From Dr. Benny Peiser of the GWPF
Rich Nations Block Push To Count Past CO2 Emissions At UN Climate Summit
Japan set a new target for greenhouse gas emissions that critics say will set back United Nations talks for a treaty limiting fossil fuel emissions. The new target effectively reverses course from the goal set four years ago by allowing a 3.1 per cent increase in emissions from 1990 levels rather than seeking a 25 per cent cut. —Bloomberg, 15 November 2013
Japan’s decision added to gloom at the Warsaw talks, where no major countries have announced more ambitious goals to cut emissions, despite warnings from scientists about the risks of more heatwaves, droughts, floods and rising sea levels. —Reuters, 15 November 2013
Slow-moving U.N. negotiations on fighting climate change can advance only if rich nations fulfill their promise to provide billions of dollars in finance to developing countries, China’s chief climate negotiator Su Wei said Thursday. He told reporters in Warsaw that developed nations should make good on pledges made in 2010 and immediately pay the promised $30 billion to help poor countries cope with the effects of climate change. Rich countries also need to clarify how they intend to scale that up to $100 billion per year by 2020, he said. “That would be a very important starting point and key to the successful conclusion of the negotiation of a (post-)2020 agreement,” said Su. —Reuters, 14 November 2013
The U.S. and European Union blocked a proposal supported by 130 nations including Brazil and China that would use [CO2 emission] levels dating back to the industrial revolution to help set limits on emissions in the future. The proposal goes to the heart of one of the most divisive concepts in the talks — the notion of equity. Developing countries say that because industrialized nations have been emitting greenhouse gases for 200 years, they must bear the most responsibility to rein in the pollution blamed for global warming. Richer countries see a focus on the past as a tool by poorer nations to avoid making bigger efforts to curtail their own emissions. –Alex Morales, Bloomberg, 15 November 2013
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Well done, Japan! Another nail in the AGW coffin.
It all was, after, all, said even by the top brass, a scheme to redistribute wealth.
Maybe some are keener than others on this plan!
The Russians want their money
The Chinese threatened to release the hounds.
India …
Poland see through it.
Better luck next time, Boys!
When you’ve lost anime, you’ve lost the culture. When and if that happens, the Asian sphere will take a hard 180 on the topic. But not before.
“Rich countries also need to clarify how they intend to scale that up to $100 billion per year by 2020, he said.”
What’s a “rich country”.
List of countries sorted by their public debt.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html?countryname=Germany&countrycode=gm®ionCode=eur&rank=28#gm
So, the “developed” countries all drown in public debt. Hmm, the citizens might have some money. The countries don’t. So the UN can only be after the assets of private citizens.
In that case, why would a German worker have to cough up money for the UN and a billionaire princeling in Beijing wouldn’t?
So, we have a case of the ‘halves’ and the halve-nots …
Not just Canada and Australia. Now Canada, Australia and Japan. Soon to add Russia and Poland I think.
“He told reporters in Warsaw that developed nations should make good on pledges made in 2010 and immediately pay the promised $30 billion to help poor countries cope with the effects of climate change. Rich countries also need to clarify how they intend to scale that up to $100 billion per year by 2020, he said. “That would be a very important starting point and key to the successful conclusion of the negotiation of a (post-)2020 agreement,” said Su. –Reuters, 14 November 2013”
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Haha…yeah, put up or shut up!
Japan set a new target for greenhouse gas emissions..
..only if rich nations fulfill their promise to provide billions of dollars in finance to developing countries, China’s chief climate negotiator Su Wei said Thursday
…total disconnect from reality
Japan is in the tank….and China is the rich polluter
This is a fraud. Can you see the key word? Where are the mountains of peer reviewed papers showing “more heatwaves, droughts, floods and rising sea levels” over and above the last 100 years? Sea levels have been rising for thousands of years with no acceleration detected (unless by necessary upward adjustments).
At least the UN wealth transfer agenda is now also starkly on the table in MSM. See my presage proof, Caribbean Water (especially the YouTube video link) posted months ago over at Judy Curry.
Japan has an aging population. It’s co2 output will reduce automatically without targets. The rest of the world should follow this century without targets. Look at the details below and ask yourself why the heck Japan should worry about its co2 output? This is a self-solving ‘problem’ of the future.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/9999591/Japans-population-suffers-biggest-fall-in-history.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bdrates_of_Japan_since_1950.svg
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/intlr121&div=11&id=&page=
Finally, if you care about human beings there are 2 things that are very important:
1) INCREASE your co2 output.
2) INCREASE the number of children per woman.
It really is the truth. Warmists would laugh at what I have stated but they can’t show I am wrong (yet).
15 Nov: Tri-City Herald: AP: Monika Scislowska: Japan dials back climate change emissions target
Climate activists following the talks in Warsaw named Japan “fossil of the day,” a dubious honor meant to tag a country blocking progress on combating climate change. Dressed up in dark suits to look like Cabinet ministers, the activists ate sushi over colleagues pretending to be victims of the typhoon that has killed thousands of people in the Philippines…
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2013/11/15/2677418/japan-dials-back-climate-change.html
15 Nov: News Ltd: Nick Perry: Aus govt mocked by NGOs at climate summit
AUSTRALIA has won its third “fossil of the day” award at the UN climate talks in Warsaw, as international environment groups attempt to embarrass the Abbott government on the world stage over its decision to scrap the carbon tax…
It has won three of the four “fossil” awards handed out so far, with host nation Poland bagging one over its decision to hold a coal summit at the same time as the UN talks…
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aus-govt-mocked-by-ngos-at-climate-summit/story-e6frfku9-1226761116478
U.N. carbon prices plummet as EU readies restrictions
LONDON, Nov 15 (Reuters) – Prices of U.N.-backed carbon credits from developed countries fell by more than half on Friday after the European Commission said it had determined how many will be eligible in its carbon market, the largest source of demand for the units…
http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/reutersnews/1.2982063
16 Nov: The Hindu: Draft text creates flutter at Warsaw climate meet
A draft text of a ministerial decision on the controversial phasing out of refrigerant and global warming gases – hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) – circulating in the negotiations stirred debate on late Friday night on how the talks would progress over the week …
Now this text has emerged on Friday night sending the developing countries that are opposed to the move as well as about how contentious issues would be dealt with in the high-level segment scurrying for consultations…
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/draft-text-creates-flutter-at-warsaw-climate-meet/article5355952.ece
When we look at our co2 output we should look at population projections too. The IPCC likes projections and so do I. We don’t need control – it’s already set in motion.
Bwaaaaahahahahaaaa! Priceless!
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Canada, Australia and now Japan have told the UN to go pound sand. More will follow.
It’s been ongoing for quite a while but notice how the former CO2 aka “carbon emissions” have now morphed into the more emotive word “pollution” as a descriptive in the CAGW terminology..
Gross ignorance is being exhibited in it’s most extreme form by a whole galaxy of utter incompetents in science and who are exhibiting gross intellectual dishonesty when they call CO2 ie Carbon Dioxide, a critical to all life particularly plant life, atmospheric gas , “pollution”.
Canada is a leader in the fight against the U.N. ‘global tax and governance’ objective at the core of enviroscocialism. Russia, Japan and now Australia have joined Canada, while the devolving countries in the European Union dive headlong into enviroscocialist bankruptcy.
“Developing countries say that because industrialized nations have been emitting greenhouse gases for 200 years, they must bear the most responsibility to rein in the pollution blamed for global warming.”
I guess the benefits of those 200 years of discoveries, science, industrial benefits and sacrifices taken by these “industrialized” societies to get where we are today as a world society have completely bypassed China, India, Brazil and the other. Some of these so called “developing countries” now have the nerve, instead of being thankful for the Western scientific and engineering contribution, much of which they largely copied and continue to do so, to blackmail. I suppose the reason for the blackmail is to eliminate many sources of economic competition from the West and in the meantime bring a few freebies (mainly for those already in power in those countries).
Warmists don’t want you to know that fertility rates around the world are falling fast (except for Africa – though still falling.) They want you to think that human population will continue to expand until the Earth is dead. Take a closer look and you will see that WE will be extinct sooner than we previously thought! Over population is the least of our problems, we just don’t know it yet. PS the fertility rate of Singapore is a whopping at 0.78. More wealth generally means fewer kids.
http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/what-happens-when-half-the-world-stops-making-babies/573/
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html
The smarter nations are beginning to wise up. Let’s see who’s next.
The comments of the Chinese delegation are predictable, but really: does he think anyone is that stupid? Sure, liberals in the U.S. of A. will promise the moon, the stars, their countrymen’s tax-dollars, but their own? Things are quite a bit different than 2010, when it was fashionable to believe their own lies about the “economic recovery” (sure, I believe in the Easter Bunny, too). They’re not going to turn over a dime with more sequestration and gov’t shutdowns hanging over their heads: if gov’t is shuttered, how will they steal anything?
But the shock over Japan… I mean, really!? When they started to shut down nuclear plants in a knee-jerk reaction to a rare disaster, however horrible, what is left, but to burn? Fossil fuels, that is? Hello, we ain’t gonna meet Jo stinkin’ Kyoto Accord levels now, are we? And this is a surprise?
To effin’ who!??
“It all was, after, all, said even by the top brass, a scheme to redistribute wealth.”
The radical left in the 70s and 80s made a great deal of fuss about the Ritch North-poor South problem. But after the wall came down it vanished and instead it was rewrapped in new climate problem solutions.
The industrial revolution has brought huge benefits to humanity including better health and prosperity.
If the developing nations want to see the industrial revolution as a purely negative event it is only fair that they should live in pre industrial circumstances and not have the benefits it brought. You can’t have it both ways.
tonyb
DirkH says:
November 15, 2013 at 3:17 pm
…List of countries sorted by their public debt.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html?countryname=Germany&countrycode=gm®ionCode=eur&rank=28#gm
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Thank you for the post. I find it difficult to nail down the actual debt to gdp ratio. We have 17.15T in debt, and our GDP is 15.97T. The actual calculation comes to a bit over 107% when I do it.
Anyone here know how the number is supposed to be calculated?