UPDATE: 2PM PST After more complaints were lodged today by WUWT readers about the watered down version of Parncutt’s essay which had replaced the original on the University of Graz website, it was removed and replaced with an apology. See below in the body of the story. – Anthony
UPDATE2: 2:55:PM PST In an email received today from Skeptical Science contributor Dana Nuccitelli, he has flat out refused to distance himself or the SkS website publicly from the Parncutt essay. Readers may recall that Parncutt used SkS as a reference in his essay calling for the death penalty. No word yet on whether John Cook (owner of the website) agrees and no word yet from DeSmog blog. – Anthony
Readers may recall this particular bit of ugliness: Beyond bizarre: University of Graz music professor calls for skeptic death sentences
David M. Hoffer writes in comments:
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I sent a rather firm letter to the University which is reproduced upthread. I didn’t expect a response, but I got one. I reproduce their response here:
Die Karl-Franzens-Universität Graz ist bestürzt und entsetzt über die Ansicht und distanziert sich davon klar und deutlich. Die Universität legt größten Wert, dass die Wahrung aller Menschenrechte zu den obersten Prinzipien der Universität Graz gehört und menschenverachtende Aussagen mit aller Entschiedenheit zurückgewiesen werden. Die Universität weist zusätzlich mit Nachdruck darauf hin, dass eine rein persönliche Ansicht, die nicht im Zusammenhang mit der wissenschaftlichen Arbeit steht, auf universitären Webseiten nicht toleriert wird.
The University of Graz is shocked and appalled by the article and rejects its arguments entirely. The University places considerable importance on respecting all human rights and does not accept inhuman statements. Furthermore, the University of Graz points out clearly that a personal and individual opinion which is not related to scientific work cannot be tolerated on websites of the University.
Helmut Konrad
Dean, Faculty of Humanities and the Arts
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Here is Hoffer’s letter to the University of Graz:
I’ve sent the rector a complaint as worded below. Should I receive a reply (I know, unlikely) I will post it here as well:
I [am] writing to you in protest of the remarks made by Richard Parncutt. While the university has done the right thing by removing these remarks from their website, that is hardly strong enough action. I’m sure you need no reminder that advocating for forced “re-education” and death penalties for one’s beliefs carries with it the stench of barbarism from history’s darkest chapters. I am not one of those who “deny” the science of global warming, in fact the opposite. But having studied the science closely, I’ve also concluded that many of the draconian measures proposed to mitigate global warming would themselves cause more harm than good. As a single example, we are already converting crops into bio-fuels, in essence burning the food while millions around the world are starving. Are the deaths of those people similarly on Richard Parncutt’s conscious? By his own standard, should he not be punished in the precise same manner he proposes to punish others?
The issues regarding climate science are many and complex. They deserve to be debated publicly. Indeed, it is crucial that they be debated publicly that facts, logic and science may prevail over politics, rhetoric, and in the case of those such as Richard Parncutt, hate speech reminiscent of last centuries darkest horrors.
The university owes the world not simply an apology for what appeared on their web site, but a strong and unequivocal statement denouncing this blatant attempt to silence the debate by threat of violence. – David M. Hoffer
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I checked to make certain he is a representative of the university. He is listed on the University of Graz website here.
We are still waiting for DeSmog Blog and “Skeptical Science” to disavow this man’s ideas, since he lists them as references in his hate speech essay. The original is archived here:
Richard Parncutt. Death penalty for global warming deniers?. University of Graz. 2012-12-24. URL: http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html. Accessed: 2012-12-24. (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/6D8yy8NUJ)
One final note, Helmut Konrad in his statement says:
Furthermore, the University of Graz points out clearly that a personal and individual opinion which is not related to scientific work cannot be tolerated on websites of the University.
Despite that, Parncutt’s watered down opinion (changed after the uproar) still exists on the University of Graz website as seen here:
http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html
Perhaps Herr Konrad should be reminded of what he wrote. His email is on his University page here.
UPDATE: WUWT readers get results. After more complaints were lodged today by WUWT readers about the watered down version (PDF here) of Parncutt’s essay which had replaced the original, it was removed and replaced with an apology. It seems Monckton of Brenchley was instrumental in the about-face. This is what is there now:
Global warming
I wish to apologize publicly to all those who were offended by texts that were previously posted at this address. I made claims that were incorrect and comparisons that were completely inappropriate, which I deeply regret. I would also like to thank all those who took the time and trouble to share their thoughts in emails.
In October 2012, I wrote the following on this page: “I have always been opposed to the death penalty in all cases, and I have always supported the clear and consistent stand of Amnesty International on this issue. The death penalty is barbaric, racist, expensive, and is often applied by mistake.” I wish to confirm that this is indeed my opinion. I have been a member of Amnesty International for at least 14 years, and I admire and support their consistent stance on this issue.
Richard Parncutt, 27 December 2012
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mbw says:
December 27, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Let me get this straight. You’re upset one guy posted an essay calling for the death penalty for “deniers” but then you post a piece saying the scientists should burn in hell. Sounds like there is a shortage of grownups all around.
Jesus Christ! Sounds like your grasping for straws. It’s one thing to wish someone damnation put forward by a religion that has not proven, and are therefor uncertain, about the afterlife. And to activly want someone to die now because of their conviction.
Pain when your dead, and die now, are completely different.
Your to logically challenged to be a grown up.
Just a minor point to make here. When the university official refers to “scientific work” (“wissenschaftlichen Arbeit” in the original) it is meant in the sense of “scholarly.” German academics speaking English will often use the word “scientific” in a context of fields having nothing to do with what we consider to be science.
mpainter, the etymology of genocide makes obvious the meaning of the word: gen-, of or pertaining to the gene or of generation; -cide, murder of. QED. Also, the UN is not an arbiter of English-language definitions.
The best way to discredit a false idea, and the idea-propounder, is to expose the fallacy for all to see. Forcing violent ideas into silence only drives them underground, where they fester and then opportunistically recrudesce.
“SkS finally shows that perhaps the SS tag for them is justified.”
Well SKS is a Soviet rifle so perfectly appropriate for them already…
Nope – advocation of political murder of those with whom you disagree is not mere disagreement. We should oppose this dangerous rhetoric wherever it rears its nasty head.
Well kudos to the University for posting a full apology…….. and for responding to complaints. It’s about time some of these so called ‘august’ institutions showed a bit of august-iness for a change…..so to speak.
Jeff Mitchell says:
December 28, 2012 at 11:21 am
Pointman says:
December 28, 2012 at 7:50 am
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” – Edmund Burke.
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I really dislike this quote. “Good men who do nothing” is an oxymoron. I also dislike it when people try to soften their criticism by saying “Wrong, not evil” when “evil” is actually correct. If the results are going to be evil, well intentioned but wrong ideas need to be countered just as much as outright evil ones. “Good men” will do something.
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Actually Edmund Burke did not write that quote as it appears above…….. That comes from a Russian film adaption of Leo Tolstoy’s War and Peace.
This is what Edmund Burke actually wrote: “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”
To my thinking it is a more relevant and effective warning. The good must seek each other out, or be destroyed.
Pat Frank says: December 28, 2012 at 4:29 pm
mpainter, the etymology of genocide makes obvious the meaning of the word: gen-, of or pertaining to the gene or of generation; -cide, murder of. QED. Also, the UN is not an arbiter of English-language definitions.
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There is not a dictionary on this planet that will agree with your concocted etymology. You would do well to employ one of these useful references.
The Bear emailed Parncutt and had a thing or two to say. Happy to report that Parncutt has replied with unconditional withdrawal and apology. On the topic of attacks on climate sceptics, WUWTers may recall the Australian Broadcasting Commission’s `Science Show’ host said (introducing an interview with Lewandowsky on the `evils of climate denial-ism’) the following:
`What if I told you that pedophilia is good for children, or that asbestos is an excellent inhalant for those with asthma? Or that smoking crack is a normal part and a healthy one of teenage life, to be encouraged? You’d rightly find it outrageous. But there have been similar statements coming out of inexpert mouths again and again in recent times, distorting the science. This is what The Economist magazine said last week about the election in America.’
This likening of sceptics to pedophiles, on our national broadcaster, has sparked a strong push back, see for example letters to the editor of The Australian newspaper today at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/letters/sophistry-cannot-hide-corruption-of-values-in-abc/story-fn558imw-1226544756203
Sophistry cannot hide corruption of values in ABC
MICHAEL Millett (“ABC did not equate climate sceptics to pedophiles”, 27/12) further confirms the corruption of values within the ABC. No amount of artless sophistry can cover the fact that Robyn Williams did (and clearly intended to) assert that climate change sceptics are the moral and intellectual equivalent of those who would advocate pedophilia, an odious group almost exclusively comprised of pedophiles.
Rather than block this disgraceful claim from being broadcast or apologising after the event, and reassuring the public of a return to proper standards of decency, the national broadcaster exhibits complete denial of the existence of any problem. The offending comments remain published on the ABC website.
Apart from there being no possible justification for the original remarks and the lack of a proper response from the ABC, all of which belittles the national broadcaster, has it not occurred to ABC management that Williams has effectively claimed a moral equivalence between damage to victims of child sexual abuse and daring to challenge the ABC’s corporate line on climate science? Perhaps the new chairman James Spigelman can bring some sense to this debacle?
James Miller, Woolloomooloo, NSW
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We may also be seeing a bit of a turn around in the so-called `progressive’ media in Australia with the arch climate catastrophe Sydney Morning Herald publishing one of its strongest `sceptical’ articles today, see: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/sceptics-weather-the-storm-to-put-their-case-on-climate-20121228-2bz91.html
Maybe the tide is starting to turn in this debate? Anyway, great work again, Anthony, and contributors at WUWT.
Happy New Year to all, from the Bear …
@Lord Monckton:
You rock! Remind me to always have your back and never be in your sights… 😉
@David L. Hagen:
I have a core philosophy which I call “Be the mirror.” It holds that you may well have high and mighty principles, but when confronted by asymmetrical assault, the only effective response is “leveling” off of them and meeting “blow with blow”. I also learned, after a long interval of working on a psych ward, that “be the mirror” also applies to level of communications.
Some folks understand reasoned speech. Some only understand angry tone of voice. Some only understand physical contact. ( I learned this from the ward Doctors and Nurses…)
So when confronted with someone who wants an asymmetric field, where THEY get to indulge in “Hate Speech” but wish to NOT have those rules applied to them, the only answer is to “Be the mirror” and reflect THEIR laws right back at them.
The loonier side of left wingers pushed for the Hate Speech laws as a weapon to be used against folks THEY didn’t like. I’m all for “free speech for all”, but I’ll not participate in “Asymmetric Propaganda for one, hate crime for the other”. The very name “Hate Crime” is stupid and propagandistic. Ever heard of a ‘love crime’? It’s just a cover for making some kinds of politically unpopular crime more harshly treated.
So sorry, that’s a bit negatory on the “let it slide” idea. Any and all instances of “Hate Speech” by the warmistas needs to be met symmetrically and with their own rules of engagement.
They can always remove “hate speech” laws and we’ll all go back to equal and free speech…
(BTW, the best exposition I’ve seen on this is from the very rational left Noam Chomsky. “Freedom of speech must be for those ideas you find most offensive. Everyone is for freedom of speech for ideas with which they agree.” roughly… )
What kind of ‘Graz’ has Herr Parncutt been smoking to establish such a ParncuttGate, or – why not a GrazGate/AustriaGate…? 😉
OTOH, there should also be reminded of a certain Herr John Holdren, who is (was?) Herr Obama’s senior advisor on science & technology and who (in 1977) co-authored ‘Ecoscience’, link:
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
And while at it; the rather ‘famous’ (almost) ‘Urvater’ of the CO2-hysteria, Svante Arrhenius, also was vividly active in creating the ‘State Institute for Racial Biology’ in Uppsala, Sweden, and was a member of the institute’s board as he had been in ‘The Swedish Society for Racial Hygiene’ (Eugenics), founded in 1909. The ‘SIRB’ ‘lived’ on until 1958, when it changed to become ‘The Institute for Medical Genetics’. (info via Wiki).
As Swede, one does certainly not feel ‘proud’ over what’s been going on the past in this country – AND – to a high degree still goes on here in terms of more/less pseudo-scientific-based brainwashing. No wonder, that the socialists cut History out as major subject in schools in the 1970:s. (It is, thankfully, now being put back as major subject in gymnasium school).
BTW: I find it an absolute neccessity to keep the various countries’ representations (embassies etc.) informed about what is being told and/or published, i.e. in this ‘GrazGate’, in form of expressing one’s opinions and/or views/comments to them. I’ve told the Austrian embassy in Stockholm 2x of mine and I urge others to follow suit. Here is a link to the various Austrian reps around the World:
http://www.bmeia.gv.at/aussenministerium/buergerservice/oesterreichische-vertretungen.html
(choose ‘your’ country in the drop-down-list ‘Auswahl Land’ and enter and you’ll get proper addresses)
Brgds from the Bestcoast/Sweden
TJ
DesertYote mentioned Sergei Rachmaninoff, one of three great virtuoso pianist/composers of the early 20th century; the other two were Nikolai Medtner and Leopold Godowsky. I imagine all three of these giants are well outside Dr. Parncutt’s ambit, since Rachmaninoff and Godowsky ended their days as strong patriots of the United States (at the end of World War I Godowsky wrote an impassioned and grandiose setting of “The Start-Spangled Banner” for piano solo and played it widely). Medtner lived and died in Russia, I believe.
I think it is still what he really believes, though.
Him and a lot of others in positions of power.
Once one decides that ‘ends justify means’ a little strategic apologising from time to time is of no account.
Ideally we need to weed out the ‘ends justify means’ types from all our institutions
thojak says: December 29, 2012 at 2:42 am
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thanks for your posting, most worthwhile. I have emailed Austria’s US embassy:
Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms in the past, but now Austria offers Parncutt of the University of Graz, of all places, and neo-facism and genocide, which see. The shock of this has resounded around the world and the world is watching: what will Austria do about this?
johnb says:
December 28, 2012 at 11:59 am
Another, per moderater’s request, re farm wealth – http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/us/across-corn-belt-farmland-prices-keep-soaring.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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So?
I am in NC. The farmland is going for ~ $1,800 per acre. An out of town 1.5 acre house lot goes for $18,900 and another one of 1.1 acres goes for $34,900. A downtown lot is $420,000 for 1 acre.
Farmland is always much cheaper per acre than a house lot often by a factor of ten.
Oh and in 2008, average farm income was projected to be $89,434, but $75,805 of that is OFF-FARM income, that is nearly 85%. And as I commented earlier farm income also includes what ever the USDA decides is the ‘rental value’ of the farm house(s) (Many farms have a couple of house for the younger generation too) so for the net ‘ocuppier income’ you are talking $13,629 MINUS the rental value.
For a three bedrm house that is $1020 to $5,968 across the USA. link
In other words the USDA is FLAT OUT LYING!
Just like CAGW, there is a lot of behind the scenes action that most people are unaware of.
The only reason farmland is going up in price is because BIG MONEY is moving into food and that should scare the ever-lovin’ daylights out of everyone! The Great American Bubble Machine, Goldman Sachs and their newest target FOOD How Goldman Gambled on Starvation…The story of how some of the richest people in the world – Goldman, Deutsche Bank, the traders at Merrill Lynch, and more – have caused the starvation of some of the poorest people in the world.
Being Like Soros in Buying Farmland Reaps Annual Gains of 16%
Credit Suisse: The Hunt for Land Has Already Started
Rothschild cashes in by Investing in Farmland
The question of course is WHY?
The Long Answer is the Committee on Economic Development just after WW II decided to get rid of America’s family farms. The other goal was to get rid of grain reserves so the financial traders could play. April, 2008 Financial Speculators Reap Profits From Global Hunger April 2009 Corporations are still making a killing from hunger
The shorter term answer is Dan Amstrutz VP of Cargill and later Goldman Sachs partner wrote the 1995 World Trade Organization Agreement on Agriculture. (WTO AoA) A year later he wrote the 1996 farm bill called “Freedom to Fail” That bill completely redid US Agriculture, got rid of US strategic grain reserves and the depression era farm policies. (Please Read) Remember the privately held corporations Cargill, Louis Dreyfus, Andre, and Bunge control 90% of the world grain market and that is who Amstutz was working for. Heck they even started an AWARD in his name!Throughout his very successful career Dan Amstutz represented and championed ideas and goals of NAEGA membership While working in the USDA and as a trade negotiator Amstutz represented the goals of the grain traders, you can’t get much more blunt than that.
Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz engineered a massive grain sale to the Soviets in 1972 and the Soviets essentially bought up the U.S. grain reserve. Butz pushed to deregulate the corn market by dismantling supply management policies, selling off government storage bins used for grain reserves. The huge excess of corn lead to consolidation and factory farming of pigs, poultry and cattle and the introduction of high fructose corn syrup in just about every part of the US diet. The 1996 Freedom to Fail in addition to bankrupting a large number of US and third world farmers (pg 10) also did away with the US Strategic Grain Reserves much to the glee of the financial and grain traders.
The July 22, 2008 letter to President Bush – remember the food riots in over 30 countries in 2008?
The letter and other pressure worked: September 21, 2012 Want food security? Bring back a national grain reserve
And by the same outfit: Investing in Farmland: 4 Ways to Play the Agricultural Boom
Back to farmland
The USDA’s position on farming became clear in 1970 with Secretary of Agriculture Earl Butz and his motto of “get big or get out,” The WTO AoA lead to a collaboration between the UN and the WTO to write “Guides to Good Farming/Agriculture Practices” that are now becoming US regulations. This is thanks to the 2010 ‘Food Safety Modernization Act’ that mandated compliance with WTO. An example of what this means to family farmers is Family Facing $4 Million in Fines for Selling Bunnies The USDA now has an additional weapon to make sure family farmers GET OUT! Since the USDA works FOR big Ag and not the people of the US once a family farm is targeted it is trivia to take the farm through fines. Recent experience makes that very very clear John Munsell & A Trip To The Woodshed With The USDA and Shielding the Giant: USDA’s “Don’t Look, Don’t Know” Policy for Beef Inspection.
I hadn’t looked at DeSmogBlog before, but I’ll remember it now because I sometimes struggle remembering the names of the many valiant warriors in the battle for truth.
mpainter says:
December 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm
…I know farmers who are quite wealthy….
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And I know a heck of a lot of farmers, my neighbors, who work a full time job in addition to farming. I went to an Ag school in the mid west 40 years ago. Most of the kids were farm kids and NONE of the ones I knew had a family that was supported full time by their farm. NONE
If you know farmers who are quite wealthy, start looking for where that wealth actually comes from. According to the Ag Census out of 2.2 million farms only 70,642 GROSS over $500,000 before expenses. Net Farm Income Ratio — (net farm income divided by gross revenue). Indicates the percent of gross farm income remaining after all expenses for living, tax needs, capital purchases, investment, retirement, or debt payments. A ratio of 15% or more is optimal; less than 5% unsatisfactory. So take 10% of that number or $50,000 for the actual income.
Pops says:
December 29, 2012 at 7:22 am
“I hadn’t looked at DeSmogBlog before, but I’ll remember it now because I sometimes struggle remembering the names of the many valiant warriors in the battle for truth.”
Also known as the spreaders of the Protocols Of The Elders Of Heartland
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/02/17/the-desmoggers-are-crashing-and-burning/#more-56849
Parncutt also delighted two billion Catholics worldwide with his opinion that the Pope should be executed for crimes against humanity….a similar withdrawal and distancing has followed the intervention of the University authorities….he has been called to a hearing after the Christmas break. Disciplinary measures are being considered apparently.
Gail Combs says: December 29, 2012 at 7:26 am & else where
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“Farming, as any farmer can tell you, is unremitting hard labor in order to eat none too well.” Marquis James 1929
And so it has always been, unless you are one of the fortunate who farm the fertile loess soils of the midwest or some such similar agronomic bonanza. Check it out- farmland in Illinois presently goes for $10,000/acre and more. The better yielding soils yield profit, the lower yielding soils do not. North Carolina, where you live, has depended heavily on the cultivation of tobacco, ruinous to the soil, hence the low values. Other one-crop systems also abuse and deplete the soil. Such detrimental practices are hardly the fault of the rest of us. You bewail these hard economic facts as if there should be a remedy applied. Well, not with my money, please.
mpainter
E.M.Smith says:
December 28, 2012 at 11:29 pm
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Excellent comment! I should re post what you have written for all to read again but it is not far up-thread.
You quoted ““Be the mirror” and reflect THEIR laws right back at them.” That has pretty much been my philosophy in life. I have never seen it written but have used the term that “I’m a mirror.”
RGH says:
December 29, 2012 at 8:58 am
Parncutt also delighted two billion Catholics worldwide with his opinion that the Pope should be executed for crimes against humanity….a similar withdrawal and distancing has followed the intervention of the University authorities….he has been called to a hearing after the Christmas break. Disciplinary measures are being considered apparently.
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Very interesting. If true, the University will doubtless inquire as to how this musical marsupial transplanted to Graz, and what might be responsible for this odd occurence. Does Graz, the childhood home of Hitler, have some magical power of spawning genocidal whackos?
mpainter
Let’s consider John Cook’s blog with respect to this:
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Professor Richard Parncutt of the University of Graz thus tries to establish an authority in climate science . . . . Cook’s blog.
Then, Professor Richard Parncutt of the University of Graz proceeds to a conclusion advocating the killing of scientific critics of CAGW supporting research; that research being the virtually exclusive content of Cook’s blog. That CAGW supporting research, Cook’s blog claims, is ‘settled’ science derived from what Cook claims is a scientifically authoritative IPCC consensus formation process.
My questions are: Is Cook’s blog the necessary pre-condition of the deadly intolerance of Professor Richard Parncutt of the University of Graz? Is the Parncutt intolerance the only one associated with Cook’s blog? How about Cook’s associate Stephan Lewandowsky’s intolerance of CAGW critics? How about Cook’s blog claims that people who argue against his blog’s endorsed CAGW science are mentally ill, is that intolerance any better than Parncutt’s?
John
Something very funny is happening at his wikipedia article. In the german article about him someone with the publicly visible IP “188.22.49.149” is persistently trying to remove and rewrite passages about his misdemeanor all day long. This IP is located in …. Graz, Austria.
Yesterday his english wikipedia article was practically just a mention that he is a musicology professor and a reference about his craving for the death of skeptics. Today the same IP from Graz translated the whole german article into english but hiding any part about the captial punishment gaffe between sentences insisting that he’s a good guy because he’s a member of Amnesty international, he’s always been an opponent of capital punishment.
Obviously the story got bigger than I ever dreamed of and this guy is desperately trying to remove any reference and alter puclib opinion since he has to fight for his job at a planned hearing after New Year.
mpainter says:
December 29, 2012 at 6:02 am
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Plenty thanks for Your respons! My messages to the Austrian Embassy, Stockholm, Sweden:
1st:
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Heute, 24. Dezember, 2012, bekam ich Info ueber etwas, was äusserst negativ beruehrt, siehe bitte unten Link.
Frage: ist der ‘Professsor’ der predestinierte Fuehrer bei Ihnen? Oder womöglich vielleicht ‘nur’ Vorstand einer kommenden Wannseekonferenz???
Sie sollten Sich zutiefst schämen – auf jedem Fall bis der ‘Professor’ abgesetzt und verurteilt wird!!!
Link:
http://www.uni-graz.at/richard.parncutt/climatechange.html
Mit niedrigster Achtung fuer Österreich!
//ThomasJ
2nd:
Guten Tag (again),
Da die Graz-Uni-Seite des Herrn ‘Professor’ Parncutt nunmehr einen ‘404-Fehler’ aufweist, fuege ich eine Abbildung dieser in Form Word-Dokument hier bei, damit Sie selbst und direkt lesen können, warum dieser ‘Professor’ schleunichst vor Gerciht gestellt werden muss.
//ThomasJ
PS: hier ein ‘Screen-Archiev-Shot’: http://www.webcitation.org/6D8yy8NUJ
So far, I have had no reaction/respons/answer from the Austrians… No wonder, maybe… 😉
Cheers from Sweden
//TJ