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Finally … finally! … a person trained by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project agreed to face off in a public debate on global warming. As WUWT readers may know, trying to get one of these folks to debate a skeptic has been an impossible task…until now. Full video follows, running about 59 minutes.
While I don’t know the details, I suspect the video quality has to do with an apparent long standing policy of Gore’s presenters refusing to allow their presentations to be video taped. My impression is that this appears to be a clandestine recording made by an audience member.
From an email I received:
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Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project squared off against The Heartland Institute in a global warming debate January 8 in Tallahassee, Florida. More than 260 people attended the hour-long debate, which resulted in standing room only at the Tallahassee Elks Club Lodge, which hosted the debate.
Ray Bellamy, a Florida State University faculty member who gives public presentations on behalf of Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, argued humans are causing a global warming crisis. Taylor countered that global warming activists have proven none of four important factors they need to show in order to demonstrate a human-induced global warming crisis.
“I am very happy that this debate is now available on the Internet so people can see the for themselves, without having to wade through media filters, who possesses and presents the best evidence in a fair and balanced debate,” said Taylor.
“I encourage people to watch the debate and then share it with friends, family and acquaintances. So long as people have access to the truth, I believe the truth will always prevail,” said Taylor.
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Source: Alyssa Carducci
The YouTube page says:
Heartland Institute Senior Fellow James Taylor debates Ray Bellamy, M.D., a Tallahassee Orthopedic Surgeon at the Elks Club Lodge at 276 North Magnolia Drive in Tallahassee, Florida on Jan. 8, 2013.
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Thanks Anthony. No wonder the alarmists don’t like debating. In the closing remarks, after Taylor summarises the science, Bellamy just engages in a series of ad homs against Dr Soon and Dr Singer, and then admits what he had just claimed was a direct quote was ‘paraphrased’, to a chorus of boos from the audience. Epic fail!
A shame the bootlegged video ends at that point, but we may look forward to many more such debates in future. /sarc
HAHAHA! Typical “ad-hominim attacks” by the Gore-ite. Completely predictable and un-original.
To bad the audiance wasn’t as AGRESSIVE as the “Critical Thinking” Club group I was with about 2 years ago in MN. They had a presentation by a AWG “disciple”, a retired U of Wisc. meteorology professor. Although I and one other engineer asked some questions that clearly “sliced and diced” the man’s technical points, such that …as one observer said after the presentation, the retired Professor displayed the classic “Deer in the Headlights” look, a few times during said logical disections, the Critical Thinking Club member absolutely eviserated the fellow for the (expected) ad-hominim attacks on sources and personages who present cases counter to the Al Gore approved group-think.
Alas – the MOB versus Atlas! All I can do is shrug it off!
As an Orthopaedic surgeon myself, I am embarrassed.
Dr Bellamy’s closing remarks with their bitter ad homs and smears about Willie Soon and outright lies about Fred Singer tell you that even Dr. Bellamy thinks he has lost that debate hands down. These debates do not achieve much, in my opinion, but I do like the way in which James Taylor asks the audience to go out and look at the data and find out for themselves. Excellent.
Was there no “before and after” voting?
No wonder Gore sold out and cashed in…
No wonder Gore sold out and cashed in….
Jo Nova and David Evans debated Anna Rose, arch warmist for the ABC documentary. The documentary was to convince a senator Nick Minchin to the warmist case or Anna Rose to sceptics. Minchin is on record as saying threats from a warming globe are exaggerated.
Anna Rose could not understand anything David Evans said and her argument depended on the computer modelling and the specious reasoning of the precautionary principle as if that is some sort of magic castle.
The ABC refused to show the debate, only highly edited bits that attempted to reverse Evans opinion. They cut it to make it seem Anna Rose more than held her own, even when she was clearly out of her depth.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/abc-doco-uncut-evans-nova-minchin-and-rose-the-full-unedited-video-2521502.html
No contest! Muahahahaha!!!!!!! OMG – the Ortho was a complete FAIL. Jason Joice, I get your embarrassment, but don’t sweat it. Some Orthos are just plain deluded and slow, like the rest of the population. Maybe he’s a great Ortho.
Mr. Taylor’s debate was fact-filled( peer-reviewed citations aplenty) , versus the emotion-filled anecdotes and ad-homs from the Old Guy. Quote of the debate was Mr. Taylor’s response to the Old Guy’s question (24:20) – “That’s the way it is”.
Brilliant. Understandable that they don’t want debate. Fail every time.
Man I hate this WordPress BS. I submit a well-worded, carefully edited and double spell-checked response, and lo, I get a WordPress page asking me to log in. So I do. And then…..
… nothing.
No “awaiting moderation”, no “thank you”, just, an assumption that eventually the satellite will reappear from behind the moon and communication will be restored. So I am left wondering whether or not to re-engage in the hard labour of reconstructing my response from memory. Fix it!
[Reply: Not in the SPAM queue, so no idea. I’ve sometimes retrieved lost posts with the “back” or “forward” page option in the browser to pull up the pre-send page. Doesn’t always work, but sometimes. -ModE]
Sceptic- “Wheres the proof?.
Warmist, “ummm, ahh, urm, uh, deniers,big oil urm, urh, erm.”
Amazing. Never thought I’d see it head-to-head; – took an ‘ambush’, but great stuff!
Anyhoo, now that I am logged in….
Quote of the week candidate could be “I don’t understand the question…” Josh has to do somrthing!
While it is cold in China it is a hot summer in Australia. Just like it usually is and just like usually happens when we have a few hot days and the accompaning fires Dr. David Karoly tells all who will listen that this is climate change in action. He makes similar statements when ever the weather supports the climate change meme. He fails to add that he is one of our climate commissioners (please don’t laugh. I feel bad as it is for having a government as crazy as ours) and is paid handsomely to promote the need for a carbon tax in order to save the planet. Medical doctors get debarred when they screw up and tell lies and so do lawyers. How come climate scientists can get away with crap????
Mike Jowsey says:
January 12, 2013 at 2:54 am
Man I hate this WordPress BS. I submit a well-worded, carefully edited and double spell-checked response, and lo, I get a WordPress page asking me to log in. So I do. And then…..
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It does happen. What I do these days is to merely copy my response then click ‘post comment’ and if word press pops up and the post disappears merely paste and try again.
If the post had already been accepted it will normally say something like ‘this post appears to be a duplication’ in which case there is no need to resubmit.
tonyb
Nearly an hour? Ok… I’ll be back ‘in a while’ 😉
Until then, um, wasn’t that Ka-Ching the sound of The Fat -um- Lady Singing?
How long before AlGore exits stage right or gets ejected by his dejected rejected ‘followers’ stage left?
I expect the best and brightest have already noticed the snow from the UK to Jordan and California to what was it, 65% of the USA?
And just think, only a half decade of steadily less solar help as this cycle ramps down.
Look for the remaining ‘dregs’ of the AlGore Traveling Salvation Show to be of ever lower quality and competence.
Ok, with that, off to video land for “a while”…
I thought Ralph Bellamy was an actor…. oh, Ray Bellamy?
Well, he’s still an actor. Apparently, in a bit role.
James Taylor did a fine job debating his position and presenting the overwhelming evidence against CAGW. Dr. Bellamy was a bit of a disaster simply repeating the standard memes of: unstoppable positive feedback loops (not supported by empirical evidence), dangerous and rapidly increasing ocean rise (not supported by empirical evidence), current temps unprecedented (not supported), extreme weather incidence increasing (not supported), skeptics all in the pockets of oil companies (not supported)….
I could go on, but what’s the point. Dr. Bellamy did a poor job in trying to defend the indefensible CAGW theory.
WP does have some issues related to monetization of the Internet commons. I use OpenID Seatbelt from Symantec that WP has been unable to implement. Read Zittrain’s Future of the Internet – And How to Stop It.
“How come climate scientists can get away with crap????”
Because they are saying what their Government masters want them to say.
When it comes to aggrandizing Government power and control, adherence to reality and truth are the first casualties soon followed by the lives and fortunes of its citizens. Except for a few blinks of history when Government was held in check, It has always been thus. Why then are we surprised when Government acts as Governments have always acted? Climate catastrophe is simply the current excuse for such behavior.
Scientists should be bound by the same rules that govern engineers.
Burt Rutan http://www.iceagenow.com/Burt_Rutan_calls_AGW_a_Fraud.htm
Dr. Bellamy, if you won’t bet $1000 that the world will actually warm as much as you say, will you bet $100? $10?
You emphasized that the population isn’t under control: would you like to expand on that statement?
Lol…Bellamy well p0wned by Taylor…
The effect on plant protein of increased CO2 depends on the concentration of the gas, environmental factors (such as soil moisture) & type of crop. Alfalfa, for instance, increases its protein content under elevated levels of CO2, while even a doubling from present concentration leaves soybean content about the same. Some other crops do suffer as much as 10-15% loss in protein content under a doubling of recent levels (700-800 ppm).
However, any such loss is more than compensated for by greatly increased yields, less water use & oxygen limitation. Furthermore, the increased crop bulk not used for food or feed still has energetic value, as does improved yields of forest fiber & other woody growth.
Sadly, for a lot of people (including most of that audience by the sound of it), the slow-speaking MD with his homespun anecdotes about lightning at football games will come across as far more trustworthy than the sharp executive type armed with facts.
“Metric tons are bigger than our tons” — so we’re supposed to be metric-scared, not our-scraed. Every little bit helps.