Solar cycle 24 continues the slump

Salvatore Del Prete says:
August 15, 2013 at 11:48 am
This is why it is very difficult to come up with correlations because there are so many parts of the climate system moving at the same time and many times in opposition as far as their eventual impacts on the climate.
and is the very reason it is very difficult to show that the Sun has much to do with anything. Your argument cuts both ways.

leif says
CO2 has undoubtedly made a contribution
henry asks
so
what is it?
net warming
or
net cooling
henry says
it is nothing or next to nothing compared to natural factors
as proven
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/

leif says
I take a dim view of people who say that they have ‘proven’ anything.
henry says
if you remove a few people like Galileo, Newton, Edison, Einstein etc
where would we be today?
what did you think of my 4th connection (the planets)?
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2013/04/29/the-climate-is-changing/

HenryP says:
August 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm
if you remove a few people like Galileo, Newton, Edison, Einstein etc
where would we be today?
I take an even dimmer view of people who compare themselves with Galileo, Newton, etc
what did you think of my 4th connection (the planets)?
Not much.
Argiris Diamantis says:
August 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm
I presume that dr. Svalgaard does not agree with his collegue the famous astrophycisist Piers Corbyn?
Piers is not a famous ‘astrophycisist’ [sic].
Time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
No matter what happens, Corbyn and his followers [and clients] will say that they were right. As for the clients, they have to say so, because they paid good money for this and nobody wants to admit they have been fools.

“Could be the equivalent of a nuclear winter.”
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“Sleepy Solar Cycle Foretells Icy Decades Ahead,” say Friends of Science. “Global Cooling is more likely than Global Warming.”
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A Little Ice Age is predicted based on solar patterns. It could be the equivalent of a nuclear winter, says Len Maier, president of Friends of Science. “At such a time, an abundance of carbon dioxide (CO2) would be a benefit. CO2 helps crops grow.”
NASA – Solar patterns are repeating themselves right now
The last “Little Ice Age,” from about 1350-1850, coincided with a period of very low sunspot activity, frigid temperatures and crop failures. NASA reports that such solar patterns are repeating themselves right now as the sun’s cycle 24 “maximum” peaks.
This winter and spring, snow storms blanketed the US and Europe in unexpected fury. This despite Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) scientists previous claims that global warming would make snowfall “a very rare and exciting event“.
Climate models issued by the IPCC overestimated the warming trends in the tropical atmosphere since 1979 by

Piers Corbyn should not be taken lightly. In this enviroment (global warming subjectiveness ) it is hard for scientist like Piers to get papers published by the establishment because it goes against what they want to hear.

Leif Svalgaard calls followers and clients of Piers Corbyn “fools”. He says Piers Corbyn is not a famous astrophysicist.
There is a discussion forum on WUWT (Anthony Watts) about Solar Cycle 24 continues to slump. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/13/solar-cycle-24-continues-the-slump/#comments.
I have put a recent posting from Piers on that forum (the message of the age) and I have asked dr. Svalgaard to comment on this.
This is what he said:
Argiris Diamantis says:
August 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm
I presume that dr. Svalgaard does not agree with his colleague the famous astrophysicist Piers Corbyn?
Enter ‘Corbyn’ in http://adswww.harvard.edu/ and see the publications and citations of Corbyn. There are none by Piers.
Time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
No matter what happens, Corbyn and his followers [and clients] will say that they were right. As for the clients, they have to say so, because they paid good money for this and nobody wants to admit they have been fools.
So far the very dissapointing reaction from dr. Svalgaard.
Piers Corbyn has predicted the coldest winter in a century. That prediction was right, and the chance this was just coincidence is very, very small. Svalgaard had not predicted this. Time after time Piers’ predictions turned out to be right. I guess the Harvard library is full of scientific articles written by people whose predictions turned out to be wrong. In my eyes Piers is a top scientist, and Boris Johnson – the London mayor – agrees with me. Leif Svalgaard had better choose his words more carefully. The theory behind Piers’ SLAT (Solar Lunar Action) technique must be right because the predictions based on it were right. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Like the late Feynman used to say: If the theory doesn’t fit the facts, the theory is wrong. The Harvard library that Svalgaard refers to is full of studies that did not fit the facts. The definition of a top astrophysicist is not someone whose name is on the Harvard list (the list of failures, like the far too many greenhouse gas bla-bla-bla studies), but someone whose theory is confirmed by the facts. We will see who is right and who is wrong, time will tell. If I were a gambler, I would put my money on Piers Corbyn.

Argiris Diamantis says:
August 16, 2013 at 12:06 pm
He says Piers Corbyn is not a famous astrophysicist.
And right I am: Enter ‘Corbyn’ in http://adswww.harvard.edu/ and see the publications and citations of Corbyn. There are none by Piers. So, not an astrophysicist and not famous. Perhaps ‘infamous’ or ‘notorious’ is what you meant. Please confirm.
In my eyes Piers is a top scientist … If I were a gambler, I would put my money on Piers Corbyn.
Perhaps you did already, and don’t want to appear to be a fool.
Some comments on WUWT might enlighten you: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/15/willis-on-why-piers-corbyn-claims-such-a-high-success-rate/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/15/willis-on-why-piers-corbyn-claims-such-a-high-success-rate/

I just watched the news now:
there is flooding in Asia
exactly as I had predicted:
more clouds and rain latitude [-30<x<30]
due to global cooling
(which will accelerate further global cooling)
.
Much worse is still to come
>[40] it will become drier, much drier…
It is just sad for me to know that nobody is listening.
[or less than 40 ? Mod]

On the threshold of a Little Ice Age
By Robert On August 16, 2013 · 2 Comments
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“Unavoidable advance towards a deep temperature drop.”
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Peter Ferrara, Forbes Contributor, has written a wonderful article entitled “To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here.”
“On the threshold of a mini-Maunder event”
In that article he quotes NASA’s Science News report for January 8, 2013,
“Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.”
“That is even more significant,” says Ferrara, “because NASA’s climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who recently announced his retirement.”
“This same concern is increasingly being echoed worldwide,” Ferrara continues, quoting from The Voice of Russia on April

Salvatore Del Prete says:
August 17, 2013 at 10:54 am
climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysterics
Now being replaced by little ice age hysterics…
But not all are hysterical: http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/jma/meehl_grand_solar_2013.pdf

Dear dr. Svalgaard,
It is no use denying that Piers Corbyn is an astrophysicist, I wonder why you say such things. Already as a child Piers was occupied with physics. I will quote now some achievements during his adult life from his very extensive CV:
Quote: Academic achievements …
Piers won a Royal Scholarship to Imperial College London in 1965 to study Physics,
– came top of the class in the first exam there.
– was President of The Royal College Of Science Mathematical and Physical Society for one year
and organised a series of notable ‘pretty exciting’ lectures on ‘Problems and Paradoxes in Physics’, the
most notable contributor at the time being Professor PMS Blackett President of The Royal Society on
‘Rock Magnetism’
– obtained a first class honours degree in Physics from Imperial College in 1968
– President Of Imperial College student Union 1969-1970 (and entertained HM Queen for Tea at IC
in Autumn 1969)
Piers has carried out research in superconductivity (at IC), and – at QMC and independently – in
cosmology, solar physics and Sun-Earth relations and (more recently) in Sun-Earth weather links and in
He has lectured extensively and set exams in mathematics and Physics at South Bank University,
Goldsmiths College (University of London) and other institutions.
He holds an MSc in Astrophysics from Queen Mary College London.
(…)
Publications, papers and presentations
Piers has published and delivered copious papers, articles and presentations in peer-reviewed
scientific publications and **many UK and international prestigious conferences – see below for
shortlist which includes at least 12 published papers and lists many presentations which have a
similar practical status to peer-review and will lead to publications. Articles in production and more
business type or Science / Astronomical society meetings and conference proceedings not listed.
Piers’ qualifications, knowledge and drive in Physics, astrophysics and theoretical physics are the tools
which made his development of his solar-magnetic activity based Solar Weather Technique of long range
forecasting and applications to meteorology possible. In addition Piers’ forecasting organisations /
companies have always also employed the services of practicing commercial and qualified meteorologists.
1967 Three papers for work done while at school – Adam’s Grammar School, Newport Shropshire – 1965
and published two years later, namely:-
1967 March. The Geographical Journal pp54; The size and Shape of Pebbles on Chesil beach.
1967 Sept. Weather (Journal of Royal Meteorological Society) pp378; A Brine Barometer and a True
Mean Electrical Thermometer.
1967 Oct. Journal of Brit Astronomical Association pp424; A simple Solar Experiment (re measuring the
eccentricity of Earth’s orbit).
These three papers involved some of the vast amount of practical / scientific things Piers got up to as child
and youth. {..}.
His birthday March 10th 1947 was the day of the thaw with storms and gales after the great snows of Feb-
March 1947 and marked by coincidentally by ‘The Great sunspot of 1947’! (See page 3 of:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.02/weather.html?pg=3&topic=&topic_set= )
Piers’ first scientific ‘experiment’ of any size was done at the age of 8 years old when he dug what he
described as ‘a dew pond’ in the garden (at Kingston St Michael, nr Chippenham Wiltshire). From 1956 to 1965 (when he went to IC) he lived near Newport Shropshire and did lots of scientific activity – with his
own home made weather instruments and many other things.
1984 In: Clusters and Groups Of Galaxies, F Mardirossian et al (eds) pp517; Cosmic String-Loops and
galaxy formation – Angular Momentum and The Hubble Sequence – Piers Corbyn (then at Queen Mary
College London)
1986 Italian Physical Society, Cosmologia Di Gamow, Proc of Enrico Fermi International School of
Physics 1982 pp231; A Virial Approach to the Relation between the Cosmological Density Parameter ŸR#
and the Microwave background Temperature To. by P R Corbyn & J E Beckman (work was by Piers,
John Beckman was supervisor and advisor at dept of Physics Queen Mary College London. Through this
work Piers became acquainted with various researchers including Professor Martin Rees whose advise on
neutrino temperatures is acknowledged in the paper.}
Peer-reviewed book contributions and invited Presentations at major events on Sun-Earth
Relations; Solar causes of Climate Change and Long range weather forecasting, are listed below
[NB Insurance company, Risk analysis, business in farming and Energy industry etc and more regular / shorter
University presentations or Posters contributions such as at University of Kent, University College London,
Florence and Royal Meteorological Society (eg in 1999/2000) at Imperial College and at Cambridge; not
listed. Presentations at Seminars involving Intellectual property of Solar Weather Technique are also
excluded:
1995 Breakthroughs in Long Range forecasting – The New meteorology of The Solar Weather technique –
Piers Corbyn presented at ecam95 – European Conference on Applications of Meteorology Toulouse
France (events later televised on QED 1996)
1996 4th Oct A QED (BBC 1) TV programme about Piers Corbyn & Weather Action – 7 million viewers.
1996 Two papers in The Global Warming Debate Book by The European Science and Environment
Forum – (editorial committee: Dr John Emsley, Roger Bate, Prof Dr Ftis Bottcher)
CO2 fluctuations resulting from climate Change Piers Corbyn pages 71-77.
What Is Global temperature? The Inadequacy of Estimation Methods Piers Corbyn & Monoucher
Golipour pages 80-86
.1997 Three papers:
IAGA (1997) 8th Scientific Assembly of International Association of Geomagnetism and Aeronomy,
Uppsala, Sweden, August 4-15th Corbyn, P & Golipour, M, ‘A Solar Based Alternative to Theories of
Global warming’, IAGA Uppsala 1997 sessions 2.15/3. 13.
1997 3rd European Conference of Applications of Meteorology Lindau Sept 1997. The Solar Weather
Technique, a breakthrough in Long Range Forecasting’, Corbyn, P, Bamsi-Yazdi, K & Golipour, M.
1997 Climate Changes Symposium, Bonn 10-11 Nov 1997: Piers Corbyn, A (Solar-based) New
Alternative to theories Of global Warming: http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/corbyn1.html
2004 Two major conference presentations.
2004 Feb A Guest speaker at the Global Oil Summit Houston Texas;
2004 July Russian Academy of Sciences International Forum on Climate Change – presentation and
circulated paper – invited by the President of Russia’s Scientific Adviser Andrei Illarianov.
2005 Feb Invited presentation at Institute Of Physics, London.
2006 Two major conferences.
2006 June. Future Trends Forum Madrid.
2006 Sept Stockholm. Climate Change Symposium.
2007 Mar 4 Appeared in Martin Durkin’s groundbreaking Great Global Warming Swindle Chan 4 TV.
2007 June 7th Panellist along with Professor Richard Lindzen at Climate Change Seminar Institute Of
Physics London. (Piers’ presentation for this event – with updates – is available)
2007 August and Autumn wrote to Gordon Brown re The Summer Floods and consequently on request
ubmitted evidence to the Government’s Flood Review.
2007 27th July Guest speaker at the Imperial College Students Union Presidents dinner marking the
centenary year of Imperial College Union
2008 17th Jan Piers Corbyn awarded the AMEME Hopley Shield 2008 speaking on
Is it the Sun or Is it you? – ‘Global warming’ debate and Long range weather forecasting
Minerals Engineering Society – at Willesley Park Golf Club, Ashby-de-la-Zouch, Leicestershire.
This prestigious annual award was started by what was then the Association of Mining Electrical and
Mechanical Engineers in 1975.
2008 March 2-4th Manhattan New York International Climate Change conference – Presentation
entitled ‘What Does and Does Not Cause climate Change’. Piers is a signatory of The Manhattan
Declaration which was agreed at that conference.
2008 April BBC FOCUS magazine – science & technology monthly – carries a glossy feature on Piers
Corbyn and Weather Action pages 68 to 72, by Stuart Clark.
2008 April 14th One of ‘Gang of 4’ signatories to a direct challenge to the UN Climate change
Committee (IPCC) to produce evidence from the available data for their theories.
Citations.
Piers Corbyns work on weather and solar activity – weather relations physics are cited in many places.
Two books of note being:
Nigel Calder, The Manic Sun Pilkington Press 1997;
Harry Thompson, This Thing Of Darkness (short listed for Booker prize), Authors postscript page 734.
Unquote.
So one of his many weather forecasts may not have been very accurate. And his name is not on the Harvard University list of astrophysicists. But most of his weather forecasts are accurate, they are far better that the predictions from the MET Office with their expensive supercomputer. When Piers’ weather forecasts would be bad, his subscribers would very soon stop buying them. The idea that they would still go on paying for bad predictions out of cognitive dissonance, not willing to admit they made a mistake, is not right. People will often defend wrong choices they made in the past for the reason you mentioned, but when they have to go on paying for something that is not good, it is a different story. Piers’ customers are no fools (as you called them), if Piers would make wrong forecasts time after time (like the MET Office is doing), they would soon stop paying him.
And about your link to the Harvard University: Their library is full of bogus studies about man-made global warming. Since the anthropogenic global warming theory became the “polical correct science (term invented by Lenin), their science is corrupted and studies of crtical scientists are banned. It is wrong to measure the scientific skills of (astro)physicists by consulting the Harvard list, because it has a politically determined bias for studies of authors that do not contradict the political correct science. Critics are left out, but that doesn’t mean that they are bad scientists.