Steve McIntyre has a new analysis up, one that has a strong headline.
Though as he says, “not in so many words”, but more about techniques and exclusions. He writes:
Briffa Condemns Mann Reconstructions
Not in so many words, of course. However, Briffa et al 2013 took a position on the use of radially deformed tree ring cores that would prohibit the use of strip bark bristlecones in temperature reconstructions, thereby emasculating Mann’s reconstructions. And not just the Mann reconstructions, but the majority of the IPCC reconstructions used by Briffa in AR4.
I’ll report on this issue in today’s post. I’ve been looking closely at Briffa et al 2013 over the past 10 days and unsurprisingly there is issue after issue. According to CRU, they’ve been working on this article for over seven years and, needless to say, it is impossible to fully observe the pea in only a few days, especially when the adjustments have become so baroque that the chronology style is most aptly described as East Anglia Rococo, making the weary reader long for the classic simplicity of earlier CRU illusions like the Briffa Bodge and Hide the Decline. But more on this on another occasion.
full post here: http://climateaudit.org/2013/06/16/briffa-condemns-mann-reconstructions/
also, concerning tree rings, they do not serve as temperature proxies, period. The whole pretense of Holocene temperature reconstructions via tree rings has been refuted variously and repeatedly.
It’s simple, Briffa wants to be part of the PFJ.
climatereason says:
June 17, 2013 at 12:54 am
Help me out here someone. Tree rings are believed to be reliable regional thermometers because……?
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Because each tree gives a completely different result meaning that; whatever the results from climate model hind-casting are, they can be proven to be correct.
I don’t pretend to understand all the issues, but I don’t think readers should infer that Briffa et al. (2013) DID overtly condemn Mannian and IPCC-embraced reconstructions.
As I read it Steve M. is arguing that IF the technical basis for Briffa exclusions can be properly understood in scientific and statistical standards (I.e., not as merely another ad hoc gesture of convenience from The Team), THEN it will be realized (not yet, but soon) by honest scientists that the implied standards will have dramatic effects upon many other dendro reconstructions. See this exchange between Ross M. and Steve M.:
http://climateaudit.org/2013/06/16/briffa-condemns-mann-reconstructions/#comment-423280
Tree Rings
Older but funny video with Michael Mann.
Placing the Ross and Steve comments directly into this thread if mods permit, because I think it makes the whole issue more intelligible for this thread, too (link in my comment above):
As mpainter observed, Briffa refused for years to provide data and fought FOI requests. I’m told that Briffa also encouraged other dendros not to provide data. Briffa has a lot riding on the big HS of his Yamal chronology. Although this data has been used for years, this is the first article that even begins to provide technical information. It is at least 10 years overdue.
Skiphill’s observations are exactly right.
There’s no way that CRU would have “overtly” criticized the Mann reconstructions. Nor do I believe that they fully understood the implications of their standards on the Mann reconstructions. My point is that these standards are,as Ross put it, the “nuclear option” for bristlecone pine chronologies.
However, I also believe that hypocrisy within the field is so deeply rooted (so to speak) that Briffa and others will simply ignore the implication.
DesertYote says:
June 17, 2013 at 8:11 am
The hockey stick is baroquen.
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New keyboard, please. And a tissue to wipe the monitor.
“One Tree to rule them all, One Tree to find them,
One Tree to bring them all, and in the IPCC bind them,
In the land of Peer Review, where the Shadows lie.”
🙂 So very true!
Now that’s funny right there. Thread Winner!
Briffa Condemns Mann Reconstruction
Pot to kettle
DesertYote says:
June 17, 2013 at 8:11 am
The hockey stick is baroquen.
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Yep … Briffa kept the blade and gave Mann the shaft.
Alfred Alexander says:
June 17, 2013 at 3:14 am
I don’t know any science but,two trees born same day,same year,
one in the middle of a field,one in the middle of the woods.tree in field,
short and fat,Tree in woods ,tall and thin.both with the same number of
rings. Are the rings the same thickness?
Alfred
It isn’t ring thickness per se, but the pattern in which that thickness varies from year to year. Some years one tree or the other may actually drop a ring due to poor growing conditions. These patterns are highly reliable for determining the date a tree was felled, IF you have a piece with the outer layers intact. It can also date the age of a particular chunk of wood, if there are enough ring segments present to conduct pattern matching.
Tree rings do respond to local growing conditions and changes in them, which creates the patterns. That means that you need to have local tree ring sequences to employ for pattern matching. Trying to relate a polar larch from northern Russia to a strip-bark Bristle cone from the US could entail some real problems. If you are looking for “global” patterns in climate changes, then hypothesizing that global patterns will be superimposed on local trends in discernible fashion is logical. The problem then comes down to separating signal and “noise.” Signal would be global trends while noise becomes the local influences. Therein lies the devil.
This is a good time to remember what Briffa said in the freedom of information emails:
Briffa:
“I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple. We don’t have a lot of proxies that come right up to date and those that do (at least a significant number of tree proxies ) some unexpected changes in response that do not match the recent warming. I do not think it wise that this issue be ignored in the chapter. For the record, I do believe that the proxy data do show unusually warm conditions in recent decades. I am not sure that this unusual warming is so clear in the summer responsive data. I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1000 years ago. I do not believe that global mean annual temperatures have simply cooled progressively over thousands of years as Mike appears to and I contend that that there is strong evidence for major changes in climate over the Holocene (not Milankovich) that require explanation and that could represent part of the current or future background variability of our climate. ”
Maybe Briffa is following the following sage advice of John Maynard Keynes:
When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
NK says @ur momisugly June 17, 2013 at 8:44 am
This Briffa gripe is actually quite important. Two things: Mann really is a hack ‘scientist’ but a great self-promoter and grant vacuum.
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CALLING MANN A HACK IS AN AFFRONT TO A NOBEL PRIZE WINNING SCIENTIST!
…or at least Mann saw somebody get a Nobel…
…or at least Mann knows somebody who knows somebody who got a Nobel…
…or Mann knows somebody (besides himself) who said Mann won a Nobel…
…at least Mann didn’t steal his self-generated Nobel prize certificate (a la Peter Gleick); upon further review, maybe he did…
Ok; Occam’s razor says Mann’s a hack.
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NK says (June 17, 2013 at 8:44 am): “If Mann’s not sharing the wealth, scientists like Briffa have no reluctance to dump on him, IMO. So this is very signifigant.”
I won’t believe Briffa has actually bitch-slapped Mann until Dana Nuccitelli calls Briffa the D-word.
Skiphil quotes Ross McKitrick June 17, 2013 at 9:50 am
It was not only Mann who got away with using Mia Tiljander’s data upside down:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/22/manns-inverted-tiljander-data-survives-another-round-of-peer-review/
I predict that neither science’s, nor Keith Briffa’s public reputation will suffer one iota from this.
Steve McIntyre says: June 17, 2013 at 9:59 am
“However, I also believe that hypocrisy within the field is so deeply rooted (so to speak) that Briffa and others will simply ignore the implication.”
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Cynical, but that is the point. Don’t expect withdrawals or revissions anytime soon.
Hal Javert says: June 17, 2013 at 1:36 pm
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CALLING MANN A HACK IS AN AFFRONT TO A NOBEL PRIZE WINNING SCIENTIST!
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Mann a nobel prize winning scientist is a conflation which gives the impression that Mann was awarded a Nobel Science award, which of course, he was not.
Some may argue whether Mann is a scientist; we all have our own personal views on this and scientific integrety. Leaving that issue aside,, at a strech, Mann can be considered a recipient of the Nobel Peace prize. In a way this is quite fitting since recent recipients of this prize have much blood on their hands having been instigators of wars and terrorism, or otherwise engaged directly or indirectly in the furtherance of such.
Regrettably, today, it appears that one of the criteria for awarding this Nobel honour is that the recipient must have been heavily engaged in dishing out human suffering. Bearing in mind the misery that is being wrought on the world and on human kind by CAGW (I have little doubt that deaths through starvation, high food prices and high fuel prices have occurred), Mann would appear to have contributed towards fulfilling the required criteria.
Osculating Mann’s fundament is too much for even some Team members! Amazing.
Unless we get a noticeable decline in global temperatures. It’ll be fun to see them sweat then, once they realize the warm has turned.
Mann: Lard of the rings.
The cynic in me wonders if the timing of this report has anything at all to do with this article from The Independent (via GWPF) http://www.thegwpf.org/britains-bad-science-scandal-uk-research-position-threatened-fact-fabricators/
“Britain’s leading science institutions will be told on Monday that they will be stripped of many millions of pounds in research grants if they employ rogue researchers who fake the results of experiments, The Independent has learnt.”
{ GlynnMhor says:
June 17, 2013 at 5:36 am
Tree ring growth rate is limited by the least favourable parameter, be it temperature, moisture, sunlight, pests, soil pH, or whatever. }
Generally speaking yes. However, the growth response is 3x for water. The reduction (increase) in response to 1 inch of water is 3x the response to 1 degree temp swing, and the temperature response is only at the peripheral edges of the the bell shaped curve.