Thoughts on IPCC AR5 SPM – discussion thread

There’s so much to talk about in the IPCC AR5 report, and I have other obligations this weekend. So, it seems time for an open thread on the subject.

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A few starting thoughts:

1. It seems news coverage is rather muted. Google News says there are 1087 news media articles that use the phrase “IPCC AR5” as of this writing. That’s low. Typically a major story will get from 2000-4000 stories. Many of the 1087 are blog posts from new media outlets like Huffington Post. The typical outlets like NYT and the Guardian have their obligatory boilerplate coverage, but it doesn’t seem to have much trickle down. The phrase “It doesn’t play in Peoria” might be an apt description of the news coverage.

2. It seems the climate skeptics have landed and have obtained a beachhead. Many stories I’ve viewed contain skeptical opinions, far more so than in 2007 with AR4. Even the NYT in this story U.N. Climate Panel Endorses Ceiling on Global Emissions mentioned the Heartland Institute’s opinion about how many degrees of warming might be expected.

3. The science is apparently not settled at all. The failure of the IPCC to give a “best estimate” number for climate sensitivity, which breaks with tradition in the previous four reports, is remarkable. In a footnote at the bottom of page 11 of the SPM, it seems that there is dissension in the science, and in the ranks:

nobest-estimate-sensitivity[1]

So much for the much ballyhooed “consensus”.

Dr. Roy Spencer sums it up:

A best estimate for climate sensitivity — unarguably THE most important climate change variable — is no longer provided, due to mounting contradictory evidence on whether the climate system really cares very much about whether there are 2, or 3, or 4, parts of CO2 per 10,000 parts atmosphere.

YET…the IPCC claims their confidence has DOUBLED (uncertainty reduced from 10% that 5%) regarding their claim that humans are most of the cause behind the warming trend in the last 50 years or so:

“It is extremely likely that human influence on climate caused more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951-2010.”

4. The things that we saw with the leaked SPM draft that suggested a more moderate approach, seem to have been disappeared. For example, Bob Tisdale has done a before and after comparison here: Side-By-Side Comparison of Draft and Final IPCC AR5 SPM on Warming Plateau and Attribution and noted that “It appears the politicians agreed to delete the attribution discussion of the warming plateau.”

You can do your own comparisons with the two documents:

the final draft (7Jun2013) and the approved final version (27Sep2013)

5. Dr. Richard Lindzen has made a statement, via Climate Depot, that sums up what many of us think, and why AR5 SPM is a credibility train wreck:

I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence.  They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase.

Their excuse for the absence of warming over the past 17 years is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean.  However, this is simply an admission that the models fail to simulate the exchanges of heat between the surface layers and the deeper oceans.  However, it is this heat transport that plays a major role in natural internal variability of climate, and the IPCC assertions that observed warming can be attributed to man depend crucially on their assertion that these models accurately simulate natural internal variability.  Thus, they now, somewhat obscurely, admit that their crucial assumption was totally unjustified.

Finally, in attributing warming to man, they fail to point out that the warming has been small, and totally consistent with there being nothing to be alarmed about.  It is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep the international climate agenda going.

6. On the plus side, contrary to ongoing claims from that alarmist media mill side there are no mentions of tornadoes and hurricanes in the extreme weather events section. They give low confidence to tropical storm activity being connected to climate change, and don’t mention mesoscale events like tornadoes and thunderstorms at all. Similarly, they give low confidence to drought and flood attribution.

They’ve only talked about heat waves and precipitation events and being connected. From Page 4 of the SPM:

IPCC_AR5_SPM_Extreme

IPCC_AR5_SPM_Table1

This is consistent with what was reported last year in the IPCC SREX report ( IPCC Special Report on Extremes PDF)

From Chapter 4 of the SREX:

  • “There is medium evidence and high agreement that long-term trends in normalized losses have not been attributed to natural or anthropogenic climate change”
  • “The statement about the absence of trends in impacts attributable to natural or anthropogenic climate change holds for tropical and extratropical storms and tornados”
  • “The absence of an attributable climate change signal in losses also holds for flood losses”

Let’s hope this lack of attribution of severe storms to “man made climate change” in AR5 finally nails the lid shut on the claims of Hurricane Sandy, tornado outbreaks, and other favorite “lets not let a good crisis go to waste” media bleatings about climate change.

Now with two IPCC reports making no connection, and with Nature’s editorial last year dashing alarmist hopes of linking extreme weather events to global warming saying:

Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming.

…we can finally call it a dead issue.

There’s simply no connection between droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms, flash floods, tornadoes and “climate change”. Note to Brad Johnson of “Forecast the Facts”, and Bill McKibben of 350.org, both of whom daily try to link weather events to climate change: IPCC says STFU.

There are many more things of interest to discuss, but this should provide a good primer. – Anthony

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TomRude
September 28, 2013 4:48 pm

The Globe and Mail in Canada is putting Andrew Weaver on the front line to tell us “Now that climate change is beyond doubt, let’s focus on solving it” by Andrew Weaver
Special to The Globe and Mail
“We can no longer ignore the facts: Global warming is unequivocal, it is caused by us and its consequences will be profound. But that doesn’t mean we can’t solve it.
On Friday, the International Panel on Climate Change released its Summary for Policy Makers – a 36-page document that is considered to be the most comprehensive assessment of climate science ever published.”
And
“Levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide are already higher than at any time in the last 800,000 years and we are on track to take them to levels not seen since the dinosaurs roamed the Earth. In essence, we are turning back the atmospheric clock by tens of millions of years in the span of just a few decades. This trend will lead to the increased occurrence of extreme weather events like Hurricane Sandy, the floods in Calgary and the flashfloods in Boulder, Colo. This rapid rate of change will stress the infrastructure we depend on in our communities and our cities and lead to the widespread extinction of species around the world. And so, I believe, we must take action.”
Weaver has become a laughing stock green elected politician when he recently advocated for the independence of Vancouver Island! His choice of examples terribly undermine what’s left of his scientific background. Once a politician, always a politician; it’s irreversible just like… never mind. 😉

September 28, 2013 4:52 pm

NOAA data shows that the global average ocean temperature from surface to 2000 m depth increased from 1998 to 2012 by only 0.058 °C.
http://data.nodc.noaa.gov/woa/DATA_ANALYSIS/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/DATA/basin/yearly_mt/T-dC-w0-2000m.dat
The temperature change in the layer from 700 to 2000 m increased from 2005 to 2012 by a trivial 0.02 °C. The climate model warming trend of the surface to 700 m layer is 4 times greater than the trend of the measurements as shown here;
http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/FOS Essay/OceanLayerTemp.jpg
Ocean warming cannot explain the global warming hiatus.
The SPM claims

Sufficient observations are available for the period 1992 to 2005 for a global assessment of temperature change below 2000 m. There were likely no significant observed temperature trends between 2000 and 3000 m for this period.

This seem to refute the IPCC speculation that significant heat is hiding in the deep oceans.
Question: Where is this ocean temperature data below 2000 m? It isn’t on the NOAA website.
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/index.html

Pamela Gray
September 28, 2013 4:54 pm

Bob! Too Funny!!!!! Seriously though, maybe this question should be engraved inside the rotunda of the White House as a warning to all others. It captures the epitome of the primrose path better than any statement I have seen. It could stand as a post. Too brief? Just one sentence? It SHOULD be a post. With nothing more added. Our current president could not do better than to admit he led millions of people down that primrose path. Ike has never spoken so loudly as in this current time and space.

milodonharlani
September 28, 2013 4:54 pm

Dodgy Geezer says:
September 28, 2013 at 4:34 pm
SitRep for D-Day Plus One. Not allowed to use the word for which D stands in this case.

September 28, 2013 5:14 pm

TomRude says: September 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Quotes Andrew Weaver via the Globe and Mail,

This trend will lead to the increased occurrence of extreme weather events like Hurricane Sandy, the floods in Calgary and the flashfloods in Boulder, Colo.

We issued a press release on the floods in Calgary:
http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=670
It says,

Before the 2013 flood, the eight worst recorded floods in Calgary’s history occurred before 1933. In 1879 and 1897, the floods were about 35% worse.

So obviously, CO2 emissions and global warming has nothing to do with the occurrences of flooding at Calgary.
Andrew Weaver is responsible for producing the world’s worst climate model. The graph compares the Canadian climate model projection of global average surface temperatures from 1960 to 2040 (blue line) to the observation (red line) as recorded by the Hadley Centre and the Met Office in the U.K. The average of 38 models (green line) is also shown.
http://friendsofscience.org/assets/files/documents/CanESM2.jpg
The Canadian climate model forecasts the most extreme warming for the 21st century of all models. With the model matched to the observations during the 1960s, the discrepancy between the model and 2012 average temperature is 0.71 Celsius.

September 28, 2013 5:23 pm

The URL in my post of September 28, 2013 at 4:52 pm got broken. Try
http://tinyurl.com/ludefz9

Lil Fella from OZ
September 28, 2013 5:26 pm

There is a hidden tragedy in all this. Many good people, including those on Watts up, have had to sacrifice 25% (approx) their life span to fight this nonsense produced by UN IPCC. That is quite sad because all that effort could have been used in a very positive and productive way instead of fighting the fabrication (of ‘science’). I salute and thank these faithful people. Thankfully truth will prevail.

TomRude
September 28, 2013 5:27 pm

Thank you Ken! Glad to see the Globe’s BS being addressed heads on!
More fun from the propagandists who are obviously worried the catastrophy might not be spinned properly and their message be repressed by the world media, barely paying attention to the IPCC… I am not kidding! Read this nutcase:
http://www.straight.com/news/431816/climate-denial-camp-still-framing-ipcc-message?comment_mode=1#add-new-comment
Among Foundations funding the so called “independent” Daily Climate parent company:
The David and Lucile Packard Foundation
The Heinz Endowments
Oak Foundation
The Rockefeller Brothers Fund

September 28, 2013 5:31 pm

milodonharlani says:
September 28, 2013 at 12:10 pm
FrankK says:
September 28, 2013 at 9:39 am
“About 1400 years elapsed between Ptolemy’s work (c. AD 130) & Copernicus’ (1543), but it took another century at least before the heliocentric hypothesis became generally accepted. The Church didn’t allow heliocentric books to be published in Rome until 1822.”
Gentlemen, would you be surprised to learn that Galileo was exhonerated by the Catholic Church in 1992!!! I’m sure he was pleased to learn this. Note this was 4 years after Hansen’s 1988 pitch to congress on global warming.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_was_Galileo_exonerated
Yeah, we may have a long fight on our hands with the Synod of Climate Bishops.

Gerald Machnee
September 28, 2013 5:39 pm

So what the IPCC is saying that they have 95 percent confidence that the zero warming in the last 17 years is due to man.

milodonharlani
September 28, 2013 5:44 pm

Gary Pearse says:
September 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Too much to hope that Hansen will be excommunicated from the AAAS & cast into outer darkness before his earthly demise & return to home planet of Venus, I suppose. House arrest I guess is out of the question, since he has been promptly released after all priors.

Janice Moore
September 28, 2013 5:45 pm

After over 100 comments, this one will likely be read by very few people. That’s okay. If it helps even one AGW true believer to get out, it was worth the time it took to create it.
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Magic Turtle
September 28, 2013 5:47 pm

From Anthony’s starting thoughts No.3, quoting Footnote 16 on Page 11 of SPM:
‘No best estimate for equilibrium climate sensitivity can now be given because of a lack of agreement on values across assessed lines of evidence and studies.’
I wonder if the disagreement is basically over the difference between the IPCC’s best estimate from its speculative climate models (~3°C) in the past and that from supposedly “empirical” sources like the Mauna Loa CO2-data and the HadCRUT4 surface temperature data (~2°C). Up to now the IPCC appears to have studiously ignored this disparity in the foundations of its thought-structure and just presented the best model estimates to public view. But this merely served to cover up the internal contradiction in its thought-system that the disparity represented and ignoring it did not make it disappear. On the contrary, it just made the unseen “empirical” estimate into another member of the elephant herd that’s crowding out its living room. The IPCC must resolve the seemingly-perpetual conflict between its model-results and its empirical data if it is ever to become a credible representative of real, honest-to-goodness climate science.

September 28, 2013 6:32 pm

davidmhoffer says:
September 28, 2013 at 9:57 am
richardscourtney;
a similar situation to this occurred when John Houghton was IPCC Chairman. He then decreed,
“We can rely on the Authors to ensure the Report agrees with the Summary.”
This was done and has been the normal IPCC procedure since then. So, IPCC custom and practice dictate that the AR5 report will be edited to match the SPM.
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So, in other words, the IPCC does things somewhat bass ackwards, right? In high school and college, one does not manipulate a body of a paper to match the closing or summary paragraphs(s) written by someone else; you write the closing to summarize and match the body that YOU wrote. And the summary is written by the politicians, right?
I would thing that this alone should be enough to raise flags of suspicion on the credibility of the IPCC, wouldn’t it? And the former chair of the the panel is openly admitting to it!
As a non-scientist, I would be suspicious of such a panel after hearing this before I even read the “science” in the paper (assuming I would understand it). When criticizing the IPCC, it seems to me that this is something that deserves to get prominently noted and widely disseminated.
At least that’s how I see it for whatever it’s worth.

Monique
September 28, 2013 6:57 pm

Where did the heat in the ocean go? Tchaaah! Straight to the (melting) polar ice caps, of course.
/irony

Justthinkin
September 28, 2013 6:58 pm

And on this day in 1873,the Univestity of East Anglia was founded.Make of it what you may.

September 28, 2013 6:58 pm

If heat were hiding in the ocean depths, raising it a few thousandths of a degree, it’s not hiding from the surface, it’s essentially gone. The ocean depths are colder than the surface, and hence heat cannot move upwards from them. At most, slight warming there might slightly slow the rate at which the surface lost heat to the depths. Thermodynamics sez. It’s the Law.

rogerknights
September 28, 2013 7:14 pm

Robert of Ottawa says:
September 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Keitho,
the “scientists”, activists, politicians and snake-oil salesmen are so heavily committed to this scam, that they cannot, ever, back down. There will always be another excuse.

As a last resort they might say (in effect) of their reliance on models, “But it was the very best butter.”

September 28, 2013 8:06 pm

Tom rude @5:27 heinze endowment is owned and run by obama’s sec of state john kerry’ s wife.mmm

Mike B.
September 28, 2013 10:51 pm

IPCC believer comes unglued during a live interview without his handlers and PR people protecting him. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad. I almost feel sorry for him.
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/09/27/down-under-blunder-david-suzuki-unmasked-as-a-know-nothing-huckster-on-australian-tv

tango
September 28, 2013 11:46 pm
Pethefin
September 29, 2013 12:01 am

Among the herd of elephants in the room, there is an even bigger monster the IPCC seem oblivious about and the “journalist” unable/unwilling to see: if the heat went in to the depths of the oceans without a trace, how can the IPCC be certain that the supposed extra heat didn’t come from there in the first place? How stupid do they think we are, “oceans ate our homework” just doesn’t cut it, unless you belong to the reprogrammed herd of journalist that have participated in the “climate science communication” camps.

richardscourtney
September 29, 2013 12:15 am

CD (@CD153):
Your post at September 28, 2013 at 6:32 pm comments on my having explained the IPCC custom and practice is to adjust IPCC Reports to agree with their summaries.
Please note that David Holland reports (at September 28, 2013 at 10:51 am) that this custom and practice is the official procedure for the AR5, and he provides quote and reference
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/28/thoughts-on-ipcc-ar5-spm-discussion-thread/#comment-1429898
Importantly, this procedure is completely in agreement with the purely political (n.b. NOT scientific) purpose of IPCC Reports as explained in my post in another thread. This links to it
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/27/sorry-ipcc-how-you-portrayed-the-global-temperature-plateau-is-comical-at-best/#comment-1428167
Richard

Jeff Mitchell
September 29, 2013 12:19 am

I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but this article in the Daily Mail seems to treat the report as gospel and tells of this weatherman who is breaking down because he believes the trash they are spreading.
I don’t have the social skill to tell someone they’ve been suckered politely. The article is at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2436551/A-weatherman-breaks-tears-vows-NEVER-fly-grim-climate-change-report.html?ICO=most_read_module

September 29, 2013 12:24 am

Imagine if all the people of the Earth believed the climate of the planet is not our fault?