Extreme irony – EPA rules shut down the mother of all weather conspiracy theories

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Aerial view of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program site. Date 29 April 2005. Source: dot.gov

This just in: Nutballs despressed worldwide, no more harping about HAARP controlling the weather or climate?

From the American Radio Relay League:

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) — a subject of fascination for many hams and the target of conspiracy theorists and anti-government activists — has closed down.

HAARP put the world on notice two years ago that it would be shutting down and did not submit a budget request for FY 15, Keeney said, “but no one paid any attention.” Now, he says, they’re complaining. “People came unglued,” Keeney said, noting that he’s already had inquiries from Congress. Universities that depended upon HAARP research grants also are upset, he said.

The proximate cause of HAARP’s early May shutdown was less fiscal than environmental, Keeney said. As he explained it, the diesel generators on site no longer pass Clean Air Act muster. Repairing them to meet EPA standards will run $800,000. Beyond that, he said, it costs $300,000 a month just to keep the facility open and $500,000 to run it at full capacity for 10 days.

Jointly funded by the US Air Force Research Laboratory and the US Naval Research Laboratory, HAARP is an ionospheric research facility. Its best-known apparatus is its 3.6 MW HF (approximately 3 to 10 MHz) ionospheric research instrument (IRI), feeding an extensive system of 180 gain antennas and used to “excite” sections of the ionosphere. Other onsite equipment is used to evaluate the effects.

Larry Ledlow, N1TX, of Fairbanks, Alaska, said HAARP ionosonde and riometer data have been “invaluable, especially being more or less local, to understand current conditions in the high latitudes.” He said data from other sites “simply do not accurately reflect the unique propagation we endure here.”

Splashy web postings abound, blaming HAARP for controlling the weather — most recently in the case of Hurricane Sandy and the spate of tornados — and for causing other natural disasters. Quipped Keeney, “If I actually could affect the weather, I’d keep it open.”

More here: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/haarp-facility-shuts-down

The website http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ is offline

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temp

well on the plus side at least ppl can now do research to find out if it was affecting anything. Lets also not forget the huge saving which aren’t bad either hehe.

Steven Rosenberg

Ah, the ARRL! To be a 13 year-old in the 1970’s when talking to strangers in Europe and Asia, and to obscure Indian Ocean islands with a piece of wire and a few dozen Watts was incredible!

usurbrain

Perhaps if the Navy and Air Force were not spending billions a year on the construction/operation of “Green” energy facilities, they would have had the money to keep HAARP running. The local AFB is sold electricity at 3 cents per kWh, yet they are building (under contract) a solar facility that will provide electricity at 25 cents per kWh (again under guaranteed contract).

DGP

EPA stops the advancement of science for an inconsequential reduction in emissions. The RICE (Reciprocating Internal Combustion Engines, they love their acronyms) rules that are shutting them down are a classic case of immense bureaucratic effort for zero value added.

Google ‘weather modification’. You will get lots of HAARP weather conspiracy sites.
[Reply: yes, but please, we don’t want to get into HAARP discussions. — mod.]

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7

Well on the plus side, it looks like the site could be converted to a solar farm …

brians356

So that’s what caused those shifting colored light shows in the northern sky! Hmph.
N7DEY

RACookPE1978

USAF boasted (at one time) that it was the world’s largest “green energy” fuel user …
So, rather than defend America, the Air Farce used our taxpayer money to buy off the green energy company projects that placate Washington democrat politicians … who get the campaign donations – and the votes! – from green energy proponents

Genealogist Manfred Jose Nissley

HAARP gets shut down and we have some of the craziest weather in a long time. Conspiracy!!!! JUST KIDDING!

From the same article.
They might not be able to control the weather but they did “successfully produced a sustained high-density plasma cloud in Earth’s upper atmosphere.”
http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2013/nrl-scientists-produce-densest-artificial-ionospheric-plasma-clouds-using-haarp

Closed? Sure. That’s what they say.

I want their left over amplifiers!

brians356

Surrounded by millions of trees. Why not cut them down and fuel a simple steam generator? Sometimes you can’t see the forest …

Luther Wu

/ <— Hey Half Empty, here's yer flippin' sarc tag

Otter

lewandullsky must be depressed……

Frank Kotler

Wouldn’t it be funny if all that “extreme weather” suddenly stopped?

Ooh, maybe it’s time to – finally – chop back some of the flipping EPA red tape. Or is that green tape? Oh stuff it, just get rid of the EPA. That’ll do it, and long overdue.

“[Reply: yes, but please, we don’t want to get into HAARP discussions. — mod.]”
Cool! That leaves more bandwidth for chemtrails discussions. [grin]
(only kidding, won’t do it, don’t want it…)

katesisco

Shut down? Maybe temporarily. Since the sun has failed to cooperate with NASA when it smacked the Moon—we expected a reaction–something!!–it now appears that the sun will finish reversal on its dime not ours. And holding back means that the big punch is coming when Sol gets ready to let go. Best not to have those antenna pointed toward all that incoming solar energy.

lowercasefred

True believers will not believe HAARP has been shut down, just that, like Area 51 (or whatever) it became too well known to the public and has been relocated and renamed.

JD

I heard their amps go to 11.

rogerknights

In such an empty-of-humans location, diesel emissions can hardly be harmful.

Ah, the ARRL! To be a 13 year-old in the 1970′s when talking to strangers in Europe and Asia, and to obscure Indian Ocean islands with a piece of wire and a few dozen Watts was incredible!

I second that … taking apart TV’s and building your own equipment, learning morse code, and talking to the world. Of course I ultimately had more than a few dozen watts 😉

Jimbo

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that no matter what evidence you give them they will not budge. IN FACT the more evidence you give them is a further sign of a cover-up by the conspiracy!
Warmists have tried very hard to equate sceptics with conspiracy theorists, but have failed. I say please provide the scientific evidence for man-made, Co2 induced extreme weather trends, the theorized (still missing) hotspot, correlation between rising surface temps and co2 in the last 16 years, overall Antarctica ice decline. Now, I would never say that the current lack of warming is a cover-up. I would never say that the missing hotspot is a cover-up. I would never say that the lack of peer reviewed evidence rising trends in extreme weather is a cover-up. These things are not covered up, but exposed!

Doug Allen

Auroral research, like other real research is what we need more of. Auroras represent an interaction between the Earth’s magnetosphere and space (solar) weather. NSF, EPA, (and those other acronyms) fund lots of practically worthless “research.”
sigh….
Doug K4LY

TimO

The tin-foil hat crowd will just say they don’t need generators because they are tapping the Earth’s power or some such nonsense…

Jerry

“Ah, the ARRL! To be a 13 year-old in the 1970′s when talking to strangers in Europe and Asia, and to obscure Indian Ocean islands with a piece of wire and a few dozen Watts was incredible!”
I third that … learning electronics, reading Wayne Green’s articles in CQ, climbing antenna towers, using mercury vapor rectifier tubes, and building my first regenerative and direct-conversion receivers were priceless experiences. Wouldn’t trade them for anything. They were better, simpler times, I think. Learning Morse code was a bi-itch, though. Took years to master that to the point where I could enjoy a CW QSO.

This one is loads of fun. Diesel generators can supply electricity in the neighborhood of $260/MWh, or 5 to 10 times the other sources. It’s great for high dollar peaking and emergency generation, but unless you are miles from the nearest distribution line, it’s not very affordable. Add to this the demands of the RICE MACT (Reciprocating Internal Combustion Engine Maximum Achievable Control Technology) that for these engines have to add oxidative catalysts to each engine to reduce CO emissions to either a numerical standard or a 70% reduction. CO emissions from well-tuned diesel engines are pretty low. (This is a surrogate for formaldehyde control, which is very, very low in diesel engines unless you dual fuel the engines with methane). The $800k cost is just the beginning of this mess. Testing is ~$5k-$15k per engine. My company shut down 74 of these generators because of cost that exceeded any income from peaking and capacity payments.
PS. Spot prices of electricity in the PJM today were ~$200/MWh due to the heat wave.

Wyguy

One would think all those trees around the site would suck the CO2 out of the air before it got 10 feet off the ground.

Streetcred

What are they HAARPing on about ? Their time has come … they’ve run out of other people’s money.

Resourceguy

Well, these things come and go at taxpayer expense of course. See the Yucca Mtn project if there are any questions.

Bill Jamison

Shutting down HAARP won’t shut down the conspiracy nuts. They’ll simply claim that it wasn’t really shut down.
Are there any published science papers based on HAARP research?
[Per site Policy, please do not discuss HAARP. Thanks. — mod.]

TinHat

Maybe they just went underground:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/pentagons-black-budget/
Before knocking “tin hats”, think about all the electromagnetic waves in and around us at all spectrum levels, from AM (and less) to weather radar, many in the megawatt range. Might actually be safer to wear those “tin hats”. Alzheimer’s anyone? (Sorry couldn’t help it.)

TomRude

Read in the Cliff Mass weather blog today:
“The U.S. is probably the world leader in something called rapid-update, intermittent data assimilation….a fancy way of saying a version of numerical weather prediction where every hour new weather observations are brought in and a new (generally short term) forecast is made. Every hour a new forecast! Such systems take advantage of all data sources (surface data, radar, aircraft data, satellite data, etc). The folks at the NOAA Earth Systems Research Lab (ESRL) have been working hard on this technology for several decades and during the last year or so the predictions have improved rapidly.”
Another way to look at it: the initial forecast 6 hours ahead was pathetically unreliable… LOL

Ryan

I find the HAARP conspiracy preposterous, but not as preposterous as the idea that climate science is all fake.
[Per site Policy, please do not discuss HAARP. Thanks. — mod.]

elmer says:
July 16, 2013 at 3:03 pm

From the same article.
They might not be able to control the weather but they did “successfully produced a sustained high-density plasma cloud in Earth’s upper atmosphere.”
http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2013/nrl-scientists-produce-densest-artificial-ionospheric-plasma-clouds-using-haarp

I succumbed to being too lazy to read the article, but “high density” may not be a inferrable from “densest-artificial-ionospheric”. In fact, the latter could be way less dense than a natural plasma and even way way less than fully ionized gas at ionosphere density (which is pretty close to a vacuum).

Larry Butler

Hmm….I could take one of the 4-1000As out of the linear….then….naw.
73 to all the old hams on here. No, HAARP bureaucrats won’t let us connect an Icom at the inputs to the amps…darn it.
Larry W4CSC
Charleston, SC

Mike from the Carson Valley where we know about cold and hot

I respectfully disagree with the previous respondent who claimed that weather predicitions in the USA have improved. You couldn’t prove that by their handling hurricane /tropical storms forecast. Yet these events have been used year after year to tune the GCMs. and to no avail. They still mess up, just check how the US suite of GCMs did with Chantal last week. Pathetic really.

John Eliyas

I lived a mile from NASA Plumbrook station in Sandusky Ohio. Grew up as an adolescent listening to the sound of Saturn V engines being tested. It was awesome. I would dream rockets and astronauts. In the late 70’s the EPA shut it down for noise pollution. No doubt silencing the dreams of many a young person.

kramer

PRESIDENT BACKS CLIMATE CONTROL
Report to Congress Calls for Wide Research Program on Causes of Weather
New York Times, Feb 19, 1966, pg 29
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
In submitting the report to Congress the president said that “highly encouraging steps are being taken toward establishing safe and effective programs from modifying the weather.” “We can now begin to see the day,” he said “when such programs may become operationally feasible.”

A broad-based national program of weather modification, the foundation’s report said, should include research and dispersion of fogs, cloud seeding for rain, suppression of hail,
changing the course and nature of hurricanes, redirecting the paths of storms towards drought areas and increasing precipitation from summer showers and thunderstorms.

TomR,Worc,MA,USA

I’m just glad the the CIA mind control satellites can not longer use HAARP, to activate the recievers in my fillings to make me to touch myself ……
…….. I’ve already said too much!!

Steve

I knew a guy years ago who got a job doing ionospheric physics research there. I wonder how he is doing. I hope he gets a good post, now.

Bob says:

This one is loads of fun. Diesel generators can supply electricity in the neighborhood of $260/MWh, or 5 to 10 times the other sources.

“Expensive” unless you happen to live in Anthony’s neighbourhood. It’s also pretty close to the price that I’m paying here in Western Australia.
Will the surplus generators be listed on fleaBay? 🙂

Bill H

lowercasefred says:
July 16, 2013 at 4:17 pm
True believers will not believe HAARP has been shut down, just that, like Area 51 (or whatever) it became too well known to the public and has been relocated and renamed.
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when you consider there are over 20 of these such stations globally the research will not stop and neither will the conspiracy theory’s…

Michael

There have been at least two more larger sites built in the United States. There are C.I.A. controlled sites also in other countries. The facility in Alaska attracted too much attention, especially after the attack on New Orleans was exposed.

RACookPE1978 [July 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm] says:
USAF boasted (at one time) that it was the world’s largest “green energy” fuel user …
So, rather than defend America, the Air Farce used our taxpayer money to buy off the green energy company projects that placate Washington democrat politicians … who get the campaign donations – and the votes! – from green energy proponents

Spot on. Cronyism. 100% Pure Grade-A Cronyism. And ironic too because it used to be all the rage to make a big deal about cronyism. I’ve mentioned this before, one of the favorite criticisms of Harding was pretty tame by today’s standards. Teapot Dome Scandal

The Teapot Dome scandal was a bribery incident that took place in the United States from 1920 to 1923, during the administration of President Warren G. Harding. Secretary of the Interior Albert B. Fall leased Navy petroleum reserves at Teapot Dome in Wyoming and two other locations in California to private oil companies at low rates without competitive bidding. In 1922 and 1923, the leases became the subject of a sensational investigation by Senator Thomas J. Walsh. Fall was later convicted of accepting bribes from the oil companies.

Competitive bids! We’ve moved passed that little technicality straight to no-bids, Green Corporate Welfare. We now have institutionalized cronyism, because after enough years pass by it becomes acceptable precedent. What should really happen is career destroying investigations and trials of every Joint Chief of Staff, from both (R) and (D) administrations, as well as all the elected officeholders that were involved in this, and the corporations that took advantage of this political correctness. They failed their oath of office and failed to show integrity when it counted. It is pretty much what Eisenhower mentioned in his farewell.

Chris4692

I have no idea what value there might be to continuing the use of this facility for research. However, it is rather rare for a Government Program to be discontinued. In that sense we need more of the same.

David

Please, it looks like a political move to claim it’s shutting down. With interest in the climate at an all time high and the bankers pushing the scam having virtually unlimited wealth and influence over the military, there’s no reason to shut it down.
The technology is relatively simple in principle, as we know the ionosphere has an effect on the jet stream and electromagnetic interference can affect the weather. We also know that heat input increases convection, combined HAARP is a very real possibility. We also know that technology released to the public is usually 20 years behind the cutting edge of what the military has.
Above all we know that if they have an idea or the capability, the WILL use it and the goals, to damage economies destroying resistance to political and economic takeover (destabilise regions strategy) and to convince the public significant man made global warming is real would suggest the likelihood is that ionospheric stations have been used in this capacity or at least the potential explored.
The labels “nutballs’ and ‘hams’ not to mention ‘conspiracy theorists’ are terms used by establishment shills and scumbags covering up for the establishment, and are usually used by morons and people with no science or logic behind them.

dave ward

So the US has to shut down diesel generators because they are “dirty”, yet over the pond our lunatic government is quietly encouraging a network of similar equipment to keep the lights on when the wind doesn’t blow…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2362762/The-dirty-secret-Britains-power-madness-Polluting-diesel-generators-built-secret-foreign-companies-kick-theres-wind-turbines–insane-true-eco-scandals.html
What happened to a world wide “consensus”?

andy

Could it be that HAARP has actually been succesful and nobody has any experience in shutting down a project that achieved its goals?