Boehner hits the nail on the head
President Obama’s soon-to-be-revealed second-term climate change proposal is “absolutely crazy,” Speaker John Boehner said Thursday.
The Ohio Republican was incredulous when asked to react to reports that the White House plans to regulate carbon emissions from power plants as part of its climate change strategy.
“I think this is absolutely crazy,” Boehner said at his weekly press conference. “Why would you want to increase the cost of energy and kill more American jobs at a time when American people are asking, ‘Where are the jobs.’ “
From:The Hill’s E2-Wire
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“in the prehistoric record”. . .
Don’t forget the EBT card subsidies; that’s “Everybody But Taxpayers” card. When I go to the Sunnyvale Downtown Murphy Avenue Farmer’s Market, each Sat. morning, the very first booth has a prominent sign proclaiming that they accept EBT cards. Well strangely, they don’t have ANY merchandise, that I would buy. I always stop there though, and ask them what the hell an EBT card is, and how I can get one.
There is a difference between somebody taking money (real or imaginary) out of the Federal (or State) treasury and giving it to somebody as an incentive (aka bribe) to buy something they would not otherwise buy; and allowing an enterprise to take the cost of their goods sold away from their gross receipts, to figure their net profit, BEFORE taxing them on their profit.
Anybody who makes anything for sale commercially, is allowed to deduct the expense of making that product, including the materials before figuring if they made a profit. Quite often, somebody else, who made those materials available for the manufacturer to purchase, already paid taxes, on HIS profit in his business.
The biggest profiteer from BIG OIL is the Federal Treasury, who get more than the oil company does.
Current Business Week story on EVs:
Gail Combs says:
June 20, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Gail,
Excellent summary! A ‘keeper’…
I found Items 7 and 8 particularly interesting. Low CO2 levels in the lungs promotes disease. Controlled breathing that leads to increased CO2 concentration in the lung alveoli aids healing!
Thanks again!
MtK
Theo Goodwin says:
June 20, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Mac the Knife says:
June 20, 2013 at 11:38 am
‘Apparently, ‘stopping AGW’ is akin to a civil right, according to Jonathan Overpeck, co-director of the Institute of the Environment at the University of Arizona: “Lincoln would have tried to stop it….”’
How? By reducing the amount of munitions expended by Grant’s army?
Theo,
I don’t have a clue! Ask Jonathan Overpeck….. apprently he is also an expert on civil rights, along with
cosmetologyclimatology. I’m amazed by his attempt to co-opt the first republican president, who fought to preserve the Union and end slavery in the US, to be an ersatz ‘supporter’ of the socialist driven AGW meme.MtK
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 11:27 am
wobble,
timescales of long-term feedback mechanisms hold the climate in check. when very slow mechanisms of warming occur (milankovich solar cycles) the respondent CO2 increases are absorbed by growing and expanding land and sea surface plants. This happens over the course of thousands of years and under very gradual shifts.
There is nothing in the historic record that even comes close to approximating what we have done to this planet.
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 11:28 am
“in the prehistoric record”. . .
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Apparently you still haven’t bothered to study the paleoclimate record.
Natural climate change swings are orders of magnitude greater than the “worst” that mankind can manage. We might (but probably not) be able to raise or lower average global temperature by one K. During prehistory, natural variability ranges from a molten surface to the entire or almost all of our planet covered by ice. During the historical period (the past 5000 years), temperature (to the extent that an average is meaningful & can be reconstructed) it has ranged from a few to several degrees C warmer than now to a similar amount cooler. Going back 20,000 years to the LGM, it was much colder.
Return to 125 kya, during the early Eemian, the previous interglacial, & it was much warmer than now or the Holocene Optimum (8-5 kya), as often noted here, without benefit of a Neanderthal industrial age. Hippos swam in the Thames at the site of London & Scandinavia was an island. Raised beaches formed in Alaska & reefs built then are exposed now.
Is it the speed of CO2 (or CFC or CH4, or whatever) build up that concerns you? Since there is no significant effect from increased carbon dioxide except for lusher fields, pastures & forests, why does this bother you? Please read up on rapid climate shifts in the recent & distant past. They’re natural. The rate of warming in the first phases of the Holocene Optimum, Egyptian, Minoan, Roman, Sui-Tang & Medieval Warm Periods were about the same as during the Modern WP’s start-up pulses, ie 1860-1940 (with cooling decades interspersed). More telling (to use one of your favorite words) is that the rate of warming in these natural cycles was virtually identical to in the most recent pulse, ~1977-95, now ended.
Nothing like what humans have done has happened to earth ever? really now – what about huge volcanoes, global lighting caused fires, how about trillions of tons of methane from dinosaurs, how about the many many many trillions of tons of dinosaur dung produced each year? how about the rotting of the plant matter giving off trillions of tons of C02 . .
Get a clue – we humans are just not that powerful when we look at a global scale. . termites and ants far exceed the poundage of the entire species. . . now where was I in that book I was reading?
http://articlevprojecttorestoreliberty.com/the-basic-library.html
“””””…..jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 11:24 am
whatever the method of Tesla’s innovative success, the market has responded
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/tsla/stock-chart
over a 300% year on year increase in stock value. …..”””””
I should hire your accountant.
That’s an increase in STOCK PRICE , not in stock value.
The purchaser didn’t save $1500 in fuel costs; a big chunk of what s/he would have paid is added on taxes, not fuel cost. And don’t forget the big subsidy of free electricity, if s/he juices up at a Tesla juice station each day. The one I know of in California only does Model S, not roadsters; tough !
The Tesla stock price assumes that their are even bigger idiots out there, who are willing to buy a stock, at an even higher price to earnings ratio, than the Tesla stock. Well there are only so many investment idiots, and Ponzi schemes are illegal anyway.
I don’t pay even half of that $1500 in fuel cost plus taxes, and I can go four or five times as far as that Tesla can go, before it has to turn around and hurry back to its rabbit hutch for a rejoice.
If a Tesla is a good idea, then it should still be a good idea if we all get one and do likewise.
Good luck on that.
Contrary to the poor sales of EVs (except the Tesla–so far), an under-the-radar revolution is occurring in vehicles powered by natural gas, whose popularity is growing mightily. Here’s a current Business Week story:
http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/113938-why-natural-gas-powered-vehicles-are-catching-on
<jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 11:24 am
whatever the method of Tesla’s innovative success, the market has responded
Extracting subsidies from the government isn’t innovative.
And the market responded to Enron, too. Would you have been touting such a response as evidence of success during the summer of 2001?
george e. smith says:
….Actually haflingers (small mountain draft horse/pony) they eat a LOT less than a belgian but are still good pulling horses. link Mine do not get any grain except a little in the winter. (Powered directly by CO2, H2O and sunshine with a bit of other stuff thrown in.)
They are becoming rather popular with the homesteading crowd for that reason. (I have the horse drawn plow, disc and manure spreaders too.)
This isn’t a coherent sentence, but I understand the nonsense that you’re attempting to claim. It’s obvious that you don’t understand feedback mechanisms. I’ll address below.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Based on the climate system that YOU describe, once positive feedback mechanisms kick in THEY take over as the driver of runaway global warming. It wouldn’t matter what happens to CO2 increases at that point.
And remember, the initial warming to trigger positive feedbacks could simply be due to natural variation. Surely, you know about variation, right?
Again, this has nothing to do with the effect of positive feedbacks that YOU are describing.
Think about microphone feedback (something that even scientific illiterates know about). The unpleasant (“catastrophically” loud) sound is generated by positive feedback. The amplitude of the initial input that triggers the positive feedback isn’t significant in comparison to the effect of the feedback mechanisms. The catastrophic sound can be caused by a loud word spoken into the microphone tiny amounts of ambient noise being picked up by the microphone. If the feedback systems are in place, then the catastrophic sound will be generated.
Likewise, you’re claiming that all the feedback systems are in place. If this is true, then runaway warming would occur with any amount of warming (even natural variation – which would equate to the ambient noise in the microphone example).
This is the problem with the system you describe. You need to go back and figure out a new argument.
I’m happy I was able to educate you about an area of science that you obviously didn’t understand.
A false premise can not be argued . .
It’s too late. At least Carter got only one term.
Thanks, George.
And, hey, I wondered if it was a Clydesdale (love those Budweiser TV ads), too. So, it is a “halflinger.” Learn something new every day.
Getting to the point that skeptics need to endorse directly;
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/21/question-what-happens-when-settled-science-isnt/
AGW was always political, green political, from inception.
rogerknights says:
June 21, 2013 at 12:21 pm
…..an under-the-radar revolution is occurring in vehicles powered by natural gas….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I wish I had the engineering ability. One guy I knew back in the 1980’s in Leominster MA powered his pick-up with chicken manure (Methane bio-gas) I think he used a Bates converter.
jai mitchell says:
“you didn’t check that the money I mentioned is actually tax subsidies given by the government to the shareholders. Most of whom moved it offshore.”
That is not even close to being right. The government does not “give” money to shareholers; in this case it is simply not confiscating more of their money. And most shares are held by average folks in their 401-K’s. They do not ‘move it offshore’.
jai mitchell adds this bit of nonsense:
“There is nothing in the historic record that even comes close to approximating what we have done to this planet.”
That is a completely baseless assertion, which, as usual with jai mitchell, is wrong.
I challenge jai mitchell to quantify ‘what we have done to this planet’, using testable, empirical measurements.
There has been no measurable harm done to the planet by human activity. Rather, the biosphere has been thriving due directly to the added CO2 we have put into the air. [I have plenty more links showing that more CO2 is beneficial to the biosphere. Just ask, and I will post them.]
The fact is that jai mitchell is wrong: he began wiuth an incorrect premise; that CO2 causes global warming. It doesn’t — at least there is no measurable evidence showing that CO2 causes global warming. But there is plenty of real world evidence showing that [natural] global warming causes CO2 to rise.
When you start with an incorrect premise, your conclusion will necessarily be wrong. The belief that CO2 causes global warming has never been proven, while it has been shown using empirical evidence that global warming is the cause of the increase in CO2.
When correct thinking is employed, the conclusion is correct. So jai mitchell needs to alter his belief system, or he will continue to make erroneous assumptions.
jai mitchell says:
June 21, 2013 at 11:27 am
wobble,
timescales of long-term feedback mechanisms hold the climate in check. when very slow mechanisms of warming occur (milankovich solar cycles) the respondent CO2 increases are absorbed by growing and expanding land and sea surface plants. This happens over the course of thousands of years and under very gradual shifts.
There is nothing in the prehistoric record that even comes close to approximating what we have done to this planet.
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Much greater changes to the planet have occurred frequently in Earth’s past, before the onset of the human historic record.
Twenty or more times just in the last 2.4 million years vast ice sheets have spread over North America and Europe, rivaling those of Antarctica. Around their edges, tundra replaces temperate zone type forests and grasslands. The tree line migrates south over a thousand miles. Nothing humanity can possibly do competes with these natural, cyclical climate changes.
Not just seas of ice but liquid water oceans move in and out, covering continents, then regressing.
Many great climatic alterations occur with remarkable rapidity, in decades or centuries, not the millennia you assume, although changes happen at that pace, too. Please read, for example, what Roger Helmer, East Midlands MEP, had to say about UCL Prof. William McGuire’s reported assertion that, “The speed of today’s climate change is unprecedented in Earth’s history”.
http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/climate-change-fastest-in-earths-history-nonsense/
“Does he mean the last hundred years? In that time, mean global temperatures have risen by around 0.7 degrees C. That too is very modest. Far from being “unprecedented”, it is commonplace. It is broadly comparable with the same stage in the Roman Optimum a couple of thousand years ago, and the Medieval Warm Period a thousand years ago. Professor McGuire must surely be familiar with the Bond Cycles, which have shown fluctuations on this sort of time scale throughout the current Interglacial.
“The slight changes we have seen in the last couple of hundred years are entirely consistent with natural, well-understood and well-documented climate cycles, and require no special anthropogenic explanation. After the Little Ice Age, we now seem to be moving into a new 21st Century Optimum — and we should be glad of it. (Actually, this century may well prove cooler than the prior one.) Generally human societies do better in warm periods than in cool periods.
“Surely Professor McGuire must be familiar with the Younger Dryas at the onset of the current Interglacial, around 12,000 years ago, when a climate fluctuation of 10 degrees in a decade was recorded in the ice cores from Greenland, with evidence of similar, if less pronounced, changes in other locations? This is reported by the National Climatic Data Centre of the US government amongst others. In the Younger Dryas, we have an example of dramatically more rapid, natural climate change than we see today, and that’s in the last 15,000 years — geologically recent. Yet Professor McGuire says that today’s modest rate of climate change is “unprecedented in Earth’s history” — that’s the last 4,500 million years!”
I put this up on another post. It seems to fit here.
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Here’s an article in response to Tesla’s battery swapping announcement:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1515232-tesla-battery-swap-is-a-no-go?source=email_rt_article_readmore
The president is oblivious and out of touch on climate issues. My first impression that he was a mediocrity hasn’t changed over time. Seems the rest of the World has also figured this out. Still he is sitting in the big chair and has many influential rent-seekers to cheer him on. Can we find a court that will act to stop this obvious fraud. I hope so.
“””””…..dbstealey says:
June 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm
jai mitchell says:
“you didn’t check that the money I mentioned is actually tax subsidies given by the government to the shareholders. Most of whom moved it offshore.”
That is not even close to being right. The government does not “give” money to shareholers; in this case it is simply not confiscating more of their money. And most shares are held by average folks in their 401-K’s. They do not ‘move it offshore’.
jai mitchell adds this bit of nonsense:
“There is nothing in the historic record that even comes close to approximating what we have done to this planet.” ……”””””
mind if I pick a nit with you there db ?
Actually, the historic record matches exactly with what we have done to this planet; approximating it right down to a gnats eyebrow.
Now where does the historic record; which by definition is synchronous with homo sapiens sapiens , say that we have done anything close to the great extinctions from back around the Cambrian, and the like; or even the Younger Dryas event ??
John Boehner once again, like most conservatives owned by the bIllionaires and multinational corporation CEOs, is asking absolutely the wrong question.
Framing this solely in terms of jobs and the economy is related– but is also a ruse to sidetrack the conversation away from essential climate change legislation and policy. He should be asking, “How can we create job growth while ensuring a green economy that assures human health and environmental health for everyone?”
Research shows that failure to account for climate change in economic growth will kill job growth in the world economy many times over. The ridiculous assumptions and protestations made by conservatives need to be exposed as tripe that fails to account for all relevant factors. Such a narrow view of the situation is either intentionally misleading, thus corrupt, or retarded. Either way, kick the inept and corrupt bums led by Boehner out.
Other research reveals that our world economy can thrive while going green and protecting human health. In any event, going to a green economy is a must, not an option, because the planet is so fragile that it is on the brink of collapse in key areas if we don’t turn around our destructive behavior.
Even the CIA and Pentagon are planning strategically for large-scale social upheaval globally as the world careens towards a future dominated by more and more severe weather events, valuable coastline destruction and the nearly inevitable political and social catastrophes.
If the military–a quintessentially practical organization run by hardcore realists–is planning for it, it is real. Our government does not place billions and billions of dollars in the hands of generals to protect us from fantasies. It’s unfortunate that these billions aren’t going toward protecting us from the fantasies and idiotic and corrupt notions of conservatives who are too stupid and corrupt to govern the nation in necessary ways.
Ever heard of “advocacy research”?
Spain has shown (and Germany is about to show) that going green is the true economic killer.
PSL I should have added the UK to Germany as another country that will shortly succemb to economic gang green.
This polemic, with its appeal to ‘research shows” and its citation of long-outdated contingency documents for the military and CIA, sounds like it was written in 2003. Ten years on, in the wake of “green economy” under-performances and failures abroad and at home (nearly 20 government-funded green US ventures have gone bankrupt), it reads like something from a time warp.
Liberals are the most bizarre form of fixate hate driven evil I’ve ever seen. Every last one hates humanity. When George Bush was wondering how many experienced Al Qaeda military men were hidden in small towns around Iraq teaching Sunni anti-American terrorists to destroy jet planes, ships, docks, water supplies for entire valley regions,
Al Gore was running ANOTHER terror operation against the CITIZENS of the WORLD claiming if we didn’t – ”go ahead and install my policies in SPITE of the election, although it’s already too late to save humanity” –
snickering as the nation trying to show solidarity, went ahead and let government employees terrorize academia and government employment roles in exchange for simply,
pretending, the scam was real.
Hicks running grants scams, claiming to look into hockey stick generators to peer into tree rings.
Men like Hansen claming Manhatten would be under water in however many years.
People claiming to add CO2 to jars that warmed, then being checked and having the jars COOL and discovering through photographic artifacts Al Gore switched the thermometers.
This brain dead zombie is talking about count them more than TWO PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS in the P.A.S.T.
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Not humiliated by the fact the proof he thought it would be end-of-the-world time NOW and it’s obviously not only NOT, but the predictions for warming were WRONG in the WRONG DIRECTION
he’s filled with brainsless, morals-less hatred for anything that doesn’t ooze evil the way his own presidential candidate did.
And does.
Just pure unmitigated evil in a human being someone taught to write but not be able to make moral judgements that conform to reality based secular artifacts.
That is called, “mentally ill.”
The man who shot John Lennon was similarly fixated on evil as being personified in specific elected officials. Liberals show that sign like a light bulb going off around them: euphorically happy and “forgive, forget, let’s get along!” – until they hear about some successful person who the media vilified because they weren’t in the same political party.
George Bush fighting real terrorists, while Al Gore played undercover terrorist to blackmail the entire world into taking, being bludgeoned out of entire fields of science so terrorists, could further propagation of a SCAM.
And this hick thinks the cooling cycle didn’t start 17 or 18 years ago.
And that it’s all George Bush’s fault.
That the warming stopped. Or didn’t stop but now it’s George Bush blackmailing everyone into saying it stopped warming 17 years ago.
And it’s George Bush making everyone on earth be able to see what Al Gore did, was basically, a politically activated, government employee, terror scam.
Everybody seeing all those climate gate emails where Jones admitted it hadn’t warmed since like, 1998 didn’t do it.
Jones later having REVIEWED his work later admitting it stopped warming by 1995: that was George Bush who made him say that.
In England.
Liberals are just exceptionally evil, loathsome things, who no one but other liberals like. Everyone else gets the creeps at how obviously delusional they can be: while able to drive cars, eat, groom to a certain extent –
liberals wonder how it is they get a name like ‘GLEICK.’ – caught doing SCAM CRIME while serving as ETHICS DIRECTOR of some hovel somewhere.
Liberals wonder why people literally burst out laughing in their faces on the street or in the supermarket.
Then they send people like Magic Gas Mitchell to argue it’s George Bush’s fault
Al Gore sold his cable company to Al Jazeera, the people owned by the oil nation of Qatar.
After Al Gore ran a professional grade terror scam for some 15 years or whatever.
Defying law enforcement to try to stop mobs and liberals everywhere from simply forcing standard law enforcement procedures to not work while he scammed the WORLD
as a show of contempt for the people who didn’t make him their president.
No wonder people get the creeps when they see the word “Democrat.”
Magic Gas Mitchell says:
June 20, 2013 at 11:18 am
This seems relevant to this political discussion.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver
Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us