It seems the debate is getting a bit testy in the land of watercress sandwiches and doilies*.
“Man-made global-warming hypothesis is dead in the water” says Godfrey Bloom MEP, but it gets better, he points a finger at the chairman and shouts “denier”.
Watch.
h/t to Tom Nelson
* Some people thought I was referring to Belgium. No, I was referring to the EU Parliament in Brussels. I had lunch service there in a roomful of skeptics while Climategate raged in my mind, and I couldn’t say anything until it was verified. I recall the lunch service because it seemed to heighten the surreal situation I found myself in. – Anthony
I don’t really understand the point of all this crowing over the wiggles (largely unforced natural variability) in the global warming trend. It will only come back to bite you.
Oh wait, it was Anthony’s original post, OK then, Carry On….
*eyeroll*
The big irony is that the Hockey Stick is almost pure climate change denial for the full length until the blade.
I would have been a lifelong Conservative voter, but no longer. I’m a UKIP voter now. I will never vote for a party whose policies are designed to push up the cost of energy. Of the main parties in the UK, UKIP is the only one with sensible policies on Europe and energy and, judging by this video, on climate change.
I’ll probably never vote Conservative while Cameron is leader. He lost my vote when he broke his ‘cast-iron’ promise on the referendum. I simply don’t believe his new promise on a referendum in the distant future. And he is completely deluded on climate change.
Chris
Be careful what we wish for.
UKIP’s popularity amongst the right will just split the right vote and allow a left victory in the local and national elections.
By using the term ‘denier’, he obviously meant Natural Climate Change Denier.
There are one helluva lot of them gorging themselves in the European parliament trough.
He represents a UK political party that is currently viewed as somewhat “fringe” in the MSM. However, I like many other fed up ordinary voters believe they will pick up a large number of seats in the UK local elections due in early May… it will be interesting to see both how the MSM respond to that and also how much further the other parties will go to adopt UKIP copy-cat policies.
Love the way he told the truth to those blinkered by the Meme.
Icarus62:
I write to refute your disingenuous post at April 16, 2013 at 3:21 am. It says
Oh, I am certain you do “understand”. It is the scientific practice of comparing prediction to reality.
The important fact of the recent halt to global warming needs to be stated and explained at every opportunity because we were told by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that the recent halt is not possible.
This is stated in IPCC AR4 (2007) Chapter 10.7 which can be read at
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-7.html
It says there
In other words,
The IPCC expected that global temperature would rise at an average rate of “0.2°C per decade” over the first two decades of this century with half of this rise being due to atmospheric GHG emissions which were already in the system.
This assertion of “committed warming” should have had large uncertainty because the Report was published in 2007 and there was then no indication of any global temperature rise over the previous 7 years. There has still not been any rise and we are now way past the half-way mark of the “first two decades of the 21st century”.
So, if this “committed warming” is to occur such as to provide a rise of 0.2°C per decade by 2020 then global temperature would need to rise over the next 7 years by about 0.4°C. And this assumes the “average” rise over the two decades is the difference between the temperatures at 2000 and 2020. If the average rise of each of the two decades is assumed to be the “average” (i.e. linear trend) over those two decades then global temperature now needs to rise before 2020 by more than it rose over the entire twentieth century. It only rose ~0.8°C over the entire twentieth century.
Simply, the “committed warming” has disappeared (perhaps it has eloped with Trenberth’s ‘missing heat’?).
I add that the disappearance of the “committed warming” is – of itself – sufficient to falsify the AGW hypothesis as emulated by climate models. If we reach 2020 without any detection of the “committed warming” then it will be 100% certain that all projections of global warming are complete bunkum.
Richard
If the temperature standstill continues then expect the political debate to heat up. No pun intended. The hiatus is increasingly being reported in the media and the dam cannot hold the truth back for much longer.
Thanks for the kind thoughts Kev and Marty 🙂 Ouch, so pedantic, Marty!
No, Kev, this is the Village where I belong. An isolated community living in the dark ages. The Renaissance has long passed us by – the ancient catechism still enforced by the iron fist of our Masters.
But the Village Idiot can (usually) say what he wants and get away with it 😉 – not unlike the lad in the crowd watching the Emperor.
@richardscourtney:
The actual warming rate is very close to that –
GISTEMP warming rate, °C per decade:
1973 – 2003: 0.16
1974 – 2004: 0.18
1975 – 2005: 0.17
1976 – 2006: 0.18
1977 – 2007: 0.17
1978 – 2008: 0.17
1979 – 2009: 0.16
1980 – 2010: 0.16
1981 – 2011: 0.17
1982 – 2012: 0.17
Obviously with numerous studies finding that the planetary energy imbalance is around 0.6W/m², and our emissions continuing unabated, it would be unrealistic to expect global warming to slow down any time soon.
Godfrey Bloom deserves praise not only for his rhetoric, but also for alleviating Eurocratic economic misery. In a terse item, the Beeb reports that the European parliament will not do more to prop up the price of carbon:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22167675
@ur momisugly Philip Peake
You could always vote for realism? We have an opportunity real soon #;-)
Grrrrrrrrrr. Here we go again!
“I will me more impressed we we see the same from either a Labour or Conservative MEP.”
You will never see the same from either Labour or Conservative. (oxymoron’s, both) What you *will* see eventually is far more UKIP MEP’s than either of those. Just keep things going on their current trends, and keep sacrificing ordinary people to the great green monster.
Great news from the EU.
temp says:
April 15, 2013 at 7:17 pm
davidxn says:
April 15, 2013 at 7:15 pm
“I think it’s ironic, but rather inappropriate to use the “D” word against alarmists; we should not stoop to their level.”
Let’s not be ridiculous. Denier is not a swear word and does not need to be abbreviated in comments. The article was quoting an important speech supporting our viewpoint and cause and in which the word was used. It is only objectionable when used to equate with haulocost denial. The speaker was merely asking the chairman to deny the facts that he had presented so clearly. There is nothing wrong whatsoever in using the word in the correct context, so let’s stop being so touchy on the subject even though I support the view that we should not tolerate the word being used when related to haulocast. A very good speech for which we should all be very grateful.
icarus62:
Even by your standards, your post at April 16, 2013 at 4:35 am is daft.
It quotes my having said
Please note I reported with citation, link and quotation the IPCC expectation
”over the first two decades of this century”.
But you say
You cite GISTEMP which is extremely corrupted; see e.g.
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/giss/hansen-giss-1940-1980.gif
But that is trivial when you have cherry picked time periods only one of which pertains to data for the period 2000 to present.
If one wants to know how long it has been since there was any discernible global warming at 95% confidence then one has to start from now – any other date is ‘cherry picking’ – and consider back in time. Then one has to determine if global temperature trend differs from zero at the low confidence level of 95% which is used by ‘climate science’.
It turns out that – depending on which time series is analysed – the time of no recent discernible global warming at 95% confidence is between 16 and 23 years. In other words, discernible global warming stopped at least 16 years ago.
Werner Brozek went further and – like you – ignored significance but he considered whether the global temperature trend was negative (i.e. suggested cooling) over periods of the past from now.
And people wanting more information on when global warming stopped can read the recent update on the matter by justthefactswuwt at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/14/a-big-picture-look-at-earths-temperature-the-pause-update/
He introduces his detailed review of all available data sets saying
Of course, icarus62, that is factual reporting and so is of no interest to you.
“The IPCC expected that global temperature would rise at an average rate of “0.2°C per decade” over the first two decades of this century with half of this rise being due to atmospheric GHG emissions which were already in the system.“
There has been NO global warming so far this century according to each and all of the available data sets.
Richard
@richardscourtney: That is what I meant about the ‘wiggles’ in the global warming trend. You’re focusing on the natural unforced variability, and neglecting the undiminished global warming trend. The planetary energy imbalance is, by definition, continuing global warming (the planet is absorbing more heat than it is emitting to space). If you ignore the fact that warming continues unabated then, as I said, it’s going to come back and bite you.
Oh for…
Come on, icarus… do you not understand the concept of “skeptic”? You just pulled a random number out of your backside and you’re panicking over it.
Do you actually believe that your imaginary “energy imbalance” is so precisely quantified? Do you really worry about this? I can’t even begin to tell you how amusing that is.
Nothing is going to come back and “bite me”. Well, maybe you.
icarus62:
Your excuse at April 16, 2013 at 5:25 am does not wash.
The IPCC predicted warming.
The IpCC said the warming was certain because of GHGs already in the system.
The warming has NOT happened.
The IPCC prediction was based on AGW and it is clearly wrong.
Importantly, this was a prediction and not a projection.
Your excuses do not and cannot change that.
But you ignore reality and assert there is
there is not because discernible global warming stopped at least 16 years ago.
And you falsely claim
It is not: warming of the planet is by definition global warming.
You are trying to move the goal posts to somewhere beyond the orbit of Jupiter.
And you enter into pure fantasy when you assert
The warming has stopped. Accept it. And rejoice that warming which does not exist cannot “bite you”.
The “committed warming” and “Trenberth’s missing heat” have vanished (probably been radiated to space) and your imaginings do not make them appear except in your mind. I suggest you stop smoking whatever is giving you these imaginings.
Richard
EU Parliamentary sessions never are debates, just pre-scripted ideological asseverations shouted out for PR purposes. Nonetheless, as Klimat Kultists’ bleats-and-squeaks begin to fade for want of audience, public forums loom larger by default. By c. 2020, ’twill be a brave Green Gangster indeed who expects to mouth his Warmist inanities unchallenged.
@CodeTech: When multiple peer-reviewed studies find very much the same value for planetary energy imbalance, and that is consistent with sea level rise and cryosphere meltdown and the surface and lower troposphere temperature series then yes, I’m inclined to believe that they’re right. It’s good to be sceptical but you should also take full account of the weight of evidence.
I am jumping for joy after hearing what this man said. It is about time someone had the guts to tell it as it really is. Farage and Bloom make a great pair and UKIP will go from strength to strength. Cameron and his barmy army better sit up and take notice.
Gareth Phillips says:
April 16, 2013 at 1:56 am
“You really don’t want this chap on your side.
In December 2008, Bloom had to be carried out by an intern after making a European Parliament speech while drunk. During the speech, Bloom denied that the MEPs from Poland, the Czech Republic or Latvia have the ability to understand economic relations. In February 2012, Bloom interrupted a debate with the question whether the Cambridge University Women’s Rugby team should wear their logo on the front or back of their shirts.”
Ah yeah, slinging a little mud from the left. You can’t attack the argument so you attack the man. Alinsky tactics from the Fabians.
Icarus62:
I am pleased that in your post at April 16, 2013 at 5:47 am you have said something I agree.
You say
YES!
So take full account of the weight of evidence. Global warming stopped at least 16 years ago. The scare is over. Rejoice at this good news.
Richard