require a causative explanation.
But of course, if you know that the universe is seething with the spontaneous creation and annihilation of virtual particle pairs, then you don’t have a something-from-nothing argument to support your faith-based deity hypothesis in the first place, and you will never get stuck in an infinite recursion loop of causation.
Interestingly, it didn’t bother you that Janice shoved words in my mouth that I didn’t actually utter.
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David and Kharizimi: Well, we despise your faith.
– Janice Moore
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Notice how she didn’t quote me?
Janice is often seen proselytizing around here (“I prayed for you!”), and it doesn’t bother me one bit. It apparently doesn’t bother you either.
But if an non-theist proudly defends his/her rational explanatory stance for a moment, your big nose gets put out of joint.
Obviously you have double standards.
Finally, your bombastic verbage about my alleged ignorance of the meaning of common terms is not worthy of a response.