In this priceless yet disturbing Twitter exchange with American Meteorological Society president Dr. Marshall Shepherd, Bishop Hill points out another case of Mann Overboard!
It started out innocently enough:
[Shepherd] learned n strange emails/blogs some disagree with my #Tedx Talk, @MichaelEMann HockeyStick discredited (hasn’t), & wx varies-gee “who knew”
[Bishop Hill] @DrShepherd2013 I attended a debate with a paleoclimate guy a few months ago. In q&a he was asked about hockey stick. He said “it’s broken”.
Here’s the full exchange:
Source: [ http://twitter.com/DrShepherd2013/status/343338700379389952 ]
– Bishop Hill blog – Sheep or shepherd?
Moments later, Shepherd blocked me.
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Maybe Shepherd should have read
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2013/6/7/pointman-on-the-infowars.html
and the link
Question:
Why did the USSR go along with, even encourage, Lysenko?
I do not have an answer but see similarities with state-funded crimatology today. I really think this is an avenue that should be explored.
One avenue is that politicos do not understand science and simply use thei scientists’ words as political weapons, while the policos fund the very self-same scientists.
RoHa says:
I don’t understand what the headline has to do with it. We all know that some left wingers can be just as intolerant as some right wingers …
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Agreed. What truly astonishes about this blunt refusal of open discussion is not that they are left or right, but that they are scientists. As a scientist, you always have to be ready to argue and defend your position rationally, and accept the possibility that you might be wrong.
Anyone who really does experimental science will sooner or later be slapped around by experimental evidence contrary to his brilliant ideas sufficiently to accept this point. This is one of the greatest benefits of any real scientific education. You will not learn this quite so well, however, if all you ever do is theoretical modeling and computation.
If I said what I think about this affair Anthony would, justifiably, banish me. So I will only say self snip.
RoHa says:
June 8, 2013 at 4:24 pm
“I don’t understand what the headline has to do with it. We all know that some left wingers can be just as intolerant as some right wingers, but the same goes in any situation where people hold firm opinions.”
I disagree. The core belief of leftists is that reason and logic have not brought about world peace and total equality in thousands of years, so reason and logic must be evil – therefore they abandon reason and logic and just do whatever they think works to turn the world into a socialist utopia. If stripping off your cloths works or they think it might work they do that. Alinsky said, don’t argue with facts, the facts are on the side of the enemy. He knew what he was talking about.
Michael Palmer says:
June 8, 2013 at 4:56 pm
“Agreed. What truly astonishes about this blunt refusal of open discussion is not that they are left or right, but that they are scientists. ”
94% of government scientists are leftists. This is natural, as they never worked in the private sector and the state is their sugardaddy – so they are statists. Socialism demands that the state controls all means of production, a natural belief system for a statist or a government scientists.
They don’t even have an idea what we do in the private sector. They never got in touch with it.
Mailman says:
June 8, 2013 at 11:51 am
This Mann fellow really is a nasty piece of work isn’t he.
Mailman
Now that seems a bit mean and unneccesary to me.
Michael Mann reads this site and is a sensitive soul so please lay off him.
He is fat, bald, stupid-looking and quite probably gives off an ancient and horrible fish-like smell but that does not give you the right to call him “a nasty piece of work”
Mike, if you are reading, I share your pain…
_Jim says:
June 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm
“Reminds of the George Bernard Shaw quote, which shortened goes:
. . . . . “All progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
Full quote, shedding light on the reason why:
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.””
George Bernard Shaw was a Fabian. Have they failed or have they succeeded? well, they periodically bring the UK to the verge of collapse, in the 70ies before Maggie Thatcher, and again under Blair and Brown. They are quite good at that, one must admit.
Every so often I check in here to see if people are still paying attention to climate apparatchiks like Mann. I suppose that they will continue to be noticed as long as the government continues to throw our taxpayer dollars at them.
Chad Wozniak says:
June 8, 2013 at 3:20 pm
“………. I can see us fighting a Second War of Independence if these people aren’t stopped.”
I think we are in the early stages of that war now. As with all wars it will be affected by the weather – and currently it does not favor alarmists.
Why does this have to be about the Left???
DirkH says:
94% of government scientists are leftists. This is natural, as they never worked in the private sector and the state is their sugardaddy – so they are statists. Socialism demands that the state controls all means of production, a natural belief system for a statist or a government scientists.
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Nonsense. I work in academia, and I have never met a colleague who advocated socialism in the proper sense, that is, control of all means of production by the state. And whether or not they do is completely immaterial to the question whether leftists have a monopoly on closed-mindedness.
If one tries to look at each specific problem with an open mind, one will realize that neither the left nor the right has the best answer all the time. To find the best solutions, it is necessary that we remain willing to listen to the other side. The intense mutual contempt of the political left and the right is not only in poor taste; it is a very serious impediment to progress.
Chad Wozniak 3:20pm says
By refusing to debate or listen to “trolls” as he calls them, Mann reveals a very wide streak of yellow cowardice.
Chad is stating what is becoming more and more obvious to anyone with any scientific background. Sec of Energy Moniz and Sec of State Kerry need to listen to their boss Pres Obama who made a speech Friday from the Fairmont Hotel in California in which he stated we needed to discuss and debate about striking a balance between safety and privacy. He went on to say, “I welcome this debate and think it’s healthy for democracy. I think it’s a sign of maturity because maybe 5 or 6 years ago we might not be having this debate.”
Ben Franklin said that when you sacrifice liberty for security you ended up with neither.
What would Ben say to Moniz or Kerry? They like Mann don’t want to debate. They want your tax dollars to fight the coming catastrophe. They want to liberate your hard earned monies and don’t feel your worthy of their explanations. In the end we will have less money, less liberty and no safety. We humbly request a little maturity in the climate debate. I think it’s the mature thing to do.
I really love these Twitter debates:
Is too!
Is not!
is too is too!
is not is not!
is too is too is too!
is not is not is not!
BLOCK!!
There, that settled it….
Even a stopped (analog, synchronous-motor driven or quartz-timed battery-powered digital – if I have to be specific about it) clock is correct twice a day! Perhaps even Fabians, down deep, recognize certain eternal truths about mankind? It is their goals and means/methods which contain the ‘fault’.
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Mike, your definition of socialism is simplistic and propagandistic. Marx created socialism as a movement toward full totalitarian control. From beginning to bloody end, this large variation is all “Socialism”. Socialism is also racist; it’s also a class-based hatred mill: just a couple things that socialists are good at promoting here in the good ol’ USA. So there’s a lot to Marx’s socialism, the same system used by the current Bolsheviks who function to seize power, manipulate markets, control companies and banks, educational systems, rewrite history, etc, etc.
It seems the Tom Wolfe observation is accurate. Politics is determined in high school. Athletes become conservatives, because they feel the pretty people should run things. The Drama club becomes liberals, because they believe that those in the know should run things. Those that do well in academics, but belong to neither above become libertarians, because we don’t trust either of the previous two groups to run anything.
Mann can’t do math. He does pretty well as a drama queen. I wouldn’t trust him to run a frozen banana stand.
Michael Palmer says: @ur momisugly June 8, 2013 at 5:59 pm
…..The intense mutual contempt of the political left and the right is not only in poor taste; it is a very serious impediment to progress.
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I will second that idea. You are correct no one has a monopoly on truth.
I think he looks like a professional poker player.
Quite a bluffer.
Also theres a strong resemblance to a rodent.
“Peter Crawford says:
June 8, 2013 at 5:31 pm
He is fat, bald, stupid-looking and quite probably gives off an ancient and horrible fish-like smell but that does not give you the right to call him “a nasty piece of work””
Mann is no longer interesting. We know what he is. Shepard is much more bizarre because he still buys into that stuff. He is a poster child for all that is wrong with the mandarins of the climate establishment.
I am another Ontario resident that has had the heat on again. It became unbearably cold, again.
Yesterday I had the insulation guys in putting R40 into the upstairs bedroom ceiling. While the Tweeters are foaming at the mouth we are foaming walls and floor joists.
Related, and worth sharing,,,, just saying,,,,,,,, history matters, no?
Think about it>
Well I think their attitude is a symbol of what has gone wrong with modern science. There is still a lot of careful measuring to do. The science isnt settled till the theory, model and observations all come together. We are obviously missing big chunks of data. Meanwhile Mann et all have their collective heads buried in their blocked tweets. Further they spent a lot of time manufacturing data to match thier theory and are probably still doing so. So what we should do is ignore them and go forth and measure things.
The classic definition of socialism is ‘government ownership of the means of production,’ differing from communism which does not recognize any private property. But in the time since Marx, the socialists have learned that they need not own the means of production to control the means of production. Ownership no longer matters to the left. They now control through regulation and tax policy.
Beta Blocker says:
June 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm
jorgekafkazar says: We turned our furnace back on yesterday in Southern California!
If you could get to a local beach with access to the Pacific Ocean, couldn’t you be getting a nice hot bath in those ever-warming waters?
Be sure to check for a sign from California Department of Parks & Recreation reading “Ocean water is acidic. Swim at your own risk.”
Beta, this is absolute silliness. The Pacific Ocean along Calafornia is about 60 degrees this time of year and the PH at catalina is way up in the 8’s.
v/r