The “Hurricane Sandy is caused by global warming” Tabloid Climatology™ affliction gets out of control on MSNBC in a Chris Matthews interview with Dr. Michael Oppenheimer:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Well Professor [Michael] Oppenheimer, back in the 60s, we calls such people pigs. Pigs. No, really. They don’t care about the planet, they don’t care about the destruction of war. All they want is what they got, their stuff, and they want more of it. Is that what we’re facing here, just greed? I’m not talking about the guy at the coal mind, that’s hard work. I’m talking about people who won’t listen to you, won’t listen to science because they want more stuff.
OPPENHEIMER: Listen, Chris, I’m not into name calling here. I think —
MATTHEWS: Well I am.
The hate is extraordinary. I wonder if Chris Matthews realizes that he just insulted a good portion of the USA populace that is skeptical about AGW?
And, with a salary of $5 million, I wonder how much “stuff” Chris Matthews has compared to the average viewer he foams to.
Watch the video at Real Clear Politics: Global Warming Deniers Are “Pigs”
Yeh? I am in rural Montana right now and we have a large, new international airport being built as we speak. The boar hogs practice down the runways and you can hear them going “oink, oink, oink, oink …….”. Day and night. it is discusting.
Monty says:
October 31, 2012 at 8:03 am
“Well the point is that extreme events (Sandy, droughts etc) are likely to become much more frequent in a warming world. SLR will make the storm surge from a Cat 1 the same as a more severe hurricane in the past. Which means that when a big hurricane hits, the effects will be that much more severe.”
You commit the classic fallacy of Begging the Question (Arguing in a Circle). You must first establish that tropical storm Sandy was an extreme event. You are using the media’s invention of the unscientific term “superstorm” as your only reason for calling Sandy an extreme event. If Sandy had come ashore in Florida it would have been treated as just another tropical storm. The damage suffered by New York City does not reach the level of a Category 1 hurricane, as I have explained in the following WUWT forum: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/29/tropical-storm-sandy/.
izen says:
October 31, 2012 at 8:25 am
“Back in the 1950s hurricane Sandy would have been a mid-strength hurricane that missed landfall on the US coast after doing its damage in the Caribbean. It would have degraded to tropical storm before it was north of Florida and dissipated in the Atlantic as it drifted eastward.”
What? It would have been a Category 3? What are you talking about? Upon landfall, Sandy became a tropical storm. The damage it created was typical of a tropical storm.
OT, but McKibbin is on the Michael Smerconish radio talk show (http://www.smerconish.com/stations/) right now.
Call in 877-464-1776.
izen says:
October 31, 2012 at 8:25 am
“So AGW did not cause hurricane Sandy, but it did increase its duration at near hurricane strength and divert its path onto the coast.”
So then, all the tropical depressions since the 1950’s should follow your hypothesis? And all the Category 1 should elevate to Cat 2, and Cat. 2 should elevate to Cat. 3, and so forth? Furthermore, they should all last longer as well? Looks to me like these most intense storms are well spread either side of the 1950’s
Hard to see any trend you are claiming.
Most Intense1 Hurricanes in the United States2
Rank Hurricane Year Category3
1 Florida Keys 1935 5
2 Camille (Miss./La./Va.) 1969 5
3 Katrina (La./Miss.)4 2005 3
4 Andrew (Fla./La.) 1992 5
5 Indianola, Tex. 1886 4
6 Florida Keys/Tex. 1919 4
7 Lake Okeechobee, Fla. 1928 4
8 Donna (Fla./Eastern U.S.) 1960 4
9 New Orleans, La. 1915 4
9 Carla (Tex.) 1961 4
11 Last Island, La. 1856 4
11 Hugo (S.C.) 1989 4
Read more: Most Intense Hurricanes in the United States — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0778121.html#ixzz2AtVEfj4K
Katrina: 1883 killed, $110 BILLION in damage. (Lot’s of oil platforms in that, refineries). About 13 million in the “affected” areas.
Sand: 60 killed, $25 BILLION in damage. (Less major industrial facilities RIGHT ON OR IN THE OCEAN), better evacuation. about 95 million affected.
HUM, can we say…people as Christie, and even (hate to say it) Bloomberg in NYC, had their HEADS TOGETHER compared to the SOUTH?
Let’s not forget our favourite Warmist hypocrite Prince Charles.
“Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales, says we should live with less to help the environment.”
Prince Charles owns 200 square miles of land known as the Duchy of Cornwall. Last year he made £17,796,000
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/28/prince-charles-income-taxpayers-rises
James Cameron LOL
Robert Redford 😉
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Has the world gone nuts, or is that bananas
I do believe it’s actually a herb not a fruit.They say as much in one of the captions.
Pigs? I call people like Mathews dimwits.
These storms were once far more frequent. And just as destructive in the 30′s when residential housing was discouraged in vulnerable areas and people who lived on the shore still had a sense of the dangers.
I couldn’t even stand landing on Chris’s channel so it is now blocked on the cable box.
Do you know what was the cause of the low Arcitc sea ice extent this year? Tip: storm
During the Moscow heatwave there was a cold wave in the East of Asia. Did global warming cause that?
Finally, did co2 cause the lack of warming over the last 16 years?
Did you know that the frequency of boreal forest fires has been decreasing since around 1850 as the world has warmed?
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2307/3237261/abstract
Extreme weather events – no trends
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jastp.2011.01.021
kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
October 31, 2012 at 7:03 am
“cold mind”
More likely audio to text software. There is also “we calls” in the second line. Chris M. might be a dolt (I’ve never watched his program and only know of him via reports of his doltishness), but these printing errors are probably just that.
Jews and Muslims don’t eat pigs because it’s unclean?
I, and other, think the reason for that is that water historical has been and still is a margin for that environment/climate/area?
Pigs are very water demanding in dry warm climate, SouthEastAsia is a wet warm climate area with lots of water.
So maybee it was orginal a choice between keeping alive pigs or Man in that area?
@ur momisugly izen
“Back in the 1950s hurricane Sandy would have been a mid-strength hurricane that missed landfall on the US coast after doing its damage in the Caribbean. It would have degraded to tropical storm before it was north of Florida and dissipated in the Atlantic as it drifted eastward.”
It would have taken you about 2 minutes with Google to have avoided putting that statement in print. It stuns me (although I don’t know why anymore) the things people throw out as ‘fact’ without ever doing any research into them. Here’s just a few (there are more) that hit the area long before there was any ‘AGW’. None of them seem to have ‘degraded to a tropical storm’ before they were ‘North of Florida’. The first couple occurred during the ‘Little Ice Age’.
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Tempest of 1609–At the time that the first ever colony in the United States was being developed, a strong hurricane menaced the Western Atlantic in the weeks following the departure of a fleet with 500 colonists left Great Britain for the New World. The ships then met with the maelstrom head on, and scattering all the vessels. Most were able to survive the onslaught of Mother Nature except for the flagship of the fleet, the Sea Venture, which was deposited in the infamous “Isle of Devils.” Nevertheless, those who were on the ship still managed to reach shore, and received a much better fate than those, who had already situated themselves in the colony. The story of the Sea Venture was the basis of William Shakespeare’s play, The Tempest.
1667–The Year Of The Hurricane–At a time when the Mid-Atlantic states of North Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland agreed to temporarily halt production of tobacco, a strong hurricane ripped through the Mid-Atlantic region on August 27th. While there was no recorded statistics such as where the storm made landfall, its track, and its forward speed and intensity. It destroyed 80 percent of the tobacco and corn while destroying some 15,000 homes in Virginia and Maryland.
Hurricane of October, 1749–The storm was perhaps one of the strongest storm ever in the Mid-Atlantic. According to Rick Schwartz, the hurricane produced a huge tidal surge of 15 feet. Based upon that observation, many experts believe that this system was a Category Four on the Saffir-Simpson Scale. It was responsible for creating Willoughby Spit, a small area of land near Norfolk that was inside the Chesapeake Bay.
Cape May Hurricane of 1821–The last major hurricane to make a direct landfall in the Garden State of New Jersey. This storm, which was a Category Four Hurricane, struck Cape May, New Jersey on September 3, 1821, and had hurricane force winds go as far west as Philadelphia while folks in New Jersey experienced wind gusts of up to 200 mph. The storm cut a path of destruction that is similar to that of the Garden State Parkway. More detailed information on this hurricane is at Greg Hoffman’s Real Lousy Weather Page.
The Hurricane of 1846–Referred to as “The Great”, used its northeast quadrant that caused havoc on the Delaware all the way up to Camden, New Jersey. This storm revealed the fact that Delaware Bay is open to southeast winds in the right quadrant, and water in the Bay would go upriver into cities such as Wilmington, Philadelphia, and Camden.
Atlantic Hurricane of 1893–Was a strong Category One Hurricane that struck New York City with 90 mph winds on August 24th of that year. Barometric pressure was only 29.23 inches of Hg, but it leved some one hundred trees in Central Park. The beach and piers on Coney Island was devastated. However, it wasn’t as bad as Hog Island, a sand spit off Rockaway Beach that was wiped off the map.
Hurricane Edna–Edna followed on the heels of Carol, and had a very similar track to Carol’s as it passed the Carolinas offshore on September 10, 1954. While the storm left minor damage and beach erosion for North Carolina, Edna ended up doing much more damage in New England after making landfall in Long Island.
Where renewable energy policies have been most aggressively implemented, that being in Britain, Germany, and Spain, the rich aren’t hurting (they’ve exploited the situation); it’s the poor who are suffering.
Anyway, even if we plutocrats were to give up our stuff, Asia won’t, so our gesture won’t any difference.
Ha! Chris Matthews, a proud and tingling member of the 1%!
Which in itself is a racist statement. Matthews should be ashamed.
On the other hand, it was last week that Republicans were claiming that Colin Powell’s endorsement of Obama was because they shared the same skin color, not Romney’s policies (which is what Powell cited in his reasoning)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/van-jones-wants-conservatives-to-apologize-to-al-gore-about-global-warming-after-superstorm-sandy-he-was-right/
I’m sorry Al.
I’m sorry to all the puppies too. And the frogs. And the glaciers. And all the Solyndra employees.
izen says: @ur momisugly October 31, 2012 at 8:25 am
“Back in the 1950s hurricane Sandy would have been a mid-strength1 hurricane that missed landfall2 on the US coast after doing its damage in the Caribbean. It would have degraded to tropical storm before it was north3 of Florida and dissipated in the Atlantic as it drifted eastward4.
It is the much5 warmer surface waters of the Atlantic that maintained and even strengthened the storm as it moved up the East American coast and the ‘wobble’6 in the jet stream that pushed7 it back onto the coast.
Both of these factors are the result of8 AGW.
So AGW did not cause hurricane Sandy, but it did increase its duration at near hurricane strength and divert its path onto the coast.
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This must be a record. Just 120 words and 8 significant errors, plus 2 repeats in the last 2 lines. To paraphrase Chris M., it makes be tingle.
[bolds are locations of errors; I do not fully explain these but if you need help – ask.]
“back in the 60s, we calls such people pigs. Pigs.”
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And what would they have called you back in the 60s, Chris? You are just a tiny bit over 30, you know, and a shill for the establishment.
The only reason Mathews has his gig on MSNBC is because he’s willing to call people names. That’s all they want him for. What do you call someone who’s willing to trample over others for one’s own personal wealth and fame?
Sage wisdom from the winner of the “Porky Pig” look-a-like contest.
This seems appropriate:
Of course, pigs are intelligent.
Matthews, not so much.
izen says:
“It is the much warmer surface waters of the Atlantic that maintained and even strengthened the storm as it moved up the East American coast and the ‘wobble’ in the jet stream that pushed it back onto the coast.
Both of these factors are the result of AGW.”
So, AGW caused the Gulf Stream and a trough to be moving in at the same time as Sandy? I think it would be more appropriate to chalk it up to Murphy’s Law than AGW.
According to NOAA:
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2012/al18/al182012.discus.025.shtml?
Oh, you might want to consider the lack of recent warming too:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/3-low-mid-lat-no-atl.png
What is Psychological Projection?
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-psychological-projection.htm
This simply demonstrates that CM is nothing but a entertainer and not all that good a one either.
Okay so it looks like, again, everyone missed the New England 1938 Hurricane (cat 2). Not nearly as much CO2 then:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=new+england+1938+hurricane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_New_England_hurricane