The WUWT Hot Sheet for Monday August 26th, 2013

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Neutral advice from the IPCC?

By Richard Ingham (AFP) – 3 hours ago

PARIS — A leaden cloak of responsibility lies on the shoulders of UN scientists as they put the final touches to the first volume of a massive report that will give the world the most detailed picture yet of climate change.

Due to be unveiled in Stockholm on September 27, the document will be scrutinised word by word by green groups, fossil-fuel lobbies and governments to see if it will yank climate change out of prolonged political limbo.

The report will kick off the fifth assessment by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), an expert body set up in 1988 to provide neutral advice on global warming and its impacts.  http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hHmcL4DZjT-PZWhEHO3VDb5gjsrA?docId=CNG.db54bf0fa84dd93ad7cf71578fe1dcef.681

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Regarding your “Trenberth’s IPCC claim” post, you may like to mention Green & Armstrong (2007) (available here)  in which we addressed Trenberth’s IPCC-don’t-forecast line in some detail. As far as I’m aware, our subsequent paper (Green, Armstrong, & Soon 2009, here) provides the *only* forecast of global mean temperatures over the 21st Century. That is, we state that we are making a forecast (not a scenario or projection), the forecast is stated clearly (annual average temperatures will be within 0.5 C of the 2008 figure), and is unconditional (no matter what happens to CO2 emissions, etc). Unlike Trenberth et al., who try to have it both ways by calling for “action” but aren’t prepared to say they are making forecasts, we stand by our forecast and the clear implication that government climate policies are neither needed nor desirable.

Cheers,  Dr Kesten C Green

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Park Service personnel recently discovered evidence of a buried forest dating back to at least 1170 AD high in the Forelands near the current glacier’s edge…Exit Glacier advanced from the Harding Icefield during the Little Ice Age, burying this existing forest and  advancing to a maximum marked by the terminal moraine dated to 1815…

http://www.nps.gov/kefj/naturescience/upload/The%20Retreat%20of%20Exit%20Glacier.pdf

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It’s baaaaaaack….

Eastern US water supplies threatened by a legacy of acid rain

Noted ecologist Gene Likens, founding director of the Cary Institute of Ecosystem Studies and a co-discoverer of acid rain, was among the study’s authors. The extent of alkalinity change in streams and rivers exceeded his expectations: “This is another example of the widespread impact humans are having on natural systems. Policymakers and the public think that the acid rain problem has gone away, but it has not.”

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-08/cioe-euw082613.php

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Dr. Roy Spencer continues his greenhouse experiments:

In Part I of this series, I mentioned how Wood’s (1909) “greenhouse box” experiment, which he claimed suggested that a real greenhouse did not operate through “trapping” of infrared radiation, was probably not described well enough to conclude anything of substance. I provided Wood’s original published “Note”, which was only a few paragraphs, and in which he admitted that he covered the issue in only cursory detail.

Wood’s experiment was not described well enough to replicate. We have no idea how much sunlight was passed through his plate of rock salt-covered box versus the glass-covered box. We also don’t know exactly how he placed another glass window over the rock salt window, which if it was very close at all, invalidated the whole experiment.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2013/08/revisiting-woods-1909-greenhouse-box-experiment-part-ii-first-results/

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New witch hunt: “Environmental Campaign Suggests Naming Vicious Storms After Climate-Change Deniers”

Environmental Campaign Suggests Naming Vicious Storms After Climate-Change Deniers

New York agency Barton F. Graf has turned its roguish attention to the issue of climate change, and is helping 350 Action, a climate change activist group, with the amusing video below. According to the YouTube description: “Since 1954, the World Meteorological Organization has been naming extreme storms after people. But we propose a new naming system. One that names extreme storms caused by climate change, after the policy makers who deny climate change and obstruct climate policy. If you agree, sign the petition at climatenamechange.org.” The snarky tone preaches to the choir, but it’s hard to resist lines like, “If you value your life, please seek shelter from Michele Bachmann.”

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Satellite temps flat for 200 months now

by Werner Brozek

If the global warming era started in June 1988 with Jim Hansen’s drama-queen congressional testimony, then atmospheric temps have been flat 67% of the time since.

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garymount
August 26, 2013 7:05 pm

Chad Wozniak says:
August 26, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Who is CB?

CB is a commenter on the named storms article.

August 26, 2013 7:05 pm

Off topic, but do you have a spot here to put “Examples of Idiocy at http://www.weather.com“?
This text accompanied a video of a large wave coming ashore:
“30 Injured by Giant Waves: August 24, 2013 – A huge tidal wave in China’s eastern Zhejiang Province sent people running, leaving at least 30 injured. It was caused by Typhoon Trami.”
Now, last I checked, a “tidal wave” (otherwise known as a “tsunami”) is not caused by a hurricane/cyclone/typhoon, but by seismic activity, landslides, and meteor/comet impacts. So, there’s only one logical conclusion here if hurricanes are now strong enough to cause seismic activity, landslides, and meteor/comet impacts. And that, of course is…..
“It’s worse than we thought.”
(sarc; but it just shows how far the Weather Channel has fallen)

Pete Olson
August 26, 2013 7:44 pm

Frank: What is a ‘graf’? If you mean goofy mistake, the word is ‘gaffe’:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaffe

wayne
August 26, 2013 8:05 pm

New witch hunt: “Environmental Campaign Suggests Naming Vicious Storms After Climate-Change Deniers”
And we can now name all of the blizzards using their names. How childish can you get! And they call themselves “scientists” or followers of sceince… NOT!

MThompson
August 26, 2013 8:08 pm

I especially liked the table on the last page of the Exit Glacier article showing two orders of magnitude in the range of the annual rate of retreat.

george e. smith
August 26, 2013 8:21 pm

Well I’m OK with that; they can name one of those terror storms after me; provided of course, they do so while it is still just off the Africa coast, so I can watch the whole thing create mayhem, from start to finish.
I wouldn’t want one that went flat before making landfall, like Sandy did. I’d be embarrassed, if I was Sandy.

OssQss
August 26, 2013 8:31 pm

Roy Spencer says:
August 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Hurricane Roy doesn’t sound very menacing to me. But I would be honored nonetheless.
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Too late, the internet already produced it some how. Go figure !
It is just too easy to look stuff up with voice commands on a mobile device now days. 😉
http://simcityhurricanes.wikia.com/wiki/Hurricane_Roy

CRS, DrPH
August 26, 2013 8:32 pm

Go ahead, name a hurricane after Sen. Jim Inhofe! I know Jim, he’d like it!

Brian H
August 26, 2013 8:38 pm

A money quote from Dr. Green’s paper, above:

Comparative empirical studies have routinely concluded that judgmental
forecasting by experts is the least accurate of the methods available to make forecasts.
For example, Ascher (1978, p. 200), in his analysis of long-term forecasts of electricity
consumption found that was the case.

What’s old (2007) is new again:

Does the IPCC report provide climate forecasts?
Trenberth (2007) and others have claimed that the IPCC does not provide forecasts but
rather presents “scenarios” or “projections.” As best as we can tell, these terms are
used by the IPCC authors to indicate that they provide “conditional forecasts.”
Presumably the IPCC authors hope that readers, especially policy makers, will find at
least one of their conditional forecast series plausible and will act as if it will come
true if no action is taken. As it happens, the word “forecast” and its derivatives
occurred 37 times, and “predict” and its derivatives occurred 90 times in the body of
Chapter 8. Recall also that most of our respondents (29 of whom were IPCC authors
or reviewers) nominated the IPCC report as the most credible source of forecasts (not
“scenarios” or “projections”) of global average temperature. We conclude that the
IPCC does provide forecasts.

Chuck Nolan
August 26, 2013 8:42 pm

George says:
August 26, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Wow. Read the comments on the 350 story. CB is a climate fundamentalist. No heresy allowed!
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CB’s a maroon.
cn

Brian H
August 26, 2013 8:44 pm

Pete Olson says:
August 26, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Frank: What is a ‘graf’? If you mean goofy mistake, the word is ‘gaffe’:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaffe

Duh-duh dum. Did you read the post? I thought not. ‘Graf’ is the name of the ‘dong who produced the 350 video.

tobias
August 26, 2013 9:20 pm

I cannot resist and neither will be the “anointed one”, no matter where the alphabetical order would be , the minute he would find out how to name the next Hurricane (Teleprompter needed) , Cyclone, Typhoon, etc. “he from the heaven” would call the storm “Michelle “, LOL, BTW (It would to me be a depression or a record breaking low)

page488
August 26, 2013 9:28 pm

Great HotSheet!
The dude that wrote the hyperbole from Paris was the best. That kid worked harrrrrrrd on that tale!

August 26, 2013 9:41 pm

The year 2007 claim of Green and Armstrong errs in its opposition to the year 2007 claim of Trenberth. Trenberth claims that the IPCC climate models do not “predict.” According to Trenberth, These models “project.” ( http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2007/06/predictions_of_climate.html ).
A model that predicts conveys information to a policy maker about the outcomes from his or her policy decision. A model that projects conveys no such information. Thus, the IPCC climate models are useless for the purpose of making policy.

Editor
August 26, 2013 9:52 pm

Roy Spencer says:
August 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm

Hurricane Roy doesn’t sound very menacing to me. But I would be honored nonetheless.

I claim dibs on Cyclone Willis …
w.

RACookPE1978
Editor
August 26, 2013 10:02 pm

Hmmmn.
Willy cyclone, or won’t he cyclone?
Regardless, they will always face Gail force winds …

Choey Tuqiri
August 26, 2013 10:18 pm

Hurricane Choey? No one would believe it. Oh well.

Pete Olson
August 26, 2013 11:25 pm

H: Oops! A pun slips me by…

August 26, 2013 11:47 pm

Now that’s going to put them off if you lot get excited about storms being named after you. It could be like a lottery, “And the winner is…” 🙂

FrankK
August 26, 2013 11:53 pm

Yes the willy willy storm sounds good. Wait a minute a willy-willy is what the aussies call a tiny dust tornado in the outback.Too bad! Its pretty much inconsequential.

John Bochan
August 27, 2013 12:37 am

Re: Naming Vicious Storms After Climate-Change Deniers
Using IPCC scale of confidence levels for policy makers, there is low confidence (minimal concensus or agreement regardless of evidence) in naming storms after climate-deniers. Although on the bright side, it is virtually certain (full agreement or concensus (97%?) and robust or limited evidence) that hotspots would be named after climate-alarmists; example, “Trenberth’s missing hotspot”. /sarc
Extracts [my bolds] supporting this sarc idea from a 2012 IPCC special report brochure with a long-winded name. Explanations of confidence scale is detailed at the end of the brochure.
http://ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/images/uploads/SREX-SPMbrochure_FINAL.pdf
On Climate Extremes and Impacts

Models project substantial warming in temperature extremes by the end of the 21st century. It is virtually certain that increases in the frequency and magnitude of warm daily temperature extremes and decreases in cold extremes will occur in the 21st century at the global scale…

Average tropical cyclone maximum wind speed is likely to increase, although increases may not occur in all ocean basins. It is likely that the global frequency of tropical cyclones will either decrease or remain essentially unchanged. [3.4.4]

There is medium confidence that there will be a reduction in the number of extratropical cyclones averaged over each hemisphere. While there is low confidence in the detailed geographical projections of extratropical cyclone activity, there is medium confidence in a projected poleward shift of extratropical storm tracks.There is low confidence in projections of small spatial-scale phenomena such as tornadoes and hail because competing physical processes may affect future trends and because current climate models do not simulate such phenomena. [3.3.2, 3.3.3, 3.4.5]…

There is low confidence in projections of changes in large-scale patterns of natural climate variability. Confidence is low in projections of changes in monsoons (rainfall, circulation) because there is little consensus in climate models regarding the sign of future change in the monsoons. Model projections of changes in El Niño–Southern Oscillation variability and the frequency of El Niño episodes are not consistent, and so there is low confidence in projections of changes in this phenomenon.

On Human Impacts and Disaster Losses[my comment: really? given what they said above]

Increases in exposure will result in higher direct economic losses from tropical cyclones. Losses will also depend on future changes in tropical cyclone frequency and intensity (high confidence)

We need to understand the confidence in climate projections. From same report: Climate Extremes and Impacts

Confidence in projecting changes in the direction and magnitude of climate extremes depends on many factors, including the type of extreme, the region and season, the amount and quality of observational data, the level of understanding of the underlying processes, and the reliability of their simulation in models. Projected changes in climate extremes under different emissions scenarios generally do not strongly diverge in the coming two to three decades, but these signals are relatively small compared to natural climate variability over this time frame. Even the sign of projected changes in some climate extremes over this time frame is uncertain. For projected changes by the end of the 21st century, either model uncertainty or uncertainties associated with emissions scenarios used becomes dominant, depending on the extreme. Low-probability, high-impact changes associated with the crossing of poorly understood climate thresholds cannot be excluded, given the transient and complex nature of the climate system. Assigning ‘low confidence’ for projections of a specific extreme neither implies nor excludes the possibility of changes in this extreme

And again we need to clarify what a climate projection is. From IPCC AR4 glossary:

Climate projection
A projection of the response of the climate system to emission or concentration scenarios of greenhouse gases and aerosols, or radiative forcing scenarios, often based upon simulations by climate models. Climate projections are distinguished from climate predictions in order to emphasise that climate projections depend upon the emission/concentration/radiative forcing scenario used, which are based on assumptions concerning, for example, future socioeconomic and technological developments that may or may not be realised and are therefore subject to substantial uncertainty.

BTW, What is the WMO definition of a vicious storm?

August 27, 2013 1:07 am
Ian Cooper
August 27, 2013 2:20 am

Cheers back to Dr Kesten C Green. Fascinating and timely, especially in light of recent comments by some eminent sceptics who also called the models useless, and for pretty much the same reasons!
As we say down here in the Antipodes, “Grouse!”
Cheers,
Coops

KNR
August 27, 2013 2:30 am

Its simple no AGW , no IPCC , now does anyone want to bet want the ‘report ‘ will say ?

Bloke down the pub
August 27, 2013 2:35 am

New witch hunt: “Environmental Campaign Suggests Naming Vicious Storms After Climate-Change Deniers”
Ooh ooh , please can I have one? Only trouble is, at current rate I’ll never get to see it.