No, not that one, this one:
Full disclosure: I’m not a member of the Tea Party, and both of my parents died of tobacco related illnesses. I’ve got no use for it or the people that make money from growing and selling it. But, since Mann brings up the subject, and since its become SOP for the doomers to equate climate skeptics to tobacco issues through ugly smears, I’ll let Donna Laframboise explain. She writes today:
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On the campaign trail back in 1988, Gore couldn’t boast loudly enough about the central role tobacco has played in his life:
Throughout most of my life, I’ve raised tobacco…I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I’ve hoed it. I’ve chopped it. I’ve shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it. [bold added]
And let us not forget the World Wildlife Fund’s tobacco connections. The 2011 book, Saving the World’s Wildlife: WWF – the first 50 years was written with the cooperation of WWF officials. It says this organization extended a warm welcome to South African corporations during the apartheid era. According to page 120:
WWF-South Africa was in many ways a special branch of the [WWF]. Instead of appealing to the general public it derived its income from corporate members. Seventy-two companies joined within a year thanks to Anton Rupert’s active canvassing among the South African business community.
Rupert was one of the founders of the WWF and one of the richest men in the world. Where did his fortune come from? Tobacco. An obituary explains:
Calculating that there would always be a great demand for tobacco, regardless of what happened in the world, he developed a cigarette-making company named Voorbrand, soon to be renamed Rembrandt Ltd, whose overseas tobacco interests were eventually consolidated in Rothmans.
The WWF is the largest and wealthiest green lobby group on the planet. One of its founders was a tobacco baron.
Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize for his climate change activism. He has been intimately linked to tobacco for most of his life.
Will Professor Glantz be writing a paper about these facts? Will he be declaring, in a press release, that both Al Gore and the WWF have “longstanding ties to tobacco companies”?
Read her whole post here: http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/02/11/about-those-tobacco-connections/
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It shouldn’t. If the ‘climate argument’ were simply about ‘climate’. As one can plainly see, for Mikey ‘the cause’ Mann (and his chums), ‘climate’ is simply a means to an end. Were global temperatures to plummet over the next few years then they would have to find a new ‘ice breaker’ to lead the good fleet ’cause’.
The Tea Party was created by average American people with a decentralized grassroots presidential campaign movement started in 2007 for the 2008 Ron Paul candidate. The totally un-funded/self funded movement through mainly the internet, organized themselves through Meetup groups and many internet web sites to raised money from hundreds of thousands of small individual donations, and campaign for a Dr Ron Paul win. The “Tea Party” moniker was born out of a major fund raising day based on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party on December 16, 2007.
After the loss to McCain and Obama, the status quo establishment republicans co-opted and astroturffed the grass roots movement by Dick Army, Freedom Works, FOX News, and Glenn Beck in order to control the message and steer it back toward the establishment talking points. The original Ron Paul Liberty movement has since completely removed itself from any association with the co-opted Tea Party. We continued the grassroots Liberty movement in the 2011-2012 Ron Paul Presidential campaign with much greater success, however the loss of the big prize. The most important thing we had to accomplish was the spreading of the message of real Freedom and Liberty, and we did, even though the establishment corporate propaganda mainstream media fought us every steep of the way.
Boston Tea Party World Record Attempt for Ron Paul
Sniff, sniff. I smell tobacco investments from some of the Warmists at the BBC.
In BOLD are tobacco companies.
BBC Pensions – “Top equity investments at 31 March 2012″
Investment Holding £m
British American Tobacco
BG Group [gas]
BP
Royal Dutch Shell
Imperial Tobacco
Reynolds American
Oao Gazprom [gas]
Total SA [oil]
Occidental [oil & gas]
Philip Morris International
Source BBC Pensions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mypension/aboutthescheme/topinvestments.html
Desmog, the creation of Jim Hoggan, Chairman of the Suzuki Foundation, architect of BC Hydro’s $500million -cost to date- Power Smart marketing campaign…
On the subject of those who make money from growing or sellling tobacco. That would include Al Gore.
The old saw about 3 fingers, fingering yourself, when you point at others has never been so true,as to the CAGW team.
I suspect any charge made by these scammers will turn out to be true. Of them.
Their attack have turned out to be pure projections. They are guilty of the accusations they have made against others, the CRU emails being a shameful example, the SS exposure of the pathetic plotting and the Mann and his funding issues.
So using the famous UN IPCC precautionary principle, I will now insist that each accusation of dishonesty, criminal intent and malice toward life, made by the team; Is actually an admission of guilt. No need for a trial, evidence or lawful judgement, they be guilty by their own admission, bring out the stocks.
Pathway says:
February 11, 2013 at 11:12 am
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During one of his campaign stops, Big Al talked about pushing a plow while walking behind to mules. He made a comment about how hard going up and down those hills was.
Real farmers know that you don’t plow “up and down” the hills. You plow around the hill, following the contours of the land.
A.D. Everard says:
“Everything the alarmists label skeptics with, they do themselves. It’s right across the board. You’d think they would notice.”
John Robertson says the same thing.
I’ve often commented that if it were not for psychological projection [imputing one’s own faults onto others], the alarmist crowd wouldn’t have much to say. Just about everything they say is a lie — but it would be the truth if they said it about themselves.
michaelwiseguy says:
February 11, 2013 at 12:29 pm
No, the individuals you mention are ANYTHING but “establishment republicans”. Had you listed politicians and their cronies like McCain, Graham, Rove, Romney, Cristie, Pawlenty and the like, you’d be correct. And I don’t consider Ron Paul to be a Republican; he’s a RINO but only to hide his Libertarian ideology, which is still going strong in the TEA Party.
And I’m sure that any minute now the Smoggies will be tweeting (and Mann dutifully retweeting) the fact that Mann’s very own Legal Counsel (in his frivolous libel suit vs Steyn):
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/23/yay-mike-mann-took-the-bait-intends-to-file-lawsuit-against-steyn-and-nro/
Al Gore on tobacco:
said in 2011:
and we have this:
Does Al Gore, the Qatar oil cash receiving hypocrite, think of himself as “evil, evil, evil” having sold tobacco and received campaign funding from evil tobacco?
Mpaul says:
February 11, 2013 at 12:17 pm
“Sometimes I tend to gives these guys more credit for intelligence than they deserve, but something that politicians do these days is to take stock if their vulnerabilities and then accuse the opponent of these things before they can accuse you.”
Nothing to do with intelligence, they learn it in PolSci.
Lenin: “Accuse your enemy of being what you are, of doing what you are doing.”
Pull My Finger,
Since when has the left ever cared about marital infidelity? It didn’t seem to cause Bill Clinton any political problems.
More tobacco hypocrisy.
How the T.E.A. Party became included in this defamation broadside I’m still not sure! That said, there are probably folks out there that do not really know what the T.E.A. Party stands for. Here is a bit of background.
T.E.A. stands for Taxed Enough Already! It is not a political ‘party’ like the Democrats and Republicans. It is a wholly grass roots politically conservative collection of hundreds of small groups all across the USA dedicated to electing candidates at all levels of government that embrace the following:
1) Fiscal Discipline – Balance the federal and state budgets and pay down the $16.4 Trillion dollar national debt.
2) Constitutionally Limited Government – If it isn’t enumerated in the Constitution and Amendments, the federal government should have no regulatory or taxation authority over it. All functions and rights not described and limited in the federal Constitution and Amendments devolve to the individual States and their governments to decide and resolve.
3) Free Markets – Free markets provide the most efficient allocation of resources, goods, and service. Free enterprise is the economic standard for any freedom loving society.
That’s it. Fiscal Discipline. Constitutionally Limited Government. Free Markets.
MtK
Looks like Al and the WWF are the ones hiding the evidence again.
They knew they were lying and they knew they were killing people.
The CAGW lie will kill people, too but they don’t care.
Just like selling their tobacco they know what they’re doing and they don’t care.
I believe Al has a minor background with big oil as does the WWF.
cn
Stanton Glantz, acting as the poster-boy for “presentism” (anachronistic fallacy) which is a ‘mode’ of historical analysis wherein present-day ideas and perspectives are anachronistically (in other than proper chronological or historical order) introduced into perspectives and interpretations of the past.
As in, smoking used to be cool, and now it’s not, but, he ‘projects’ that we ‘knew’ all this “back then” in a time when human ‘struggles’ were *more* than just a little pronounced AND lifetimes overall were shorter due to a variety of *other* factors …
Large parts of the world’s population STILL to this day ‘struggle’ for existence and resulting short lifetimes, and smoking is both a diversion and relief.
One might be prone to think that Stanton Glantz has too much ‘free time’ on his hands, or is trying assuage his own guilt for some reason …
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Al Gore is not new to taking “dirty” oil money. He inhereted lots of stock in occidental that got special help from Gore’s father who was involved in questionable oil deals..
http://www.democracynow.org/2000/1/21/gore_attacked_over_ties_to_occidental
“…, but Gore’s connections to Occidental sprang to the headlines this week when the Financial Times carried a story about environmentalists’ request to the Vice President that he call for Occidental to abandon their drilling plans in Colombia. Gore owns up to half a million dollars of the company’s stock.”
“And Gore is also facing heat for his involvement in the sale by the Clinton administration of thousands of acres of oil-rich, publicly owned land to Occidental in 1997. The area is known as Elk Hills and it is located in Bakersfield, California. It is known as an ancestral land for Native American communities.”
“Two prior Republican presidents–Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan–had attempted to put Elk Hills on the auction block, but backed down in the face of widespread opposition. It was President Clinton, under the advice of Vice President Gore, who approved a deal to let oil companies buy some of the reserves, pushing a bill through Congress that made it possible to sell the government’s interest in the 47,000 acre Elk Hills reserve to Occidental Petroleum for $3.65 billion. It was the largest privatization of federal land in the country’s history, and it tripled Occidental’s reserves overnight.”
Does the UN like big tobacco money? You decide.
Mann is a sewer and what passes through him is sewage.
There is a perverse irony in someone whose grandfather was a Russian immigrant given refuge in the free and democratic United States, trying to silence those who question his beliefs by way of vindictive labeling and political propaganda.
Rocky Road- The so-called Tea Party, who stole the honorable name of Americans who did something incredible and kept their mouths shut for their whole lives, is nothing but a joke. How dare they even try to compare themselves to those 120 brave men?! The best chance and only chance for the US to have any kind of democracy is for Republicans to take back their party from these morons. The WWF has roots in the Nazi Party- look it up. Maybe it;s time to take these non profits and cancel their tax exemptions for producing anti American and anti human propaganda!
DavidG,
Mac the Knife makes a good case. How can anyone argue with the goals of grassroots organizing for fiscal sanity — unless they want to sow dissension?
The so-called Tea Party- small minded wing nuts who stole the name of approximately 120 of the greatest patriots this country ever had is a joke Rocky Road! It’s time for real republicans to take back their party from these people or we will be stuck with one party. It’s also time to take away non profit status from the WWF with its nazi background and the rest of these propagandist twerps. Let them function on their own dimes.
Fiscal sanity? Do you know any history? It’s better to have an economy that runs rather than one stuck in park. Do you think these idiots of the TP could solve any real problems?! Don’t make me laugh. If I was president I’d print money and start a 20 year energy Manhattan style project. You want to make progress it takes money. Let’s not hear about the Republicans and their fiscal sanity, which they trot out only when others overspend. When they overspend as they always do, they just blame others.
D.B., of course, there has sprung up an entire ‘industry’ sector for social workers (my parents’ term for them), community organizers, and the cadre of activists that exist in a ‘remedial atmosphere’ which government programs have been created to ‘solve’ (e.g. ‘the war on poverty’ et al) … to oppose any ‘cuts’, in any way (including rates of ‘increase’) to these programs, against an established ‘baseline budgeting’ norm (with planned yearly increases) results in the awakening of these zombies.
For you see, D. B., they are quite literally fighting for their financial livelihood; the very ‘atmosphere’ in which they live and breathe …
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