Tom Nelson writes:
Bummer: If the Kochs are really spending $100 million annually on climate change denial (as Michael Mann claims), why is prominent skeptic JoNova forking over her own cash to replace her five-year-old computer?
Also, why did I just pay 100% of the costs to replace my own 6-year-old MacBook Pro?
Global gloom. Help. I need a new computer. « JoNova
Donations gratefully received. A newer monster with more memory has been ordered…
Right now these self funding academic researcher-analyst-commentators could do with support (and we could use more than just a ‘puter).
Flashback: Michael Mann: “Kochs spend 100M$/year on #climatechange denial”
Hey Michael: Who, specifically, gets that money each year? How, specifically, does that money get spent?
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I’ve met Jo and I’m privy to some of her personal details and many of the problems associated with keeping her website going, which is self-hosted. I just sent Jo a donation, and I urge others to do so too (see the tip jar at upper right here), if for no other reason than spite for Michael Mann’s lewdicrous conspiracy theory ideation.
For the record I don’t get any money from the Kochs either (either directly or indirectly) and I don’t know any climate skeptic who does.
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Anthony: In your reply you use the phrase “fellow traveler”. I don’t think you want to use that term/phrase, since the far left has co-opted it.
Activism doesn’t necessarily get in the way of truth #geek49203, that is a dangerously general statement you made. Activism often gets the truth out. Consider wikileaks. Or is that a bit too much activism for you 😉
What’s important to note is that Michael Mann is under the delusion that the grant money (translation: forcibly extracted taxpayer money) he receives is ‘good’ money whereas the money (however piddling it may be) that differing scientific research receives is ‘bad’ money. So, to correct this imbalance, he applies a special differentiating, multivariate, compensational, statistical analysis; which has absolutely no correlation with the real world but, what the heck, the UN really likes it. This DMCS, which has the same analytical reality as Obama’s budgets, is then applied to the ‘bad’ money that skeptics receive and multiplies it by a factor which Mann has yet to reveal but is really really huge. So, this is how he comes up with these funding figures. It’s also how Santa Claus does it.
I thought we were going to start lambasting warmists for being ACTUALLY funded by “fossil fuel interests”, etc. Like Al Gore going from oil to tobacco and back to oil via Al Jazeera. And Greenpeace and the WWF. Not to mention most of the anti coal rhetoric originally stems from natural gas companies.
“The existence of climate sceptics who aren’t receiving money does not invalidate the claim that the money is being spent.”
No? Perhaps if you could provide evidence for that claim and for where “the money is being spent”, Ryan?
REPLY: actually, the onus is on you. You made the claim, back it up or shut up – Anthony
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_traveler
Not sure the left co-opted it, but it isn’t an endearing term, historically.
Ryan Gainey says:
April 9, 2013 at 8:18 am
The existence of climate sceptics who aren’t receiving money does not invalidate the claim that the money is being spent. Surely that is obvious to all parties?
Did you forget your tag? Of course “money is being spent.” The question is by whom and for what. If you didn’t forget that tag, then perhaps you would care to actually explain what’s obvious and why. That it, do you have some facts that back up an association between “big money” and skepticism? There is plenty of documentation of government and oil money going to “AGW” coffers. Mann’s pay check to point to merely one little aspect, and his research are funded by public money.
Never mind. I finally read the instructions.
I’m poor as a church mouse myself. In order to do the temporary stateside media contact work I did last year for CFACT on their Rio+20 visit, they had to donate me money to buy a used 2007 iMac, since my 2000-era iMac was on its last legs. Seems the big Exxon check for all I’ve done in the last 3 years is still MIA…………..
Happy to contribute a few $$ to keeping Jo’s site going
This Mann fellow is the new Hansen.
Wow! This Anthony guy is so far into denial he doesn’t even know he’s funded by the Koch Brothers…lol!
It’s funny how every movement has to identify (or create) a boogeyman for the troops to rally against. Every time I see a poster use “Koch Brothers” I suspect I’m dealing with a person of low cognitive ability…
@ur momisugly Robert Scott says:
April 9, 2013 at 9:16 am
Bob, I live in the UK – the Paypal site seems set up for $US, however decide the amount you wish to donate (in $US) and it will convert the amount from your account and Jo gets her funds – worked for me.
I can’t imagine taking on the cost and hassles of self-hosting. Mostly the hassles because hardware is relatively cheap and Linux is free, but an internet connection with enough bandwidth to allow high-speed connections for multiple users isn’t cheap and represents an ongoing expense.
Anyhoo, is there an online form to apply for the Koch money? (It’s probably located on the same site for the form to apply to not work at NASA – GISS.)
JPS says:
April 9, 2013 at 7:53 am
> love your site but this is petty IMHO
It adds up. I replaced my 5 year old computer over Christmas (it keeps busy with stuf for WUWT, my weather data, my baseball “runnings”, etc. not an easy job.
Do you think it’s worthwhile to preserve http://john-daly.com/ ? I’m leading that effort. Will you call that petty if we look for donations to give people a chance to help?
I have some idea of how much time Anthony and Joanne spend to try to help stop world governments from spending a trillion dollars on a problem that may not exist. I know I can’t do it, at least not without cutting back on work time.
It’s nice that you think a new computer comes out of petty change. Perhaps you have a spare 1,000 hours per year to donate to let them get their careers back in order.
RockyRoad says (April 9, 2013 at 9:07 am)
I know Mikey visits this site and reads every word written about him,
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Surely he has taxpayer-financed flunkies to do that for him…
Anthony, would you accept a nice big cheque from the Kochs if it was offered? Personally, I wouldn’t have any problem with that if you did.
REPLY: Only if I had a specific project in mind that could benefit from funding. Muller had BEST funded by Koch for example. – Anthony
Anthony, speaking of related sites having difficulties, is there any update as to the john-daly.com saga?
It seems to be operational again, did you or the community lend a hand?
I was going to suggest that you incorporate his site into yours if his survivors are in fact now also gone.
Just wondering what happened.
@Frederick Davies –
Couldn’t agree more, and let me add this: if Big Oil were funding skeptics’ efforts to bring out the truth about climate change, they wouldn’t just be aiding their own business, they’d be doing an invaluable public service. If skeptics did get money from Big Oil, that’s nothing to be ashamed of. Big Oil couldn’t possibly be as corrupt and venal as the EPA and other agencies at home and abroad who are funding Mann and the other alarmies and stealing hard-earned taxpayer dollars to do it.
Ryan Gainey says:
April 9, 2013 at 8:18 am
“The existence of climate sceptics who aren’t receiving money does not invalidate the claim that the money is being spent. Surely that is obvious to all parties?”
Surely it is obvious to all that if the world’s best science blog isn’t getting any cash, then no other sceptic is. If you read a few of the comments instead of demonstrating a glazed, impermeable intellect, you would know the Koch Bros were spending it on defeating Obama.
So what is your own personal opinion on the climate change debate and why?
Blade says:
April 9, 2013 at 10:30 am
I found and contacted the content provider who reenabled the site for the time being. “Managerial review” hasn’t happened yet, at least I haven’t been contacted.
I also found a link between the current maintainer and someone else, and talked to him on Sunday. He’s following up with his Email address and skills as a computer security investigator.
My expectation is that I will take over the site (and may make a copy on a wordpress blog), but nothing is definite except that john-daly.com is too important to lose.
To Jim Brock who says on April 9, 2013 at 8:29 am:
“Tried to donate…couldn’t get more than $1 to register. How do you donate a sensible amount?”
Solution: Donate to her computer needs through her “Emergency Chocolate Support” project.
Sadly, the Australian government is showing more and more signs of morphing into an ugly anti-liberty plutocracy. It’s none of my business, but I hope you Aussies keep in mind that government doesn’t give you liberty. You have to take it.
Jo explains it this way: “the Australian government says that I need permission from them to accept “donations”. (It might be your money, but you can only donate it to a Registered Charity.) So instead of accepting “donations” I’m selling units of $1 emergency chocolate support of which you may “purchase” as many as you want.”
Again, just make your contribution like I did —$XX bucks worth of “Emergency Chocalate Support.”
I sent in a donation. Where do I send the receipt to Koch to get reimbursed?
I hope that Jo gets enough support to get her new machine, but as for the rest of it, I can’t help feeling that somewhere in China and India, some people are monitoring all this and laughing their heads off. Then they say ‘quick, here comes a westerner, put your serious face on. And dont smirk when they mention Climate change, or its the gulag for you’
“Tried to donate…couldn’t get more than $1 to register. How do you donate a sensible amount?”
overwrite the $1 amount in the box and hit enter. It will then update.