The tolerant left: these are not the questions we are looking for

In this priceless yet disturbing Twitter exchange with American Meteorological Society president Dr. Marshall Shepherd, Bishop Hill points out another case of Mann Overboard!

It started out innocently enough:

Twitter / DrShepherd2013

[Shepherd] learned n strange emails/blogs some disagree with my #Tedx Talk, @MichaelEMann HockeyStick discredited (hasn’t), & wx varies-gee “who knew”

[Bishop Hill] @DrShepherd2013 I attended a debate with a paleoclimate guy a few months ago. In q&a he was asked about hockey stick. He said “it’s broken”.

Here’s the full exchange:

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Source: [ http://twitter.com/DrShepherd2013/status/343338700379389952 ]

– Bishop Hill blog – Sheep or shepherd?

Moments later, Shepherd blocked me.

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Jay
June 9, 2013 8:11 am

All they have left is their politics, based on their flawed science..

Gail Combs
June 9, 2013 8:13 am

Chad Wozniak says: June 8, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Michael Palmer –
You’re overlooking something: when “the state” owns everything, what really is going on is that a tiny powerful elite owns everything (e.g., in Soviet Russia, where 9,000 nomenklatura controlled 99 percent of the economy of a country of 300 million people). There is really no difference between this and the Fascist corporate state, which very closely approximates what our own der Fuehrer is acting to create, with his crony capitalist buddies as the beneficiaries. They will get richer still while ordinary folk, and especially the poor people of this world, suffer from overpriced, unreliable energy….
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The IMF has confirmed this.

….In many countries the distribution of income has become more unequal, and the top earners’ share of income in particular has risen dramatically. In the United States the share of the top 1 percent has close to tripled over the past three decades, now accounting for about 20 percent of total U.S. income (Alvaredo and others, 2012). At the same time, while the new convergence mentioned above has reduced the distance between advanced and developing economies….
…A third significant cause of convergence is the higher proportion of income invested by emerging and developing countries—27.0 percent of GDP over the past decade compared with 20.5 percent in advanced economies….
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2012/09/dervis.htm

Meanwhile the typical American worker has lost out
Huff & Puff: U.S. Median Annual Wage Falls To $26,364 As Pessimism Reaches 10-Year High

The Uncomfortable Truth About American Wages
….This finding of stagnant wages is unsettling, but also quite misleading. For one thing, this statistic includes only men who have jobs. In 1970, 94 percent of prime-age men worked, but by 2010, that number was only 81 percent. The decline in employment has been accompanied by increases in incarceration rates, higher rates of enrollment in the Social Security Disability Insurance program and more Americans struggling to find work. Because those without jobs are excluded from conventional analyses of Americans’ earnings, the statistics we most commonly see — those that illustrate a trend of wage stagnation — present an overly optimistic picture of the middle class.
When we consider all working-age men, including those who are not working, the real earnings of the median male have actually declined by 19 percent since 1970… Men with less education face an even bleaker picture; earnings for the median man with a high school diploma and no further schooling fell by 41 percent from 1970 to 2010….

An Australian Financial Review article published a comparison of the cost of employing skilled people. This is the total cost for a business not just the wage earned. For Australia with it’s carbon tax it is over $600/day, for the US, with all our regulations it is $400/day and in the free-wheeling third world under $200/day. So what we see is since the World Trade Organization ‘Outlawed’ tariffs the first world manufacturing industry, and even our clerical positions, have been transferred to lower cost countries. This means the middle class in first world countries is shrinking as is shown in the article above.
This article shows where we are headed:

http://news.yahoo.com/big-city-tiny-apartment-small-scale-living-trend-133442144.html
Aaron McConnell doesn’t mind sharing a kitchen with seven neighbors. He’s fine in living quarters with just enough room for a twin bed, a corner desk and little else. Closets? Forget about it – he stores his clothing and other possessions on shelves and hooks.
McConnell’s small-scale home life is part of a hot trend in U.S. real estate – micro apartments….
Micros, also known as “hostel-style” apartments, usually offer less than 200 square feet (18.5 square meters) including private bathrooms, and they typically come furnished, sometimes with built-in beds and other amenities to save space.
Most feature a group kitchen that may be shared among eight units, although units in McConnell’s complex are equipped with microwave ovens and small refrigerators. They also include Internet connections and utilities in the price of the rent. There are no elevators….

This is the face of Agenda-21, wage slaves herded into cities as the USA is De-developed and returned to ‘Wildlands’
SOURCES:
Listing of US laws and bills
Map
Video on Agenda 21

Bill H
June 9, 2013 8:49 am

Gail Combs says:
June 9, 2013 at 8:13 am
The Control agenda has always been the end goal of the CAGW crowd. Sadly millions of people dont see what is really driving the core of their beliefs. Look at the Mann-SHepard ignorance of just turning off people with whom they disagree, IF it were simply about science and the implications of their findings there should be genuine concern, but there is none, so the real reason is elsewhere. I think you have hit the nail on the head and both of these men are avid OWG men.

Jay
June 9, 2013 10:40 am

Expecting leaders of the green movement to discredit themselves is unrealistic.. Millions of people support their politics and hang on the “doom du jour” enviro pornography they splash around..
Remember that it was politics that spawned the science in the first place.. Convinced that modern society (Capitalism) is killing the planet they wrote the conclusion first and then went on to back fill this political movement in any way possible..
Really.. With our leaders selling our future and lifestyle overseas for quick profit they need an excuse to take the fall.. Environmentalism fits the bill twofold.. It enriches the leftists for their piece of the pie (pay off) and provides a running excuse for our ever decreasing standard of living..
This is the deal that has nothing to do with science and everything to do with vanity, greed and power.. Our leftists should have been fighting for our jobs.. Instead they were handed a blank check (tax dollars) and pointed towards the theater arts department.. An offer that proved far to attractive for their creative minds to resist..
Write, produce and direct your own political production..

tz2026
June 9, 2013 1:55 pm

Facebook has “like”, Twitter has the dis(sent)like, but calls it block. Is there stats for un-followers?

TomR,Worc,MA
June 9, 2013 3:47 pm

Margaret Hardman says:
June 8, 2013 at 1:54 pm
I can assure you that sort of thing doesn’t happen here.
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Margaret, my questions to you would be ……. does this site ban people with a different viewpoint?
Does this site censor posts that do not agree with the (admittedly) skeptical viewpoint?
…and finally does this site EDIT the posts of people posting contarian viewpoints to it’s (admittedly) skeptical bent? (this one is the worst of the lot IMHO)
TR

Mark C
June 9, 2013 6:19 pm

Everything the AMS leadership does makes me glad I dropped my membership and journal subscriptions about four years ago, after being a member for around twenty. Shepherd’s behavior here only validates that choice further.
Eventually the AMS leadership and membership will consist only of those rent-seekers wholly dependent on the continued fueling of the CAGW funding train as they drive the rest off.

OssQss
June 9, 2013 7:13 pm

CodeTech says:
June 9, 2013 at 4:33 am
OssQss:
Thanks, sorta, for posting the link to James Burke. If you follow it, you’ll find all of his Connections shows and other programs, posted by him. I’m watching them now.
Sadly, James Burke, who taught me via these programs to understand connections and the importance of history in science, is a vocal AGW believer. If only someone would make a “Connections” show explaining how this all began and where it is today
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Exactly!
Another victim of political “not”science once again!
You got it >

jbird
June 11, 2013 7:05 am

@Jay says:
“Remember that it was politics that spawned the science in the first place.. Convinced that modern society (Capitalism) is killing the planet they wrote the conclusion first and then went on to back fill this political movement in any way possible.. ”
As I travel around the country and look at all of the construction, i.e. roads, developments, etc., I find myself wondering where all of it will end. I lament what is happening to the landscape, especially with the construction of wind and solar farms – the worst eyesores I think. It seems to me that the proposed remedies, i.e. population reduction, carbon control, returning to an idealized pastoral culture and so on, are worse than the disease.
I also think that use of the “big lie” (as in CAGW) to leverage political solutions, then calling it “science” is absolutely wrong. Lies only beget more lies and ultimately the whole enterprise collapses in upon itself, just what is happening now. People like Mann never learned from history.

Rob Crawford
June 11, 2013 8:13 am

“Question:
Why did the USSR go along with, even encourage, Lysenko?”
Because Lysenko said by forcing behavior in this generation, future generations would inherit that behavior. One of the key beliefs of the Marxist faith is that people can be perfected in all aspects, in the real world, if “society” is manipulated in such a way to force them to behave properly. Thus the “New Soviet Man” and the like.
If genetics is not as malleable as Lysenko claimed, then it gets a lot harder to “perfect” humanity.

Margaret Smith
June 11, 2013 4:18 pm

Kohl says:
June 8, 2013 at 1:46 pm
” And often, these things seem to come from the left-leaning side of politics, that is to say, the very people who we might look to for the defense of our freedom of expression and the exchange of ideas.”
Hilarious! Excellent joke.

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