From Dr. Benny Peiser of the GWPF
Rich Nations Block Push To Count Past CO2 Emissions At UN Climate Summit
Japan set a new target for greenhouse gas emissions that critics say will set back United Nations talks for a treaty limiting fossil fuel emissions. The new target effectively reverses course from the goal set four years ago by allowing a 3.1 per cent increase in emissions from 1990 levels rather than seeking a 25 per cent cut. —Bloomberg, 15 November 2013
Japan’s decision added to gloom at the Warsaw talks, where no major countries have announced more ambitious goals to cut emissions, despite warnings from scientists about the risks of more heatwaves, droughts, floods and rising sea levels. —Reuters, 15 November 2013
Slow-moving U.N. negotiations on fighting climate change can advance only if rich nations fulfill their promise to provide billions of dollars in finance to developing countries, China’s chief climate negotiator Su Wei said Thursday. He told reporters in Warsaw that developed nations should make good on pledges made in 2010 and immediately pay the promised $30 billion to help poor countries cope with the effects of climate change. Rich countries also need to clarify how they intend to scale that up to $100 billion per year by 2020, he said. “That would be a very important starting point and key to the successful conclusion of the negotiation of a (post-)2020 agreement,” said Su. —Reuters, 14 November 2013
The U.S. and European Union blocked a proposal supported by 130 nations including Brazil and China that would use [CO2 emission] levels dating back to the industrial revolution to help set limits on emissions in the future. The proposal goes to the heart of one of the most divisive concepts in the talks — the notion of equity. Developing countries say that because industrialized nations have been emitting greenhouse gases for 200 years, they must bear the most responsibility to rein in the pollution blamed for global warming. Richer countries see a focus on the past as a tool by poorer nations to avoid making bigger efforts to curtail their own emissions. –Alex Morales, Bloomberg, 15 November 2013
Stephen Skinner says:
November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am
“Karl Marx would have observed the UK workforce (which would have been the majority) and the conditions they were in. It seems worse than ironic that the descendants of the many generations of that workforce (still the majority) are now at fault for acquiring wealth, ignoring the fact that they worked hard for it and earned every penny they worked for.”
Karl Marx’ goal was not to ensure that the workers can keep what they have worked for -even though he used that argument as the starting point-, but the creation of the socialist men by means of selection (the class struggle or Klassenkampf). The hypothetical socialist man shares everything. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
If you will, the “irony” is already in Marx’ own twisted wretched thoughts.
Unfortunately the Japanese volte-face is the triumph of one irrational idea — nuclear is dangerous — over another — fossil fuels are dangerous. That is, the replacement of one paranoia by a larger one. Small comfort for the forces of reason.
[Cross-posted at Bishop Hill.]
“Mark Urbo says:
November 15, 2013 at 6:11 pm
What’s a little Co2 when you’re openly leaking radiation into the environment…”
Don’t visit Cornwall, UK. All that radiation “leaking into the environment”, completely natural, breaches internationaly safety levels.
Mark Urbo says:
True, but would you deny Japan’s access to CO2-generating energy or would you demand that they build more radiation-generating nuclear plants?
It’s one or the other. So the choice is clear.
Besides, all the “plants” wold-wide will love ’em!
All countries abandoning nuclear would have been better off making a highly publicized “comprehensive safety review”, and got rid of the plants that are potential hazards. And yes, as a nuclear supporter I recognize that there are far too many of those. Fukushima was a textbook case, and yet, as an example of old-school reactor design it still managed exceptionally well. The containment vessels…. contained. The odds were stacked against it, and it still managed to not become the worst case.
Chernobyl, of course, was the worst case. But what idiot deliberately blows up a graphite moderated reactor? Then again, what country would still be building a graphite moderated reactor in 1986? Oh yeah… the soviet union.
Three Mile Island was all hype. The China Syndrome, although fictional, lives on in the minds of that entire generation who somehow think that all reactors are just lying around waiting to meltdown.
And yes, more people died at the refinery a few miles from Fukushima than have died from all nuclear accidents combined. Sadly, it’s difficult to explain to anyone that the “excess cancers” don’t actually exist.
CodeTech says:
November 16, 2013 at 7:16 am
“Chernobyl, of course, was the worst case. But what idiot deliberately blows up a graphite moderated reactor? Then again, what country would still be building a graphite moderated reactor in 1986?”
and without a containment. They blew the roof off the reactor, and that was the only thing that separated the core from the outside.
“…. despite warnings from scientists about the risks of more heatwaves, droughts, floods and rising sea levels.”
Japan, like other sensible Countries,has decided to NOT destroy their economy to satisfy the AGW/CC scammers who are getting SO rich off of this fear-mongering. Now if we can only see some of these crroks jailed for their thievery….
Gosh, the Japanese don’t want to follow our beloved leader into a new green world order?
So the IPCC wants to push the CO2 levels back to pre-industrial levels??? It was the period of the pre-industrial levels which caused the Little Ice Age (Maunder Minimum). Do we really want to experience another Maunder Minimum???
No, they seem to be talking about the rich countries with near balanced budgets and little debt like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Oman, Libya, Nigeria, Kuwait, Peru, Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Botswana, Uzbekistan, Algeria, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Kazakhstan, Chile, Equatorial Guinea, Gibraltar, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Wallis and Futuna, Kosovo, Liberia…. those rich countries.
I always feel much better after I’ve been shown the environmental light by someone from China.
Are people still dropping dead from the air pollution on the streets of Beijing today?
The UN is so completely pathetic.
Nobody is dropping dead from air pollution in the streets of Beijing.
Get a grip.
I guess I could clarify then. You breath the air, then get sick, then drop dead. Or maybe it really is the smoking.
My point was how hypocritical it was for someone from China to be lecturing everyone else about pollution.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2500852/Lung-cancer-rates-Beijing-50-PER-CENT-officials-claim-smoking-NOT-smog.html
johanna says:
November 16, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Nobody is dropping dead from air pollution in the streets of Beijing.
Get a grip.
No but a recent report claimed that cancers were up in Beijing
Apparently this years’ CO2 gabfest is called a conference, while next years’, which will be in Sept., in New York will be a summit.
“It is aimed at catalyzing action by governments, business, finance, industry, and civil society in areas for new commitments and substantial, scalable and replicable contributions to the Summit that will help the world shift toward a low-carbon economy.”
The grand finale will be the UNFCCC in 2015, the ultimate goal of which will be a giant shakedown of the West. Their goals are lofty, to be sure.
Two points:
1) Early results from the Japanese Space Agency IBUKI satellite have not been widely publicized, but they seem to show that the northern industrial nations are net sinks of CO2 during the summer months. While the implications of these findings may be lost on the rest of the world, thanks to the controlled MSM, they are certainly well-known to the Japanese leadership.
2) Three Fukushima coriums are missing in action. Perhaps one or more of the outspoken nuclear power advocates here will have suggestions for their safe retrieval.
Jquip says:
November 15, 2013 at 3:15 pm
When you’ve lost anime, you’ve lost the culture. When and if that happens, the Asian sphere will take a hard 180 on the topic. But not before.
That is already happening. This spring there was an anime where a mermaid mentioned in passing that she doesn’t believe in global warming because “Climate changes all the time, ya know?”
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/preview-guide/2013/the-spring-anime/bamboo
I’m puzzled by the Chinese negotiator’s comments. Someone needs to explain to me how sending money taken from poor people in a wealthy nation and sending it to the Swiss bank accounts of the dictators and tyrants ruling third world countries will somehow “save the planet”.
The whole idealogy behind the AGW cult is now there for all to see..
Whilst the smart industries are busy preparing for the oncoming continuation and acceleration of the cooling, the whole wealth redistribution scheme is on show, with China showing its true colors.
Japan wont be the last I can assure to thumb their nose to the UN.
Its an imaginary problem that lines the pockets of select few.
johanna says:
November 16, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Nobody is dropping dead from air pollution in the streets of Beijing.
Get a grip.
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Stephen richards says:
November 16, 2013 at 12:59 pm
No but a recent report claimed that cancers were up in Beijing”
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If that comment wasn’t satirical, it ought to be.
“Anyone here know how the number is supposed to be calculated?”
Usually politicians don’t want to talk about actual debt to gdp. They want to talk about INTEREST PAYMENTS ON THE DEBT to GDP.
It’s still rather sickening how many tax dollars are utterly wasted in interest payments because politicians want to buy votes on the government credit card.
— “I’m puzzled by the Chinese negotiator’s comments. Someone needs to explain to me how sending money taken from poor people in a wealthy nation and sending it to the Swiss bank accounts of the dictators and tyrants ruling third world countries will somehow “save the planet”.”
Sending billions of dollars that the US doesn’t have to the third world means that the USA will have to borrow more money for its own needs… from china. China reaps the benefits of western stupidity.
Actually China was the first country to mine coal on a large scale, during the Sung dynasty (11th Century AD) and it has been going on ever since. Even though it was a fairly small scale activity compared to modern mining a thousand years of production will add up.
Here is an inage of a Ming dynasty coal mine:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Tiangong_Kaiwu_Coal_Mining.gif
CFACT (Craig Rucker) reports on the demonstration by 50,000 Poles in Warsaw protesting the UN climate conference and declaring their support for Poland’s intention to use its abundant coal reserves for 100 percent of the nation’s electric power generation.
Methinks we need similar demonstrations here, in front of the offices of the EPA and the White House, against the war on coal and most of all, against the pseudo-science of global warming.
The one thing that never gets discussed is who decides what constitutes a “developed country”.
China’s industrial output can be found around the world. Their defense forces are a match for any “superpower”.
China and India don’t want to get labeled as a developed counry – they’d lose all that “support”, and actually have to follow global rules.