The Price Of Climate Hysteria
West Faces Liability Claims For Extreme Weather Disasters
Representatives of most of the world’s poor countries have walked out of increasingly fractious climate negotiations after the EU, Australia, the US and other developed countries insisted that the question of who should pay compensation for extreme climate events be discussed only after 2015. The orchestrated move by the G77 and China bloc of 132 countries came during talks about “loss and damage” – how countries should respond to climate impacts that are difficult or impossible to adapt to, such as typhoon Haiyan. –John Vidal, The Guardian, 20 November 2013
“The EU understands that the issue is incredibly important for developing countries. But they should be careful about … creating a new institution. This is not [what] this process needs,” said Connie Hedegaard, EU climate commissioner. She ruled out their most important demand, insisting: “We cannot have a system where we have automatic compensation when severe events happen around the world. That is not feasible.” –John Vidal, The Guardian, 20 November 2013
The devastation wreaked by Typhoon Haiyan has become a rallying cry at UN climate talks, where the Philippines and other developing nations are demanding aid guarantees for future damage from global warming. The demand has created another deep fault line in the divided negotiations, for rich nations see it as a potential trap, locking them into a never-ending liability for compensation. More than 130 developing states are now calling for an international “loss and damage” mechanism, bankrolled by wealthy nations, to be embedded in a 2015 global pact on climate change. —Agence France Press, 20 November 2013
Africa faces costs to adapt to the effects of climate change that will rise to $350 billion a year by the 2070s if governments fail to rein in runaway emissions, according to a report today from the UN Environment Program. The costs of adapting Africa’s infrastructure to the rising seas and stronger storms caused by global warming will likely total $7 billion to $15 billion by 2020 and “rise rapidly” thereafter because of ever-higher temperatures, UNEP said today in a report released at UN climate talks in Warsaw. –Alex Morales, Bloomberg 20 November 2013
The IPCC, despite the fact that it has made some missteps in the past, is exactly the sort of institution for providing scientific advice to help evaluate conflicting and uncertain empirical claims. In the case of loss and damage from extreme events, the evidence is extremely strong. There is at present no evidentiary basis to support demands for reparations.
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The proposal, advanced by the G77 plus China, that the US and other nations should pay tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars to poor countries that suffer disasters, is a central theme of the climate negotiations now taking place in Warsaw, Poland. Yet partial responsibility for the emergence of a debate on historical reparations lies squarely with President Obama. Despite the scientific evidence to the contrary, President Obama declared in his 2013 State of the Union Address that “Heat waves, droughts, wildfires, floods – all are now more frequent and more intense. We can choose to believe that Superstorm Sandy, and the most severe drought in decades, and the worst wildfires some states have ever seen, were all just a freak coincidence. Or we can choose to believe in the overwhelming judgment of science.” –Roger Pielke Jr., The Guardian, 19 November 2013
Long drawn arguments through two days of almost continuous negotiations broke out over the key decisions that the Warsaw meeting would make. A draft of the decisions brought out on Monday became the new battleground as developed countries tried to remove any difference in the responsibility thrust upon the developing countries from that of the rich nations. –Nitin Sethi, The Hindu, 20 November 2013
20% of the EU’s budget will go towards fighting climate change, climate commissioner Connie Hedegaard announced in Warsaw today. This equates to €180 billion on climate spending between 2014 and 2020. Much of this will be spent on domestic projects, helping with the development of climate-smart agriculture, energy efficiency and the transport sector. Speaking at a press conference in Warsaw today, EU climate commissioner Connie Hedegaard said that if the world is successfully going to tackle climate change “one of the things we need is to change is the whole economic paradigm, including the way we construct our budgets.” She added that Europe is the first region to construct its budget in this way. –Sophie Yeo, Responding to Climate Change, 20 November 2013
Poland’s prime minister Donald Tusk dismissed environment minister Marcin Korolec on Wednesday as part of a government reshuffle. Korolec will be replaced by Maciej Grabowski, former deputy finance minister responsible for preparing shale gas taxation. “It is about radical acceleration of shale gas operations. Mr Korolec will remain the government’s plenipotentiary for the climate negotiations,” Tusk told a news conference. His dismissal raised questions over Poland’s position in the negotiations. —Reuters, 20 November 2013
I simply hope that they stay out.
Well, tough! This is what happens when they want Global Socialism, over-rule & trample upon democracy, with unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable & unsackable EU Commissioners!!!al They started it all with their arrogant self-righteous posturing, just as we have an overstrained benefits system in the UK, the Global Community are looking at the $$$$$ signs, now of course, the corrupt ruling people in developing countries aren’t stupid, they no a scam when they see one & you can’t scam a scammer. They realise they can milk it for all it’s worth – literally!!! As I have said so many times, all this wealth-transfer malarkey will do is tax poor people in rich countries, & dole it out to rich people in poor countries! If memory serves, the 2009 Copenhagen Jamborie failed primarily not due to rich countries failing to agree something or anything, it failed because the poor countries didn’t want to sign up to a verification system that would identify where the money went & what it was spent on, always a sign of skulduggery slight of hand!!!!
So this means that if ‘the rain in Spain’ doesn’t fall ‘mainly in the plain’, the US has to give the Spanish money?
Bernhard Winkler says:
“I am an attorney representing the extinct Neanderthal species. The facts are “irrefutable” that Cro-Magnon was to blame for their extinction. Thus, as all of you are descendants of Cro-Magnon, reparations are due. Summons will be appearing in your mailbox soon.”
Woo-hoo, my ship has finally come in!
For years my ex has claimed I’m the sole surviving Neanderthal. And that means after Bernie takes his 1/3rd, I get what’s left!
@Louis Hooffstetter – A wife’s accusation are not proof of anything. If it were, a third of the married men on this planet would also be eligible based upon the say-so of their spouses. 😉
So let me think. Given India’s and China’s increasing CO2 output, I’d say that in about 10 years they will have put more CO2 into the atmosphere than the developed nations have combined since 1850. At that point I think the ‘undeveloped’ nations should be knocking on India’s and China’s door for ‘climate reparations’. Wonder how China and India will react to that?
Slowly I have feeeling the world becomes absolutely absurd. The capos of the poor, they make poor and which without any doubt want be rich and benefit from the civilization, want the rich to pay them besides for their poor imitations and ethnic knicks-knacks also additional money besides all that stollen international aid by the very capos, a compensation for non-existing anthropogenic warming, moreover arguably for the very existing CO2 fertilization of their land. And the rich even sing their song they help write the absurd text for as long as the paytime approaches too much.
This looks the whole CAGW absurdity ultimately moved into level of its second power.
At least the good Sun maybe inspired by the Gore-effect couldn’t stand it and will continue to give them the cool lesson most likely for rest of their poor lives.
I like the part that the Aussies weren’t ‘serious’ because they had the audacity to ‘consume snack food’ while the talks were going on. Presumably the ‘snack food’ was provided at the conference room and the Aussies didn’t bring their own. How dare they?
I once said to my boss, “sometimes you think you’re in a Kafka play”. He responded, “And sometimes you know”. I know
China: Are the Western leaders really as dumb as they appear?
China’s Buddies: We think so, but let’s devise a test so we can know for sure…
Fascinating.
Historically, wealthy countries like the USA and Europe have been quite generous when it comes to providing relief for natural disasters that arise in poorer countries. But now guarantees are being demanded.
It seems the entitlement mentality has reached epidemic proportions the world over with nation states demonstrating the same spoiled brat behaviors as the individual freeloaders.
It must hurt the poor, to be told than billions of dollars have been successfully stolen from taxpayers by the National Kleptocracies, in their name.
Yet when they hope for some benefit of the fraud they are being used as the face of…”sorry suckers”..
Such is the nature of dishonesty, by using the worlds poor,the environment and “mother” earth to promote theft, public backlash results in distain for any who attempt to raise money or support for any real initiatives on these concerns.
CAGW seems to mean, kill the poor, kill the trees and saturate the deltas.
Tom J:
…naming the following as plaintiffs: Al Gore, George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, Robert Redford, Nancy Pelosi, Maurice Strong, James Cameron, Daryl Hannah, Michael Moore, John Kerry, Prince Charles, Henry Waxman, Hillary Clinton, James Hanson (remember that 250K check?), Valerie Jarrett, Kennedy (take your pick), John Travolta, David Letterman, Bill Maher, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jerry Brown, Barack Obama…
nice list, Bono should be on….
The politicians in the developed countries have an easy way out. They will soon see that the earth is cooling, it will be impossible to hide, and will then be able to blame the UN and the NGOs for giving them bad advice. It won’t be their fault that they didn’t check the facts carefully enough. As it will then be clear that climate swings are not man made, no money will be due. Budget saved, politicians move on, NGOs look for another way to source funding. Maybe the developing world will then be allowed to borrow money to develop their own hydrocarbons without being forced to use CCS.
and that Boomtown Rats bloke, forgotten his name.
Tom J says:
November 20, 2013 at 7:18 am
Can I join your class-action lawsuit? Oh – and the oil companies for failing to send me their cheque.
Given how much the Warsaw conference has likely cost, maybe add all the politicians from the poor non-developed countrues who have the Swiss bank accounts. Their people are suffering from climate change while they live in climate controlled luxury.
Global warping.
China should pay reparations first to Europe for damages done by the Little Ice Age, which was either caused by the Song Dynasty industrial revolution or not.
But wasn’t China pumping out the most CO2 when the Philippines got hit?
I do wonder just how many of the Warsaw-Walkouts could answer this simple question:
What % of our atmosphere is CO2?
The is really no way round it – the answer has to be to 2 decimal places…
We’re not going to give you (poor countries) any money (to fight climate change) and now we’re not going to tell you (that we’re not giving you any money) until after 2015. Or the more politically correct statement that “yes we are going to spend a lot of money on climate change. This money will be spent domestically because we have the responsibility to clean up our own mess first”. Probably not what the poor countries signed up for.
It must be remembered that what was done as a favor many times will eventually turn into a duty.
the highest by population…used to be Kuwait
Now who in their right mind would consider Kuwait a developing country….and actually give them more money?
Tom J, Stephen Fox:
…naming the following as
plaintiffsdefendants:….There, fixed it for you. : > )
“Poor Countries Walk Out Of UN Climate Summit”
Don’t let the door hitya where the Good Lord splitya!
Let me rephrase that for ya.
If people want to get paid for weather events then just say so. Why the dishonesty? Hey, first you have to show it was caused by ‘climate change’ / aka Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming. Who is the judge? This is going to be interesting.