Thoughts on IPCC AR5 SPM – discussion thread

There’s so much to talk about in the IPCC AR5 report, and I have other obligations this weekend. So, it seems time for an open thread on the subject.

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A few starting thoughts:

1. It seems news coverage is rather muted. Google News says there are 1087 news media articles that use the phrase “IPCC AR5” as of this writing. That’s low. Typically a major story will get from 2000-4000 stories. Many of the 1087 are blog posts from new media outlets like Huffington Post. The typical outlets like NYT and the Guardian have their obligatory boilerplate coverage, but it doesn’t seem to have much trickle down. The phrase “It doesn’t play in Peoria” might be an apt description of the news coverage.

2. It seems the climate skeptics have landed and have obtained a beachhead. Many stories I’ve viewed contain skeptical opinions, far more so than in 2007 with AR4. Even the NYT in this story U.N. Climate Panel Endorses Ceiling on Global Emissions mentioned the Heartland Institute’s opinion about how many degrees of warming might be expected.

3. The science is apparently not settled at all. The failure of the IPCC to give a “best estimate” number for climate sensitivity, which breaks with tradition in the previous four reports, is remarkable. In a footnote at the bottom of page 11 of the SPM, it seems that there is dissension in the science, and in the ranks:

nobest-estimate-sensitivity[1]

So much for the much ballyhooed “consensus”.

Dr. Roy Spencer sums it up:

A best estimate for climate sensitivity — unarguably THE most important climate change variable — is no longer provided, due to mounting contradictory evidence on whether the climate system really cares very much about whether there are 2, or 3, or 4, parts of CO2 per 10,000 parts atmosphere.

YET…the IPCC claims their confidence has DOUBLED (uncertainty reduced from 10% that 5%) regarding their claim that humans are most of the cause behind the warming trend in the last 50 years or so:

“It is extremely likely that human influence on climate caused more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951-2010.”

4. The things that we saw with the leaked SPM draft that suggested a more moderate approach, seem to have been disappeared. For example, Bob Tisdale has done a before and after comparison here: Side-By-Side Comparison of Draft and Final IPCC AR5 SPM on Warming Plateau and Attribution and noted that “It appears the politicians agreed to delete the attribution discussion of the warming plateau.”

You can do your own comparisons with the two documents:

the final draft (7Jun2013) and the approved final version (27Sep2013)

5. Dr. Richard Lindzen has made a statement, via Climate Depot, that sums up what many of us think, and why AR5 SPM is a credibility train wreck:

I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence.  They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase.

Their excuse for the absence of warming over the past 17 years is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean.  However, this is simply an admission that the models fail to simulate the exchanges of heat between the surface layers and the deeper oceans.  However, it is this heat transport that plays a major role in natural internal variability of climate, and the IPCC assertions that observed warming can be attributed to man depend crucially on their assertion that these models accurately simulate natural internal variability.  Thus, they now, somewhat obscurely, admit that their crucial assumption was totally unjustified.

Finally, in attributing warming to man, they fail to point out that the warming has been small, and totally consistent with there being nothing to be alarmed about.  It is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep the international climate agenda going.

6. On the plus side, contrary to ongoing claims from that alarmist media mill side there are no mentions of tornadoes and hurricanes in the extreme weather events section. They give low confidence to tropical storm activity being connected to climate change, and don’t mention mesoscale events like tornadoes and thunderstorms at all. Similarly, they give low confidence to drought and flood attribution.

They’ve only talked about heat waves and precipitation events and being connected. From Page 4 of the SPM:

IPCC_AR5_SPM_Extreme

IPCC_AR5_SPM_Table1

This is consistent with what was reported last year in the IPCC SREX report ( IPCC Special Report on Extremes PDF)

From Chapter 4 of the SREX:

  • “There is medium evidence and high agreement that long-term trends in normalized losses have not been attributed to natural or anthropogenic climate change”
  • “The statement about the absence of trends in impacts attributable to natural or anthropogenic climate change holds for tropical and extratropical storms and tornados”
  • “The absence of an attributable climate change signal in losses also holds for flood losses”

Let’s hope this lack of attribution of severe storms to “man made climate change” in AR5 finally nails the lid shut on the claims of Hurricane Sandy, tornado outbreaks, and other favorite “lets not let a good crisis go to waste” media bleatings about climate change.

Now with two IPCC reports making no connection, and with Nature’s editorial last year dashing alarmist hopes of linking extreme weather events to global warming saying:

Better models are needed before exceptional events can be reliably linked to global warming.

…we can finally call it a dead issue.

There’s simply no connection between droughts, hurricanes, thunderstorms, flash floods, tornadoes and “climate change”. Note to Brad Johnson of “Forecast the Facts”, and Bill McKibben of 350.org, both of whom daily try to link weather events to climate change: IPCC says STFU.

There are many more things of interest to discuss, but this should provide a good primer. – Anthony

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FrankK
September 28, 2013 9:39 am

As time goes on the IPCC reminds me more each day of a 21st Century Claudius Ptolemy with his geocentric consensus theories that lasted for nearly 1400 years. His theories to explain the observed movements of planets were so convoluted and inconsistent that they now seem to us comical given that the whole basis of his conceptual model was total wrong (think of humans being responsible for climate change and extreme events). Lets hope our world politicians wake up well before another 1400years of trillions spent on total hogwash.

September 28, 2013 9:39 am

Neil Jordan
Try using Tinyurl and your mega link shrinks to http://tinyurl.com/k5e9xv9
;o))

September 28, 2013 9:39 am

Greg Goodman;
So this para actually boils down to a statement that it’s due to a quiet sun. In comparison to 30 years of ridiculing such a suggestion this is quite an about face.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is not only an about face, it is an actual contradiction of what they said in the leaked second order draft, which says, and I quote from Ch11:
Possible future reductions in solar irradiance would act to cool global mean surface air temperature
57 but such cooling is unlikely to exceed –0.1oC by 2050 (medium confidence).

As many holes and misleading statements as there are in the SPM, we now have to watch all the peas under all the thimbles. Will the final draft of the full AR5 report contradict the SPM? Or will we see an AR5 report that has been edited to match the SPM?

Graham
September 28, 2013 9:47 am

Presumably to achieve a forcing level of 3 they must be relying in positive feedback, yet if the heat is hiding at the bottom of the ocean it would also remove the provide feedback and so this begs the question where did the heat come from that the oceans are hiding!

September 28, 2013 9:47 am

davidmhoffer:
At September 28, 2013 at 9:39 am you ask
Will the final draft of the full AR5 report contradict the SPM? Or will we see an AR5 report that has been edited to match the SPM?
a similar situation to this occurred when John Houghton was IPCC Chairman. He then decreed,
“We can rely on the Authors to ensure the Report agrees with the Summary.”
This was done and has been the normal IPCC procedure since then. So, IPCC custom and practice dictate that the AR5 report will be edited to match the SPM.
This custom and practice enabled the infamous ‘Chapter 8’ scandal so perhaps it should – at long last – be changed.
Richard

Jeff D.
September 28, 2013 9:47 am

Happened to catch a little snippet on CNN yesterday as the IPCC report came spouting how horrible CAGW was and how Miami beach was underwater during high tide. From other research i have looked at in the past revealed sea level was rising at rate that even a snail could outrun I had to dig a bit deeper to find out that Miami Beach is one of many areas experiencing subsidence. Funny how Wolf didn’t mention that.. For the report GW was to blame for the sinking of a city. But what else would i expect from MSM…

September 28, 2013 9:48 am

Sorry for the error in formatting of my post to davidmhoffer. Richard

September 28, 2013 9:57 am

richardscourtney;
a similar situation to this occurred when John Houghton was IPCC Chairman. He then decreed,
“We can rely on the Authors to ensure the Report agrees with the Summary.”
This was done and has been the normal IPCC procedure since then. So, IPCC custom and practice dictate that the AR5 report will be edited to match the SPM.
This custom and practice enabled the infamous ‘Chapter 8′ scandal so perhaps it should – at long last – be changed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yep, my assumption is that the full report is being published after the summary for the express purpose of enabling this. Should be changed, but won’t be is my guess. With the SOD having been leaked though, I’m not sure how much they can get away with. Beyond understanding how much they can get away with, we must also keep in mind the adage that one should not ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. I expect that the final AR5 full report will provide us with much amusement as the issues come to light and the IPCC spins itself in circles “explaining” things while we engage in conjecture as to the root cause of each one.

Jeremy
September 28, 2013 9:59 am

One question remains unanswered.
“What has the World got to show for decades of research and BILLIONS of taxpayer funds allocated to global warming?”
Of course, we know what THEY got….possibly the biggest boondoggle in the history of pseudo-science fraud since alchemists claimed they could make gold.

tony nordberg
September 28, 2013 10:04 am

I am sure that everybody would agree that fossil fuel use is high and rising, and that we should be improving the efficiency of the processes that convert these sources. Also that we should be finding alternative sources of power. Now whilst the IPCC and the warmists are also working towards these laudable ends, they are clearly using misanthropic methods.
As Eliot says in his Murder in the Cathedral;
“….. the greatest treason. To do the right deed for the wrong reason.”
As for the UNIPCC itself, it is yet another example of the unacceptable face of Globalisation

September 28, 2013 10:04 am

Richard Lindzen said @Clmate Depot,
“I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase.
[. . .]”

– – – – – – – –
To the community interested in the history of Western Philosophy, can you see Hegel’s dialectic in the IPCC’s open contraction representing ‘science’. The key IPCC Bureau’s intellects are mocking rational science’s insistence on logic of non-contradiction. Hegel’s epistemology was the wannabe irrationalist’s green light for ‘pseudo-science’ assuming the role of science.
In Richard Lindzen’s statement there are even more clues to the IPCC being a safe haven for anti-scientific irrationalism mimicking science (pseudo-science). More comments in that regard to follow.
John

David Holland
September 28, 2013 10:51 am

Richard,
As for changing the underlying reports, that’s what Appendix A states, albeit in Latin.

4.6 Reports Approved and Adopted by the Panel
Reports approved and adopted by the Panel will be the Synthesis Report of the Assessment Reports and other Reports as decided by the Panel whereby Section 4.4 applies mutatis mutandis.

Mike McMillan
September 28, 2013 10:52 am

I may have missed this earlier, but did anyone else see the Natl Geographic “Earth Under Water” video? It takes up where the NG Statue of Liberty under water cover left off.

Dr Hansen gets a bit part.

London247
September 28, 2013 11:01 am

1-Does the IPCC designate an optimum level of CO2 in the atmosphere? This trace gas 350 parts per million ( just imagine if you has a debt of $ 1 Million and offered to pay off $ 350 would your creditors be happy?) Would they like zero? The Marxist inspired self hatred on nations, then personal views has now evolved into the self hatred of all life.
2- The missing heat in the oceans. I think I understand the difference between heat, temperature and thermal capacity and have a basic understanding of fluids. And even with the new blackholes in the ocean it remains a fact that water is more bouyant when warm and will rise. Thus there is a circulatory system in the upper layers of the ocean. On a toal speculation I would suggest that this circulation level is no more than 100 m on the basis tht the Ceolocanth has survived more than 400 million years below this depth. And that species has outlived, and is likely to outlive, most species on Earth today

September 28, 2013 11:03 am

Questions to IPCC.
What specific data are there in this report compared to the last report which is the cause of the increase in the confidence level from 90% to 95% in the assertion that human influence is responsible for most of the warming since 1950?
And
Isn’t this an admission by the IPCC that because the warming during this period has only been about 0.12 degree C per decade that this warming is not alarming?

rtj1211
September 28, 2013 11:20 am

Go read Michael Mann in the UK Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/28/ipcc-climate-change-deniers
The usual nonsense with ad hominems in the blog comments.

Birdieshooter
September 28, 2013 11:36 am

It is apparent that the writers’ first language is not English. Do you think they could hire a couple of 7th grade English teachers to write coherent sentences for them?

Billy Liar
September 28, 2013 11:48 am

Jeff Patterson says:
September 28, 2013 at 8:58 am
A very clear exposition. Can you persuade Anthony to make it a post? Preferably after all the AR5 fuss dies down so that it gets the attention it deserves.

Theo Goodwin
September 28, 2013 11:56 am

John Whitman says:
September 28, 2013 at 10:04 am
Yes. Follow that with Marx’s elevation of Mankind to Godly power and wisdom. Marx’s Central Committee, or whatever you want to call it, plans the very conditions of Mankind’s existence through planning the conditions of Mankind’s work. Marx, too, was committed to dialectic. On several occasions, I have had the Dialectics of Nature explained to me. I was too polite.

milodonharlani
September 28, 2013 11:56 am

Maybe its impending sale has prompted at least elements of the LA Times to begin to practice journalism:
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-climate-change-uncertainty-20130923,0,791164.story

milodonharlani
September 28, 2013 11:58 am

Mike McMillan says:
September 28, 2013 at 10:52 am
Like most religions, CACA needs its own Flood Myth.

Jimbo
September 28, 2013 12:02 pm

Marcel Crok of De staat van het klimaat explains why he thinks the IPCC did not give us a ‘best estimate’ of climate sensitivity in th Summary For Policymakers.

Tradition
Ever since the Charney report in 1979, national and international reports about climate have given a best estimate for climate sensitivity. So to speak in IPCC terminology, it is unprecedented not to give one……………
Now why didn’t IPCC bring us this good news?
IPCC reports rely for a large part on the climate models. All the claims about the future are fully or partly based on the GCMs. These models are also used to determine climate sensitivity. Now here comes the problem. The climate sensitivity of the CMIP5 models (used for AR5) is on average 3°C. Real world observations however indicate climate sensitivity is much lower, between 1.5°C and 2°C. Admitting that these observationally based estimates are more reliable, would be like admitting that the models are less reliable. This would then question all the projections that are mentioned in AR5.

Booooom! All those years of work gone in a flash? This can’t be allowed to happen.

milodonharlani
September 28, 2013 12:10 pm

FrankK says:
September 28, 2013 at 9:39 am
About 1400 years elapsed between Ptolemy’s work (c. AD 130) & Copernicus’ (1543), but it took another century at least before the heliocentric hypothesis became generally accepted. The Church didn’t allow heliocentric books to be published in Rome until 1822.
Let’s hope it doesn’t take that long for CACA finally to be tossed on the trash heap of scientific historical shame.

Frans Franken
September 28, 2013 12:11 pm

On the secret IPCC climate sensitivity.
They pursue a restrictive “carbon budget”, stating that it takes a trillion metric tons of carbon to be burned for the earth to warm up 2C:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/28/science/global-climate-change-report.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
“No more than one trillion metric tons of carbon could be burned and the resulting gases released into the atmosphere, the panel found, if planetary warming is to be kept below 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius) above the level of preindustrial times. That temperature is a target above which scientists believe the most dangerous effects of climate change would begin to occur.”
In order to be able to state this, they must know:
– what amounts of CO2 are released into and discharged from the atmosphere by other processes than fossil fuel burning;
– what principal effect the total release of CO2 has on planetary warming;
– what the feedbacks are in response to the CO2-only(/no-feedback) temperature increase;
– therefore: what the climate sensitivity is, in their view.
If not clarified, the “carbon budget”, in Pachauri’s wording is voodoo science.