No, not that one, this one:
Full disclosure: I’m not a member of the Tea Party, and both of my parents died of tobacco related illnesses. I’ve got no use for it or the people that make money from growing and selling it. But, since Mann brings up the subject, and since its become SOP for the doomers to equate climate skeptics to tobacco issues through ugly smears, I’ll let Donna Laframboise explain. She writes today:
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On the campaign trail back in 1988, Gore couldn’t boast loudly enough about the central role tobacco has played in his life:
Throughout most of my life, I’ve raised tobacco…I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I’ve hoed it. I’ve chopped it. I’ve shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it. [bold added]
And let us not forget the World Wildlife Fund’s tobacco connections. The 2011 book, Saving the World’s Wildlife: WWF – the first 50 years was written with the cooperation of WWF officials. It says this organization extended a warm welcome to South African corporations during the apartheid era. According to page 120:
WWF-South Africa was in many ways a special branch of the [WWF]. Instead of appealing to the general public it derived its income from corporate members. Seventy-two companies joined within a year thanks to Anton Rupert’s active canvassing among the South African business community.
Rupert was one of the founders of the WWF and one of the richest men in the world. Where did his fortune come from? Tobacco. An obituary explains:
Calculating that there would always be a great demand for tobacco, regardless of what happened in the world, he developed a cigarette-making company named Voorbrand, soon to be renamed Rembrandt Ltd, whose overseas tobacco interests were eventually consolidated in Rothmans.
The WWF is the largest and wealthiest green lobby group on the planet. One of its founders was a tobacco baron.
Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for his climate change activism. He has been intimately linked to tobacco for most of his life.
Will Professor Glantz be writing a paper about these facts? Will he be declaring, in a press release, that both Al Gore and the WWF have “longstanding ties to tobacco companies”?
Read her whole post here: http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/02/11/about-those-tobacco-connections/
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“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
The Taxed Enough Already party, much like the ‘skeptics’ who rationally abjure the man made global warming hypothesis, has arrived at a point somewhere in the then they ridicule and fight you range of opposition attacks.
You can hear the acerbic vitriol aimed at the T.E.A. party groups on many mainstream media outlets, from democrats, republicans, greens, and socialists, as well as in some of the comments above. They have noted the successes of T.E.A. party backed conservative candidates in local and state elections over the past 6 years and perceive a real threat to the status quo. Their very real perception of threat from the T.E.A. party groups comes from the primary principle of Fiscal Discipline. Many of their wasteful, ineffective programs will be sent deservedly to the ash heaps of history, when tax payer dollars are focused on priority needs and debt reduction.
“….And then you win.”
MtK
Now that’s funny right there! Oh, you’re serious. Well you have absolutely no clue about what you are talking about, I know because I was at a few (huge!) rallies. I know what we were doing there and what 99% of us want. There was more respect and reverence for our brilliant founders at those rallies than anywhere else ever seen, particularly when compared to the average (R) and (D) conventions. The photos are all over the place, do your homework before putting your foot in your mouth.
And the (R)epublicrats cannot take the party back from TEA partiers because it is not in their hands at all. (R)epublicrats control the (R) party, always did and probably always will. They did even during the Reagan years, and except for a short time in the 104th Congress has always been (R)epublicrat control.
Next thing you’re gonna tell us is that Eisenhower, Nixon, Agnew, Ford, Rockefeller, Bush, McCain, Romney, ad nauseum were all Conservatives. The (R)epublicrats are merely watered-down (D)emocratic-Socialists and the lesser of two evils. Your salvation, will not be found there.
I still see no credible arguments against an organization that promotes fiscal responsibility. Plenty of strawman arguments, though.
RockyRoad says:
February 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm
” No, the individuals you mention are ANYTHING but “establishment republicans”.”
No. Ron Paul republicans are Old-School Republicans, not Neo-Conservatives, infiltrating and taking back our republican party. You have to work within the two party system because of the laws in place, or you can never win.
JohnMac says:
Also have a look at the good work Anton Rupert (Rembrandt) did in his Peace Parks. Transfrontier parks projects.
Does two wrongs make a right? Anybody who’s associated with Big Tobacco, now or then, are disingenuous. Right, left, pro, skeptic. Doesnt matter. Less greed more facts, please.
DavidG says:
February 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm
“Fiscal sanity? Do you know any history? It’s better to have an economy that runs rather than one stuck in park. Do you think these idiots of the TP could solve any real problems?! Don’t make me laugh. If I was president I’d print money and start a 20 year energy Manhattan style project. You want to make progress it takes money.”
One could say a lot of stuff about that but I’ll just say yes, to make progress you must
a) spend money
b) spend it on something that has a chance of delivering a return on investment.
All governments are very good in a) and very bad in b).
The money that Obama currently spends and prints will with absolute certainty deliver a negative return on investment. You are headed for another default and devaluation.
To RockyRoad:
You wrote in part: “If we gather anything from history, it’s the fact that once a country’s debt has reached somewhere between 90 to 100% of its GDP, the economy collapses.”
Bzzt. Wrong. Japan’s debt-to-GDP ratio reached this level years ago, and is now over
200% and the economy has not collapsed. What is correct is that above the level you
cite, huge borrowing by the government distorts the economy so badly that economic
growth is poor and a robust economy is impossible. While serious, that still doesn’t equate
to an economic “collapse”.
I am not a member, but like the TEA party I believe that I am Taxed Enough Already. So now whenever I hear the TEA party mentioned I automatically think of Taxed Enough Already.
Therefore guess what I thought of when Wayne Swann mentioned the TEA party in his last lecture… I thought wow! Wayne wants more tax out of me and he is actually telling everyone that Abbot wants less to tax us less. No wonder everyone I know calls him a goose!