Another nutty geoengineering idea – Olivine dust

From the Institute of Physics

Researchers analyse ‘rock dissolving’ method of geoengineering

The benefits and side effects of dissolving particles in our ocean’s surfaces to increase the marine uptake of carbon dioxide (CO2), and therefore reduce the excess amount of it in the atmosphere, have been analysed in a new study published today.

The study, published today, 22 January, in IOP Publishing’s journal Environmental Research Letters, assesses the impact of dissolving the naturally occurring mineral olivine and calculates how effective this approach would be in reducing atmospheric CO2.

The researchers, from the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in Bremerhaven, Germany, calculate that if three gigatonnes of olivine were deposited into the oceans each year, it could compensate for only around nine per cent of present day anthropogenic CO2 emissions.

This long discussed ‘quick fix’ method of geoengineering is not without environmental drawbacks; the particles would have to be ground down to very small sizes (around one micrometre) in order to be effective. The grinding process would consume energy and therefore emit varying amounts of CO2, depending on the sort of power plants used to provide the energy.

Lead author of the study Peter Köhler said: “Our literature-based estimates on the energy costs of grinding olivine to such a small size suggest that with present day technology, around 30 per cent of the CO2 taken out of the atmosphere and absorbed by the oceans would be re-emitted by the grinding process.”

The researchers used a computer model to assess the impact of six different olivine dissolution scenarios. Olivine is an abundant magnesium-silicate found beneath the Earth’s surface that weathers quickly when exposed to water and air – in its natural environment it is dissolved by carbonic acid which is formed from CO2 out of the atmosphere and rain water.

If olivine is distributed onto the ocean’s surface, it begins to dissolve and subsequently increases the alkalinity of the water. This raises the uptake capacity of the ocean for CO2, which is taken up via gas exchange from the atmosphere.

According to the study, 92 per cent of the CO2 taken up by the oceans would be caused by changes in the chemical make-up of the water, whilst the remaining uptake would be down to changes in marine life through a process known as ocean fertilisation.

Ocean fertilisation involves providing phytoplankton with essential nutrients to encourage its growth. The increased numbers of phytoplankton use CO2 to grow, and then when it dies it sinks to the ocean floor taking the CO2 with it.

“In our study we only examined the effects of silicate in olivine. Silicate is a limiting nutrient for diatoms – a specific class of phytoplankton. We simulated with our model that the added input of silicate would shift the species composition within phytoplankton towards diatoms.

“It is likely that iron and other trace metals will also impact marine life if olivine is used on a large scale. Therefore, this approach can also be considered as an ocean fertilisation experiment and these impacts should be taken into consideration when assessing the pros and cons of olivine dissolution,” continued Köhler.

The researchers also investigated whether the deposition of olivine could counteract the problem of ocean acidification, which continues to have a profound effect on marine life. They calculate that about 40 gigatonnes of olivine would need to be dissolved annually to fully counteract today’s anthropogenic CO2 emissions.

“If this method of geoengineering was deployed, we would need an industry the size of the present day coal industry to obtain the necessary amounts of olivine. To distribute this, we estimate that 100 dedicated large ships with a commitment to distribute one gigatonne of olivine per year would be needed.

“Taking all our conclusions together – mainly the energy costs of the processing line and the projected potential impact on marine biology – we assess this approach as rather inefficient. It certainly is not a simple solution against the global warming problem.” said Köhler.

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Ken Harvey
January 22, 2013 10:54 am

Zimbabweans rejoice! There are still thousands of megatons of Rhodesian Chrysotile in mines abandoned in the seventies. These profoundly clever people are going to come and buy it.

Steve C
January 22, 2013 11:06 am

No Name Guy says (January 22, 9:36 am):
“These clowns need to be forcefully slapped up side the head and told to quit being stupid.”
Better still, round ’em up, give ’em some pickaxes and tell ’em to get back to us when they’ve got the first three gigatonnes ready to go.

john robertson
January 22, 2013 11:15 am

I have a co2 reduction method that will meet the approval of 60% of voters.
Shut down our governments, the useless travel, the offices and endless gassing.
Theres the 25-40% reduction with no pain to productive members of society.
Note all percentages compatible with climatology standards.

January 22, 2013 11:30 am

DirkH says:
January 22, 2013 at 2:14 am
Peak Olivine.

…hand to face, LMAO!

January 22, 2013 12:19 pm

John: I like it! We probably have to pay these guys to stay home and do nothing at the median wage level, but it’s worth it to save ourselves from the destruction and bad science heaped on us by these people.

January 22, 2013 12:59 pm

This seems like such a waste to just dump it into the ocean. When I was a kid, I always liked Ovaltine.

TImothy Sorenson
January 22, 2013 1:17 pm

The entire US coal production (2011) is 1.1 billion short tonnes. 40 Gigatonnes would then be 40xUS entire production of coal.

Dr Evil.
January 22, 2013 1:49 pm

Thank you Mr Smith….
I intend to simply hollow out the moon and convert it into a “Death Star”…..
I pay the bills around here (along with everyone else) so demand a little respect…..
Ref Volacano?……..That is soooo yesterday…..

Berényi Péter
January 22, 2013 1:50 pm

John F. Hultquist says:
January 22, 2013 at 9:37 am
It might be interesting to see a time-line graph of this
[increase in dust] going back a few tens of thousand years.
Here is air-borne dust from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica.
There was a hundred times more dust in the atmosphere during glacial times. As global ice volume was only 2 or 3 times more than it is now, it would be more appropriate to call it a dust age.

Konrad
January 22, 2013 2:04 pm

Steven Mosher says:
January 22, 2013 at 8:05 am
“Look this is exactly like dumping C02 into the air. The null hypothesis is that it will cause no harm. So dump away.”
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Wait on. Wasn’t that the same null hypothesis that Kevin “Travesty” Trenberth wanted reversed for AGW? I have a copy of that speech to the AMS. He even used the easy search tag “denier” 😉
Sceptics will never forgive and the Internet will never forget. I hope Mosher can now see how this game works. The stain of AGW advocacy lasts forever.

Chris R.
January 22, 2013 2:41 pm

I have a much better geo-engineering scheme. Mount Pinatubo’s
eruption dumped a lot of sulfates into the atmosphere, resulting in
cooling for circa two years, as I recall.
AGW theory states that the “relentless increase of GHG in the
atmosphere” causes continued warming, unless canceled out.
Large volcanic eruptions are known to cause worldwide cooling
(see data from Pinatubo, “year without a summer”, etc.).
So, locate a suitable volcano. Put a small nuclear explosive down
it and blow the magma dike, causing an eruption. Watch the global
temperature cool, stabilize, then start to rise again. Repeat every
five-to-ten years as necessary. Much more likely to work, cheaper,
does not require enormous mining investment. Radioactive fallout
can be a problem, but that can be minimized.
Problem solved. Next problem!

Rhoda R
January 22, 2013 2:43 pm

If the idea is to increase plancton why go through all these gyrations? Just allow phosphorous back into detergent and dish washing solutions again. This way at least we’ll have clean cloths and dishes again.

January 22, 2013 3:06 pm

Steven Mosher says:
January 22, 2013 at 8:05 am
“Look this is exactly like dumping C02 into the air. The null hypothesis is that it will cause no harm. So dump away.”
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Expend resources that could be better used on something proven, rather than just theorized, to do good rather than just “cause no harm”?
That CO2 is harmful is a theory. That dumping oviline into the ocean is helpful is a theory based the theory that CO2 is harmful.
As Willis once said when you were being dumped on, “I like Mosh”. I think I do to. I think you’re honest. I just think you’re wrong. If you’re not wrong, we don’t know enough yet to commit what the Mann’s and Hansen’s and Gore’s (and now Obama’s) would have us commit.
(I know, that’s political but, lacking proof, unfortunately that’s what it’s come down to.)

January 22, 2013 3:16 pm

Let me add, I think Mosher is the honest skeptical side to this “skeptic” site.

crosspatch
January 22, 2013 3:20 pm

There are easier ways to get silicates into the oceans.

Beer would be the easiest way. Simply dump all waste beer (expired, spoiled, whatever) into the ocean and there you go.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100208091922.htm
Beer … it’s the miracle substance.

January 22, 2013 3:54 pm

higley7 says:
January 22, 2013 at 5:07 am
DId they calculate the huge fleet of ships, the machinery, the time and the fuel it would take to distribute this stupidity? Reminds me of biofuels where at best you spend as much energy as you get out, probably more when the infrastructure and equipment are suitably considered.
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I think you are missing the point. It will create jobs! Who cares whether what they do produces anything of value. As long as they vote. (After voting is done away with, as long as they obey.)

David A. Evans
January 22, 2013 4:28 pm

“Taking all our conclusions together – mainly the energy costs of the processing line and the projected potential impact on marine biology – we assess this approach as rather inefficient. It certainly is not a simple solution against the global warming problem.” said Köhler.

Translation…
We wasted our time and this is not viable.
DaveE.

Big Trev
January 22, 2013 4:30 pm

these people are on drugs

GregK
January 22, 2013 8:06 pm

Perhaps we could get the ships that would be required to transport the olivine to instead all line up at the southern end of India and push it north a little more. The subsequent rise of the Himalayas, and increased weathering/erosion thereof, might tie up sufficient CO2 or carbon to do something……
http://www.geo.cornell.edu/geology/research/derry/himalaya.html
But then again it might not………

Mikegeo
January 22, 2013 8:38 pm

I think the authors should first have looked at the composition of the ocean floor. It’s mostly basaltic and Olivine is a common component and already is dissolving into the water. On top of that there are an estimated 3 million or more undersea active volcanic vents pushing more material and gases out continually.
Who peer reviews these things anyway? Does anyone need to possess even general knowledge of the earth?

January 23, 2013 1:49 am

John F. Hultquist says: on January 22, 2013 at 9:37 am
quote
Here is air-borne dust from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica.
unquote
Seeing graphs like that makes one understand why geologists are wary of ‘we’re all doomed’ scenarios. When you see the changes over hundreds of thousands of years it’s obvious that what’s going on now is nothing special. Has anyone done an isotope study of what happens to atmospheric CO2 during the temperature swings?
If dust alters the plankton populations then it will have a climatic effect: maybe one of the climate scientists could carry out an experiment… or, better still model it. The latter would ensure that the results are incontrovertible.
JF