Global Warming: Anthropogenic or Not?

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AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW FROM DOWN UNDER

Professor Robert (Bob) Carter

Geologist & environmental scientist

Katharine Hayhoe, PhD, who wrote the December AITSE piece “Climate Change: Anthropogenic or Not?”, is an atmospheric scientist and director of the Climate Science Center at Texas Tech University. She is senior author of the book “A Climate for Change: Global Warming Facts for Faith-Based Decisions”.

I am a senior research geologist who has published more than 100 peer-reviewed papers on palaeo-environmental and palaeo-climatic topics and also author of the book, “Climate: the Counter Consensus”.

Quite clearly, Dr. Hayhoe and I are both credible professional scientists. Given our training and research specializations, we are therefore competent to assess the evidence regarding the dangerous global warming that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) alleges is being caused by industrial carbon dioxide emissions.

Yet at the end of her article Dr. Hayhoe recommends for further reading the websites RealClimate.org and SkepticalScience.com, whereas here at the outset of writing my own article I recommend the websites wattsupwiththat.com and www.thegwpf.org (Global Warming Policy Foundation). To knowledgeable readers, this immediately signals that Dr. Hayhoe and I have diametrically opposing views on the global warming issue.

The general public finds it very hard to understand how such strong disagreement can exist between two equally qualified persons on a scientific topic, a disagreement that is manifest also on the wider scene by the existence of equivalent groups of scientists who either support or oppose the views of the IPCC about dangerous anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming (DAGW).

In this article I shall try to summarize what the essential disagreement is between these two groups of scientists, and show how it has come to be misrepresented in the public domain.

Common ground amongst DAGW protagonists

Though you wouldn’t know it from the antagonistic nature of public discussions about global warming, a large measure of scientific agreement and shared interpretation exists amongst nearly all scientists who consider the issue. The common ground, much of which was traversed by Dr. Hayhoe in her article, includes:

· that climate has always changed and always will,

· that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and warms the lower atmosphere,

· that human emissions are accumulating in the atmosphere,

· that a global warming of around 0.5OC occurred in the 20th century, but

· that global warming has ceased over the last 15 years.

The scientific argument over DAGW is therefore about none of these things. Rather, it is almost entirely about three other, albeit related, issues. They are:

· the amount of net warming that is, or will be, produced by human-related emissions,

· whether any actual evidence exists for dangerous warming of human causation over the last 50 years, and

· whether the IPCC’s computer models can provide accurate climate predictions 100 years into the future.

Dr. Hayhoe’s answers to those questions would probably be along the line of: substantial, lots and yes. My answers would be: insignificant, none and no.

What can possibly explain such disparate responses to a largely agreed set of factual climate data?

How does science work?

Arguments about global warming, or more generally about climate change, are concerned with a scientific matter. Science deals with facts, experiments and numerical representations of the natural world around us. Science does not deal with emotions, beliefs or politics, but rather strives to analyse matters dispassionately and in an objective way, such that in consideration of a given set of facts two different practitioners might come to the same interpretation; and, yes, I am aware of the irony of that statement in the present context.

Which brings us to the matter of Occam’s Razor and the null hypothesis. William of Occam (1285-1347) was an English Franciscan monk and philosopher to whom is attributed the saying ‘Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate’, which translates as ‘Plurality should not be posited without necessity.’ This is a succinct statement of the principle of simplicity, or parsimony, that was first developed by Aristotle and which has today come to underlie all scientific endeavour.

The phrase ‘Occam’s Razor’ is now generally used as shorthand to represent the fundamental scientific assumption of simplicity. To explain any given set of observations of the natural world, scientific method proceeds by erecting, first, the simplest possible explanation (hypothesis) that can explain the known facts. This simple explanation, termed the null hypothesis, then becomes the assumed interpretation until additional facts emerge that require modification of the initial hypothesis, or perhaps even invalidate it altogether.

Given the great natural variability exhibited by climate records, and the failure to date to compartmentalize or identify a human signal within them, the proper null hypothesis – because it is the simplest consistent with the known facts – is that global climate changes are presumed to be natural, unless and until specific evidence is forthcoming for human causation.

It is one of the more extraordinary facts about the IPCC that the research studies it favours mostly proceed using an (unjustified) inversion of the null hypothesis  – namely that global climate changes are presumed to be due to human-related carbon dioxide emissions, unless and until specific evidence indicates otherwise.

What hypothesis do we wish to test?

Though climate science overall is complex, the greenhouse hypothesis itself is straightforward and it is relatively simple to test it, or its implications, against the available data. First, though, we need to be crystal clear about precisely what we mean by the term.

In general communication, and in the media, the terms greenhouse and greenhouse hypothesis have come to carry a particular vernacular meaning – almost independently of their scientific derivation. When an opinion poll or a reporter solicits information on what members of the public think about the issue they ask questions such as “do you believe in global warming”, “do you believe in climate change” or “do you believe in the greenhouse effect”.

Leaving aside the issue that science is never about belief, all such questions are actually coded ones, being understood by the public to mean “is dangerous global warming being caused by human-related emissions of carbon dioxide”. Needless to say, this is a different, albeit related, question. These and other sloppy ambiguities (“carbon” for “carbon dioxide”, for example) are in daily use in the media, and they lead to great confusion in the public discussion about climate change; they also undermine the value of nearly all opinion poll results.

The DAGW hypothesis that I want to test here is precisely and only “that dangerous global warming is being caused, or will be, by human-related carbon dioxide emissions”. To be “dangerous”, at a minimum the change must exceed the magnitude or rate of warmings that are known to be associated with normal weather and climatic variability.

What evidence can we use to test the DAGW hypothesis?

Many different lines of evidence can be used to test the DAGW hypothesis. Here I have space to present just five, all of which are based upon real world empirical data. For more information, please read both Dr. Hayhoe’s and my book.

Consider the following tests:

(i)     Over the last 16 years, global average temperature, as measured by both thermometers and satellite sensors, has displayed no statistically significant warming; over the same period, atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased by 10%.

Large increases in carbon dioxide have therefore not only failed to produce dangerous warming, but failed to produce any warming at all. Hypothesis fails.

(ii)   During the 20th century, a global warming of between 0.4O C and 0.7O C occurred, at a maximum rate, in the early decades of the century, of about 1.7O C/century. In comparison, our best regional climate records show that over the last 10,000 years natural climate cycling has resulted in temperature highs up to at least 1O C warmer than today, at rates of warming up to  2.5O C/century.

In other words, both the rate and magnitude of 20th century warming falls well within the envelope of natural climate change. Hypothesis fails, twice.

(iii)  If global temperature is controlled primarily by atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, then changes in carbon dioxide should precede parallel changes in temperature.

In fact, the opposite relationship applies at all time scales. Temperature change precedes carbon dioxide change by about 5 months during the annual seasonal cycle, and by about 700-1000 years during ice age climatic cycling. Hypothesis fails.

(iv)  The IPCC’s computer general circulation models, which factor in the effect of increasing carbon dioxide, project that global warming should be occurring at a rate of +2.0O C/century.

In fact, no warming at all has occurred in either the atmosphere or the ocean for more than the last decade. The models are clearly faulty, and allocate too great a warming effect for the extra carbon dioxide (technically, they are said to overestimate the climate sensitivity). Hypothesis fails.

(v)    The same computer models predict that a fingerprint of greenhouse-gas-induced warming will be the creation of an atmospheric hot spot at heights of 8-10 km in equatorial regions, and enhanced warming also near both poles.

Given that we already know that the models are faulty, it shouldn’t surprise us to discover that direct measurements by both weather balloon radiosondes and satellite sensors show the absence of surface warming in Antarctica, and a complete absence of the predicted low latitude atmospheric hot spot. Hypothesis fails, twice.

One of the 20th century’s greatest physicists, Richard Feynman, observed about science that:

In general we look for a new law by the following process. First we guess it. Then we compute the consequences of the guess to see what would be implied if this law that we guessed is right. Then we compare the result of the computation to nature, with experiment or experience; compare it directly with observation, to see if it works.

It’s that simple statement that is the key to science. It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is. It does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong.

None of the five tests above supports or agrees with the predictions implicit in the greenhouse hypothesis as stated above. Richard Feynman is correct to advise us that therefore the hypothesis is invalid, and that many times over.

Summary

The current scientific reality is that the IPCC’s hypothesis of dangerous global warming has been repeatedly tested, and fails. Despite the expenditure of large sums of money over the last 25 years (more than $100 billion),  and great research effort by IPCC-related and other (independent) scientists, to date no scientific study has established a certain link between changes in any significant environmental parameter and human-caused carbon dioxide emissions.

In contrast, the null hypothesis that the global climatic changes that we have observed over the last 150 years (and continue to observe today) are natural in origin has yet to be disproven. As summarised by an seo consultant in the reports of the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), literally thousands of papers published in refereed journals contain facts or writings consistent with the null hypothesis, and plausible natural explanations exist for all the post-1850 global climatic changes that have been described so far.

Why is this conclusion not generally understood?

I commented earlier that science is not about emotion or politics, despite which it is uncomfortably true also that public discussion of the global warming issue is conducted far more in accordance with those criteria than it is about science. As discussed at more length in my book, there are three prime reasons for this.

First, as a branch of the United Nations, the IPCC is itself an intensely political and not a scientific body. To boot, the IPCC charter requires that it investigate not climate change in the round, but solely global warming caused by human greenhouse emissions.

Second, from local green activist groups up to behemoth NGOs like Greenpeace and WWF, over the last 20 years the environmental movement has espoused saving the planet from global warming as its leit motif. This has had two devastating results. One is that radical environmentalists have worked relentlessly to sow misinformation about global warming in both the public domain and the education system. And the other is that, faced with this widespread propagandization of public opinion and young persons, and by also by strong lobbying from powerful self-interested groups like government research scientists, alternative energy providers and financial marketeers, politicians have had no choice but to fall into line. Whatever their primary political philosophy, all active politicians are daily mindful of the need to assuage the green intimidation and bullying to which they and their constituents are incessantly subjected.

Third, and probably most influential of all, with very few exceptions major media outlets have provided unceasing support for measures to “stop global warming”. This behaviour appears to be driven by a combination of the liberal and green personal beliefs of most reporters, and the commercial nouse of experienced editors who understand that alarmist environmental reporting sells both product and advertising space.

But given that the science remains uncertain, shouldn’t we give earth the benefit of the doubt?

This famous slogan (and note its deliberately emotive phrasing) is attributed to News Corporation’s Rupert Murdoch; it bears all the hallmarks of having been produced by a green focus group or advertising agency. The catchy phrase also reveals a profound misunderstanding of the real climatic risks faced by our societies, because it assumes that global warming is more dangerous, or more to be feared, than is global cooling; in reality, the converse is likely to be true.

It must be recognized that the theoretical hazard of dangerous human-caused global warming is but one small part of a much wider climate hazard that all scientists agree upon, which is the dangerous natural weather and climatic events that Nature intermittently presents us with – and always will. It is absolutely clear from, for example, the 2005 Hurricane Katrina and 2012 Hurricane Sandy disasters in the US, the 2007 floods in the United Kingdom and the tragic bushfires in Australia in 2003 (Canberra), 2009 (Victoria) and in January this year (widespread), that the governments of even advanced, wealthy countries are often inadequately prepared for climate-related disasters of natural origin.

We need to do better, and squandering money to give earth the benefit of the doubt based upon an unjustifiable assumption that dangerous warming will shortly resume is exactly the wrong type of “picking winners” approach.

Because many scientists, including leading solar physicists, currently argue that the position that the Earth currently occupies in the solar cycle implies that the most likely climatic trend over the next several decades is one of significant cooling rather than warming.  Meanwhile, the IPCC’s computer modellers assure us with all the authority at their command that global warming will shortly resume – just you wait and see.

The reality is, then, that no scientist on the planet can tell you with credible probability whether the climate in 2030 will be cooler or warmer than today. In such circumstances the only rational conclusion to draw is that we need to be prepared to react to either warming or cooling over the next several decades, depending upon what Nature chooses to serve up to us.

What is the best way forward?

Given that we cannot predict what future climate will be, do we still need national climate policies at all?

Indeed we do, for a primary government duty of care is to protect the citizenry and the environment from the ravages of natural climatic events. What is needed is not unnecessary and penal measures against carbon dioxide emissions, but instead a prudent and cost-effective policy of preparation for, and response to, all climatic events and hazards as and when they develop.

As Ronald Brunner and Amanda Lynch have argued in their recent book, Adaptive Governance and Climate Change, and many other scientists have supported too:

We need to use adaptive governance to produce response programs that cope with hazardous climate events as they happen, and that encourage diversity and innovation in the search for solutions. In such a fashion, the highly contentious ‘global warming’ problem can be recast into an issue in which every culture and community around the world has an inherent interest.

Climate hazard is both a geological and meteorological issue. Geological hazards are mostly dealt with by providing civil defense authorities and the public with accurate, evidence-based information regarding events such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, storms and floods (which represent climatic as well as weather events), and by mitigating and adapting to the effects when an event occurs.

New Zealand’s GeoNet natural hazard network is a world-best-practice example of how to proceed. GeoNet is New Zealand’s national natural hazard monitoring agency. GeoNet operates networks of geophysical instruments to detect, analyse and respond to earthquakes, volcanic activity, landslides and tsunami. The additional risk of longer-term climate change, which GeoNet currently doesn’t cover, differs from most other natural hazards only in that it occurs over periods of decades to hundreds or thousands of years. This difference is not one of kind, and neither should be our response planning.

The appropriate response to climate hazard, then, is national policies based on preparing for and adapting to all climate events as and when they happen, and irrespective of their presumed cause. Every country needs to develop its own understanding of, and plans to cope with, the unique combination of climate hazards that apply within its boundaries. The planned responses should be based upon adaptation, with mitigation where appropriate to cushion citizens who are affected in an undesirable way.

The idea that there can be a one-size-fits-all global solution to deal with just one possible aspect of future climate change, as recommended by the IPCC and favoured by green activists and most media commentators, fails entirely to deal with the real climate and climate-related hazards to which we are all exposed every day.

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Robert (Bob) Carter is a marine geologist and environmental scientist with more than 40 years professional experience who has held academic positions at the University of Otago (Dunedin) and James Cook University (Townsville), where he was Professor and Head of School of Earth Sciences between 1981 and 1999. His career has included periods as a Commonwealth Scholar (Cambridge University), a Nuffield Fellow (Oxford University) and an Australian Research Council Special Investigator. Bob has acted as an expert witness on climate change before the U.S. Senate Committee of Environment & Public Works, the Australian and N.Z. parliamentary Select Committees into emissions trading, and was a primary science witness in the U.K. High Court case of Dimmock v. H.M.’s Secretary of State for Education, the 2007 judgement from which identified nine major scientific errors in Mr Al Gore’s film “An Inconvenient Truth“. Carter is author of the book, Climate: the Counter Consensus (2010, Stacey International Ltd., London).

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February 4, 2013 10:35 am

Just watching the Belgian news here.
Apparently they closed both nuclear plants in July last year there due to SAFETY related issues. The day’s news was that they won’t come back on line until at least end of march 2013. But even on that date they were not too sure.
I am sure you guys there all have ZERO concern about SAFETY with regards to ur nuclear plants.
However, I am just noting those people/employees in progressive countries who express real doubts….
I figure USA not as a specific progressive country where employees have much of any say (thinking of the Simpsons…..)

February 5, 2013 1:15 am

Obviously then Henry, you don’t drive a car because many thousands of people get injured or killed all around the world. Or is it that you don’t have any concerns about safety. Imagine that all those progressive countries let people risk their lives on a daily basis.
You’re one of those who doesn’t have the comprehension level to understand how many lives are made better through the benefits that come about through the use of affordable and abundant energy.
Your sarcastic rants show you to be quite simple minded.

February 5, 2013 5:39 am

Mario Lento says
Obviously then Henry, you don’t drive a car because many thousands of people get injured or killed all around the world
Henry says
I am neither ranting nor raving nor am I being sarcastic. The reason why the Simpsons are so popular everywhere in the world is because there are many, many people, like him, all over the world, who prefer to look the other way if it is to keep their jobs secure.
We cannot have an accident in a nuclear plant, that is the point I am trying to make. It has to be fool- and full proof. Yet, in spite of what you say, here is a whole list of accidents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civilian_nuclear_accidents
So, who is the one who is simpleminded?

richardscourtney
February 5, 2013 6:31 am

HenryP:
Everything has risks and everything has costs. At issue is whether the costs and risks are sufficient to outweigh the benefits of any technology.
This discussion began when you (at February 2, 2013 at 5:15 am) said you prefer shale gas to nuclear.
At February 5, 2013 at 5:39 am you have now claimed there have been nuclear “accidents” and you have linked to a piece on Wicki which describes them.
Please look up how many deaths and injuries have resulted from
(a) the nuclear power industry
and
(b) the natural gas industry.
You are being one-sided in the extreme. Nuclear power is very safe. It is safer than the gas industry which you prefer. And the gas industry is very safe, too.
Richard

February 5, 2013 9:59 pm

Richard
you say
Please look up how many deaths and injuries have resulted from
(a) the nuclear power industry
and
(b) the natural gas industry.
Henry says
a)how much bigger is the gas industry compared to the nuclear energy industry?
b)the amount of people affected by nuclear fall out cannot be estimated in terms of actual tumors and cancers, misformed babies, and other human suffering (e.g. loss of habitat) , etc.so therefore the estimate of deaths and injuries to determine which is the safest energy source is your academic exercise, not mine. Counting the deaths in Chinese coal mines makes that industry probably the least safe. However, I know that we simply cannot compare human suffering like this on any fair scale.
This is not a discussion. This is debate. A debate differs from a discussion in that there is no reconciliation possible between two differing points of view. You may well be right that I am compelled to take an emotional approach to human suffering and also that I will never forget the nature of people to try and hide things if their jobs are on the line. For example, we had the use of asbestos going on for so long, whilst, in hind sight, the powers-that-be (governments!) already knew that it was causing (lung) cancer.
You win this debate on points because I was not able to convince the others on this blog. Congratulations. You are a great debater.

February 5, 2013 11:41 pm

@Henry: In the entire list in your link. 3 people died and they died from mistakes a long time ago that were human caused mistakes. 3 people! More people died from choking on food, falling down while walking, or almost anything else one can imagine.
You proved my point, that nuclear is amazingly safe. And I thought you were useless.
Do you know how many people died from poisonous materials making solar panels? Arsenic, cadmium telluride, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride… and do you know how much toxic waste the Semiconductor industries have poured into the environment? Tons, literally tons.
And you don’t hear me harping on getting rid of the semiconductor process, no. Everything in life has some risks. Driving a car, walking, reaching over ones head to pick up hard and heavy obejects… We just do our part and make things safer over time. Nuclear is probably safer than any other form of energy. You would not know that because your head is in the sand. And you proved it time and time again.
Now go take a chill and stop making a fool of yourself publicly.

February 5, 2013 11:44 pm

HenryP: A lack of energy leads to human suffering. And you are so afraid of the benefits, that people like you cause horrible poverty by not being able to under risk to benefit. Nuclear energy in the US is LOW risk high benefit.

February 5, 2013 11:50 pm

@richardscourtney: You wrote, “You are being one-sided in the extreme. Nuclear power is very safe. It is safer than the gas industry which you prefer. And the gas industry is very safe, too.”
Wonderful point. Yes – you point out the great silliness of HenryP. He will, however, refuse to see that he prefers anything less safe than nuclear because he is afraid… afraid because people indoctrinated him into feeling that way. HenryP has become a useful mouthpiece… and less intelligent people will follow him. Sorry HenryP, you are a nice fellow, really, you just insert yourself without the benefit of fact, knowledge or understanding of what you’re even saying.
That’s what happens when you try to spread thoughts that are don’t come from your own head. There is no way to defend yourself, other than go back to sources and then parrot other people’s beliefs. So, try forming your own thoughts, and learn from reason. OK?

February 6, 2013 12:20 am

Mario Lento says
in the entire list in your link. 3 people died and they died from mistakes a long time ago that were human caused mistakes. 3 people!
Henry says
That is the problem. They all died later, usually of “natural” causes (read cancer)
[The 300 people that were involved in the encapsulation of Chernobyl, have all since died.]
Obviously where you and I differ is the trust in human nature. I don’t trust nuclear energy from its very beginning (manufacture) , transport (where is the missing fuel?), use (incidents, accidents) , handling of waste etc. etc. There are too many things that can go wrong. We have the same with other energy sources but the human suffering with nuclear problems will only show up much later and are often disguised by the relevant authorities to minimize claims..
Anyway. Like I say. I respect your opinion to say that it is safe.
I expect you to respect my opinion to say that it is not safe.

rgbatduke
February 6, 2013 8:00 am

For the record, I live 20 miles from a Gen II reactor which supplies our region with power. I have zero concern.
25 miles here (Shearon-Harris). I don’t have “zero” concern, because Shearon-Harris has a large spent-fuel cooling facility that is probably more dangerous than the reactor. But I don’t lose a lot of sleep over it.
HenryP, your “praying for everybody” is very revealing. How, exactly, do you think this action is going to influence the natural course of events? If you believe in prayer-mediated supernatural intervention, why not pray for somebody who really needs it, like the several billion people who live in abject poverty or the millions of children who are slowly starving and suffering from malnutrition and disease, whose lives are nearly hopeless? Your prayers almost certainly won’t have any effect there either, as there is evidence that prayer does not affect outcomes in any measurable way, but at least that would make some sort of ethical sense.
Personally, I wish people would get off of their butts and start prototyping LFTR reactors — we have a medium sized mountain’s worth of Thorium in NC (along with all of the attendant rare-earth metals) and could probably provide 100% of the state’s energy needs for a few million years from it, with zero chance of a meltdown, far less waste than what is produced from a traditional Uranium plant, and at a fraction of the cost. Carbon free (if that matters) too. It could revolutionize the economy of the entire state, as cheap electricity is a key ingredient of nearly all sorts of manufacturing or other economic activity. But the Greens oppose any sort of nuclear power even more than they oppose carbon based power. They really do seem to want us to regress to the dark ages, where even candlelight comes from burning carbon and is forbidden.
rgb

February 6, 2013 10:48 am

Dr. Brown says
why not pray for somebody who really needs it, like the several billion people who live in abject poverty or the millions of children who are slowly starving and suffering from malnutrition and disease, whose lives are nearly hopeless?
Henry says
I am surprised – special forces rgb coming in.
Now you, too, are included in this prayer, whether you believe in it or not. If you have a question about my faith, you may want to look here:
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2011/07/23/why-do-i-believe-in-god/
……….wise men still seek – and found Him – as happened 2000 years ago…..
I suspect those 3 wise men were old, so I am sure you might still have some time left to find Him.
In the case that you do accept Him in your life, you might actually find yourself initiating those very activities yourself, afterwards, that you think I am not doing. Remember it is “work and pray”?
http://www.heartforchildren.co.za
So far, I have heard good reports about the idea of using thorium reactors, but just like you I am puzzled why it does not come off the ground. Are you waiting in the USA for the AEC? My experience with other agencies operated from Switzerland is that they will not do much of anything if it might affect their flow of money (usually from inspections to check against their specific regulations).
As I recall the American Standards were always good and useful (to me). Perhaps you guys should try to organize your own type of Atomic Energy Council for the Americas?

February 6, 2013 11:28 pm

HenryP: There are few things more arrogant than you believing or suggesting that you have the power to ask G_d to take action because of your opinions of what people need. As if people who disagree with you need G_d’s help in some way. Stop the nonsense.
I’m sorry for even partaking in a discussion with the likes of you. It’s as if you can read the words, and string a sentence together, but that you can’t put things into a perspective. The thought of people like you in a crucial decision making capacity literally gives me the heebie jeebies.
Still, you’re a nice fellow.

February 7, 2013 4:12 am

Mario now says
There are few things more arrogant than you believing or suggesting that you have the power to ask G_d to take action because of your opinions of what people need. As if people who disagree with you need G_d’s help in some way. Stop the nonsense.
henry says
I suppose that question could be compared with whether or not it was God speaking to Moses to free the Hebrews from slavery. Or speaking to me 30 years ago (or Martin Luther King, for that matter), to preach that apartheid (segregation) was a sin. Seeing that I was similarly divinely directed to investigate what is wrong with the carbon dioxide, indeed, I do speak with His authority now to say that people can feel free to use fossil fuels, especially, if, like me, they want to be – or become – free from that horrible nuclear energy business. ….
Alas, at last, there is freedom of this oppression, too. God has said that the carbon dioxide is fine and asked me to check it up. I could not find any evidence to the contrary.
http://blogs.24.com/henryp/2011/08/11/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-aug-2011/
Cheers.
Henry

richardscourtney
February 7, 2013 5:41 am

Henry P:
I am writing this to you as a brother in Christ.
/sermon start/
There are different viewpoints and we can all learn from each other. It is a rejection of Christ’s three commandments of love to claim that somebody must be wrong when they propound an opinion which is not evil. Listen, think and learn when somebody says something you don’t agree: as Cromwell said to Charles 1,
“I beg ye in the bowels of Christ to consider that ye may be wrong”.
Any one of us can be wrong, and we each are from time to time.
God is on our side because He is on the side of everybody: indeed, He is beside and with everyone. It is blasphemy to imply – as you are doing – that God is not on the side of those who dispute your view. As Mario Lento has repeatedly tried to tell you, an assertion that your view is God’s view is to mock God because – whether or not you recognise it – the assertion is a claim that you are God.
Your prayers are commendable, but when you invoke God as your justification then you are behaving – in the words of Christ – like a “whited sepulcher”: i.e. the appearance hides the reality.
Seek humility, and please beware the sin of pride. God is not mocked. His Will will be done whatever you say or do. And always pray.
/end of sermon/
Now, can we, please, return to the subject of the thread?
Richard

February 7, 2013 7:16 am

Richard says
It is blasphemy to imply – as you are doing – that God is not on the side of those who dispute your view.
Henry says
I never implied such a thing/ !! As I said, many of us are still searching and it may take a lifetime to make a commitment to accept the Truth.
May I remind you: the original dispute was whether or not nuclear energy is safe enough or not.
I say it is not. Mario (and others like yourself) think it is safe enough. Fine. This is no problem? We can still be friends? I respect their opinion. You are my brothers! I just expect them to respect my opinion.
Where the problem becomes a bit difficult for me is when I heard on radio here nuclear energy being promoted by professors as the best alternative to fossil fuels (wind and solar does not work), and it being completely generally accepted that fossil fuels are bad for generations to come.
I am just relating that this is where I started to investigate this whole carbon dioxide story. This is a type of oppression? It was experienced as oppression to me. The lies and the deceits by the nuclear industry, to promote their aims, whether or not intentional and whether or not innocently. Just like there are many people who still believe segregation is still the best…
Then we had the Fukushima accident…
\So, I am just saying, we are free.
Thank God, we are free, at last.
We donot have to go wind. We donot have to go solar. \We donot have to go nuclear.(even though the thorium looks a bit interesting to me)
More carbon dioxide is OK.
God is good.
I am blessed.

February 7, 2013 1:48 pm

@richardscourtney:
You are the voice of reason. Amen.
: I meant it when I said you are a nice fellow. You want to “do” something meaningful… and may feel the need to insert yourself to help rid badness. But, please take some of richardscourtney’s words of advice. Maybe your goodness can be spent on learning what you do not understand, rather than judging things you wish you understood better.
Your persecution of nuclear energy parallels the actions of the people who have made CO2 into an evil villain. When you insert G_d into your side, you start to believe that any side except yours and G_d’s must be wrong. I am fairly confident that you do not know G_d’s view of nuclear energy.

February 8, 2013 10:06 am

Mario says
I am fairly confident that you do not know G_d’s view of nuclear energy.
Henry says
I never said or implied that I know God’s view on nuclear energy.
Please go over my comments again.
I just said that I don’t think it (nuclear energy) is safe (enough)
Why do you all keep twisting what I actually said?

February 8, 2013 10:15 am

Anyway, even if looked at from the point of view those who oppose more carbon dioxide:
it is well known fact that water vapor is much stronger GHG than CO2?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/30/global-warming-anthropogenic-or-not/#comment-1214618
(the warming of the water due to cooling causes more H2O (g)?)

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