Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Back in August 2010, WUWT ran an article wherein it was claimed that variations in the sun changed the rate of radioactive decay. This, of course, flew in the face of years and years of experimental evidence, starting with the Curies, that the rate of radioactive decay is constant, unaffected by pressure or temperature or anything else.
However, this claim that the sun could change radioactive decay rates was shortly challenged by a follow-up article at WUWT and then a second follow-up, both of which threw cold water on the idea.
Figure 1. Mass of the universe, by type. SOURCE
So I was interested to stumble across an announcement issued by Purdue University in August 2012, which strongly confirmed the reality of the phenomenon. Purdue has applied for a patent for the use of this effect as a means to supply advance warning of solar flares.
I found this most interesting, however, not because it affords a chance to have warning of another Carrington Event, although that would be great in itself. Instead, I found it interesting for a curious reason involving the mechanism whereby the sun is able to affect the rate of radioactive decay.
The thing I really like about the mechanism, about the way that the sun is able to influence the rate of radioactive decay, is that we don’t have any idea what it is or how it works.
Truly. Nobody has a clue. It was first noticed in 2006, and to date we have no idea how the sun does it. But Purdue says it clearly, repeatably, and demonstrably works. When the sun changes, radioactive substances all over the world change their rate of decay.
There have been years and years of attempts to see if we could artificially change the rate of radioactive decay. Obviously, if you could do that, it would be incredibly useful. But despite experiment after experiment, no one has ever discovered any combination of environmental variables that would change the rate of radioactive decay … until now, or so it seems at this time.
Now, don’t get me wrong here. I don’t think that the sun rules the climate, and I’m not discussing the sun for that reason. I’m not one of the “It’s the sun, stupid” folks. I don’t think any of the forcings rules the climate—not the sun, not CO2, not methane, not volcanoes, none of them.
Instead, I think the earth’s temperature is set by interlocking homeostatic mechanisms. These natural and poorly studied emergent phenomena have laughed off the effects of huge meteor strikes, and long-term vulcanism, and a slow rise in the solar output, and kept the earth within a surprisingly narrow temperature range at all scales, from centuries to millions of years. We think nothing of the fact that next year won’t be much different from this year … and yet that stability, of plus or minus one tenth of a percent in the global average surface air temperature variation over the last century, is actually quite surprising and demands explanation.
So I’m not talking about the sun affecting the climate. I bring up this question of the sun affecting the rate of radioactive decay for one reason—to highlight just how much we don’t know about this marvelous, mysterious infinity that surrounds us. People talk about Trenberth’s famous “missing heat”, where he described one of the many parts of climate science that is poorly understood—energy that he says is incoming but can’t be found or accounted for.
But given that we seem to have misplaced both the dark energy and the dark matter that make up 96% of the mass of the universe … well, when you can’t find hide nor hair of almost everything the universe contains, that kinda makes not finding a few zetajoules in the climate system pale by comparison …
Let me take another example. In 2010 it was discovered that thunderstorms function as huge natural particle accelerators. Who knew? Here’s a description of the mechanism:
… when particularly intense lightning discharges in thunderstorms coincide with high-energy particles coming in from space (cosmic rays), nature provides the right conditions to form a giant particle accelerator above the thunderclouds.
The cosmic rays strip off electrons from air molecules and these electrons are accelerated upwards by the electric field of the lightning discharge. The free electrons and the lightning electric field then make up a natural particle accelerator.
The accelerated electrons then develop into a narrow particle beam which can propagate from the lowest level of the atmosphere (the troposphere), through the middle atmosphere and into near-Earth space, where the energetic electrons are trapped in the Earth’s radiation belt and can eventually cause problems for orbiting satellites.
I loved that last bit. Using a giant particle accelerator to affect a satellite? Good science fiction, but utterly outrageous that it’s actually happening. One way to recognize emergent behavior is that it is not readily predictable from a knowledge of the conditions. I’d say a thunderstorm suddenly forming a giant particle accelerator that can blast a satellite, well, that would definitely qualify as unexpected and not predictable … and here’s another one.
Thunderstorms give off burst of gamma rays. They found out by accident a few years ago when the gamma ray satellite “Fermi” looked at the Earth. Not only that, but the gamma rays in turn give off bursts of antimatter, which get shot off into outer space …
I’ve had no success trying to establish the amount of energy in one of these terrestrial gamma-ray bursts, no clue. But there are about 1,100 of them per day, and although they are short they are very energetic … so how much energy is lost to space that way?
I find both of these phenomena quite interesting in that they appear, at least, to be a way that the world loses energy to space that is not accounted for in the usual budget. Among other things, we’re blasting positrons into space … go figure.
Remember that the tropical thunderstorms are an emergent phenomenon. They are formed and cluster around the hot spots, so they are removing energy directly where it is needed. As a result, although it may not seem like a lot when it is averaged over the surface of the planet, in the area where it is happening it is very significant.
Here’s another way the planet loses energy that’s not in the conventional accounting. Consider lightning. My back of the envelope calculations show that at something like 5 billion joules per strike, it accounts for about 0.2 W/m2 of energy averaged over the earth’s surface. Some of that is released in the form of heat, and some in the form of light … and that’s where it gets interesting, because something like half of that light will be radiated upwards. You can see it clearly from the space station.
Now, very rough calculations I’m sure someone can improve upon, if light is half the lightning energy and heat is the rest, and half the light escapes to space, that’s less than a tenth of a W/m2 … but again, that’s averaged around the globe. The thunderstorms mostly occur in certain areas and certain times where they are needed to cool the surface. And in those areas and times, the loss of energy to space in the form of light could easily reach several watts per square metre.
I bring up all of this stuff because it’s unknown, it’s stuff we barely understand, or not even that much. But it’s hard for me to describe the point I’m trying to get across, so let me give a couple of quotes that may explain it. First, from the famous scientist J. B. S. Haldane:
Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.
I find that greatly encouraging. It means there will always be new things to find out. Like the poet Robert Browning said, “A man’s reach should exceed his grasp. Or what’s a meta phor?”
Then we have the famous scientist William Shakespeare, who might have been describing the sun affecting radioactive decay when he has Horatio say: :
HORATIO
O day and night, but this is wondrous strange!
HAMLET
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
I suspect that eventually we’ll figure out just how it is that the sun is able to affect radioactivity, something that we thought could not be affected by anything. Of course, by then there will be some new phenomenon that’s just as mysterious.
And in the meantime, as we discover any new and fascinating thing about the climate, it seems to me that we should “as a stranger give it welcome”.
My point relates to the famous claim by Gro Harland Bruntland, the chief climate cheerleader for the IPCC, who said:
So what is it that is new today? What is new is that doubt has been eliminated. The report of the International Panel on Climate Change is clear. And so is the Stern report. It is irresponsible, reckless and deeply immoral to question the seriousness of the situation. The time for diagnosis is over. Now it is time to act (Brundtland 2007).
Well … no. Doubt has not been eliminated, nor will it ever be … and that’s great news.
And as for the consensus of more than 97% of scientists, you know, the ones who said that nothing could change the rate of radioactive decay? …
It’s doing about as well as consensus science ever does, meaning it’s right until it’s wrong, and in neither case does it affect the truth on the ground.
My best to all, keep up the questioning,
w.

But then, if it has no explanation, is weird and a rare event lacking in data, it doesn’t exist, and we serious guys should get Bush with Real Stuff. Right?
Forgive my iPad autocorrect. Not Bush, but busy.
This has huge implications for timing events in Earth History. It may even mean that we have overestimated the age of the Earth if the Solar activity has been greater in the past.
Scientists say that there is some powerful omnipresent presence in the universe holding it all together. We can’t see it, can’t detect it but we know it’s there. They call it ‘dark energy’.
Christians call it God.
The Bible says: In the beginning there was the word. The word was God and God was one with the word.
Scientists say : in the beginning there was a bang. It was a big bang.
On a philosophical level I can see absolutely no difference between the two accounts.
Now, I’m not a christian and I’m not arguing either way. But a lot of semi-literate people who are in awe of science make disparaging remarks about scientists who are also religious, without apparently realising that fundamentally the two world views are saying the same thing in different language.
Science has brought us wonderful things but on the fundamental questions we don’t seem to have made much progress.
As Willis points out here, what we know is far exceeded by what we don’t know. Climate is no exception.
Willis, pair-production places a lower bound on those thunderstorm gamma rays if they are producing antimatter, electron+positron masses or greater.
Maybe it’s not changes in the rate of radiative decay, but changes in space/time.
It wasn’t that long ago that the concept of microbursts was derided by the meteorological community, until Fujita proved their existence by simply photographing the pattern of damage they caused from an aircraft.
Willis
I’ve had no success trying to establish the amount of energy in one of these terrestrial gamma-ray bursts, no clue
That’s because like some posters already wrote, you are talking about things that are FAR above your head.
The gamma ray in the antimatter hypotheisis come from e+ + e- => 2 phi
If one neglects the kinetic energy of e+ and e- then the energy of both photons is trivially about 1 MeV (1.6 x 10^-13 J / anihilation event).
But despite experiment after experiment, no one has ever discovered any combination of environmental variables that would change the rate of radioactive decay
Ridiculous. We are talking only about beta decay here and not radioactivity in general (because there is still alpha and gamma decay).
And it IS known what the beta decay rate depends on – it is the coupling constant for weak interactions. And it is also know that this coupling constant varies slightly with energy. So it is actually known since about 50 years that the decay rate is not rigorously constant.
. Instead, I found it interesting for a curious reason involving the mechanism whereby the sun is able to affect the rate of radioactive decay.
You are digging deeper. As mentionned above it is not radioactive decay in general but only beta.
The variation measured is small well within the variability mentionned above and explained by the Standard Model.
Now correlation is of course not causation.
The only way the Sun could affect a nucleus energy are neutrinos (all other energy transfers are much too weak to perturb nuclear energy levels).
However the efficient cross section for neutrinos interactions is extremely small – the popular media like to write that almost all neutrinos travel through the whole Earth like if it was not there.
So the probability that solar neutrinos interact massively with all nucleuses of some specific element in order to modify their energy is zero for all practical purposes. This is excluded both empirically and theoretically.
So we have something like the sensationnal announce a year ago that neutrinos emitted in Geneva and captured in Italy were travelling faster than light. Unprecedented, ground breaki ng, Einstein was wrong etc etc. Of course it was shown later that the measure was an artifact.
This sun- beta decay correlation is for me (in that order)
– an artifact
– a real phenomenon that has nothing to do with the Sun itself (and even less with the hypothetical dark matter)
– a fake
Last but not least. Willis I mostly enjoy your posts because you have a solid common sense. But you really embarass yourself and misguide readers by posting your non sensical musings on technical matters which involve knowledge of quantum mechanics and high energy physics. The common sense doesn’t help there the least bit and you should be aware that you simply are not competent to comment on these matters that are far beyond your knowledge. WUWT should be kept to a minimum scientific standard and guest posters be intelligent enough to know when to speak and when not.
Einstein showed us that when identical excited states of quantum systems are in close enough proximity (in Minkowski space), the spontaneous decay of one system can stimulate the simultaneous decao of the adjacent system. This is the basis for the phenomenon called “Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation”, aka lasers.
The same principle applies when the systems are unstable nuclear isotopes aligned in a magnetic field. When a triton (tritium nucleus) decays it emits an energetic electron which *could* stimulate the emission of another electron from another nearby triton, effectively shortening the half-life of the triton. The main requirement for a chain reaction to occur would be high triton particle density in identical quantum states, achieveable by the high strength magnetic fields and high pressures found within the sun.
By extension, any other radioactive particle could also have its half-life shortened similarly. It remains to be seen whether earth-bound magnets such as those used in NMR studies could achieve the necessary particle densities and quantum alignment of any specific radioisotopes.
I suggest amateurs should be somewhat careful questioning fundamental physics.
Fundamental physics govern simple grade 7 experiments in the same way as it governs more complex systems (like the climate).
And any scientist worthy of that title will assure you that the beauty of science is that the more we know, the more we know that we do not know.
(God does not play into this whatsoever he’s just an oversimplification of certain spurious correlations.)
@- Greg Goodman
“Scientists say that there is some powerful omnipresent presence in the universe holding it all together. We can’t see it, can’t detect it but we know it’s there. They call it ‘dark energy’.
Christians call it God.”
Roadies call it ‘Gaffa Tape’, it has a light side and a dark side and holds everything together.
If they get their patent will the Sun have to pay them a licence fee?
Classic “understatement”:
Good essay but a bit understated. I still maintain Semmelweis is the best example of the consensus being wrong. That wrong headed consensus killed untold numbers of people including Semmelweis himself.
For millenia “scientists” thought the brain was a device for releasing excess heat.
But theres a more basic question. Are humans perhaps fundamentally incapable of comprehending the universe or some of its constituent phenomena?
Why is it assumed “we” will explain everything? Thats like a five year old assuming he’ll one day be a billionaire.
izen says:
May 14, 2013 at 3:43 am
And yet half a dozen companies are launching industrial-level LENR products for sale this year (2013) or next. Whence your definition of “nonsense”? Perhaps you should consider weak atomic forces rather than remain stuck in the realm of strong forces.
Greg Goodman says:
May 14, 2013 at 2:51 am
Yet neither Einstein nor Planck could calculate Planck’s constant, a number that was simply pulled out of thin air. However, Frank Znidarsic, a modest electrical engineer, uses only Newtonian and Hamiltonian equations and results obtained from cold fusion and anti-gravity experiments to calculate Planck’s constant directly (among other things). Here’s the first in a 23(?)-part series that explains the theory and eventually the elegant mathematics:
Michael says:
May 14, 2013 at 1:41 am
A demonstration of these, along with a theory called “Primer Fields” that supposedly eliminates the need for dark matter and black holes can be found in a fascinating yet unfinished series of videos starting here:
First question, one that hasn’t been posed for too long a time: is Pi a whole number?
Thank you Tomvonk for bringing some science to the discussion. I found both the article and most comments appalling. The mains constants of nature are not uncharted territory; to find even a small discrepancy in radioactive decay would be a major news, and are consequently tested all over the world, all the time. Yes we need to keep our minds open but as Carl Sagan said not so much that the brains fall off!
Dark matter and galaxy rotation curves:
Basically the outer stars of all galaxies rotate far too fast for the amount of known mass there. The further you get from the center, the slower should be the orbital speed, but, inexplicalby, after a certain point of charting speed vs distance from the center, the curve flattens out.
Simplified curves are shown in Wiki article below, but some much better illustrations (curve overlaying galaxy pictures) are in Vera Rubin’s work, which I can’t find it now.
The rotation speed (under our present knowledge) can only be accounted for by the presence of a huge amount of extra mass, hence ….. Dark Matter!
Vera Rubin, by the way, thinks the physics is wrong!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve
Some more curves here: http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Sept05/Sofue/Sofue4.html#4.2
Johan i Kanada says:
May 14, 2013 at 4:59 am
I assert atheists have more faith than God-fearing people. God-fearing people can attribute the universe and all its complexities to God the Creator; whereas honest atheists must recognize and rely on “magic”. I would like you to explain more about this “magic”.
Greg Goodman says:
May 14, 2013 at 2:51 am
The whole dark matter / dark energy conundrum basically means there is something fundamentally wrong with our understanding of basic physics.
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The modified twin paradox and the mach principle argue strongly that gravity itself is the ether, and motion is absolute in respect to the ether. The standard twin paradox does not consider the case where the twin on earth is experiencing a constant 1 g acceleration and the twin traveling in the space ship also experiences constant 1 g acceleration on an elliptical path reaching say 0.8c before eventually returning to earth. If motion is truly relative then neither twin should age differently because they are both experiencing 1g of acceleration and there is nothing to say one twin is moving at 0.8c and the other is not. However, we would expect the twin in the space ship to age slower. This contradicts the notion that motion is relative.
The Mach principle asks a simple question. Why do the stars stand still when we stand still and why do they move when we rotate? Does this not describe an absolute frame of reference? The Mach principle holds that the combined gravity of the universe forms an absolute frame of reference due to frame dragging, which appears to have been confirmed by Einstein in his letters to Mach. A body inside a hollow, rotating sphere would be dragged by the gravity of the sphere until it was rotating at the same speed as the sphere, giving the illusion that both the sphere and the object were standing still. However, this rotation would cause objects not dead center in the sphere to want to accelerate outwards due to centrifugal force towards the edge of the sphere, duplicating the effect that scientists currently call dark energy.
What we call dark energy is centrifugal force on a massive scale, resulting from the absolute motion of the universe. We live inside a rotating hollow sphere and we are rotating with it.
@- Rocky Road
I would like you to explain more about this “magic”.
Any sufficiently advanced science/tchnology looks like magic to the ignorant.
It does the rep of WUWT no good at all, just confirms the suspiscions of the mainstream science crowd to report on crank science like this. The fact that there may be commercial enterprises trying to get money outof this proves nothing about the reliability of the ‘science’. There are still people willing to put money into cold fusion and zero point energy devices, much to the benefit of the promoters of that nonsense, but with no actual energy produced or used!
one problem with centrifugal force explanation for dark energy is that it is limited to the plane of rotation, requiring that the universe be a sphere within a sphere within a sphere on to infinity. this suggests that our universe is not unique, but rather contained withing a larger universe.
Nice very simplified (well, about my level anyway) dark matter and dark energy here with nice diagrams…
http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/lectures/darkmatter.htm
Thank you Willis. A most important & thought provoking article.
Gro Harlem Brundtland, with Maurice Strong, is a principal architect of UN Agenda 21, the plot for global domination through one world govt, the forced reduction of world population by 93% according to the Georgia Greatstones, the abolition of private property including land, & the abolition of the family.
A good introduction to these two characters & the UN Agenda 21 plan to the political level:
http://www.mindsofliberty.com/2013/02/agenda-21-destroying-nations-and-working-for-world- government-under-the-guise-of-saving-the-planet/#sthash.7SmXwalW.dpbs
An excellent expose to the commercial & banking levels, which I posted in for the mods to look at yesterday:
http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_problem-gda
Also, a video duration 2 hrs 12 mins & well worth it, showing medical & energy science suppressed for commercial & political reasons, & suggesting peaceful methods of protesting & derailing this murderous plot, a la Gandhi or Martin Luther King:
http://www.thrivemovement.com/the_movie
Real quality work by Foster Gamble of the Proctor & Gamble folk. He didn’t go over to the dark side. 🙂
Gro Harlem Brundtland is more of an architect than a cheerleader Willis, as a 3 time prime minister of Norway, & long time Vice President of Socialist International, she is a rather formidable woman.
Finally, for UK readers, the EU is part of the plot, & has been a pack of lies foisted on the British public since the 1960s. From McMillan to Cameron, a plan to surrender sovereignty. The depths of this evil plan are simply staggering:
http://www.brugesgroup.com/mediacentre/?article=91#preface
Last but not least, a site that is interested in UK Independence & wellbeing:
http://www.ukcolumn.org
Keep em coming.
Regards,
JD.
“Truly. Nobody has a clue. It was first noticed in 2006, and to date we have no idea how the sun does it. But Purdue says it clearly, repeatably, and demonstrably works. When the sun changes, radioactive substances all over the world change their rate of decay.”
It is obviously not the sun affecting the rate of decay but rather that the sun and the Earth are affected by the same field. As the Solar System wanders through that field and encounters ripples in it all nuclear reactions are affected.
Similar to the “Slow Zone” and the “Beyond” in Vernor Vinge’s A Fire Beyond The Deep.