Guest essay by Phillip Mulholland

Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ). Temperature after C.R. Scotese http://www.scotese.com/climate.htmCO2 after R.A. Berner, 2001 (GEOCARB III) 
In a previous thread on WUWT published on 13 September titled Claim: atmosphere heats the oceans, melts Antarctic ice shelf, Sridhar Anandakrishnan, Professor of Geosciences, at Penn State is reported as saying:-
“Eventually, with all that atmospheric heat, the oceans will heat up.”
Well, that statement may or may not be true, but one thing we can be certain about, it does not apply to the seas around Antarctica.
A former colleague of mine had on the wall of his office a standard map of the World with the continents coloured by surface elevation. Unusually his map showed the icecaps of Greenland and Antarctica, not as featureless white regions, but instead coloured by the true elevation of the ice surface. What his map showed is the dramatic height of this surface, both over the bulk of Greenland and also over the vast majority of Antarctica, with layers of ice piled high into the atmosphere forming a plateau as tall as the mountain ranges of other continents.
His map demonstrated why Antarctica at 2,500m has the greatest average surface elevation of all the continents. With its high surface elevation that reaches a plateau maximum at Dome A of just over 4,000 metres, Antarctica stands taller in the atmosphere than any other landmass. With thin dry transparent air above it and the long months of the Austral winter, the ice surface of Antarctica acts as a gigantic thermal radiator that short circuits the atmospheric greenhouse effect and exhausts surface radiant energy directly into Space.
Throughout the winter season of darkness in Antarctica the thermal cooling of the ice surface generates copious amounts of cold dry dense air, this bitterly cold tropospheric air flows north off the icecap towards the Southern Ocean, descending to sea level as a gale force katabatic wind. The wind that Captain Scott referred to when he wrote “Great God this is an awful place”.
When the dense cold air reaches the coast at the Weddell Sea, its temperature is sufficiently low to flash freeze any open surface sea water, but the wind’s continuous force directs any newly formed ice north, away from the coast, creating a permanent open water gap The Latent Heat Polynya.
Oxygen is a reactive gas vital for the survival of animal life. In the oceans, oxygen can only be created either by biological activity in the surface waters of the photic zone or be directly dissolved from the atmosphere by the turbulent mixing of surface waves. In the planetary ocean sea water is layered by density and cold dense water is found throughout the bulk of the modern deep ocean. One of the challenges for Oceanography is to explain the presence and distribution of dissolved oxygen gas in the ocean deeps, given that it cannot have been formed there.
The explanation for the presence of this deep ocean oxygen lies in the existence of the Latent Heat Polynya in the Weddell Sea and elsewhere along the coast of Antarctica. Here, in the polynya, cold dense sea water is created, chilled and oxygenated by the katabatic winds of Antarctica and salted by the key process of brine rejection – dense salty water expelled from the continuously formed sea ice. This chilled sea water descends into the ocean as a gravity driven flow of high salinity brine that carries the dissolved oxygen vital for deep marine life down into the ocean depths. Truly it can be said that the polar icecaps are the lungs of the deep ocean.
The current climate paradigm recognises two distinct and separate states for world climate, the Icehouse World and the Greenhouse World. The Icehouse World is characterised by low atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, cold ocean deeps with high levels of dissolved oxygen and of course, polar continental icecaps with consequent low global sea levels. The Greenhouse World by contrast is characterised by high atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, warm ocean deeps with low levels of dissolved oxygen, no polar continental icecaps and therefore high global sea levels.
Geology shows us that in the past during the Cretaceous period, at a time when the world did not have any polar continental icecaps and global sea levels were high, the ocean deeps were filled with warm +15C dense salty oxygen-poor water creating the required conditions for global marine anoxia and the deposition of Sapropel, (biological carbon) in deep ocean muds of, for example, the Cretaceous Boreal Ocean. The implication here is clear, because warm sea water has a low dissolved gas carrying capacity, anoxia is preferentially associated with warm world conditions and the presence of sapropel in the Geological record is considered to be diagnostic of a Greenhouse World.
This dichotomy is a fundamental tenet of climate science. That climate can be in one state, either global cold – the Modern world, or global warmth – the Cretaceous world, but not in both states simultaneously. However this tenet is wrong and Geology proves that it is wrong. It is indeed possible to have a world with a massive continental polar ice cap, an Icehouse World diagnostic, and simultaneously anoxic prone warm water ocean deeps, a Greenhouse World diagnostic, and that world was the Carboniferous period.
Imagine a world with no South Atlantic Ocean, instead South America is joined directly to Africa, a world with no Southern Ocean, instead Antarctica is joined directly to Australia and also no Indian Ocean with instead the Indian landmass (along with Madagascar) filling the jigsaw puzzle gap between South America/Africa/Arabia and Australia/Antarctica. This southern continent is called Gondwana by Geologists. Imagine this gigantic Gondwana continent covered with an ice sheet that at its maximum extended from the South Pole across an area equivalent to all of Antarctica, Southern Australia, India, Madagascar, south & east Africa and southern South America combined. This continental icecap existed throughout the Carboniferous period. The modern world’s single polar ice continent of Antarctica is puny in size compared to this ice monster.
Victorian geologists were very interested in the Carboniferous period; the coal won from these rocks powered their industrial world. Studies of the Carboniferous strata in north Yorkshire demonstrated the existence of Cyclothems, repeated patterns of marine sedimentation that start with a coal seam, the remains of an equatorial forest being drowned and then often overlain by marine limestone. The limestones were then in turn overlain by river delta sediments as the coast moved seaward and the shallow sea retreated. Eventually the swamp forests regrew and another coal seam was created. The Victorians recognised that this rhythmic depositional cycle seen in the Yoredale deposits of Yorkshire was controlled by eustatic sea level change. That is global sea level variations controlled by the waxing and waning of a major continental icecap. We now know that the icecap responsible for the Carboniferous cyclothems was located on the Gondwana continent.
So the deep oceans of the Carboniferous world were filled with cold oxygenated seawater created by the katabatic winds of the Gondwana icecap, just like those from the modern world’s Antarctica? Well no actually the deep ocean of the Carboniferous world was anoxic just like the later Cretaceous ocean. Again thanks to the Victorian geologists who studied the Culm deposits of Devon they recognised that the Carboniferous Culm contained radiolarian chert, pseudomorphs of calcite and abundant organic carbon. They concluded correctly that Culm was a deep ocean deposit, and although they did not recognise the true size of the ocean they were studying, we know because of their work, that the muds were bathyal sediments deposited below the carbonate compensation depth far from land. The carbon content of Culm proves that the Carboniferous world ocean was anoxic and that abundant marine sapropel was created and deposited in Carboniferous marine sediments which now form part of the oil and gas shale resource which supplies the hydrocarbon fuel used to power our modern industry and commerce.
So how can we resolve this paradox of the Carboniferous with its simultaneous continental icecap of Gondwana and an anoxia prone global ocean? In Geology, the present is often the key to the past, and we have a key to unlock this conundrum. That key is the modern Red Sea.
The Red Sea is situated in the northern hemisphere tropics between Africa and Arabia. Under modern climatic conditions, located beneath the Hadley Cell, the Red Sea experiences high insolation, high evaporation and low fresh water input. These features combine to produce a Red Sea marine bottom water with the highest temperature (21.7C) and salinity (40.6 psu) in the modern world, even with its current low carbon dioxide atmospheric conditions.
Although the outflow volume of Red Sea high temperature bottom water into the Indian Ocean does not impact the modern deep water temperatures of the World Ocean, the key point is that Red Sea deep water produced under a modern tropical climate has a higher density at 1028.579 kg/m3 than any of the cold deep water currently produced in Antarctica by the modern world’s polar climate. For example Antarctic Bottom Water has a minimum temperature of -0.8C, a peak salinity of 34.6 psu and a consequent density of 1027.880 kg/m3.
If these two bottom waters, cold oxygenated polar deep water and warm high salinity low-oxygen carrying tropical bottom water, were allowed to meet, the density stratification principle requires that the densest marine water will occupy the deepest part of the ocean. Red Sea bottom water is denser than the coldest water Antarctica can produce. In a straight contest between the Red Sea and the Weddell Sea, the Red Sea wins every time.
So consider now the Carboniferous period with its shallow tropical seas and vast coastal equatorial coal swamps and remember that half of the surface area of our planet is located between 30 degrees North and 30 degrees South. The shallow seas of the tropics are huge solar energy collectors producing warm dense marine brines. Even in the Carboniferous with its gigantic Gondwana icecap the world was warm because in Oceanography marine water salinity trumps marine water temperature every time.
The Carboniferous shows us that with open ocean conditions the natural state of the world’s climate is as follows-
A polar continental icecap that produces cold oxygenated mid-level ocean water. This sea water is less dense and therefore is layered above the warm dense saline and anoxia-prone tropical water of the bathyal ocean depths.
I leave you with this conclusion. The Carboniferous was a warm ocean world, with low gas solubility in the deep sea. This produced an atmosphere suitable for land plants as they had an abundance of carbon dioxide gas to consume. Not for nothing does this period of Earth’s geological history have as its name the Carboniferous and yet in the mid-ocean above the deep abyssal anoxia, the pelagic fish also had an abundance of dissolved oxygen to breathe thanks to the presence of the Gondwana icecap and its coastal latent heat polynya.
This essay proposes that a fundamental tenet of climate science, that the world’s climate can be in one of two separate and distinct modes, either the Icehouse world or the Greenhouse world, is false.
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@Berényi Péter 12:03 pm
Chemical potential of organic matter is too low for it compared to that of hydrocarbons.
Vegetable Oils (as well as animal fats) are the primary components of Biodiesel.
Organic matter deposited in anoxic conditions has plenty of chemical potential to form hydrocarbons.
@Phillip Mulholland
Thank you for a delicious geohistory yarn. I love it when the pieces come together. The secret to good geology is to recognize the present is NOT the key to the past. It only hints at the key. History doesn’t repeat itself — but it rhymes. The fun is in identifying the crucial differences.
Just wondering , would all the coal gas and oil now underground , and left untouched , still release all their carbon dioxide etc into the atmosphere when the rock they are contained in slides down into the magma during plate tectonics ?
First I must say thank you to Anthony for publishing my essay.
Max™ @ur momisugly October 6, 2013 at 10:09 am
Yes, that is the topographic map I was looking for. Thanks for the link.
grumpyoldmanuk @ur momisugly October 6, 2013 at 9:53 am
Is this the sort of grumpy response you would expect?
Philip Mulholland is my legal given name. There is plenty of information about me contained in my posts on WUWT.
Dear Phillip. Thank you for a civil reply to a civil question. I did enjoy your essay, particularly the rather startling (to me at any rate) conclusion. i’ll now go through the library and read more of your work.
Regards, GOM
idreamofthought says:
October 6, 2013 at 10:58 am
“.If we continue to pump out fossil CO2 by burning carbon stored millions of years ago we will raise global temperatures … ”
Exactly what is the evidence to support your claim ?
Mr. Mulholland, thank you, now that was a very fascinating article and I see no reason to doubt the conclusion. Density trumps any temperature differences but I do wonder how just how much energy is transferred between these two layers since they are constantly being replenished each year cycle. Any insight? Would think that energy is being used by the life in the upper layer.
Absolutely fascinating. I wonder how much of the planet’s climate history is driven by how much coast line and land mass there are at given latitude.
@idreamofthought
You can dream if thinking if you like……
……but how about actually doing it for a change.
” wayne says:
October 6, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Mr. Mulholland, thank you, now that was a very fascinating article and I see no reason to doubt the conclusion. Density trumps any temperature differences but I do wonder how just how much energy is transferred between these two layers since they are constantly being replenished each year cycle. Any insight? Would think that energy is being used by the life in the upper layer.”
Well, here is a reference for water having a thermal conductivity of .58 W/(m*K):
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html
Presumably, you could work it out from that.
Mr. Mulholland writes:
“I leave you with this conclusion. The Carboniferous was a warm ocean world, with low gas solubility in the deep sea. This produced an atmosphere suitable for land plants as they had an abundance of carbon dioxide gas to consume. Not for nothing does this period of Earth’s geological history have as its name the Carboniferous and yet in the mid-ocean above the deep abyssal anoxia, the pelagic fish also had an abundance of dissolved oxygen to breathe thanks to the presence of the Gondwana icecap and its coastal latent heat polynya.
This essay proposes that a fundamental tenet of climate science, that the world’s climate can be in one of two separate and distinct modes, either the Icehouse world or the Greenhouse world, is false.”
I admit up front that I have an axe to grind. It seems to me that Mr. Mulholland’s article reveals to all of us a science of the oceans and CO2 that the Alarmists among climate scientists could never imagine. He has given us an introduction to the complexity of the questions that must be answered if anyone is to make sense of the claim that heat is now being sequestered in the deep oceans. The big conclusion for me is that treating the deep oceans as everywhere uniform is scientific folly of the highest order. And that brings me back to a point that I have made and will make time and again. If Trenberth believes that heat is sequestered in the deep oceans then he must undertake empirical investigation of mechanisms that are peculiar to the oceans and capable of transporting (mixing, if you like) heat to the deep oceans. Unlike claims about heating the atmosphere, there is not some simple set of deductions from a theory of radiation exchanges among Earth, Sun, and manmade CO2 that can explain how the heat gets into the deep oceans.
idreamofthought
Malthus?
Please. How can one call upon cleanliness and Malthus all at once? Isn’t Malthus the real problem here? Let’s clean house and start with Malthus. Pollution of conscience.
Count_to_10 says:
October 6, 2013 at 1:39 pm
“Absolutely fascinating. I wonder how much of the planet’s climate history is driven by how much coast line and land mass there are at given latitude.”
Well said. All we get from the Alarmists is the robotic claim that climate is determined by the radiation budget among Earth, Sun, and manmade CO2 in the atmosphere. The same old, same old.
Berenyi Peter sez:
“Before I believe that story, a credible explanation should be given about the process converting organic sediments, basically carbohydrates to hydrocarbons close to thermodynamic equilibrium, which invariably occurs in buried sediment layers. That chemical process just would not happen spontaneously with no free energy input whatsoever, not even in hundreds of million years”
There’s no big mystery here. The energy needed to convert dead organic material into fluid/gaseous hydrocarbons is geothermal. Burial alone transfers ocean-bottom sediments to crustal depths where geothermal heat promotes the organic-chemical transformations. Add in the conductive heat from radioactive decay and mantle-heat transfer, along with a little magmatic activity, and there is abundant heat to transform dead plants into coal, oil, and natural gas.
Exploration geologists are keenly interested in the geothermal history of basins. Too little heat and the organic carbon remains immobile and locked in the rock. Too much heat and the basin gets “cooked” and economic hydrocarbons are driven out.
And, BTW, geologic history allows millions of years to accomplish all this hydrocarbon fractionation.
In many ways, it’s amazing that fluid hydrocarbons remain underground rather than being “exhaled” into the atmosphere. Fracking opponents take note – most rock units are extremely impermeable, meaning the infinitesimal amounts of emulsifiers and solvents that are injected during fracking (at depths generally greater than a mile) have little chance of returning to the surface.
Absolutely brilliant.
An intellectual tour de force.
For those of you who would like to know more of “Mr Mulholland” so as to judge the worth of his paper, I support you in that.
It could be said that an argument should be able to stand or fall on its merits. However, when it comes to the credibility of an opinion, the standing of the person expressing the opinion matters a great deal for most of us in terms of the vaulue we put on it.
I would make the same comment about ‘Just the Facts’ who opines at times on this blog. As he is hiding behind a non de plume I discount the credibility of his opinion, even more so than that of Phillip Mulholland who at least provides a name.
The Red Sea is a long narrow body of water with a relatively tiny discharge point at the Southern end. Its volume is approximately 55,000 cu mi. and with little input the residence time must be quite high. There is a long axial trench which is very deep and no doubt allows the more dense water to accumulate; much of the Red Sea is shallow. My understanding is that the prevailing winds for 6 to 8 months are from the southeast which pushes ocean water into the Red Sea, limiting the discharge. For this reason, the northern end has high salinity (around 41 ppt) while the southern end is more like 36 ppt (average ocean water is 35 ppt). My point is that Mr Mulholland is illustrating a known density concept with an anomalous water body that is less than 0.018% of the ocean volume. My question is what impact does this small body of water have on deep ocean temperatures and where else can this be found in the world? Seems to me that the volume of water around the Antarctic trumps any little impact of the Red Sea. Sorry, but while the concept is good, I fail to see any practical application of the Red Sea situation in the grand scheme of deep ocean temperatures.
I’d never play soccer with you. Why? Because you would like to play the man and not the ball. Attack what Mhlholland says. Show him to be wrong. That’s what matters, isn’t it.
Example, what if a homeless ex-carpenter person had written a theory that helicopter pylori caused most stomach ulcers, would you decide on that basis that he is wrong, or would you try to show him why he is wrong? Play the ball and not the man. Warmists do this when they can’t think of anything else.
heliobactor pylori…otrher than that, youre sopt on.
grumpyoldmanuk; Rab McDowell, etc says:
“For those of you who would like to know more of “Mr Mulholland” so as to judge the worth of his paper, I support you in that.”
In 1905, an unknown examiner at the patent office in Bern, Switzerland, published four articles in Annalen der Physik. This unknown writer was Albert Einstein and the four articles published in 1905 contributed significantly to the foundation of modern physics and changed views on space, time, mass, and energy. I suppose there might have been some who wanted to know just who this nobody was before wasting time evaluating what he had written on its merits.
Mr. Mulholland, thoroughly enjoyed this. Thanks.
“Dr Burns says:
October 6, 2013 at 1:27 pm
idreamofthought says:
October 6, 2013 at 10:58 am
“.If we continue to pump out fossil CO2 by burning carbon stored millions of years ago we will raise global temperatures … ”
Exactly what is the evidence to support your claim ?”
Dr. Burns
Please note, idreamofthought doesn’t claim to think –
only claim is to dream of thinking, so don’t be surprised to be presented with dreampt up evidence.
🙂
I enjoyed the article. One sentence in the article brought a question in my mind. The quote: “What his map showed is the dramatic height of this surface, both over the bulk of Greenland and also over the vast majority of Antarctica, with layers of ice piled high into the atmosphere forming a plateau as tall as the mountain ranges of other continents.”
I know from readings that ice sheets and ice caps have been and can be upwards of two miles (10,560 feet, 3219 meters) thick and snow can fall or be blown onto the summit of Mt. Everest (29,000+ feet). The more weight of the ice, the more it depresses the land underneath.
Is there a theoretical or practical limit to how high above sea level that an ice sheet, ice cap or glacier can become before the moisture carrying capacity of the atmosphere cannot overcome the sublimation of the snow and ice and it ceases to gain anymore height above sea level.
Panic over “Only web sites necessary to protect lives and property will be maintained.”
What does it actually take to maintain a web-site that’s up? Nothing! To take it down while still being paid is an act of sabotage.
@Berenyi Peter, @GeologyJim, @Stephen Fisher Rasey,
My understanding is that no biological molecule can exist at a temperature higher than the critical temperature of salt water (somewhere around 384 C). The critical temperature of salt water is reached at a depth of 3 to 5 km [1.86 to 3.12 miles], depending on whether you’re in a continental or marine environment.
http://web.archive.org/web/20111025151824/http://www.gasresources.net/Kenney-NPR.mp3
So how do you explain the creation of hydrocarbons at the depth of the crust or the mantle?
About 400MYA, the Solar System entered the Norma spiral arm of the galaxy and the ice started to form. It took about 70MY to traverse the arm, with cooling all the way. The Carboniferous ice cap peaked approx 290 MYA, about 40MY after leaving the arm. It declined rapidly over the next
20MY. Cosmic rays along the front of the Norma arm may have been pretty fierce.
The Scutum Crux arm was next at about 190MYA or about 100MY later. It generated a double
humped glaciation which doesn’t look to have been particularly strong.
There’s an interesting graphic detailing this at Nir Shaviv’s blog, sciencebits.com.
(MY = MegaYears)
LOL. Thanks. A helicopter would be quite “otrher” problem altogethreer. 😉