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Anthony,
James Delingpole has an interesting challenge that may interest your readers at http://bogpaper.com/2013/02/22/delingpole-on-friday-governments-cant-spend-their-way-out-of-a-recession-by-stimulating-demand/#comment-1251
The challenge is toward the end but it is,
“What we need to do is find a way of expressing, lucidly, entertainingly, persuasively, why it is that all those liberal-lefties who believe that it makes economic sense for government to go on spending at current levels are not just wrong but demonstrably wrong.
So that’s my challenge to you, Bogpaper readers. Especially those of an economic bent.”
And I urge folk to check out the comments by poster ‘dr’ and ‘david’.
It certainly gave me food for thought!
From Canada…
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2013/02/18/sk-concerns-raised-about-carbon-business-2013.html
“A climate change initiative that’s one of Saskatchewan’s most prominent scientific projects has been embroiled for years in allegations of conflict of interest and financial waste, CBC has learned.
The Regina-based company known as IPAC-CO2 (the International Performance Assessment Centre for the Geologic Storage of Carbon Dioxide) was formed in 2008 to create international standards for carbon sequestration, which is the storage of carbon dioxide underground.
Millions of dollars from government and industry went into the venture, which is located at the University of Regina campus. Now a CBC investigation has discovered that some people running the company were in an apparent conflict of interest.
Among those who were asking questions about IPAC was Carmen Dybwad, who became CEO of the company in 2010.
She was excited to start at the project that’s right at the heart of the Saskatchewan government’s environmental plan. (…)”
@ur momisugly John Bell,
That pretty much covers it, check out Bob Tisdale’s take on the same, he uses the sea surface temperatures for data, which most seem to agree is the best we currently have.
This whole scam is a rerun of soothsayers running amuck and taking advantage of modern education and bureaucracy.
Conditions were perfect when the scam started,academia & governments full of poorly educated, wrt to maths and science, self important people who will never ever admit to ignorance.
Weaned on the likes of Tiny Tim, nuclear war and fear of the future.
Awash in feel good social scienciness.
The fables of Chicken Little, The Emperors New Clothes and such were out of fashion and appeal to authority was at a societal peak.
We were rich, the housing bubble would never end,bankers were honest and our politicians had the nations best interests at heart.
Any more malarky I can sell you?
As evil,greedy people are destructive to everything they touch, this scam too is failing .
Its awful to be so sure that you are the only one who can run everyone lives better than they can.
Yet too stupid to realize your own is a mess.
Very early on, those who must lead us, for our own good of course, found out they could not get elected in sufficient numbers to hold control, so they seem to have planned this power grab.
Using fear, to stampede the “common folk” into granting the elites control.
The UN being promoted as central control for the global citizen.
Now I do not yet know how much is malice or how much stupidity but the UN,politicians,NGOs, government agencies and our media are in for a rough ride.
We are broke and bitter because these clowns did not do their jobs.
Any of those parties, if acting with integrity, could have exposed the nonsense inherent in CAWG, simply by asking to see the evidence.
Currently with the consensus myth destroyed, no evidence has yet been produced confirming any manmade warming, yet politicians continue to attempt policy restricting CO2 and no inquiries into how this scam managed to run for so long. Governments protect their own, not their citizens.
Now with CO2 emissions up= global temperature flatlining.
Still none of these groups is questioning their assumptions.
I believe that the Anthropogenic Weathers Scare was/is created by our government agencies, propagated by these agencies and is still protected by them.
This will become a history lesson in how bureaucracies can not be trusted, as they are similar in character to cancer, CAGW has been wonderful for agency budgets.
The only way voters get their interests protected, is by gutting government on a regular basis.
If not kept small and in fear of society, government becomes what we have now, a blind, grasping greedy master, with no clue what wealth really is.
Sop now we are poor again, poverty makes informed citizens and removes the overburden of waste and bureaucracy that has impoverished us.
Human nature does not change, so the cycles continue, but these current “leaders” we will attempt to evade the consequences of their actions, by creating an external enemy to focus our anger upon someone other than themselves.
Same old game Boom, Bust, Depression, war and repeat.
Same people get richer with each cycle?
@John Bell, I too appreciated your comment, but I didn’t find it to be a rant. Solid points. Definitely worth my time to read it. Thanks! I like the discussion of AGW and pathological science. And: “GW will always be the disaster that is always just around the corner, but never materializes.” That is certainly 100% true with sea level! See my post above.
Raspberry,
Einsteins’s paradox is not considered a paradox among the folks who operate the satellites overhead as satellite GPS clocks in orbit have to adjust precisely to what the theory of relativity dictates. I could be wrong though but I was left to believe by an article some years ago that our accuracy in chronology had long surpassed any doubt about relative time.
As for Holocene temps, I am trying to find articles from an either Scandinavian, Icelandic, Western Canadian or Washington State biologist who had found a thermometer in some type of mussels and, unlike Briffas trees, showed no divergence problem.
Then there is the forty plus graphs from Ice Age Now.
John another;
I am trying to find articles from an either Scandinavian, Icelandic, Western Canadian or Washington State biologist who had found a thermometer in some type of mussels and, unlike Briffas trees, showed no divergence problem.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/10/paleo-clamatology/
Lubos has just produced a nonlinear fit to the carbon dioxide curve at Mauna Loa:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2013/02/mauna-loa-carbon-dioxide-fit.html
A mere 6th-degree Fourier expansion with 12 parameters (6 for sines, 6 for cosines) fit by nonlinear approximation. Von Neumann’s elephant will not only be wiggling his trunk, but his ears, tail, and balancing on one leg simultaneously.
Kajajuk says:
February 23, 2013 at 6:32 pm
I don’t think I’ll have a chance to play with some of the math, but this is all in the realm of Special Relativity, IIRC. (A good test is the math – if it’s easy, it’s SR, if I don’t understand it it’s GR.)
I learned about the time dilation through the clock which was a photon bouncing between two mirrors and the path it takes. Short as view on the spaceship with the clock, longer from outside because the photon is traveling in a longer zig-zag path. I’m not sure if I can fit that into Vince’s description.
BTW, I think the first measurment of time dilation was in the 1960s when people flew an atomic clock around the world and it came back with a lagged count.
The GPS satellites in their 12 hour orbit make it easy to observe.
Note that a satellite orbiting the Earth is constantly accellerating toward the center of the planet, so acceleration may
still be important.
A false theory can be accepted because scientific facts can be misinterpreted or unnaturally forced to fit a dominant theory. ‘Handbook of Biblical Evidence,’ John Ankerberg & John Weldon
I have a question and sorry if I upset people by asking , so please don’t go “oh my god how stupid is this guy”
So here goes
Light leaves a star, on its travels it gets observed by two “people” but one of those (although both looking from my point exist at the same time) because he is behind a gravity source that “bends” light must see it at a different moment should he not?? I am not sure if I phrased it right but I compared it to 2 boats traveling the same speed going through a bend in a river the one with the straight track must arrive earlier than the one that has to bend?
Shortly after I posted some one referred me to an article that explained some of this, so thanks anyway there is some light at the end of the tunnel just not sure yet who is shining it
Mean while. from the BBC another “we’re all gonna die” scare story” Evidence from Siberian caves suggests that a global temperature rise of 1.5C could see permafrost thaw over a large area of Siberia’.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21549643
REx
Simply not true about Ethiopia. Here is the data in graphic form
http://www.rimfrost.no/
THere has been a slight cooling over the last 50 years
tonyb
Here’s something from the Sunday Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9889882/Wind-farms-will-create-more-carbon-dioxide-say-scientists.html
It’s all to do with Scotland but could just as easily apply to other areas of the world.
James Bull
Vince Causey says:
February 23, 2013 at 1:28 pm
As this is a science blog, I thought I would discuss Einsteins Twin Paradox, but in a way that deals with one of the most common misconceptions.
As you accelerate towards a planet the light from your spaceship will blue shift. So the people on the planet you are travelling to will see you get faster and faster and feinter and feinter until you have blue shifted so much the light coming from your space ship will be in above the visible spectrum and they will not see you coming. As you decelerate you will slowly become visible to them.
Likewise the light from Earth will red shift until it is below the visible spetrum of those on the spaceship.
Not only that as you accelerate your mass will increase and time will slow down for you.
That’s my theory anytway!
Twins Paradox
The paradox assumes that light from the clocks is time but it’s not it’s just a record of an event.
Time is just an illusion. there is only the here and now.
Time is distance. Everywhere you see in the universe is in the past relative to you. So if you travel towards a planet you will be travelling into its future as you are in its past at the moment, and the planet you left will move into your past. Your local time will not change as it is relative to you.
Nullius in Verba says:
Thanks Nullius. I like your description of two people marching in the field. Space-time is a difficult concept, but your analogy does a good job of showing how time can lag behind.
DirkH,
“Goedel was at the same university, Princeton, and as a birthday present he presented Einstein a solution of Einstein’s field equation – the Gödel metrik. It’s a weirdly rotating universe in which some light rays form closed loops, arriving where they started – allowing a form of time travel.”
Yes, I’ve heard that mentioned. I believe in requires a closed universe though. Recent measurements to detect any curvature in the universe have failed to identify any. So that leads to the intriguing conclusion that we live in a flat, open universe which is infinite in extent.
Laurie Bowen,
“Vince Causey: Paradox is the key word . . . just because a clock slows down does not mean that time has slowed down. . . .”
Does it not? Think about it. The clock is just one particular measure of the rate of passing of events – in this case, the flashing of the numbers as they roll by on the clock. It is also the case that every other visible event appears to slow down for the same reason – the beard on the space traveller’s face growing slower, for example. If you can show by deduction that when the twins are brought back together the travellers clock shows a smaller elapsed time, then the travellers body would also show a smaller elapsed time. Therefore, in a real sense, time has slowed.
Also, one of the key tenets of relativity, is that any experiment conducted in any moving reference frame must yield the same result about the laws of physics. If the space traveller could conduct an experiment without looking outside his reference frame, and managed to observe the clock running slower, this would mean the laws of physics had changed within his moving frame. Because the laws of physics cannot be seen to have changed, every event must have slowed down by the same amount – the thought processess in the brain, the beating of a heart, the swinging of a pendulum. Therefore, time itself must be running slower.
Regards
vc
Mainstream Media and TV News is an Infomercial always trying to sell you the idea of Perpetual War. That is their Main Goal. Prove me Wrong!
Kajukuk,
“Kajajuk says:
February 23, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Vince i think you are mixing up the relativity theories;
Special theory of relativity deals with inertial frames of reference
and general theory with accelerating frames. By your reasoning the earth twin will not “see” the traveling twin a long time after he arrives in his twin’s face.”
I beg to differ. Suppose the space traveller was travelling back from a star 10 lyr away, at 1/2C. Let’s also imagine distance markers at convenient spacings. When he passes the halfway mark back to Earth, the Earthbound twin would observe this happening 5 years after the event, at which time the space ship would be 2.5 lyr from Earth. The Earth bound twin would see this event 2.5 years later when the space ship is 1.25 lyr from Earth. 1.25 lyr later he is 0.675lyr from Earth.
When he is very near the Earth, say just passing 1 light second away, the Earth twin would see him 1 second later. One can continue to shorten the distance, and it becomes clear that the time difference approaches zero. This reasoning applies to any approaching body at any speed – the light arrives before the body arrives.
Hope that helps.
manicbeancounter says:
February 23, 2013 at 3:28 pm
“At the “Telegraph” website, an article about Scottish onshore wind farms possibly causing more CO2 emissions than they save over a 25 year lifetime. The reason is that many are built on peat bogs, a huge natural carbon store. The road building required for the wind farms causes the peat bogs to dry out, releasing massive amounts of CO2.”
This is huge! Peat is one of the sacred cows in the UK. Garden companies have all but phased out peat in compost for ethical reasons – environmental groups have made using peat one of the worst sins. They say it takes hundres of years for peat to renew itself. Now, suddenly, Renewables UK (a lobby group for wind energy) have had a change of heart: “Peat can renew itself in just a year,” they say.
Here’s a question: when politicians say that we must limit global warming to 2K, against what baseline is that measured? Is it against freezing pre-industrial times, say 1750, or some recent 30-year period such as 1971-2000 or 1981-2010?
TIA,
Rich.
When one of the twins travels to Alha Centauri, as he approaches light speed, all lengths on Earth contract and the mass of the Earth grows infinitely…
Four approximate observations.
1. The satellite global temperature data rose between December 2012 and January 2013 by about 0.3 C.
2. The NOAA/NCDC data for the same period rose less than 0.2 C.
3. The daily temperature at 600 mbar started falling around Feb 7, and is now around the middle temperature for the 21st century.
4. A SSW event started at the beginning of January.
Is it possible that the SSW caused a transient elevation of temperatures at 600 mbar during January 2013?