Should We Worry About the Earth’s Calculated Warming at 0.7C Over Last the Last 100 Years When the Observed Daily Variations Over the Last 161 Years Can Be as High as 24C?
Guest post by Dr. Darko Butina
In Part 1 of my contribution I have discussed part of the paper which describes first step of data analysis known as ‘get-to-know-your-data’ step. The key features of that step are to established accuracy of the instrument used to generate data and the range of the data itself. The importance of knowing those two parameters cannot be emphasized enough since they pre-determine what information and knowledge can one gain from the data. In case of calibrated thermometer that has accuracy +/- 0.5C it means that anything within 1C difference in data has to be treated as ‘no information’ since it is within the instrumental error, while every variation in data that is larger than 1C can be treated as real. As I have shown in that report, daily fluctuation in the Armagh dataset varies between 10C and 24C and therefore those variations are real. In total contrast, all fluctuations in theoretical space of annual averages are within errors of thermometer and therefore it is impossible to extract any knowledge out of those numbers.
So let me start this second part in which I will quantify differences between the annual temperature patterns with a scheme that explains how thermometer works. Please note that this comes from NASA’s engineers, specialists who actually know what they are doing in contrast to their colleagues in modelling sections. What thermometer is detecting is kinetic energy of the molecules that are surrounding it, and therefore thermometer reflects physical reality around it. In other words, data generated by thermometer reflect physical property called temperature of the molecules (99% made of N2 and O2 plus water) that are surrounding it:
Let us now plot all of Armagh data in their annual fingerprints and compare them with annual averages that are obtain from them:
Graph 1. All years (1844-2004) in Armagh dataset, as original daily recordings, displayed on a single graph with total range between -16C and +32C
Graph 2. All years (1844-2004) in Armagh dataset, in annual averages (calculated) space with trend line in red
Please note that I am not using any of ‘Mike’s tricks’ in Graph 2 where Y-axis range is identical to the Y-axis range in Graph1. Since Graph 2 is created by averaging data in Graph 1 it has to be displayed using the same temperature ranges to demonstrate what happens when 730-dimensional space is reduced to a single number by ‘averaging-to-death’ approach. BTW, I am not sure whether anyone has realised that not only a paper that analyse thermometer data has not been written by AGW community, but also not a single paper has been written that validates conversion of Graph 1 to Graph 2 – NOT A SINGLE PAPER! I have quite good idea, actually I am certain why that is the case but will let reader make his/her mind about that most unusual approach to inventing new proxy-thermometer without bothering to explain to wider scientific community validity of the whole process.
The main reason for displaying the two graphs above is to help me explain the main objective of my paper, which is to test whether the Hockey stick scenario of global warming, which was detected in theoretical space of annual averages, can be found in the physical reality of the Earth atmosphere, i.e. thermometer data. The whole concept of AGW hypothesis is based on idea that the calculated numbers are real and thermometer data are not, while the opposite is true. Graph 1 is reality and Graph 2 is a failed attempt to use averages in order to represent reality.
The hockey stick scenario can be represented as two lines graph consisting of baseline and up-line:
The main problem we now have is to ‘translate’ 730-dimensional problem, as in Graph 1, into two-line problem without losing resolution of our 730-bit fingerprints. The solution can be found in scientific field of pattern recognition that deals with finding patterns in complex data, but without simplifying the original data. One of the standard ways is to calculate distance between two patterns and one of the golden standards is Euclidean distance, let’s call it EucDist:
There are 3 steps involved to calculate it: square difference between two datapoints, sum them up and take square root of that sum. The range of EucDist can be anywhere between ‘0’ when two patterns are identical and very large positive number – larger the number, more distant two patterns are. One feature of using EucDist in our case is that it is possible to translate that distance back to the temperature ranges by doing ‘back-calculating’. For example, when EucDist = 80.0 it means that an average difference between any two daily temperatures is 3.14C:
1. 80 comes from the square root of 6400
2. 6400 is the sum of differences squared across 649 datapoints: 6400/649=9.86
3. 9.86 is an average squared difference between any two datapoints with the square root of 9.86 being 3.14
4. Therefore, when two annual temperature patterns are distant 80 in EucDist space, their baseline or normal daily ‘noise’ is 3.14C
Let me now introduce very briefly two algorithms that will be used, clustering algorithm dbclus, my own algorithm that I published in 1999 and since then has become one of the standards in field of similarity and diversity in space of chemical structures, and k Nearest Neighbours, or kNN, which is standard in fields of datamining and machine learning.
Basic principle of dbclus is to partition given dataset between clusters and singletons using ‘exclusion circles’ approach in which user gives a single instruction to the algorithm – the radius of that circle. Smaller the radius, tighter the clusters are. Let me give you a simple example to help you in visualising how dbclus works. Let us build matrix of distances between every planet in our solar system, where each planet’s fingerprints contain distance to all other planets. If we start with clustering run at EucDist=0, all planets will be labelled as singletons since they all have different grid points in space. If we keep increasing the radius of the (similarity) circle, at one stage we will detect formation of the first clusters and would find cluster that has the Earth as centroid and only one member – the Moon. And if we keep increasing that radius to some very big number, all planets of our solar system would eventually merge into a single cluster with the Sun being cluster centroid and all planets cluster members. BTW, due to copyrights agreement with the publisher, I can only link my papers on my own website which will go live by mid-May where free PDF files will be available. My clustering algorithm has been published as ‘pseudo-code’ so any of you with programming skills can code in that algorithm in any language of your choice. Also, all the work involving dbclus and kNN was done on Linux-based laptop and both algorithms are written in C.
Let us now go back to hockey stick and work out how to test that hypothesis using similarity based clustering approach. For the hockey stick scenario to work you need two different sets of annual temperature patterns – one set of almost identical patterns which form the horizontal line and one set that is very different and form up-line. So if we run clustering run at EucDist=0 or very close to it, all the years between 1844 up to, say 1990, should be part of a single cluster, while 15 years between 1990 and 2004 should either form their own cluster(s) or most likely be detected as singletons. If the hockey stick scenario is real, youngest years MUST NOT be mixed with the oldest years:
The very first thing that becomes clear from Table [4] is that there are no two identical annual patterns in the Armagh dataset. The next things to notice is that up to EucDist of 80 all the annual patterns still remain as singletons, i.e. all the years are perceived to be unique with the minimum distance between any two pairs being at least 80. The first cluster is formed at EucDist=81 (d-81), consisting of only two years, 1844 and 1875. At EucDist 110, all the years have merged into a single cluster. Therefore, the overall profile of the dataset can be summarised as follows:
· All the years are unique up to EucDist of 80
· All the years are part of a single cluster, and therefore ‘similar’ at EucDist 110
Now we are in a position to quantify differences and similarities within the Armagh historical data.
The fact that any two years are distant by at least 80 in EucDist space while remaining singletons, translates into minimum average variations in daily readings of 3.14C between any two years in the database.
At the other extreme, all the years merge into a single cluster at EucDist of 110, and using the same back-calculation as has been done earlier for EucDist of 80, the average variation between daily readings of 4.32C is obtained.
The first place to look for the hockey stick’s signal is at the run with EucDist=100 which partitioned Armagh data into 6 clusters and 16 singletons and to check whether those 16 singletons come from the youngest 16 years:
As we can see, those 16 singletons come from three different 50-years periods, 3 in 1844-1900 period, 5 in 1900-1949 period and 8 in 1950-1989 period. So, hockey stick scenario cannot be detected in singletons.
What about clusters – are any ‘clean’ clusters there, containing only youngest years in the dataset?
No hockey stick could be found in clusters either! Years from 1990 to 2004 period have partitioned between 4 different clusters and each of those clusters was mixed with the oldest years in the set. Therefore the hockey stick hypothesis has to be rejected on bases of the clustering results.
Let me now introduce kNN algorithm which will give us even more information about the youngest years in dataset. Basic principle of kNN is very similar to my clustering algorithm but with one difference: dbclus can be seeing a un-biased view of your dataset where only similarity within a cluster drives the algorithm. kNN approach allows user to specify which datapoints are to be compared with which dataset. For example, to run the algorithm the following command is issued:
“kNN target.csv dataset.csv 100.00 3” which translates – run kNN on every datapoint in target.csv file against the dataset.csv file at EucDist=100.00 and find 3 nearest neighbours for each datapoint in the target.csv file”. So in our case, we will find 3 most similar annual patterns in entire Armagh dataset for 15 youngest years in the dataset:
Let me pick few examples from Figure 8: year 1990 has the most similar annual patterns in years 1930, 1850 and 1880; supposedly the hottest year, 1998 is most similar to years 1850, 1848 and 1855, while 2004 is most similar to 1855, 2000 and 1998. So kNN approach not only confirms the clustering results, which it should since it uses the same distance calculation as dbclus, but it also identifies 3 most similar years to each of the 15 youngest years in Armagh. So, anyway you look at Armagh data, the same picture emerges: every single annual fingerprint is unique and different from any other; similarity between the years is very low; it is impossible to separate the oldest years from the youngest years and the magnitude of those differences in terms of temperatures are way outside the error levels of thermometer and therefore real. To put into context of hockey stick hypothesis – since we cannot separate oldest years from the youngest one in thermometer data it follows that whatever was causing daily variations in 1844 it is causing the same variations today. And that is not due to CO2 molecule.
Let us now ask a very valid question – is the methodology that I am using sensitive enough to detect some extreme events? First thing to bear in mind is that all that dbclus and kNN are doing is simply calculating distance between two patterns that are made of original readings – there is nothing inside those two bits of software that modify or adjust thermometer readings. Anyone can simply use two years from the Armagh data and calculate EucDist in excel and will come up with the same number that is reported in the paper, i.e. I am neither creating nor destroying hockey sticks inside the program, unlike some scientists whose names cannot be mentioned. While the primary objective of the cluster analysis and the main objective of the paper were to see whether hockey stick signal can be found in instrumental data, I have also look into the results to see whether any other unusual pattern can be found. One year that has ‘stubbornly’ refused to merge into the final cluster was year 1947, the same year that has been identified as ‘very unique’ in 6 different weather stations in UK, all at lower resolution than Armagh, either as monthly averages or Tmax/Tmin monthly averages. So what is so unusual about 1947? To do analysis I created two boundaries that define ‘normal’ ranges in statistical terms know as 2-sigma region and covers approximately 95% of the dataset and placed 1947 inside those two boundaries. Top of 2-sigma region is defined by adding 2 standard deviations to the mean and bottom by taking away 2 standard deviation from the mean. So any datapoints that venture outside 2-sigma boundaries is considered as ‘extreme’:
As we can see, 1947 has most of February in 3 sigma cold region and most of August in 3 sigma hot region illustrating the problem with using abstract terms like abnormally hot or cold year. So is 1947 extremely hot or extremely cold or overall average year?
Let me finish this report with a simple computational experiment to further demonstrate what is so horribly wrong with man-made global warming hypothesis. Let us take a single day-fingerprint, in this case Tmax207 and use the last year, 2004 as an artificial point where the global (local) warming starts by adding 0.1C to 2004, then another 0.1C to the previous value and continue that for ten years. So the last year is 1C hotter than its starting point, 2004. When you now display daily patterns for 2004+10 artificial years that have been continuously warming at 0.1C rate you can immediately see a drastic change in the overall profile of day-fingerprints:
What would be worrying, if Figure 10 is based on real data is that a very small but continuous warming trend of only 0.1C per annum would completely change the whole system from being chaotic and with large fluctuation into a very ordered linear system with no fluctuations at all.
So let me now summarise the whole paper: there is not a single experimental evidence of any alarming either warming or cooling in Armagh data, or in sampled data from two different continents, North American and Australia since not a single paper has been published, before this one, that analysis the only instrumental data that do exists – the thermometer data; we do not understand temperature patterns of the past or the present and therefore we cannot predict temperature patterns of the future; all temperature patterns across the globe are unique and local and everything presented in this paper confirms those facts. Every single aspect of man-made global warming is wrong and is based on large number of assumptions that cannot be made and arguments that cannot be validated: alarming trends are all within thermometer’s error levels and therefore have no statistical meaning; not a single paper has been published that have found alarming trends in thermometer data; and not a single paper has been published validating reduction of 730-dimensional and time dependent space into a single number.
Let me finish this report on a lighter note and suggest very cheap way of detecting arrival of global warming, if it ever does come to visit the Erath: let us stop funding any future work on global warming and instead simply monitor and record accuracy of next day temperatures instead! If you look at the above graph, it becomes obvious that once the next day temperature predictions become 100% accurate it will be clear and unequivocal sign that the global warming has finally arrived using following logic:
· chaotic system=no warming or cooling=0% next day prediction accuracy
· ordered-linear system=global warming=100% next day prediction accuracy
And let me leave you with two take-home messages:
· All knowledge is in instrumental data that can be validated and none in calculated data that can be validated only by yet another calculation
· We must listen to data and not force data to listen to us. As they say, if you torture data enough it will admit anything.
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Dr Darko Butina is retired scientist with 20 years of experience in experimental side of Carbon-based chemistry and 20 years in pattern recognition and datamining of experimental data. He was part of the team that designed the first effective drug for treatment of migraine for which the UK-based company received The Queens Award. Twenty years on and the drug molecule Sumatriptan has improved quality of life for millions of migraine sufferers worldwide. During his computational side of drug discovery, he developed clustering algorithm, dbclus that is now de facto standard for quantifying diversity in world of molecular structures and recently applied to the thermometer based archived data at the weather stations in UK, Canada and Australia. The forthcoming paper clearly shows what is so very wrong with use of invented and non-existing global temperatures and why it is impossible to declare one year either warmer or colder than any other year. He is also one of the co-authors of the paper which was awarded a prestigious Ebert Prize as best paper for 2002 by American Pharmaceutical Association. He is peer reviewer for several International Journals dealing with modelling of experimental data and member of the EU grants committee in Brussels.
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Dr. Butina, I have plotted thermometer records for nearly 90 US cities at the link below. I can send the data to you, if it would be useful. Some cities show a slight warming, some show no trend, and a few show cooling.
http://sowellslawblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/usa-cities-hadcrut3-temperatures.html?m=0
Your article is very interesting and I thank you for posting it here.
Best regards,
Roger Sowell
Manfred says:
April 17, 2013 at 8:22 pm
This may sound facile to all you mathematical and statistical cognoscenti out there, but could someone please explain to me when global mean temperatures are stated why is it that the range and the standard deviation for a given mean value are not stated together with that value? The mean on its own is (in my branch of science) seen as meaningless.
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Now there’s a valid point, and one that the heroes of the IPCC simply will not answer. It was probably my first clue than something was amiss in the climate debate when I first got interested in it years ago. I kept asking “where are the error bars?” on what I though were science sites, only to get slapped down with ridicule or snipped altogether. It was several years of frustration before I discover WUWT and other sites where that and other issues were being raised.
I’ll go one further though, and challenge anyone to come up with a way to calculate average temperature of the earth in the first place, and how it relates to average insolation and the SB Law temperature that it should produce. It can’t be done. I’ve demonstrated in the past with simple physics that the earth could be gaining energy while exhibiting a lower temperature. Average insolation and average temperature on an oblate sphere rotating in space with an axial tilt and an orbit shaped like an egg but with ripples in it from Jupiter and Saturn….meaningless numbers. They simply cannot be averaged in any meaningful way.
darkobutina says:
April 17, 2013 at 8:39 pm
I have asked readers to be sceptical and to prove me wrong, not by expressing their opinions on global warming or annual temperatures, but by actually looking into thermometer data. I even offered the award for the first person who proves me wrong.
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Sucker bet. It cannot be won because temperature is meaningless in this context. You cannot tell if CO2 or any other forcing is warming the earth because the direct effect of any forcing is measured in w/m2, not degrees. I cannot be measured in degrees. The following example is illustrative. Consider two points on earth at temps of 280 and 300 degrees Kelvin, for an average of 290. Via SB Law:
P=5.67*10^-8*T^4
They would be at 348.5 and 429.4 w/m2 respectively.
The average of which would be 389.0 w/m2
Which by SB Law would not be an average temperature of 290, but 287.8 K.
To further illustrate, suppose that the cold temp (280) went up by one degree and the warm temp (300) went down by one degree. The average temp by calculating (281+299)/2 still yields 290. But the w/m2 has actually gone up by 5.0 w/m2 in the cold region and down by 6.1 w/m2 in the warm region, so this two thermometer planet supposedly has the exact same temperature despite losing an extra 0.5 w/m2 on average.
Which is why analyzing temperature data to death with ANY statistical method will tell you exactly nothing about energy balance and what CO2 does or does not do.
I’m a raging skeptic over this whole climate mess, so I’d be very happy if this article was proof of my point of view. But it isn’t.
OK I messed up the math in my previous post.
280 = 348.5 w/m2, 300=459.3 w.m2 and the average comes out to 290.5 degrees K.
Its late, and I appear to have the Excel skills of Phil Jones at this point in the evening. But my point stands. With no linear relationship between w/m2 and degrees, you just cannot draw any conclusions about energy balance and warming or cooling from temps alone.
Darko Butina to Roger,
Your comment highlights this horrible state that the whole of climate community is at. Annual temperatures are NOT temperatures, they have no physical properties, they do not exists and they cannot be measured. Ask yourself, how do you validate Hatcrut data? Well, by another some ‘rigorous’ statistics, i.e. you validate one calculation by another calculations! people have to realize that annual average was not invented for any scientific reason, but as a desperate attempt to find correlation between temperatures and few molecules of CO2 that are generated by burning fossil fuels while ignoring vast majority of CO2 molecules that are produced by nature. since they could not find any warming trends in thermometer readings, they invented a parameter that cannot be validated by any instrument and therefore create situation where everyone can publish at will and cannot be proven wrong. Any trend analysis using something that does not exists, like annual averages, is totally useless and and I could categorically state here with 100% certainty that any model using annual average as a reference point will have 0% predictive power. And how do I know that – because I spent 20 years doing predictive modelling in market driven sector – that is sector where the predictive power of model is NOT judged by R^2 but with the experimental results. Difference between this mickey-mouse modelling of future temperature trends and modelling in market driven sector is that the first case cannot be validated for another 100 years while second case has to produce end product. Hope this helps.
Houston we may have a problem.
If solar output steadily increased:
a) Would the Earth’s average temperature steadily increase?
b) Would this method conclude (a) is not happening?
I have a hunch the answers are Yes and Yes.
Darko,
If “annual temperatures are NOT temperatures”, are monthly temperatures temperatures? How about daily temperatures? Hourly? Minute? Second? Nanosecond? Given that measurements are (nominally) instantaneous, averaging them over any period of time necessarily requires some assumptions. Anyone sufficiently interested could rather easily come up with tests (using either real or synthetic data) to see the extent to which averaging temperatures over different temporal resolutions can introduce uncertainty.
Darko,
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
Compare 1960 to 2012. By your method there’s been warming and plenty of it.
Darko;
And how do I know that – because I spent 20 years doing predictive modelling in market driven sector –
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Ah, I think I see the problem. You think that predictive modelling of a market somehow equates to predictive modelling of physics? I know english isn’t your first language, but if that is what you meant… sorry, doesn’t work that way.
davidmhoffer says:
April 17, 2013 at 10:26 pm
sorry, doesn’t work that way.
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apparently not all agree
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0805/0805.3426.pdf
Dynamical systems in nature such as atmospheric flows, heartbeat patterns, population dynamics, stock market indices, DNA base A, C, G, T sequence pattern, etc., exhibit irregular space-time fluctuations on all scales and exact quantification of the fluctuation pattern for predictability purposes has not yet been achieved.
@davidmhoffer
“degrees, you just cannot draw any conclusions about energy balance and warming or cooling from temps alone.”
What?
When we are talking about a warming climate what are we talking about if not a rising temperature.
Despite all your verbose but obscure posting on this you avoided the basic tenet of his theoretical proposal, ie. if the temperature is rising at a steady 0.1C yearly then despite the chaotic nature of weather, at the end of the 10 year period the trend line would simply have to be inclined upwards.
As to the planets and temp It was not a comparison but an example.
What is it the you so detest in this quest post?
more on the mathematical errors of naively applying statistics to climate
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0805/0805.3426.pdf
The Gaussian probability distribution used widely for analysis and description of large data sets underestimates the probabilities of occurrence of extreme events such as stock market crashes, earthquakes, heavy rainfall, etc. The assumptions underlying the normal distribution such as fixed mean and standard deviation, independence of data, are not valid for real world fractal data sets exhibiting a scale-free power law distribution with fat tails.
And this article showing how the plotting formulas for estimating extreme events are wrong.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JAM2349.1
Consequently, the various other methods for determining the plotting positions, suggested during the last 90 years, such as the formulas by Blom, Jenkinson, and Gringorten, the computational methods by Yu and Huang (2001), as well as the modified Gumbel method, are incorrect when applied to estimating return periods.
Mark Aurel;
What?
When we are talking about a warming climate what are we talking about if not a rising temperature.
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CO2 doubling doesn’t change temperature. It changes w/m2. W/m2 in turn changes temperature. But 3.7 w/m2 at -40 C changes temperature by 1.3 degrees. 3.7 w/m2 at +40 C changes temperature by 0.54 degrees.
So when the IPCC says that CO2 doubling = 3.7 w/m2 = +1 degree, I have no idea what they mean, and neither do they.
Mark Aurel;
if the temperature is rising at a steady 0.1C yearly then despite the chaotic nature of weather, at the end of the 10 year period the trend line would simply have to be inclined upwards.
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My point was that an increase in CO2 does not dictate a steady temperature increase. In fact the physics suggest that a steady temperature increase due to an increase in CO2 is unlikely, if not impossible. So testing for something that is unlikely or impossible in the first place and finding that it doesn’t exist proves what?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/03/agw-bombshell-a-new-paper-shows-statistical-tests-for-global-warming-fails-to-find-statistically-significantly-anthropogenic-forcing/
For those interested in what a credible stats analysis showing that CO2 is near meaningless looks like.
davidmhoffer says:
April 17, 2013 at 8:42 pm
His analogy defines clusters of objects separated by 3 dimensional space. The climate data that he then analyses is a series of data points separated by time which is a linear unidirectional dimension.
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An analogy compares one thing to another. He is not comparing climate to planets. He was showing the effect of scale on clustering. Climate data is a 2D projection into the plane formed by temperature and time. Without temperature, climate would be a straight line.
The planets can also be projected in 2D into the orbital plane. However, the measure of clustering is distance which is independent of dimension. The method discovered by Pythagoras allows us to calculate distance between any two points in N-space and returns a scalar.
In fact, the Armagh data is available up to the present day, not just 2004.
Start at http://climate.arm.ac.uk/scans/2005/01/summary.html and work forward.
Darko Butina to davidmhoffer
If you read carefully what I said is: “because I spent 20 years doing predictive modelling in market driven sector”, NOT predicting markets. In my case as you can see from my brief CV, it was drug discovery sector, where end product is a drug molecule. If model picks 100 molecules to make and you test those 100 molecules in biological screen that was used to build the model in the first place, and you get 80 actives than your prediction rate is 80% or R^0.8. The whole point of our discussion here is that in experimental sciences when you make statement ‘we know’ it means that you understand exactly what the underlying mechanism is and you deal in certainties and not probabilities. We know that drug molecule that I was involved with works because in last 20 years it had drastically improved quality of life for millions of migraine sufferers and we know that we understand principles of combustion engine because we produced millions of them. So if you want to find whether there is correlation between CO2 and temperatures, you don’t calculate but you measure daily concentrations of CO2 at the same place where the thermometer is. And what you will find is that it is not there since and cannot be there since it would violate all gas laws. No gas molecule of the open system, as our atmosphere is, can control temperature – it is the other way around – temperature control behaviour of gas molecules. And how do I know that – because I worked twenty years in carbon-based chemistry, used CO2 in chemical reactions and to perform chemical reaction you have to know everything that is known about molecules that are used in that chemical reaction. All you need to do is to go to the http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com and look for temperatures vs density of gases. Hope this helps
Leaving aside the scientific content for a moment, I would like to comment on another issue: the quality of the writing of this post. The grammar and syntax of this is below the standard I normally see on this site. I’m surprised that the author did not ask a friend or find someone who could help with a little copy-editing before publication. It’s one thing for throwaway comments to be a bit rough and ready with the language, but the continuous stream of awkward phrasing and the consistent omission of definite and indefinite articles in the post start to convey an impression of amateurishness and sloppiness, which is unfortunate, because it takes attention away from the content. It’s easy to find copy-editors who would be able to polish up an article suitable for publishing. Many here would probably volunteer their services as a way of helping to add quality contributions to the debate. I’m not trying to be harsh here — I’m just saying that some things can be improved, for everyone’s benefit.
DaveA says: April 17, 2013 at 10:05 pm
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Maybe the cyclic variation in solar energy is contained within the range of the temperature record … heating and cooling.
Probably not relevant to the discussion here, but I remember the winter of 1947 very well. We were snowed in for 6 weeks, I got 6 weeks off school, my sister went to town to stay with a friend so that she could sit her school leaving exams and was taken there on the train full of 700 soldiers who were digging the snow from the nearby railway line. My Mother was very worried but my Father said that she was completely safe because all the troops would be watching each other, and anyway he had been in the Army with the CO.
Can’t wait for part 3.
Temperature is only accurate for an object if all molecules of that object are at equilibrium. This is possible only at 0K (absolute zero) which is a theoretical temperature because to get all molecules at the same kinetic energy is impossible. To get an average temperature of a planet’s atmosphere is also impossible and meaningless because equilibrium is impossible in a chaotic regime like our atmosphere.
Maximum temperature measured on the surface is over 50C, minimum is -80C a span of 130 degrees. Both temperatures are possible on the same day, the warmest in the NH the coldest the SH. Bothering about less than a degree change is total stupidity.
funny about that
I feel that Dr Burkina’s approach is only adding ever more complicate statistical approaches to what should be a simple hypothesis to test: Does an increase in atmospheric CO2 result in an increase in temperature?
Sadly, I have not seen a single paper that actually approaches this hypothesis and attempts to test it correctly. What so-called scientists have done is outright fraud, and it is to the shame of the scientific community that they have gotten away with it so long. What Phil Jones and crew have done is simply plot temperatures over time. They have then found a number of years that show a trend that happens to be upward and they have simply stated that that trend is caused by CO2 et voila, we have a measurement of climate sensitivity.
This is nonsense as I will quickly prove. Here is a hypothesis: “It can be shown that your star sign determines the likelihood you will suffer from depression and Greek astrologers were right and horoscopes have validity”. OK, so do we have measurements that can be used to plot likelihood of depression against star-sign? Yes we do. Children born under the star-sign Capricorn show a significantly higher chance of developing depression than those born under the star-sign Leo. Therefore the hypothesis is proved right?
WRONG! Because the start-signs just happen to coincide not with the position of the distant stars in our galaxy but with one particular star: THE SUN! If you get born in Winter you are more likely to suffer depression than if you get born in the Summer, and guess what – that also determines your star-sign!
Similarly the data produced by Phil Jones et al. shows not the trend in temperature related to CO2 but an entirely coincidental trend that happens to have been caused by a very slight decrease in cloud-cover over a 45 year period since WWII. If anybody from the AGW wants to prove me wrong they are welcome to go ahead and actually TEST their original hypothesis instead of looking for random “trends” in limited temperature data and claiming them as their own.
@davidmhoffer
forget it mate, you are carrying on with your theme regardless of what we ask or say.
He proposed an “Hypothetical scenario” in the context of his paper!
Do you deny that a steady increase in temp will produce a correspondingly rising trend-line?
Nothing to do with CO2 or anything.