
Guest post by Matt Ridley
Joe Romm of ThinkProgress described my Wall Street Journal op-ed as:
riddled with basic math and science errors
Yet he fails to find a single basic math or science error in my piece.
He says I :
can’t do simple math
…and then fails to produce a single example of my failing to do simple math.
He says I apparently don’t know the difference between water vapor and clouds. He produces no evidence for this absurd claim, which is wrong. Water vapor is a gas; clouds are droplets of liquid water that condense from water vapor. I do know the difference.
He quotes a scientist as saying
it is very clear water vapor … is an amplifying effect. It is a very strong warmer for the climate.
I agree. My piece states:
water vapor itself is a greenhouse gas.
So there is no confusion there. At least not on my part.
However, I do discuss the possibility that clouds, formed from water vapor, either amplify or damp warming – and nobody at this stage knows which. This is the point that my physicist informant was making: the consequence of increased temperatures and water vapor in the atmosphere may be changes in clouds that have a cooling effect. You will find few who disagree with this. As the IPCC AR4 said:
Cloud feedbacks remain the largest source of uncertainty.
Joe Romm disagrees with this consensus, saying
The net radiative feedback due to all cloud types is likely positive.
He gives no backing for this dogmatic conclusion. By contrast, Professor Judith Curry of Georgia Tech says:
The key point is this. The cloud forcing values are derived from climate models; we have already seen that climate models have some fundamental problems in how clouds are treated (e.g. aerosol-cloud interactions, moist thermodynamics). So, climate model derived values of cloud forcing should be taken with a grain of salt. Empirically based determinations of cloud forcing are needed. At AGU, I spoke with a scientist that has completed such a study, with the paper almost ready for submission. Punchline: negative cloud feedback.
Joe Romm quotes Robert Kaufman as saying
“I know of no evidence that would suggest that the temperature effect of sulfur emissions are small.”
My piece never claimed that aerosols arising from sulfur emissions had a small effect, however as Nic Lewis points out, in the draft AR5 report,
“Table 8.7 shows that the best estimate for total aerosol RF (RFari+aci) has fallen from −1.2 W/m² to −0.7 W/m² since AR4, largely due to a reduction in RFaci, the uncertainty band for which has also been hugely reduced. It gives a higher figure, −0.9 W/m², for AFari+aci. However, −0.9 W/m² is not what the observations indicate: it is a composite of observational, GCM-simulation/aerosol model derived, and inverse estimates.”
With regard to the rate of ocean heat absorption, which I wrote was fairly modest, Joe Romm quotes Kevin Trenberth as writing:
“On the contrary there is now very good evidence that a lot of heat is going into the deep ocean in unprecedented ways…”
and then provides a link to an article citing a study estimating the Earth’s current heat absorption as 0.5 W/ m². So what “fairly modest” figure does Nic Lewis use? Actually slightly higher: 0.52 W/m²!
Romm then says:
Ridley apparently doesn’t have the first clue what the climate sensitivity means
This is not true. I define sensitivity clearly as the temperature change for a doubling of CO2. I am not talking about the Transient Climate Response, which relates to temperature change only over a 70 year period. There is no confusion at my end.
Romm then says that
Schlesinger notes that an aggressive program of carbon mitigation can limit warming to 2°C and avoid the worst impacts
and that
“It is worth pointing out that there is a healthy debate about Schlesinger’s low estimate”.
So maybe there is some confusion at Romm’s end about what Schlesinger concludes. This is what his paper says (in “Causes of the Global Warming Observed since the 19th Century” in Atmospheric and Climate Science 2012) –
“Additionally, our estimates of climate sensitivity using our SCM and the four instrumental temperature records range from about 1.5 ̊C to 2.0 ̊C. These are on the low end of the estimates in the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report. So, while we find that most of the observed warming is due to human emissions of LLGHGs, future warming based on these estimations will grow more slowly compared to that under the IPCC’s “likely” range of climate sensitivity, from 2.0 ̊C to 4.5 ̊C.”
Many other recent papers have come to similar conclusions: For example, Schmittner et al. in Science Dec. 11, 2011 URL:
Combining extensive sea and land surface temperature reconstructions from the Last Glacial Maximum with climate model simulations, we estimate a lower median (2.3 K) and reduced uncertainty (1.7 to 2.6 K as the 66% probability range, which can be widened using alternate assumptions or data subsets). Assuming that paleoclimatic constraints apply to the future, as predicted by our model, these results imply a lower probability of imminent extreme climatic change than previously thought.
Meanwhile for transient climate response, similar low estimates are also now being made. See for example Gillett et al.’s 2012 article “Improved constraints on 21st-century warming derived using 160 years of temperature observations” in Geophysical Research Letters:
Our analysis also leads to a relatively low and tightly-constrained estimate of Transient Climate Response of 1.3–1.8°C, and relatively low projections of 21st-century warming under the Representative Concentration Pathways.
Or Padilla et al.’s 2011 article “Probabilistic estimated of transient climate sensitivity subject to uncertainty in forcing and natural variability” in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Association:
For uncertainty assumptions best supported by global surface temperature data up to the present time, this paper finds a most likely present-day estimate of the transient climate sensitivity to be 1.6 K, with 90% confidence the response will fall between 1.3 and 2.6 K, and it is estimated that this interval may be 45% smaller by the year 2030. The authors calculate that emissions levels equivalent to forcing of less than 475 ppmv CO2 concentration are needed to ensure that the transient temperature response will not exceed 2 K with 95% confidence.
Mr Romm seems confused about methane outgassing feedbacks, arguing that even if climate sensitivity is low, these may dominate. Suffice to say that in this he has drifted a long way from the consensus.
Mr Romm seems determined to rule out even the possibility of low climate sensitivity in the teeth of strong evidence. I can see why he wishes to do so, his job depending on there being a dangerous future. I do not understand where he gets his certainty.
Finally, Mr Romm throws the term “anti-science” at me, again with no evidence. I cited peer reviewed papers and made the scientific argument that the latest data be considered in estimating sensitivity. That is pro science. What is anti-science is to make false accusations and try to shut down legitimate debate.
Hard working people all over the world are now risking their lives as well as their wallets for the consequences of current climate policy (see Indur Goklany’s paper “Could biofuel policies increase death and disease in developing countries?”). They have a right to ask that those who determine the science behind such policies are open-minded. On the evidence of Mr. Romm’s astonishing outburst, my doubts about this are growing.
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Added by Anthony: Regarding Mr. Romm’s unsubstantiated methane claims, maybe he should look at this IPCC graph which shows methane observations in the atmosphere and models diverging:
Full writeup here
The writing style of Romm is pretty normal angry fare for him, though in this case he’s added some extra levels of angry bloviation, and it suggests Mr. Ridley is right over the target when Romm shoots that much flak. It also should be noted that Mr. Romm is a paid political operative for the Center for American Progress.
As such, he deals in political hit pieces catering to “low information” political acolytes, whereas Mr. Ridley deals in facts. Romm is so fearful of facts he doesn’t even allow readers to judge for themselves, as there is no link to Ridley’s article in his hit piece.
Also worth reading is Nic Lewis’ supplement to Ridley’s original WSJ essay, here– Anthony
Added: In comments below “the duke” writes:
Unfortunately, people like Joe Romm don’t debate. They publish posts that deliberately distort clear meanings and precise statements, after which they pontificate foolishly and then go hide behind the barricades of their websites, which either don’t allow comments or censor them if they are heretical to faith-based alarmism.

Thanks, Matt, your excellent article has risen some zombies!
My sympathies to Matt Ridley for having to respond to such disingenuous drivel. I just posted the following at Bishop Hill:
Unfortunately, people like Joe Romm don’t debate. They publish posts that deliberately distort clear meanings and precise statements, after which they pontificate foolishly and then go hide behind the barricades of their websites, which either don’t allow comments or censor them if they are heretical to faith-based alarmism.
Matt, fret not. As a Warmista, Romm believes that a cause can occur after its effect (cf. http://manfredmudelsee.com/publ/pdf/The_phase_relations_among_atmospheric_CO2_content_temperature_and_global_ice_volume_over_the_past_420_ka.pdf). He is a devotee of voodoo, not science.
Mr. Ridley has clearly exposed Mr. Romm as another case of Skeptical Science Syndrome.
Thankfully, this is not very contagious. The cure involves hot packs, exposure to sunlight, and a genteel tone in therapy.
“Anti-science” is one of Romm’s favorite ad hominem attacks, along with “climate zombies” and the now widely shunned “deniers”. The combination with argument from (selective) authority is hardly new either. Just shows what you can accomplish with a PhD in polemics. 🙂
According to ALL CLASSIC meteorology work, water vapor is a NET UPFLUX AGENT. Clouds are BLACK BODY ABSORBERS. (For IR from the surface out.) They are REFLECTORS for incoming SHORTWAVE. Thus their NET BALANCE depends, like good house buying…on LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION ! (Time and space distribution.)
Look, this Joel Romm (or whatever) has always been a mockable figure. But I leave that to Lord MOCKton..
I just remind you MATT – “Wrestling with pigs…” (Come on, you know….wrestle with a pig in mud…you get dirty, the pig likes it!)
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Romm’s shrilly inaccurate diatribes are good PR for the skeptic side. I wonder if big oil is slipping him some funds on the side.
So the more actual data that is taken and analyzed, the lower we find out climate sensitivity is. This should be no surprise. When you step back and look at the big picture of Earth’s long term climate history, there are no periods of runaway warming despite periods with CO2 levels that far exceed anything we have today or expect to have in the future. This alone tells you that feedbacks in climate system have to be net negative. To believe otherwise is just that…. a belief.
Thank You Mr. Ridley,
I am so happy you wrote that piece for the WSJ. It is nice to know at least some scientific fact is finally worming its way through the barricades of the ‘Climate War’
Yes ‘Climate War’ that is the newest catchphrase from the front lines at Bloomberg.
Hat tip to Pat for finding that bit of propaganda.
Joe Romm of course is nothing but another Walter Duranty .
Romm has responded at Bishop Hill
Joe Romm seems to be a fan a publishing libel. Someone should sue him.
Bob Koss says: December 22, 2012 at 8:28 am: Romm’s shrilly inaccurate diatribes are good PR for the skeptic side. I wonder if big oil is slipping him some funds on the side.
Hmmmm yeees I like it. If there are plenty fake sceptic sites, why not fake warmist sites? Any spy novel fan would appreciate all the smoke and mirrors. If it weren’t for the trouble.
The people who try to rise above the fray often cede the competition to their enemies. The mud slingers get to paint their victims the way they want them painted. If the victims don’t hit back early and hard, the public only sees the mud.
On the other hand:
There are Teflon politicians. Nothing sticks to them. When they are accused of something, it seems like they don’t even respond to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon_(nickname)
Both approaches have their place if you know what you’re doing.
I just read through the comments at Romm’s blog thing. Could we invite those folks to a convention and administer the cure to Skeptical Science Syndrome? I have never observed such a gathering of afflicted people. It is shameful that a grant has not been awarded to study this odd phenomenon. To think that a lack of continued warming results in the spread of this disease, I am not sure there is enough fossil fuel left to combat this.
Awwwwwww……the perils of life.
I can prove that climate is really sensitive to changes in only 4 words:
A Lack Of Aliens!
All projections show that there should be a universe full of alien life on other habitable planets, but we can’t find them. Therefore, they don’t exist.
The only possible conclusion is that the ‘goldilocks’ zone is non-existent b/c the climate in ALL worlds is extremely sensitive and is prone to swinging to snowball or scorched and then staying there. Thus, no life can develop over the periods required, and the universe is empty of life.
Fortunately, we have managed to balance our climate (like balancing a bowling ball on top of another bowling ball) for the last 400 million years against these odds.
It’s the only possible explanation!
(sarcasm)
Matt;
If they find that they can’t win by dealing with the facts in a straight forward manner, then they either obfuscate or outright lie. This has been going on for some time by the global warming faithful, but lately they have become more desperate. Bit by bit, the “climate war” is being lost by the AGW proponents.
Romm isn’t worth your time.
In Groupthink terms, Romm is a “mind guard.” (He keeps the sheep corralled.)
Gail,
More like Walter Mitty – living in a fantasy of his own making.
I think any cloud effect will be minor! Because on 911 when a flights over America were stopped and due to the lack of con tails, did the temperature during the day not rise, but during the night did it not fall? Basically cancelling it’s self out!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/22/joe-romm-demonstrates-himself-to-be-an-angry-know-nothing-in-his-attack-on-matt-ridleys-wsj-essay-ridley-responds/#comment-1180005
Yeah, he responds by trying to lure people to his website. In reply, I posted this at Bishop hill:
Mr. Ridley’s response sure has the markings of a Slam Dunk.
As an interested layman who’s been doubtful about AGW ever since Al Gore decided to build his big whomping house in California, kudos to both Mr. Ridley and the WSJ for shedding some much needed light on things.
The world needs more “truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” illumination, whether the subject matter be AGW or government in general.
Anthony, re your methane graph from IPCC. I suggest also putting the values in parts per million for those who may be misled by the large ppb numbers. Even IPCC’s largest estimate is only 2 ppm. Also, I would like to state that measuring abundances in ppb in the laboratory is difficult enough and it is totally unscientific to think that methane in the global atmosphere can be measured to this accuracy. The error bars should be probably +/- 10,000ppb (10ppm) or more. Any analytical chemists reading this?
Mr. Romm’s writing is vitriolic, full of ad-hominem attacks and devoid of logic. Mr. Ridley’s writing, on the other hand, strikes me as fair-minded and focussed on the science. If I can see that, being a layperson in regard to climate science, so will the majority of Americans, if they get a chance to see these two publications side by side. In a court of law, who do you think would look more credible to a jury? Strong going, Mr. Ridley!
In a beautiful and highly accurate observation in his WSJ piece, Mr. Ridley used the following sentence in referring to the IPCC :
“Unfortunately, this seems unlikely—given the organization’s record of replacing evidence-based policy-making with policy-based evidence-making, as well as the reluctance of academic scientists to accept that what they have been maintaining for many years is wrong.”
It seems to me, Mr. Ridley’s words can be nearly identically and very suitably applied to the US Congress (both D’s and R’s) as well as the entire Obama administration, if not politicians and federal bureaucrats in general…like so:
Unfortunately, this seem unlikely — given [Choose One: Congress’ / Obama’s / the Administration’s / EPA’s / etc… ] record of replacing evidence-based policy-making with policy-based evidence-making, as well as the reluctance of [ Congress / Obama / the Administration / etc… ] to accept that what they have been [ legislating / uttering / proposing / enforcing / etc…. ] for many years….is just flat out wrong.
Bob Koss says: December 22, 2012 at 8:28 am
Romm’s shrilly inaccurate diatribes are good PR for the skeptic side. I wonder if big oil is slipping him some funds on the side.
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If not big oil, big somebody.