2013 was 4th warmest year in the satellite era
From University of Alabama, Hunstville.
Global climate trend since Nov. 16, 1978: +0.14 C per decade
December temperatures (preliminary)
Global composite temp.: +0.27 C (about 0.49 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for December.
Northern Hemisphere: +0.27 C (about 0.49 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for December.
Southern Hemisphere: +0.26 C (about 0.47 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for December.
Tropics: +0.06 C (about 0.11 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for December.
November temperatures (revised):
Global Composite: +0.19 C above 30-year average
Northern Hemisphere: +0.16 C above 30-year average
Southern Hemisphere: +0.23 C above 30-year average
Tropics: +0.02 C above 30-year average
(All temperature anomalies are based on a 30-year average (1981-2010) for the month reported.)
Global map for December:
For the year:
Notes on data released Jan. 3, 2014:
2013 was the fourth warmest year in the satellite era, trailing only 1998, 2010 and 2005, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. The warmest areas during the year were over the North Pacific and the Antarctic, where temperatures for the year averaged more than 1.4 C (more than 2.5 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer than normal. There were small areas of cooler than normal temperatures scattered about the globe, including one area over central Canada where temperatures were 0.6 C (about 1.1 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than the 30-year norm.
Global average temperature
(Departures from 30-year norm, degrees C)
1. 1998 0.419
2. 2010 0.398
3. 2005 0.260
4. 2013 0.236
5. 2002 0.218
6. 2009 0.209
7. 2007 0.204
8. 2003 0.187
9. 2006 0.186
10. 2012 0.170
11. 2011 0.130
12. 2004 0.108
13. 2001 0.107
14. 1991 0.020
15. 1987 0.013
16. 1995 0.013
17. 1988 0.012
18. 1980 -0.008
19. 2008 -0.009
21. 1981 -0.045
22. 1997 -0.049
24. 1983 -0.061
25. 2000 -0.061
26. 1996 -0.076
27. 1994 -0.108
29. 1989 -0.207
31. 1993 -0.245
34. 1985 -0.309
Compared to seasonal norms, in December the warmest area on the globe was the northeastern Pacific Ocean, where the average temperature for the month was 4.91 C (about 8.8 degrees F) warmer than seasonal norms. The coolest area was in central Manitoba, near Lake Winnipeg, where temperatures in the troposphere were 5.37 C (almost 9.7 degrees F) cooler than seasonal norms.
Archived color maps of local temperature anomalies are available on-line at:
As part of an ongoing joint project between UA Huntsville, NOAA and NASA, Christy and Dr. Roy Spencer, an ESSC principal scientist, use data gathered by advanced microwave sounding units on NOAA and NASA satellites to get accurate temperature readings for almost all regions of the Earth. This includes remote desert, ocean and rain forest areas where reliable climate data are not otherwise available.
The satellite-based instruments measure the temperature of the atmosphere from the surface up to an altitude of about eight kilometers above sea level. Once the monthly temperature data is collected and processed, it is placed in a “public” computer file for immediate access by atmospheric scientists in the U.S. and abroad.
Neither Christy nor Spencer receives any research support or funding from oil, coal or industrial companies or organizations, or from any private or special interest groups. All of their climate research funding comes from federal and state grants or contracts.
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Dr. Roy Spencer’s report:
The Version 5.6 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for December, 2013 is +0.27 deg. C, up from +0.19 deg. C in November (click for full size version):
The global, hemispheric, and tropical LT anomalies from the 30-year (1981-2010) average for the last 12 months are:
YR MON GLOBAL NH SH TROPICS
2013 01 +0.496 +0.512 +0.481 +0.387
2013 02 +0.203 +0.372 +0.033 +0.195
2013 03 +0.200 +0.333 +0.067 +0.243
2013 04 +0.114 +0.128 +0.101 +0.165
2013 05 +0.082 +0.180 -0.015 +0.112
2013 06 +0.295 +0.335 +0.255 +0.220
2013 07 +0.173 +0.134 +0.211 +0.074
2013 08 +0.158 +0.111 +0.206 +0.009
2013 09 +0.365 +0.339 +0.390 +0.189
2013 10 +0.290 +0.331 +0.250 +0.031
2013 11 +0.193 +0.160 +0.226 +0.020
2013 12 +0.265 +0.273 +0.257 +0.057
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James Abbott says:
January 3, 2014 at 4:57 pm
“Halving the CO2 concentration in the real atmosphere takes us to levels that correspond with the deepest phases of the ice ages (below 200ppm) – when global mean temperature was 4C to 7C colder than now.”
Thought I have read some rubbish in my time, but this is difficult to beat. The major ice ages were not caused because only 200 ppm of CO2 were there. Rather 200 ppm CO2 levels were low because there was little plant life and the much colder oceans contained most of the carbon.
http://www.middleschoolchemistry.com/img/content/multimedia/chapter_5/lesson_8/solubility_curve_carbon_dioxide_big.jpg
It was only during the 1850s when CO2 levels were around 280 ppm.. Global temperatures have only risen around 0.6c (HADCRUD) from this point with a increase in CO2 120 ppm. Therefore you believe with an increase in CO2 80 ppm that this caused solely a rise in temperature between 3.4c and 6.4c. Should analyse and research made up rubbish like this and think for yourself before committing a opinion..
Typo – HADCRUT of course and the link below.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1870/trend/offset:0.25
@James Baldwin Abbott
James, since you are so persistent with your question in regards to the temp change when all CO2 is removed and none here able to answer that, as can be expected, I can only assume that you have information on hand that lets you believe that you know what the difference is.
So why don’t you enlighten us with your assumed answer and what research that answer is based on?
Or would that be making an ass out of u and me?
I’m disappointed in Dr. Spencer – the data came with error margins, correct Dr.? Tell us how you calculated those error margins. Now, with properly calculated error margins, is 2013 really the 4th warmest or are 3, 6 or 12 different years tied for 1st through 12th? I suspect the correct answer is “We really can’t measure with the accuracy Dr. Spencer appears to claim.” But it makes headlines easy for the English majors.
@gareth Phillips
I thought the point was that CO2 is responsible for accelerated warming and that it must be reduced because its causing catastrophic climate change. Please point at the catastrophic climate change in the graph.
Two additions to the conversation:
A. tobias: russet potatoes
B. re: What would happen if we take out CO2? Not the right question. What would happen if we took out just the anthropogenic portion? Again not the right question. The right question is in two parts:
1. What is the amount of energy required (added or subtracted) to shift the flat-line global temperature average up or down in an extended trend?
2. How much additional energy does anthropogenic CO2 provide? Science tells us not enough so changes in water vapor are added to the modeled equation. It is the change in water vapor that changes temperature. The real question is this: How much change in water vapor is necessary to shift the flat-line global temperature average up or down in an extended trend?
The second part of the question is falsifiable. One must measure water vapor content over a significant period of time and then ask: Has there been a change in water vapor over this same period of time that would provide the additional energy needed to increase the surface global temperature average?
James Abbott says [in no particular order – he’s all over the map]:
So the issue is how much of a role does CO2 have in warming the Earth… it does not look like I will get an answer…
OK James, try to pay attention: At current and projected CO2 concentrations, adding more CO2 will only have a minuscule effect. Why? Because the effect is logarithmic. You can figure the warming effect pretty easily from that chart. It isn’t much. In fact, it is too small to measure with current technology. This has been explained to you several times now, but you ignore it, or worse, you re-frame the argument to mean something different, and then you complain that no one will answer your question.
Next, you say:
…the sceptic community wants the world to believe that going the other way, from pre-industrial CO2 levels of 280ppm to the nearly 400ppm now, and higher in the future, will have a “negligable”, “unimportant”, etc affect [sic]…
The ‘sceptic community’ simply asks questions, and points out when a conjecture like CO2=CAGW is scientific nonsense. We do not “want the world to believe…”. But to answer you, yes, there will be only a negligible effect, just as there was when CO2 rose from 2.8 parts in 10,000 to 4 parts in 10,000: nothing happened.
You also say:
With a doubling of CO2 concentration above pre-industrial levels, the IPCC in its recent report states that… “Global surface temperature change for the end of the 21st century is likely to exceed 1.5°C relative to 1850 to 1900 for all RCP scenarios except RCP2.6. It is likely to exceed 2°C…”
Please, James. You confuse the IPCC’s narrative with real science. Maybe the IPCC tried to be scientific in AR-1, but like Snow White, they drifted. Look at the chart above again. You will see that due to the log nature of the CO2 warming effect, the rise in global temperature due to CO2 rising from 2.8 parts in 10,000 to 5 parts in 10,000 is a tiny fraction of a degree, certainly too small to measure. Go ahead, see for yourself. How much temperature change is there from 280 ppmv, to 500 ppmv?
As David Hoffer says:
“…while CO2 is quite obviously a GHG, with properties that can easily be quantified in a laboratory setting, the cumulative effect in the atmosphere as a whole yields a sensitivity far lower than presumed in the climate models themselves…. and the observational data vindicates us on that point.”
Which is exactly my position. I have stated many times that CO2 probably has some minor effect on temperature. But that effect, at current concentrations, is too small to measure.
You also say:
It is claimed by many sceptics that CO2 in the atmosphere is unimportant. dbstealey appears to believe that referring to the “carbon scare” and that recent warming is “normal” ie not associated with rising carbon dioxide concentration.
Yes, exactly. CO2 has some minuscule effect. But it is too small to measure. Therefore, the “carbon” scare is debunked nonsense. It is a scare tactic intended to generate fear in the public, thus making it easier to raise taxes. But there is nothing in the real world that supports the scare. Global temperatures are not doing as endlessly predicted by the alarmist crowd, and the radiative physics you refer to show conclusively that a rise in that tiny trace gas to 5 parts per 10,000, or even 6 parts per 10,000, will be beneficial to the biosphere, but otherwise will cause no global harm.
Next, your ad hominem attacks [“the discredited Monckton”] indicate frustration that the real world is falsifying your belief system. Lord Monckton is a stand-up guy, who backs his arguments with verifiable, testable scientific facts and evidence. You could learn a lot from that.
Finally, Mario Lento has pointed out to you:
“…you are not precisely understanding what is said, and then you paraphrase or take out of context what is said. So you make up an argument in your own mind. This is not how to have a conversation.”
Word up, James.
James Abbott
Re: CO2 influence on the GH effect.
1. If all other ghgs were removed EXCEPT for CO2 then about 24% of the greenhouse effect would remain.
2. If CO2 were removed but all other ghgs remained in their current concentrations then about 91% of the greenhouse effect would remain.
This is because there is considerable overlap in the absorption bands of the various gases.
Re: my post
John Finn says:
January 3, 2014 at 6:34 pm
From previous post it can be seen that CO2 contributes between 9% and 24% of the total ‘greenhouse’ effect. But that’s not the real issue. The real question is how much does the concentration of other greenhouse gases (in particular – water vapour) change in response to an addition (or reduction) of CO2, i.e. What is the feedback factor?
The models get around the CO2 logarithmic affect by saying that increased CO2 causes increased water vapor which increased the greenhouse affect and warms everything which allows more CO2 which creates more water vapor. It is the water vapor that re-radiates LW infrared. The questions need to center on increased water vapor, not CO2.
I’ve seen estimates that the rise in CO2 over the past 50 years has been responsible for a 15% increase in foodstuff production worldwide. Other factors have also added to the increase.
The question is how much deleterious impact to worldwide foodstuff production has the temperature increase due to the same CO2 increase caused?
I submit they’re offsetting–that the 15% increase includes both the positive and the negative impact.
And that 15% increase is a very significant gain;it helps avert starvaton.
Now, if it were DOWN 15%, the Warmistas would have an argument, but they don’t because it isn’t.
They complain while getting fat on the benefits.
Hypocricy, anyone?
Here an excerpt from a Judith Curry discussion of a recent article in Nature Climate Change that has some bearing on the discussion (and certainly seems at odds with the trend implied by the UA data).
Curry quotes from the article:
Global mean surface temperature over the past 20 years (1993–2012) rose at a rate of 0.14 ± 0.06 °C per decade (95% confidence interval). This rate of warming is significantly slower than that simulated by the climate models participating in Phase 5 of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP5). To illustrate this, we considered trends in global mean surface temperature computed from 117 simulations of the climate by 37 CMIP5 models. By averaging simulated temperatures only at locations where corresponding observations exist, we find an average simulated rise in global mean surface temperature of 0.30 ± 0.02 °C per decade (using 95% confidence intervals on the model average). The observed rate of warming given above is less than half of this simulated rate, and only a few simulations provide warming trends within the range of observational uncertainty.
The inconsistency between observed and simulated global warming is even more striking for temperature trends computed over the past fifteen years (1998–2012). For this period, the observed trend of 0.05 ± 0.08 °C per decade is more than four times smaller than the average simulated trend of 0.21 ± 0.03 °C per decade. The divergence between observed and CMIP5- simulated global warming begins in the early 1990s, as can be seen when comparing observed and simulated running trends from 1970–2012.
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URL for the full Judith Curry blog post:
http://judithcurry.com/2013/08/28/overestimated-global-warming-over-the-past-20-years/
In reply to:
Gareth Phillips says:
January 3, 2014 at 12:37 pm
The point is Richard, the trend remains upwards.It may be a small amount, but it is still rising, not falling or staying still. Is there any objective evidence that we are at a peak and the trend will reverse?
William: There is recent observational evidence that is anomalous (cannot be explained by the current mechanisms, that points towards a missing mechanism) that supports the assertion that there will be imminent significant global cooling. All observed changes- recent and past – happened for a physical reasons and require a physical explanation. The pattern of warming observed in the last 40 years, primary high latitudinal warming with almost no warming in the tropical regions does not match the signature of warming if CO2 was the cause of the warming. As CO2 is more or less evenly distributed in the atmosphere and the warming due to the increase in CO2 is proportional to the amount of long wave radiation that is emitted at the region of the planet before the increase in CO2, the most amount of warming due to the CO2 increase should have occurred in the tropical region of the planet. That is not what is observed. The media and the warmist scientists have called the high latitude warming ‘polar amplification’, canary warning of the future, and so on, which hides the fact that is almost no warming in the tropical region and the general circulation models do not predict very. very, high amounts of high latitude warming. i.e. An anomaly indicates there are one or more fundamental error in a hypothesis. The normal process in science if the objective is to solve the problem is to discuss the anomaly which requires anomalies to be called anomalies rather than ‘polar amplification’ which is ridiculous.
The pattern of warming that was observed in the last 15 years (high latitude warming, cooling of the Antarctic ice sheet, see Bob Tisdale’s graph) is the same pattern of warming that is observed in the past and that is followed by a cooling cycle. http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/figure-72.png
That cyclic warming and cooling is called a Dansgaard-Oeschger cycle and has a pseudo period of 500 years and 1500 years between cycle sets. The Dansgaard-Oeschger cycle correlates with solar magnetic cycle changes. Recent high resolution Antarctic peninsula core data has found 340 cycles in the last 240,000 years in the Southern hemisphere with a time between events of 500 years and 1500 years. That is astonishing as it unequivocally shows that the forcing must be external (the sun) as there is no internal mechanism (earth based mechanism) that is capable of affecting both hemispheres simultaneously and that is periodic. Internal earth processes are chaotic and would not repeat.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/davis-and-taylor-wuwt-submission.pdf
Davis and Taylor: “Does the current global warming signal reflect a natural cycle”
“…We found 342 natural warming events (NWEs) corresponding to this definition, distributed over the past 250,000 years …. …. The 342 NWEs contained in the Vostok ice core record are divided into low-rate warming events (LRWEs; < 0.74oC/century) and high rate warming events (HRWEs; ≥ 0.74oC /century) (Figure). … ….The current global warming signal is therefore the slowest and among the smallest in comparison with all HRWEs in the Vostok record, although the current warming signal could in the coming decades yet reach the level of past HRWEs for some parameters. The figure shows the most recent 16 HRWEs in the Vostok ice core data during the Holocene, interspersed with a number of LRWEs. …. ….We were delighted to see the paper published in Nature magazine online (August 22, 2012 issue) reporting past climate warming events in the Antarctic similar in amplitude and warming rate to the present global warming signal. The paper, entitled "Recent Antarctic Peninsula warming relative to Holocene climate and ice – shelf history" and authored by Robert Mulvaney and colleagues of the British Antarctic Survey ( Nature , 2012, doi:10.1038/nature11391),reports two recent natural warming cycles, one around 1500 AD and another around 400 AD, measured from isotope (deuterium) concentrations in ice cores bored adjacent to recent breaks in the ice shelf in northeast Antarctica. ….”
It is known that solar magnetic cycle changes correlate with the past warming and cooling cycles. As the sun was at its highest solar magnetic cycle activity state in 11,000 years in the latter half of the 20th century and all of the past Dansgaard-Oeschger warming periods correlate with high active solar magnetic cycles, it is a no brainer to consider a case where the sun caused the warming. As all of the past Dansgaard-Oeschger warming cycles where immediately followed by a cooling cycle which correlate with a Maunder like minimum (the cycle planetary cooling events come in small, medium, and super large which if we take away a temperature change amplifying earth – multiple recent observations and analysis supports the assertion that the earth resists rather than amplifies forcing changes – lead to the conclusion that the sun is capable of a change to a state that can physically cause and does cause very significant and rapid cooling of the planet. Solar cycle 24 is the most rapid slowdown in solar magnetic cycle in 8000 years. There is now record sea in the Antarctic for every month of the year (high Antarctic sea ice for ever month of the year is not observed in the last 40 years) and there has been the fastest recovery of sea ice in the Arctic on record.
The observational fact that the Antarctic ice sheet has started to warm and that there is record Antarctic sea ice, indicates the polar see-saw has reversed. During the warming phase of a Dansgaard-Oeschger cycle the Antarctic ice sheet cools slightly and the Greenland ice sheet and the high latitude Northern and Southern Hemisphere warm significantly.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png
The following is an explanation of why that is true and a high level overview of the mechanisms. The cooling and warming is caused by either an increase or decrease of low level regional cloud cover by mechanisms that are directly and indirectly forced by changes of the solar magnetic cycle. A decrease in high latitude low level clouds causes an increase in high latitude temperatures in all high latitude regions except over the Antarctic ice sheet. The Antarctic ice sheet due to a very strong and persistent polar vortex is isolated from the Southern hemisphere, which reduces the amount of heat transfer from and to the Antarctic ice sheet. In the Antarctic the continuous high velocity winds breaks down the snow crystals on the ice sheet surface to form a shiny ice like surface on the ice sheet that has an albedo that is slightly greater than clouds. Low clouds warm due to an increase in water vapour in the atmosphere and cool due to high solar radiation reflected. The net effect on surface temperature for a reduction in low level cloud due to the very high albedo of the Antarctic ice sheet (greater than a low level cloud) is to cool over the Antarctic ice sheet and to warm in the other high latitude regions of the planet. A reduction in high latitude cloud cover explains the warming in the last 70 years and the slight cooling of the Antarctic ice sheet. An observation to support the assertion that the clouds caused that pattern of warming would be a reversal of the affected: cooling of both poles (excluding the Antarctic Ice sheet) and slight cooling of the Antarctic ice sheet in response the significant increase in GCR due to the abrupt slowdown in the solar magnetic cycle. (i.e. The CO2 mechanism is not reversal. If there is significant cooling that indicates something else caused the warming in the last 70 years and supports the assertion that the sun was the cause.)
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0612145v1
The Antarctic climate anomaly and galactic cosmic rays
Borehole temperatures in the ice sheets spanning the past 6000 years show Antarctica repeatedly warming when Greenland cooled, and vice versa (Fig. 1) [13, 14]. North-south oscillations of greater amplitude associated with Dansgaard-Oeschger events are evident in oxygenisotope data from the Wurm-Wisconsin glaciation[15]. The phenomenon has been called the polar see-saw[15, 16], but that implies a north-south symmetry that is absent. Greenland is better coupled to global temperatures than Antarctica is, and the fulcrum of the temperature swings is near the Antarctic Circle. A more apt term for the effect is the Antarctic climate anomaly.
@Rob 3:31
Thanks Rob, always nice to remind us how insignificant the claimed signal is in relation to the noise.
If the estimates of global ice are accurate, it is possible we are experiencing a slight cooling globally.
Unfortunately due to the adjustments to the temperature records we have no may to distinguish any trend from the available data.
Of course this being climatology, the adjusted data is without sin, error bars are not desired, I mean required.
Thanks for the info on the satellite sensor error bars, it is well hid and carefully not fully explained.
There was a WUWT post on the science of measurements, a couple of years ago.
This whole business of anomalies,selective mean average global temperatures and pattern spotting in the noise makes climatology, at least that of temperature changes, no more than theology.
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
What meaning does 4th warmest average global temperature, over a 30 year period, have for long term trends?
What value has a claim of 0.8C temperature increase from data with a visual error of +/- 1C and instrument error of about the same?
Finally does anyone know if the MET has managed to regather the temperature records the CRU crew destroyed? They did say 3 years.
So….temperatures have been declining since 1998. What’s the fuss?
For the life of me, I don’t understand how climate scientists and their religious supporters can spout the CO2 nonsense. My doctoral thesis in 1989 (in Engineering Mechanics) involved the use of an infrared camera, so I had to become acutely aware of the IR absorption characteristics of atmospheric gases. Even a casual glance at the data (see Figure 6.3 in the pdf file linked below – which I just found in a quick internet search) shows that CO2 only has a major IR absorption impact between roughly 4.2 and 4.5 microns, and CO2 was already at saturation effect(100% absorption) in this band before human impact, so further CO2 increases are not going to have a majorimpact. There is also a sizeable impact of CO2 centered around 15 microns, where H20 achieves ~80% absorption and CO2 takes it up to full saturation. CO2 has a broader absorption band here, but on the far end (>14 microns), H20 is already achieveing 100% absorption. Towards the 12 micron end of this absorption band, increasing CO2 levels will cause additional absorption and hence “global warming,” but Beer’s law clearly limits the impact. For all other significant CO2 absorption wavelengths, H20 is already achieving 100% absorption, so take CO2 up to 5000ppm if you like, it will have no impact in these bands.
If you look at the bottom of Fig. 6.3 (overall IR absorption of the atmosphere) and compare it to the gases shown, I think we know who the real culprit is that keeps the earth warm at night, except in desert regions of course. Funny how this very simple desert analogy is never mentioned by the AGW religious zealots.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Firina.eas.gatech.edu%2FEAS8803_Fall2009%2FLec6.pdf&ei=mnfHUumKNoff2AW4oYCoAg&usg=AFQjCNFtA4bTgD7EDLqZcQCDnAibKHMdew&bvm=bv.58187178,d.b2I
Cental Ontario, Canada last summer experienced a non-summer. It snowed on the 24th of May. We had one hot week in July then it cooled so much that I had to turn my heat back on until the last week of August when we had a warm week. Corn would not mature because it was so cold. It frosted the first week of Sept. This was the 4th warmest summer? I had my comforter on all summer except for 5 nights. I guess we should stop using global temperatures and use regional temperatures. I feel badly for Canadians now, minus 30 or so across Canada and just about every province is having rolling blackouts. Why? Because they believed in green energy and there is no wind or the turbines are frozen.
1) Has anyone determined what caused the huge January 2013 anomaly? That value itself (along with a little carry over into Feb/Mar) had a big impact on the 2013 average. Where did that energy come from? Clearly, it has nothing to do with CO2 as it was short term.
2) 2013 is the year of solar maximum. Bill Illis covered this somewhat and I always expected 2013 to hold a little higher due to this factor.
3) The AMO is still at the top of its cycle.
The future holds a continued decrease in the PDO and AMO and solar cycle 24. Another anomalous warming like January 2013 is unlikely. No sign of another El Niño. I doubt very much the small effect of CO2 warming will be able to keep up with these other factors.
James Abbott says:
January 3, 2014 at 2:07 pm says: Greenland is losing net ice mass and sea ice extent is currently close to 2 SDs below the 1981 – 2010 mean.
Why do you think it’s named “Greenland”?
Gareth Phillips at 2:57 pm
Hi Rob, I have a sneaking suspicion the instruments used to record this data are a lot more specific and calibrated than a hardware thermometer.
Gareth that’s sorta actually my point, hardware store thermometers have about the same accuracy of these measurements if you consider the variables in calculation and the time perspective involved. Thanks for the critique though
I use many 100 ohm RTD 3 wire temp sensors
They are highly accurate but not .27 dec C lol
“Please, James. You confuse the IPCC’s narrative with real science. Maybe the IPCC tried to be scientific in AR-1, but like Snow White, they drifted.”
Dbstealey, who exactly are you? What have you published? Why should your opinion have more weight than that of the many actual scientists that contributed to the IPCC?
Make that UPPER Tropical Troposphere.
I believe (I hope I’m right) that’s from its Summary for Policymakers, not from its more recent Final AR5 WG1. See the recent thread by Monckton pointing to this camouflaged climbdown:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/24/monckton-of-meteorology-and-morality/
Joe says:
Why should your opinion have more weight than that of the many actual scientists that contributed to the IPCC?
Joe, why should the opinion of the World Wildlife Fund — an NGO — have more weight than many of the IPCC scientists? If you will recall, the WWF, an enviro group with an agenda, provided about 40% of the IPCC’s input. If the WWF can have that much influence over Policy, surely I can post a few observations in this discussion, no?
Your comment above is nothing but an ad hominem personal attack, which could equally apply to you, or to the WWF, or to the person I was replying to, or to anyone else. But you singled me out. Why?
I’ll tell you why: you did it to detract from the fact that you have nothing reasonable, logical, or science-based to counter what I posted. Try deconstructing my reasoning, and the links I posted — if you can.
Further, in another thread you responded to Janice Moore, saying:
“Do you think most people here read and understand those papers. Or do they simply accept the author’s interpretation of those findings?”
Which is it, Joe? Do you only accept what published scientists write? Or do you refuse to accept their interpretation? You can’t have it both ways. Not here, anyway. Maybe at one of your alarmist echo chambers, where only one side gets heard.
Joe, whoever wants to can put in their 2¢ here, so long as they’re discussing the article and/or the science being debated. Why don’t you try that, instead of getting personal?
John Finn says:
January 3, 2014 at 6:34 pm
From previous post it can be seen that CO2 contributes between 9% and 24% of the total ‘greenhouse’ effect.
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Okay, prove that. Can you?
And show me the predictive value of your theory with real world examples, Can you?
Read the WUWT archives, or the NIPCC report, and you’ll learn.