One topic to consider: It seems that there are plenty of holes in the Miller et al paper to go around. Steve McIntyre adds more moss here.
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Pete 11:49 am
Birings a brand new meaning to Kamikaze (the pre-WW II meaning). Wait till one hits these floating platforms. Hope they remember their own past (Kamikaze) and recent (Tsunami) history when they design these sea bird choppers. Could enhance the fishing around them. 😉
Otteryd at 1.13pm:
Lord Oxburgh wants to amend the new UK Energy Bill to require total decarbonisation of the UK energy industry by the year 1230. The Bill is being debated in the House of Lords tomorrow and I hope that (Lord) Matt Ridley speaks and slaughters the idiot (In a Lordly sort of way of course).
Old’un says:
October 27, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Otteryd at 1.13pm:
Lord Oxburgh wants to amend the new UK Energy Bill to require total decarbonisation of the UK energy industry by the year 1230.
Whoa! He’s starting almost 800 years late.
🙂
Old’un
Apart from a few charcoal burners I suspect the UK was decarbonised already in 1230 so the debate seems pointless
Tonyb
Old’un says:
October 27, 2013 at 2:22 pm
” by the year 1230.”
I think this is “do-able”. ;^)
Old’un says:
October 27, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Brilliant if it was on purpose, and brilliant if it wasn’t !!
Tonyb says:
October 27, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Burning all that carbon-rich wood, peat & dung before 1230 must have caused the Medieval Warm Period. Plus all that CO2 exhaled by a growing pre-plague population, not to mention their animals.
I really like the Met Office Hadley Centre graph at http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/ – even better is if you click on download data, and choose the Monthly HadCET mean and Seasonal HadCET mean from 1659 to date, where you can see lots of warming and cooling events.
“Well, they simply failed to have a look at US industrial capacity, not a difficult task at all.”
Actually, they did look at US industrial capacity and planners calculated that the US had 600 times the production capacity of Japan. They also figured that war with the US was inevitable, as FDR was maneuvering to get the US into the conflict. FDR had actually sent US warships into Japan territorial waters and pressured the Dutch to cut Japan off from petroleum imports.
Good point, where’s Gail Combs.
I’m hoping all is well.
In lesser news, it’s a bit windy here in Britain. So do our windfarms generate oodles of electricity?
No, of course not. They are all locked down.
And one has fallen over anyway. One, so far.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-24691465
There has been more hinting of an “AGW” contribution to NSW’s recent fires. Comments have come from prominent NSW fire experts like Al Gore, John Cook and Christiana Figueres. (Our new Prime Minister is, in fact a NSW firefighter – but since he served a 14 hour all night shift with his Davidson Brigade at the fire-front during the crisis he must be deemed susceptible to confirmation bias.) One theme is that fires in NSW in October are a rarity. In fact, a dry October after previous good seasons is classic NSW fire weather. Where I live, further north of the recent blazes, even late winter and early spring can be far more dangerous than summer, because that is when weather is drier and strong winds can come from the inland. (Of course, when you get inland winds and drought in summer that is the worst of all, but that is less common in a summer/autumn wet climate.)
If Americans saw a graphic on mainstream media of all Australia on flames…that was apparently taken from some public info on spot and control burning about the country. They mixed up those fires with the big wild ones in NSW – which, by the way, is in south east Australia, not south west Australia, as first reported.
To understand what is lacking in NSW fire management, I recommend the following article by an expert with real long-term experience of fire in Oz:
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2013/10/bushfire-management-in-australian-forests-a-note-from-roger-underwood-2/
My own comments:
I presume our Green Betters think we should stare at the current risk from high fuel loads, pretend it’s a particularly well-shaped navel and wait till they have arranged a better climate through their banking connections? As a full-on skeptic I don’t care if we are warming, cooling or pausing. But I care about what can happen in any era when you leave enough fuel lying about. Remember, Chicago/Peshtigo occurred in mid-autumn at a high latitude in 1871. However, conditions were horrific and fuel levels catastrophic. The fire did NOT read the rules. Also, no phoenix rose from those flames. Near Peshtigo, there was NO forest regeneration for a quarter of a century. Some areas never regenerated.
They tell me the 70s were some sort of cooling or pausing. Wouldn’t know, don’t care. Superficial fluff. I do know that NSW had its largest bushfire in 1974-5, with 3,755,000ha burnt, 50,000 stock lost and 10,170km of fencing destroyed out west. The perimeter of one fire was 1,000km. THIS ALL OCCURRED NOT AFTER BUT IN THE HEART OF THE 1973-6 EXTENDED LA NINA!
Let’s just tidy up the fuel loads, okay?
I though “Lou Reed is dead” was sarcasm. Nope
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lou-reed-velvet-underground-leader-and-rock-pioneer-dead-at-71-20131027
What has happened to your solar data page?
milodonharlani says:
October 27, 2013 at 2:39 pm
It was only 300 hundred years before that the Co2 pollution from a large populations of Mayans created a drought that decimated their numbers.
/SARC
From April:
Peter S says:
April 18, 2013 at 2:26 pm
“4wdweather says:
April 18, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Monckton isn’t a Lord.”
Repeating BS is never going to make it true.
There is no such thing as a “Lord” per se, it is the form of address that is used for certain classes of title. These titles are ranked, in ascending order of prestige from the entry level Baron to the top end Earl.
Most “Lords” in the UK are Barons (including all the “Life Peers”).
Viscount Monkton outranks these in about the same way that a Major does a Lieutenant in the army.
So not only are you wrong, you are egregiously wrong.
The fact that he does not have a seat in the House of Lords is irrelevant. The titles predate the institution. Think of it this way- the Peers make the House of Lords and as a class existed before the House, it is not the other way around.
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To these excellent comments I’d like to add that what the British call an earl is on the continent a count, originally the viceroy of a county or shire. It stems from the Norse jarl. Nobles below the earl, ie viscounts & barons, were his vassals, as he was of the local duke & the king. Duke is from the Late Latin dux bellorum, or battle leader, but came to be the overlord of a region composed of counties under earls or counts, eg William the Conqueror, Duke of Normandy.
There are also royal dukes, below princes in rank among the children of the sovereign. Princes originally weren’t just royal children but rulers of fiefs higher in rank if not necessarily area & wealth than those of dukes, as with the Welsh Princes of Wales before Edward I awarded his infant son that position.
In the British peerage system, a marquess ranks between an earl & duke. Marquesses are addressed as “My Lord”, but dukes as “Your Grace”. Princes & royal dukes rate “Your Royal Highness” & monarchs “Your Majesty”.
Of course now titles usually don’t carry with them administrative duties. The difference can be seen between for instance the earlier Earls of Devon (Courtenays!) & later Dukes of Devonshire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Courtenay,_1st_Earl_of_Devon
Devon felicitously abuts Cornwall, seat of this blog’s esteemed family Courtney.
Christopher, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley indubitably has inherited the right to go by Lord Monckton, whether he sits in the House of Lords or not.
David Ball says:
October 27, 2013 at 3:20 pm
From which we may conclude along Greenish lines of thought (sic) that the worst thing for humanity is too many humans, so that we must destroy humanity in order to save it.
Sam Grove says:
October 27, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Correct, FDR kept cruising US ships back & forth in Japanese-controlled waters hoping to sucker them into attacking us, in order to get into the war “through the back door”. After a change in leadership, they took the bait.
The ousted Japanese Foreign Minister was a former Oregonian who knew that attacking the US was nuts (who was himself viewed as crazy by many in the regime). He tried to get Japan to help the Nazis by assaulting the USSR instead, but was thrown out. The Imperial Japanese Army was afraid of the Russians after the 1939 Battle of Khalkhin Gol. The 1940 Royal Navy air strike on the Italian fleet at Taranto gave the IJN the example it needed for hitting Pearl, & the rest is history.
milodonharlani:
At October 27, 2013 at 3:20 pm you mention that I live in Cornwall. I do, but Devon was the county of my birth.
Actually, the name of Courtney has an interesting meaning, and I often ponder why Americans often use it as a given name to their children: I suspect they don’t know what it means.
It has several popular spellings and the spelling of Courtenay which you cite is nearest to its origin. It derives from the Norman French ‘coure de nez’ (pronounced cor de nay) and literally translates as ‘short of nose’. Simply, our family name is an insulting reference to the family nose.
So, it seems that when Americans see a baby in a cot and think it has a stubby nose then they decide to name it Courtney.
Richard
richardscourtney says:
October 27, 2013 at 3:34 pm
As you know, people naming kids rarely consider the meaning of the names, at least in the US. Nowadays, many of the most popular names are meaningless arrangement of syllables from once meaningful names, or other sources, with random punctuation marks thrown in for good measure.
A friend of mine in college was a highly intelligent Japanese American then-young woman who didn’t know what her name “Claudia” meant. She wasn’t lame in the least but actually quite agile.
Sorry everyone, I should have typed 2030!
milodonharlani says:
October 27, 2013 at 3:41 pm
PS: In medieval France, having a short nose might have been considered attractive rather than ugly.
polski says:
October 27, 2013 at 12:46 pm
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Lawn, golf course grass is a C4 pathway plant and doesn’t benefit that much from increased CO2. Some, but not by large amounts. No harm in trying I guess. And it might work better in areas that don’t get much water and are susceptible to drying out. Increased CO2 will help with that on a C4 plant. Let us know what the results are since there are fellow golfers here (me) and many have a lawn as well.
milodonharlani:
Yes, of course French fashions may have been different centuries ago. The information about my family name was factual, but I only provided it because I thought it may be amusing to some people.
Richard
Here’s a Mother Jones story about How 9 Major Papers Deal with Climate-Denying Letters. Some of it is the expected gatekeeping, but some surprisingly shun such censorship…or at least that’s what they say publicly.
milodonharlani says:
October 27, 2013 at 3:20 pm [ … ]
Very interesting explanation. Thanks.