Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I got to thinking about snow the other day. It was occasioned by my look at the correlation (both positive and negative) of temperature and albedo. Albedo is a measure of how much sunlight is reflected from the clouds and the surface. The greater the albedo, the more sunlight is reflected. Here’s the graph that set me pondering:
Figure 1. Correlation between surface temperature and albedo. Negative correlation (blue and green) means the albedo goes down (less reflected sunlight) as the surface warms. Positive correlation (red and orange) means the albedo goes up (more reflection) as the surface warms. Gray line shows zero value.
In the red and orange areas, which are mainly in the tropics, the albedo goes up as temperatures rise. This is generally because clouds form as temperatures rise, reflecting more sunlight and cooling the earth. In the blue and green areas, on the other hand, the albedo goes down as temperatures rise. Over the extratropical land, much of this change is from snow and ice. As the land warms, snow melts and the albedo goes down. And as the land cools, snow falls and the albedo goes up. This is a positive feedback, with warming leading to increased solar energy, and cooling leading to less solar energy.
One thing that is highlighted by this map is that the positive feedback from the changes in sea ice are much smaller than the feedback from the changes in snow and ice on land, for several reasons.
The first one is the small area of the sea ice variations. Note that the feedback is only in the areas that are seasonally uncovered and covered by sea ice—permanently ice-covered areas don’t have much albedo change. Net annual variation in Arctic sea ice is about ± 5 million square kilometres. This is only about 1% of the area of the globe.
Another reason the changes on land are larger is that when snow melts, it exposes soil and plants, both of which have low albedos. But when sea ice melts, it reveals ocean … and the albedo of the ocean at low sun angles is already pretty high. As a result, the melting of the ice doesn’t change the albedo as much as the melting of the snow.
Another reason the land varies more is that snow extends much closer to the equator than sea ice. As a result, the sun rises much higher over snow than sea ice, and thus the snow intercepts more sunlight than the same area of ice up near the poles.
Another reason is that as you can see from Figure 1, the negative correlation of the albedo and temperature is greater over northern lands than northern oceans.
All of this has made the snow-covered areas of the northern hemisphere the main suspects in the onset of the ice ages. The generally accepted theory is that the so-called “Milankovitch” variations in the earth’s orbit change the amount of sunshine hitting the northern hemisphere. When the northern hemisphere summer sunshine gets weak enough, the snow on the northern land doesn’t melt back as far. This residual snow reflects more sunlight, which leads to cooler temperatures, which leads to more snow, which leads to more reflected energy … I’m sure you can see the end of this story, glaciers a mile thick covering Chicago.
Now, people seem to have a strange need to believe in some kind of existential threat hanging over our heads. There appears to be a desire to worry about something, as long as it is dire and a couple of decades away. In the past we’ve filled this need by worrying about the “population bomb”, or the “ecological footprint”, or the dreaded arrival of “peak oil”. Nowadays, it seems like “global warming” is taking over the role of the scourge du jour.
Me, I prefer to only concern myself with real possibilities of real harm. We’ve seen a couple of degrees warming since the Little Ice Age, and overall the effects have been beneficial to humans, plants and animals. I have no concern about the fabled Thermageddon of a couple degrees more warming—the effects are not grave, will likely be beneficial, and I have strong doubts that it will happen this century.
Another ice age, on the other hand, seems to be both inevitable and very destructive. And to raise the stakes, near as scientists can tell the next ice age either due or overdue … this is already the longest of the “interglacials”, the historical periods in between the ice ages.
So I would suggest that we keep a fairly close watch on the snow cover of the northern hemisphere. Because when the apparently inevitable ice age comes ’round again, it seems to me that the first sign will be an increase in the snow cover in North America and Eurasia.
Fortunately, the good folks at Rutgers University have a dataset showing the weekly area of the extent of the snow in the northern hemisphere that goes back forty years or so. Here’s that data:
Figure 2. Rutgers University snow extent data. Note the missing data prior to 1972. Data Source: Rutgers Snow Extent Data
So … how is the extent of the snow trending over time? Well, if we look at the complete data, which extends from 1972 to present, here’s how that breaks down:
Figure 3. Decomposition of Rutgers snow extent data. Top row is observations. Second row shows the trend in the 52-week mean. Third row is the regular seasonal variations. Bottom row is the residual variation once the seasonal and overall trends are removed. Note the different scales on all four rows.
The second row in Figure 3, entitled “trend”, shows the changes in the mean value over time. The snow area generally dropped during the first half of the record. Subsequently, it first rose and then remained level in the second half. So the good news is that we don’t appear to be started into an ice age. The other good news is that we also don’t seem to be headed for a time when our children won’t recognize snow … overall, like most climate records, not a whole lot going on. However, that is unlikely to last forever.
Finally, some speculation. I have long held that the main two ways that we affect local climate are through land use, and also via airborne soot (or “black carbon”) and “brown carbon”. Brown carbon is the airborne carbon from inefficient combustion of wood, coal and other fuels. In addition to coming from forest fires, brown carbon mainly comes from billions of cheap stoves and open cooking and heating fires in the developing world. Because of the prevailing winds, a goodly amount of the soot and brown carbon produced in the northern hemisphere falls on the northern snow and ice. And because the carbon compounds are dark in color, they are warmed by the sun. This leads to a more rapid melting of the snow. It has been suggested that this is the reason for the retreat of the European glaciers since the 1800s.
Now, humans have been dumping large quantities of soot into the atmosphere for quite some time now, ever since we managed to tame fire. And presumably, for all that time that soot has helped to melt the northern hemisphere snows and glaciers, so they didn’t start lingering further and further into summer. So … would it not be truly ironic if pollution, in the form of soot and brown carbon, were all that has been holding off another ice age? And wouldn’t it be a cosmic joke if our efforts to clean up soot and brown carbon pollution were the straw that broke the back of the Holocene, and ushered in the new ice age?
Do I think that’s the case, that soot is all that is keeping the next ice age at bay? Y’know … I truly don’t have a clue whether that’s true or not. That’s one beauty of climate science, that there are so many mysteries.
I’m just saying, I’m keeping an eye on the snow extent …
w.
DATA AND CODE:
I’ve posted up a .csv file containing the Rutgers data here, and the R code to read it is here.
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Not sure if I understand it correctly, but do available snow/ice albedo data sets actually publish calculated data adjusted over time for locality and time of year, as well as simple area?
By this I mean, for example, that reflected spring sunshine falling on snow/ice at, say, 70 degrees South would be greater than reflected spring sunshine falling on similar snow/ice at 70 degrees North because the Earth is closer to the sun during the Southern hemisphere summer months.
Yes, it is part of the various Milankovitch calculations, but I’m interested to see data where it is coupled with the actual recent satellite observations to indicate anomalies of how much energy really was reflected. Or does cloud cover make these calculations unreliable?
Willis – not to party-poop, but a year is not 52 weeks, nor is every year the same number of days. Your 52-week average will move about with the location of the ‘missing’ day(s) in the year, and over 40 years, could influence the average by up to +-0.2M from start to finish.
From another angle, WTF happened in 1985 to set the snowcover tumbling? Dates for Pinato and St.Helens don’t seem to match up.
Willis Eschenbach says:
“Yes, and the albedo also goes up as temperatures fall … it’s negative correlation either way.”
You agreed about diminishing cloud cover in the non-snowy regions of the blue-green areas as a likely cause of less albedo with a rise in temperature. A “loss of plant cover in the fall” as you suggested, will do the opposite, it will increase albedo. So I fail to see why you are adding that to the diminishing cloud parameter.
Anybody know if there are any ocean sediment cores close to Greenland for a longer time series temp proxy? Would be nice to compare to vostok to look st hemispheric timing of orbital induced variations.
ed says:
October 19, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Don’t know how close to Greenland you want, but here’s the classic paper on comparison of North Atlantic sediment with GIS ice cores.
http://www.liv.ac.uk/~jan/teaching/References/Bond,%20Broecker,%20Johnson%20et%20al.%201993.pdf
Sediment core locations in the northern Norwegian-Greenland Sea:
http://epic.awi.de/10709/1/Kas1995c.pdf
It looks like Antarctica maybe sending us a message about the near term climate of the world. NSIDC finally updated the data. The Antarctic sea ice has not received the message that spring has sprung. The sea ice maintained it,s growth into early October and experienced one more ‘upward spike’. There was a small downslope afterwards, then over the last 12 days the sea ice broke away from the trend line and went sideways. The line sits well above the trend line. I had made a comment about this possibility in late September.
Anthony Watts, you have a problem. How you deal with this is up to you as it is your blog. IF this was MY blog I would BAN Poptech now. Better to have damage now that greater damage later. Poptech, also known as Andres Khan (among other names), is obsessed and I fear dangerous. This is just a friendly note.
Seems like we’ve started the slow descent into the next glacial already, starting about 3kyrs ago. At least comparing gisp2 and Vostok. On top of it is the 6200yr cycle recovery (min @LIA) and the 1200ish bond cycle, but behind it all the slow decent.
Harmon, know of any sediment cores going back 500kyrs in the NH? Would help the comparison because there opposing cycles at work (obliquity?). The wobble effects the timing and length of interglacial I’m guessing.
Here is a graph of gisp2 and vostok during this interglacial…
http://s852.photobucket.com/user/etregembo/media/GISP2_VOSTOK_INTERGLACIAL.jpg.html?sort=3&o=35
Since there is at the moment quite a lot of ice extant on the planet, would it not be somewhat more accurate to say that we are in an ice age, rather than awaiting the arrival of the next one? There have been periods in the past when there was pretty much zero ice for 10 of millions of years and more. Those periods could be properly referred to as “ice free ages”. It seems to me that we are still in the ice age that began with the Pleistocene, however, lucky enough to be alive during a relative minimum. Thus we await the arrival of the next maximum of the current Pleistocene Ice Age, not the beginning of a new ice age. I hope it’s a long wait. And, I wouldn’t be saddened if in fact all the ice melted and the Pleistocene actually comes to an end finally.
Well I know this is not climate, but rather weather or as we say here (Vermont) weatha related.
I can track a few things related to the weatha, such as:
Cords of Wood burned
Gallons of gas used by the snow blower
Width of bands of the Woolie Caterpillars
Number of Acorns dropped
Date of first southbound geese, etc.
Question is, are any of these metrics any more or less meaningful than anything else we are studying here?
Or mebbe I need to get a grant for this?
/Kinda Sarc,
Jimbo, my name is not Andrew Khan despite your ignorance of all things Internet related. I am only electronically dangerous to people wish me to be banned.
Jimbo says:
October 19, 2013 at 6:02 pm
I agree with you. For whatever reason, perhaps some slight or humiliation that Poptech imagines Willis has publicly inflicted upon him, Poptech appears to have slid from rational blog disputant into the obsessive stalker zone. Such hostility & enmity does indeed carry with it serious risk. Regrettably, IMO there’s not much that the blog’s owner can do about it at this point.
I would urge Willis to look to his outer, middle & inner perimeter home defenses. This might sound extreme, but I’ve seen feuds in the real world spiral into violence. If anything, the Net is even more dangerous, despite lack of physical proximity, due to relative anonymity. Whatever harm Poptech might fantasize beyond contacting periodical editors could be laid off on Warmunistas attacking a “Denier”.
“With current oil depletion rates and low economic growth, the cost of developing replacement fuels over the next 40 years at current prices will be about $100 trillion dollars. $100,000,000,000,000!”
Not to worry. Canceling Obamacare will likely save all this and more in the next forty years.
milodonharlani, Your delusional conspiracy theories are amusing if not bat sh@t crazy.
Two other examples to add to my previous two comments about positive feedback in electronic systems can be made for additional perspective. The first is a run-away limited by a “governor” and the second is an intentional amplification.
First, there is the ubiquitous “feedback squeal in a PA system” that so many writers resort to to “explain” positive feedback. This is said to be sound that comes out of a loudspeaker, finds its way back to the microphone, and whips around again and again. We all know that turning down the gain (volume control) of the amplifier corrects this at the expense of a lower room volume (equalizer circuits are another solution).
It is sometimes said (erroneously) that the oscillation frequency is determined by the distance between the speaker and the microphone. It’s not – it is determined by the largest of the room resonant modes. An acoustic resonance in the feedback path makes the loop gain greater than +1 with a full-cycle of phase shift. Almost always it “clips” slightly resulting in an annoying, but nicely sustained oscillation. This is an example of positive feedback running away to saturation (the max the amplifier can do) but stopping there (governor).
The second example is the wonderfully historic “regenerative radio receiver” invented by Edwin Armstrong, and used as a popular home radio of the 1920’s and 1930’s. It had positive feedback through a “ticker coil” that was sometimes problematic, but fun in hobbyist’s construction when the design was adapted to single transistor circuits in the 1950’s. Here the positive feedback is greater than 0 but less than 1, so is an amplification (which was the whole idea) and there is no saturation.
milodonharlani says:
October 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm
I do not know why Poptech has taken such bitterness and enmity upon himself towards me. I’m sorry to see it, and if it is for some slight or humiliation that I’ve put upon him, he has my apologies.
I disagree completely. My sense is that Poptech has no intention of physically harming me, nothing like that at all. I don’t read him as that kind of guy in any way. Instead, he wants to correct what he sees as misrepresentations of my “credentials” out there in the world.
Curiously, I don’t have a problem with that, other than the spirit in which he is doing it. It’s injurious to a man to internalize that kind of bitterness towards someone else, so I wish he wouldn’t do that do himself.
But I have absolutely nothing invested in how I am described out there in the world. My ideas either stand or they fall on their own. Whether I’m described in some random publication or blog post or web site as a computer modeler or a commercial fisherman is immaterial. The only things that count are the validity of my scientific hypotheses and insights. The strength of the ideas don’t depend on what my day job might be, or what I might have done in the past.
So I’m not opposed to Poptech agitating to correct what he sees as mis-statements. I don’t see them as that, but I’m not concerned about his doing it, I don’t see it as a problem. A google search on “willis eschenbach” brings up a quarter million pages, so it is going to be a long task. He’s more than welcome to do it, I don’t oppose it.
w.
Willis,
You are a class act. Always have been.
Poptech has some personal demons. We all do, to some extent. I like his database; he holds warmists to account.
I am sorry personally, that this has evolved into internecine warfare. Neither one is the enemy. The alarmist crowd is the enemy; they do not believe in science, or in the scientific method, or in anything but politics.
It is a shame that everyone on our side cannot always show a united front. But I suppose that is a facet of human nature…
Poptech says:
October 19, 2013 at 9:32 pm
If you want to see batsh*t crazy, look in the mirror.
You’re already stalking Willis on the Net. To his home is a small step farther.
Willis Eschenbach says:
October 19, 2013 at 10:02 pm
The quarter million pages bit is funny, but Poptech’s cyber-stalking of you isn’t. What some reporter got wrong about you, if indeed it be wrong, could only be so important to a crazy person.
I hope that my suggestion as to where Poptech’s vendetta against you is trending will help him see how truly disturbed & disturbing his behavior is becoming, even if you don’t feel personally threatened by it.
dbstealey says:
October 19, 2013 at 10:10 pm
IMO skeptics don’t necessarily need to show a united front. We should be as critical of ourselves as of CACA advocates. That’s science. But private, personal vendettas IMO have no place either within the skeptical community or between it & “consensus climate science”. I’ve called CACA practitioners charlatans, because they are, but I don’t wish anyone personal harm, no matter how much their lies might be hurting others. Maybe I’m paranoid, but Poptech seems to me to have crossed the line in obsessive pursuit of his great white whale, the citizen scientist Willis.
What is the primary source of all that moisture, do you suppose?
per se, btw.
The obsession with armageddon is entirely fictitious, however, it serves the interests of certain people to instigate such obsesssions.
Why?
Because ‘armageddon’ requires that you DO SOMETHING.
What happens when you do something? MONEY GETS SPENT, LAWS GET CHANGED, INDOCTRINATION OCCURS.
What is the effect of money getting spent, laws changing and indoctrination occurring??
Some people get VERY, VERY RICH.
Religion is a magnificent example of people getting rich in this way. Look at the vast wealth of churches in their heyday (the catholic church today, the Anglican Communion until recently etc). THEY MADE PEOPLE PAY TITHES AND BECAME MR 10%.
‘Peak oil’ was a great scare story because it drove up the price of oil. That made certain Arab Sheikhs and a few MNC shareholders/executives very, very wealthy.
Global warming is a great scare story because Governments spend billions researching it and trying to do something about it. Scientists, green energy people etc etc get bunged a lot of money. They love it.
Long-term risk-free revenue streams is the best incentive for armageddon stories.
All risk managers should investigate this hypothesis ruthlessly before ever agreeing to spend one dime on the latest ‘armageddon’.
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Brian H says:
October 20, 2013 at 12:12 am
What is the primary source of all that moisture, do you suppose?
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One that comes to mind is longer autumn ice-free periods in the adjacent arctic oceans that could supplement moisture in storms there. Possible, but not demonstrated so far…
The transition boundaries between glacial periods and interglacials during our current Quaternary glaciation seem sharp to me.
http://earlywarn.blogspot.com/2012/01/more-paleoclimate-vegetation-maps.html