Sandy and the presidential election

From Fox News, a surprising metric from exit polls. They write:

Many analysts felt that the arrival of Hurricane Sandy gave the president a boost last week by allowing him to display leadership in front of the American people, as well as taking away valuable campaigning days from Gov. Romney.

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Chris Christie’s bear hug didn’t help either.

President Obama in his acceptance speech:

“We want our children to live in an America that isn’t burdened by debt, that isn’t weakened by inequality, that isn’t threatened by the destructive power of a warming planet,”

Read the full transcript

Looks like “dirty weather” is here to stay because the public just can’t see past this monstrous fabrication. “Tabloid climatology” may be a new career path for many.

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Andrew30
November 7, 2012 8:41 am

Once the number of voters that derive all or part of their income from taxation outnumber the number of voters that are the subject of taxation the destination is inevitable.
People that derive income from taxation and return some of that taxation derived income to the government in fact pay no tax; they simply return an amount that will be given to them next year.
Socialism requires, and seeks to create, people that are dependant on income from taxation. It took 10 Trillion dollars to create the necessary dependants, the die is cast.
The United States will follow California on their voyage to the Mediterranean coast.
When will John Galt stand up?

Goode 'nuff
November 7, 2012 8:49 am

Since Smokey has come back to play in the sand box, I’m not going to sling sand.
I early voted, Virgil wasn’t on the ballot in Dogpatch, Arkansas.
I couldn’t vote for Romney because of inability or unwillingness to explain his tax plan. His China bashing would have shackled our economy in this globalised world while weakening the dollar. Great for that energy policy, huh? That’s why the energy sector is not terribly profitable here in the states, not lack of resources.
Wound up not voting for anybody. One libertarian in a lesser race and a handful of other things on the ballot.

Gary
November 7, 2012 8:53 am

Sandy hit blue states. I want to see how much it influenced the toss-up states before concluding it had an effect. The most important influence on the election was press malfeasance and collusion that suppresses information and “fact-checks” falsely. It’s a very hard to battle opponents coming from all sides.

commieBob
November 7, 2012 8:55 am

{joke}
Since Hurricane Sandy was an act of God, does that mean God intended Obama to win?
{/joke}
I’m as dismayed as everyone else here. It doesn’t really matter who won last night. We’re in deep doo-doo. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

DaveF
November 7, 2012 8:59 am

President Rubio 2016?

Gail Combs
November 7, 2012 9:01 am

Doug says:
November 7, 2012 at 6:53 am
The American people spoke. They elected a person who is misguided on global warming, but that is no reason not to respect democracy. If you know of a better system, I’d like to hear about it.
Railing against our constitutional government in action just damages the credibility of this fine site.
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It is not railing against our constitutional government, it is railing against our media that lies through their teeth to influence the man on the street on behave of the moneyed interests. Most people rely on the supposed unbiased journalists to bring them the truth. The cover-up of the skeptic side of the Global warming debate is just one of many many cover-ups by the media. For another example take the food safety scare used to stampede the public into accepting a law turning over control of US agriculture to the World TRADE Organization. ( the language is right there in the law see: SEC. 404. <> COMPLIANCE WITH INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS. )
SEE: USDA and food safety. That’s a joke, right? and link and link and link
Do you really think most people would condone what is happening in the US government if they knew the truth? If they knew who was actually controlling our government through $$$$?
Most of what we ‘know’ is propaganda and lies.
Out of all the elected US government reps in 100 years only a very few have addressed the core problem in the USA. President Andrew Johnson highlighted that problem in his State of the Union Address but you will not see any recent president do so, instead they address a trumped up strawmen like “global Warming!

State of the Union Address: Andrew Johnson (December 9, 1868
…It may be safely assumed as an axiom in the government of states that the greatest wrongs inflicted upon a people are caused by unjust and arbitrary legislation, or by the unrelenting decrees of despotic rulers, and that the timely revocation of injurious and oppressive measures is the greatest good that can be conferred upon a nation. The legislator or ruler who has the wisdom and magnanimity to retrace his steps when convinced of error will sooner or later be rewarded with the respect and gratitude of an intelligent and patriotic people.
Our own history, although embracing a period less than a century, affords abundant proof that most, if not all, of our domestic troubles are directly traceable to violations of the organic law
and excessive legislation….
At the beginning of the rebellion the bank-note circulation of the country amounted to not much more than $200,000,000; now the circulation of national-bank notes and those known as “legal-tenders” is nearly seven hundred millions. While it is urged by some that this amount should be increased, others contend that a decided reduction is absolutely essential to the best interests of the country.….
…Government, as early as may be consistent with the principles of sound political economy, to take such measures as will enable the holders of its notes and those of the national banks to convert them, without loss, into specie or its equivalent. A reduction of our paper circulating medium need not necessarily follow. This, however, would depend upon the law of demand and supply, though it should be borne in mind that by making legal-tender and bank notes convertible into coin or its equivalent their present specie value in the hands of their holders would be enhanced 100 per cent.
Legislation for the accomplishment of a result so desirable is demanded by the highest public considerations. The Constitution contemplates that the circulating medium of the country shall be uniform in quality and value. At the time of the formation of that instrument the country had just emerged from the War of the Revolution, and was suffering from the effects of a redundant and worthless paper currency….
…If depreciated paper is to be continued as the permanent currency of the country, and all our coin is to become a mere article of traffic and speculation to the enhancement in price of all that is indispensable to the comfort of the people, it would be wise economy to abolish our mints, thus saving the nation the care and expense incident to such establishments, and let our precious metals be exported in bullion. The time has come, however, when the Government and national banks should be required to take the most efficient steps and make all necessary arrangements for a resumption of specie payments…..
Specie payments having been resumed by the Government and banks, all notes or bills of paper issued by either of a less denomination than $20 should by law be excluded from circulation, so that the people may have the benefit and convenience of a gold and silver currency which in all their business transactions will be uniform in value at home and abroad. Every man of property or industry, every man who desires to preserve what he honestly possesses or to obtain what he can honestly earn, has a direct interest in maintaining a safe circulating medium–such a medium as shall be real and substantial, not liable to vibrate with opinions, not subject to be blown up or blown down by the breath of speculation, but to be made stable and secure. A disordered currency is one of the greatest political evils. It undermines the virtues necessary for the support of the social system and encourages propensities destructive of its happiness; it wars against industry, frugality, and economy, and it fosters the evil spirits of extravagance and speculation. It has been asserted by one of our profound and most gifted statesmen that–Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man’s fields by the sweat of the poor man’s brow. Ordinary tyranny, oppression, excessive taxation–these bear lightly on the happiness of the mass of the community compared with a fraudulent currency and the robberies committed by depreciated paper. Our own history has recorded for our instruction enough, and more than enough, of the demoralizing tendency, the injustice, and the intolerable oppression on the virtuous and well-disposed of a degraded paper currency authorized by law or in any way countenanced by government. It is one of the most successful devices, in times of peace or war, of expansions or revulsions, to accomplish the transfer of all the precious metals from the great mass of the people into the hands of the few, where they are hoarded in secret places or deposited under bolts and bars, while the people are left to endure all the inconvenience, sacrifice, and demoralization resulting from the use of depreciated and worthless paper.….

November 7, 2012 9:06 am

Before I make my comment, note that I’m not a supporter of either party. I voted for Gary Johnson. I am not a Barrack Obama supporter. That said, my two cents.
“We need to face the facts, it’s not 47% as Romney indicated, it’s over 50%. We’re finished…
You got the first part right. You and the GOP need to face facts. Many, probably a good 80% of those 47% don’t enjoy the fact they are getting assistance from the Government. They are taking assistance because they can’t find a job, or a combination of two part time jobs, that can pay at least some of the bills, keep a roof over their heads, and feed their families. By adopting this insulting 47% rhetoric, you insult a good chunk of the population who are honestly struggling and make them less likely to vote for you.
But, you might say, the GOP offered better solutions to create more jobs!
You offered solutions, but they weren’t believable. This country, and this party, have spent the last 30 plus years supporting free trade agreements that make it much much easier to export jobs overseas. Hell, part of the reason people still praise Nixon is that he helped open up the Chinese market, which resulted in many many businesses to move to China. How many times have we heard about businesses picking up and going to another country, and then have any number of the Conservatives explain that it’s a part of doing business. Why are Levi’s 501 jeans not made in America anymore? And Wall-Mart is great, except for many it is a reminder that they have no choice but to shop at the cheap store featuring mostly Chinese imports products that used to be made here in America, because they don’t have a good enough job or two jobs that pays enough to be able to afford to shop elsewhere. Now, one can’t blame the GOP exclusively for this of course, the Dems have their hand to play in this as well, but you guys chose a guy who for a good period of his professional life operated a business that actively shipped jobs overseas. So don’t blame 50 + percent of the country for not trusting your party when it comes to job creation.
This is a problem of reality overriding the preferred message. Earning more income from capital gains does not translate into bringing better, higher paying jobs back to this country, no matter who is in the oval office.
arthur4563 said this:
Since nobody asked, I’ll be glad to give my opinion of why the GOP has lost the last two Presidential elections. Both in 2008 and this year, their nominating system produced a Presidential nominee who did not have the wholehearted support of their own party – neither
McCain nor Romney had more than a quarter of the party’s support. And the reason this came about was because the GOP fielded almost a dozen prospective candidates, all of whom were conservatives except for one guy – in this case Romney – and the overwhelming conservative majority was split 10 or more ways, allowing a guy with less than 30% support from GOP party members to win a lot of winner-take-all primaries and get the nomination. The winner-take-all system is allowing this ridiculous situation to occur and those types of primaries should be banned. The GOP paid the price for using a non-democratic method of choosing their candidate. From my perspective, Gingrich was the only talent the GOP had…

You do realize Gingrich, during the primaries, was so great a candidate, he (along with a couple of others) managed the fun feat of not being properly registered to get on the ballot in his home state during the primaries. That’s called incompetence. The reason Romney won the primaries is that he is a very very good executive. The good ones don’t make stupid mistakes like Gingrich did. He seemed to be the only one who was doing this, running for office, because of a higher calling and not simply to stroke his ego or prove he was the ONE “True Conservative” , i.e. the most bad ass social conservative on the planet.
Here’s the deal as I see it. Did hurricane sandy make a difference in this race. It’s hard to say for sure. Mitts momentum did seem to be slowing before the storm hit. The storm quite possibly helped tip hurricane vulnerable states such as Virginia and possibly Florida in Obama’s favor. But go to the west. New Mexico, Nevada, and Colorado were likely affected negatively due to the schizophrenic nature of Arizona and its “True Conservative” solutions to the immigration issue. As a group, Mitt only got, what, 29% of the Hispanic vote? And I’m already seeing several well known and well respected Conservative talking head berating those Latinos who didn’t vote for Obama as either illegals, complicit with law-breakers, or just stupid when it comes to their own best self interest.
That’s no way to win elections, or plant a seed that will contribute to positive electoral outcomes in the future.

November 7, 2012 9:09 am

Whether Hurricane Sandy was caused, intensified, or not affected by AGW, it served a useful purpose, It reminded us of Mother Nature’s power relative you our own. Along with the other time-honored thought that “Science, and not Economics or Politics, is the field that seems to best understand the forces of Mother Nature” probably had some affect on the more thoughtful Americans among us.

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:15 am

Dalcio Dacol says:
November 7, 2012 at 6:40 am
If the only way to not “alienate” a group of voters is to promise them more free stuff then the other guy is doing, then the election is lost no matter who wins.

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:16 am

Olavi says:
November 7, 2012 at 6:42 am
Not believing that the money of the rich should be stolen so that others can spend it, is the equivalent of thinking the rich should have all the money?

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:18 am

Mark Hladik says:
November 7, 2012 at 6:46 am
I wouldn’t go that far. It may however be the last free and fair election.

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:19 am

Doug says:
November 7, 2012 at 6:53 am
You have no problem with one group of people voting to steal the earnings of another group?

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:21 am

Monty says:
November 7, 2012 at 7:08 am
So it’s more important to be relevant, than it is to be right?

Jaye Bass
November 7, 2012 9:22 am

[snip – original and this comment both off topic -mod]

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:24 am

beesaman says:
November 7, 2012 at 7:32 am
For the last 4 years Obama has refused to negotiate with anyone to his right. What makes you think he’ll start now?

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:27 am

Roger Knights says:
November 7, 2012 at 8:11 am
So why doesn’t the party institute instant-runoff voting in its primaries (where possible), so the ideological majority can converge on a single candidate?

For the same reason they refuse to adopt anything like this for the general election. They want to make sure that only the establisment candidate has a chance.

temp
November 7, 2012 9:29 am

MarkW says:
November 7, 2012 at 9:19 am
“You have no problem with one group of people voting to steal the earnings of another group?”
Thats what “democracy” is all about… anyone supporting democracy is railing against the US constitution.

MarkW
November 7, 2012 9:37 am

Michael J Alexander says:
November 7, 2012 at 9:06 am
Do you really believe that America is better off when we force our consumers to buy over priced and poorly made goods, just because they were made by some union stooge?
You are wrong for two reasons.
First, when American consumers save money of foreign goods, that money doesn’t just evaporate. It sits in the consumers pocket until he can spend it on something else. As a result jobs lost in one sector are countered by jobs gained in another. Overall, everyone is better off.
Secondly, when you restrict access of American companies to second rate, over priced goods, you make the output of those companies less successful in international markets. For every job saved, two or more are lost in other industries.
Free trade is what made this country great economically. The kind of protectionism you advocate has been the ruin of many once proud countries.
RE: capital gains. Are you really going to try and argue that restricting investment will have no impact on the number of jubs that are created.
RE: Gingrich. Even the DA of VA admitted that VA’s rules were written to ensure that only the candidate who was supported by the establishment could get on the ballot. You are blaming Gingrich for not being able to navigate rules that were written expressly to keep him out.
The reason why Romney won the nomination was because he outspent his opponents by 5 to 1 or more. Everytime he didn’t, he lost. He also had the support of all the party insiders who greased the wheels for him, changed the rules where necessary, sometimes after voting had taken place.

mfo
November 7, 2012 10:13 am

When Obama became president the US National debt was $9.986 trillion. As of November 1, 2012, the official debt of the United States government was $16.2 trillion ($16,221,685,381,838).This amounts to:
$51,616 for every person living in the U.S.
$136,682 for every household in the U.S.
That’s an increase of well over 50% in just four years. The present debt ceiling, the amount Congress allows the government, is $ 16.394 trillion. The debt is rising by about $ 3.8 billion each day.
Bloomberg has Obama’s ear and these are some of Bloomberg’s proposals:
“A $20-per-ton carbon price—collected as a tax or by auctioning carbon allowances……immediate reductions in short-lived potent greenhouse gases such as methane and some hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) can slow the rate of warming in the near term……regulations to address air pollution from oil and gas drilling will help, building on and extending the rules the EPA finalized earlier this year…..continue to accelerate the shift to renewable energy sources and increased energy efficiency through a host of measures….use existing EPA Clean Air Act authority to its fullest extent possible……….setting carbon-pollution emission standards for stationary sources, including new and existing power plants.”
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-05/a-climate-change-to-do-list-for-the-next-president#p1
The US has had four consecutive years of $ 1 trillion deficits. The real hockey stick is the projected rise in US debt under current policies:
http://justfacts.com/images/nationaldebt/debt_current-full.png

November 7, 2012 10:15 am

Keith AB says:
November 7, 2012 at 7:47 am
If I was to fly into Mexico and then walk across the Rio Grande into Texas without being caught would it then be OK for me to settle in the USA. I ask as serious guy who would love to move to the states, so much so that I would do so tomorrow if at all possible. It just seems strange that all liberals would allow unrestricted illegal immigration from the South yet support strict immigration controls on those coming from the old world.

You seem to have a mistaken idea of what the democrat immigration policy is. Under Obama the number of deportations of undocumented immigrants has reached a record high, an additional 600 miles of fencing has been installed on the Mexican border, unmanned drones are used to patrol the border. He also supports penalties on employers who knowingly employ undocumented workers.

Keitho
Editor
Reply to  Phil.
November 7, 2012 10:43 am

Thanks Phil and I do understand what you say, but is he right or wrong in doing what he does? The liberal/left argues for an amnesty and incorporation for all illegals on humanitarian grounds. My query , if that is the stance, is why have any immigration controls at all?

November 7, 2012 10:24 am

Gary says:
November 7, 2012 at 8:53 am
Sandy hit blue states. I want to see how much it influenced the toss-up states before concluding it had an effect.

The effect Sandy had on the election was to severely depress turnout in the states most effected (NJ, NY) which both apparently had record low turnouts for a presidential elections. Those states vote Democrat in any case. I had been told that Fox barely covered Sandy, preferring to cover Benghazi. I had no way to verify that since like many others in the effected areas I was without power for the week. Gov Christie a governor of a blue state with an election upcoming next year was smart enough to cooperate with the federal government which was helping his constituents

temp
November 7, 2012 10:31 am

Phil. says:
November 7, 2012 at 10:15 am
“Under Obama the number of deportations of undocumented immigrants has reached a record high,”
This is a pure propaganda lie. Just one of many posts about it.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/national-data-illegal-alien-deportations-have-not-skyrocketed-under-obama
“an additional 600 miles of fencing has been installed on the Mexican border,”
Which obama has opposed with every breath.
“unmanned drones are used to patrol the border.” Was done before obama.
“He also supports penalties on employers who knowingly employ undocumented workers.” Not really its talk at best. He has on the other hand gone after states who have passed laws doing this and has demanded that the laws be removed.

Spector
November 7, 2012 11:10 am

About the only way I can see Sandy being a serious factor in the election would be the possible impression created by some claims that Governor Romney was on the record for saying that he wanted to disband FEMA and perhaps get the federal government out of the disaster relief business. Those living under the threat of extreme weather events would be strongly opposed to anyone they thought to be in favor of reducing federal assistance for them in these cases.

November 7, 2012 11:25 am

temp says:
November 7, 2012 at 10:31 am
Phil. says:
November 7, 2012 at 10:15 am
“Under Obama the number of deportations of undocumented immigrants has reached a record high,”
This is a pure propaganda lie. Just one of many posts about it.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/national-data-illegal-alien-deportations-have-not-skyrocketed-under-obama

Since your own link shows that my statement is true I take it you will be retracting your false accusation?

November 7, 2012 11:28 am

Mark… I’m working. Will respond in a while.