McIntyre's triumph over Gergis, Karoly, and Mann

I’m a bit late in covering this due to other issues of interest taking precedence, but I want to make sure this is widely known. We’ve covered the issue of the Gergis et al paleoclimatology paper this past summer, as well as noted the retraction, but the real action as usual, is behind the scenes in the emails, emails now made available via FOI thanks to Michael Kottek who posted this on Climate Audit to announce the emails were now available:

Posted Oct 28, 2012 at 7:04 AM | Permalink

The results of my FOI request to the University of Melbourne can be seen here:

http://tinyurl.com/96ey5dt

I requested all correspondence between the authors and the journal regarding the paper. The referees reports were exempted as were documents relating to the resubmitted paper.

I also requested correspondence between the authors after the paper was accepted. Once again emails relating to the resubmitted paper were exempted, and personal material redacted.

I note that emails regarding the paper that were received by one author and not forwarded to the others would not have been covered by my request.

Despite the embarrassment of the withdrawn paper, the University is to be commended for their no nonsense approach to this request. As an alumunus, I am pleased that the response is far more sensible than the approach taken by the UEA and UVa.

That’s true, because there appears to be no holding back of any important correspondence. Here’s some select portions.

Karoly’s first technical response (June 7 Melbourne) to Neukom’s confession was a surprisingly strong endorsement of criticism of non-detrended correlation, going as far as to even agree with [McIntyre] by name:

”If the selection is done on the proxies without detrending ie the full proxy records over the 20th century, then records with strong trends will be selected and that will effectively force a hockey stick result. Then Stephen Mcintyre criticism is valid”.

And then there’s this from Gergis

[…]

”Over recent days we have been in discussion with colleagues here in Australia and internationally about the use of detrended or non detrended data for proxy selection as both methods are published in the literature .

People have argued that detrending proxy records when reconstructing temperature is in fact undesirable (see two papers attached provided courtesy of Professor Michael Mann) .

While anthropogenic trends may inflate correlation coefficients, this can be dealt with by allowing for autocorrelation when assessing significance. If any linear trends ARE removed when validating individual proxies, then the validation exercise will essentially only confirm the ability of the proxies to reconstruct interannual variations. However, in an exercise of this nature we are also intrinsically interested in reconstructing longer-term trends. It therefore appears to be preferable to retain trends in the data, so that we are also assessing the ability of the proxies to reconstruct this information.”

And this admission from co-author Phipps:

Based on the various emails circulated over the past few days, it appears that we will not have a viable millennial-scale reconstruction if we pursue the detrended approach. I therefore feel that we should use the raw data to validate the proxies…

My preference is therefore for David’s Option 2, with Option 1 as my second choice. I dislike Option 3 as it will not leave us with a viable reconstruction. I also dislike Option 4 as it strikes me as essentially starting again from scratch – which seems unnecessary given how far this work has already progressed, and also seems out of proportion to what is only a matter of fixing a technical issue.

Mann, in correspondence with the authors Gergis and Karoly, in his typical style tried to sell a collection different workarounds for the problems they brought on themselves, and in the end, his advice was rejected, the JC editors told the authors the paper was not viable, and the authors were forced to withdraw the paper. Full stop.

Journal of Climate editor Chiang wrote:

After consulting with the Chief Editor, I have decided to rescind acceptance of the paper- you’ll receive an official email from J Climate to this effect as soon as we figure out how it should be properly done. I believe the EOR has already been taken down.

Also, since it appears that you will have to redo the entire analysis (and which may result in different conclusions), I will also be requesting that you withdraw the paper from consideration. Again, you’ll hear officially from J CLimate in due course. I invite you to resubmit once the necessary analyses and changes to the manuscript have been made.

I hope this will be acceptable to you. I regret the situation, but thank you for bringing it to my prompt attention.

The end result of the AMS putting the authors on notice, plus the admissions in the emails, rather puts this early defamatory remark from Dr. Mann in perspective:

Well I’m afraid Mclntyre has probably already leaked this anyway. I probably don’t have to tell you this, but don’t trust him to behave ethically or honestly here, and assume that anything you tell him will be cherry-picked in a way that maximally discredits the study and will be leaked as suits his purposes.

Read the whole episode here at Climate Audit.

It should be noted that commenter Jean S. contributed the first valid critique, which then later grew into this full retraction. Kudos to him too.

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MangoChutney
October 31, 2012 12:57 am

but don’t trust him to behave ethically or honestly here, and assume that anything you tell him will be cherry-picked in a way that maximally discredits the study and will be leaked as suits his purposes.

Does this make Mann a conspiracy theorist?

kim
October 31, 2012 1:06 am

It’s broccoli, my Dear.
Well, I say it’s spinach and I say detrend the Hell out of it.
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kim
October 31, 2012 1:12 am

Gergis stood on burning dreck
Nose in air at ‘What the Heck?’
Jean S,
Genius,
Wafted roses by the peck.
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DirkH
October 31, 2012 1:15 am

Why do they select proxies in the first place?

wayne Job
October 31, 2012 1:23 am

This seems to show the full hockey team are still trying to pull shifties even after climate gate 1 and 2 . I think the words of the old song say it all ‘When will they ever learn”

Kaboom
October 31, 2012 1:25 am

OUCH!
That’s really got to hurt….. bonus points for showing Mann’s involvement. Steve McIntyre is one of the heroes of the Revolution!
Do these people have any personal, ethical or scientific shame at all?

Otter
October 31, 2012 1:30 am

Mango ~ most likely! But it also makes him a {snip}
There. Saved the mods several paragraphs worth of [snip]ing.
Next question: how many years will we be hearing how the gergis paper proved mann’s frau- errr, work?

David, UK
October 31, 2012 1:47 am

Mann: I probably don’t have to tell you this, but don’t trust [McIntyre] to behave ethically or honestly here, and assume that anything you tell him will be cherry-picked in a way that maximally discredits the study and will be leaked as suits his purposes.
Projection n In Psychoanalytic Theory, the defense mechanism whereby one transfers or projects feelings about oneself onto another.

October 31, 2012 1:57 am

You see *this* as a victory?…. Sad. Just sad.

October 31, 2012 2:14 am

It’s simple.
Don’t do stats.
Use well-calibrated measurements.
When facts aren’t available, don’t pretend to make “science” from your fantasies.
Just go home and take a nap.

mikep
October 31, 2012 2:16 am

Jean S is a he no a she, He is a statistician from Finland and hs pseudonym is short for Jean Sbelius

Matt
October 31, 2012 2:22 am

I think you missed this (failed) FOI request saga:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/29/boaden_tribunal_information_refusal/

Bloke down the pub
October 31, 2012 2:24 am

It’s not suprising Mann wanted them to use the non-detrended data as he could use that as evidence that 97% of climate scientists use the same (dodgy) methods as he does.

Paul Matthews
October 31, 2012 2:34 am

Small correction: Jean S should be referred to as “he”.

temp
October 31, 2012 2:45 am

Otter says:
October 31, 2012 at 1:30 am
“Next question: how many years will we be hearing how the gergis paper proved mann’s frau- errr, work?”
Probably many since the IPCC AR5 desperately needs to this to the panic going. The chance of this paper in some form being included is insanely high. They will figure out a way to slip it in its just a matter of how. Should at least be somewhat entertaining to see the massive list of excuses they use to pull it off.

Ryan
October 31, 2012 2:50 am

What is horrifying here is the extent to which Mann is able to influence severely the work of other scientists in the same field, effectively ensuring that they replicate his own mistakes. It is quite clear the Mann is a bully of the highest order and has cajoled many scientists working on tree-ring data to follow his lead and fudge the data according to his instruction to achieve similar results, without even any reference to the fudges being made.
There was a time when teams of scientists in different institutions were effectively in competition with each other. They raced to publish papers to “be the first” to discover some new fact. They picked apart the findings of competing institutions as a sport. This is the kind of science upon which the reputations of great British and American universities were based. Now it seems climatology doesn’t work like this. It is a kind of international club where the only qualification for membership is full agreement in public with Dr Michael Mann.

harold
October 31, 2012 2:53 am

Nice to see this here Anthony. Jean S(ibelius) is a gentleman by the way, unlike Michael Mann.

handjive
October 31, 2012 2:56 am

Dr Joelle Gergis talks 1000 years of climate data in Australasia on ABC 24:
http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/studio/ep-149
This link from the excellent blog, bunyipitude:
http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/karolygate-i.html
(see karolygate III)

Alan the Brit
October 31, 2012 3:22 am

Deja vu? “Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!”

igsy
October 31, 2012 3:34 am

Kudos to him. Jean S is a him.
Glad to see this saga on WUWT.

October 31, 2012 3:58 am

Mann would be well suited to bare the name of being an Environmental Fascist, as a new book has just been titled. S.McIntyre is an honest, intelligent and diligent pursuer of the truth. Where Mann can only be described as being directly opposite, The Attitude and malice demonstrated by Mann is appalling and disgraceful.

Man Bearpig
October 31, 2012 4:05 am

DirkH says:
October 31, 2012 at 1:15 am
Why do they select proxies in the first place?
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What a very valid question! There are entire temperature records for the 20th century from more than just a few trees. Why could this not have been bolted on the end of the proxy record – perhaps in a different colour. Why did they only bolt on from 1960 + or whenever ?

mfo
October 31, 2012 4:09 am

“The removal of the Gergis paper had been noted in a comment at RC (June 8 15:50 blog time; June 9 03:50 Melbourne). Another RC commenter pointed out to Schmidt that the problem had been discovered at CA:
“Gavin – you ought also to mention that the problem was discovered at the Climate Audit blog
“Mann appears to have contacted Karoly soon afterwards, as, within 10 minutes of sending this email to me, Karoly forwarded the email to Mann, with a covering note that the comment at RC about removal was correct. Even though Karoly had told Mann about the error, Mann reverted to Karoly that Mann and the other RC authors would falsely tell RC readers that they had “no further information” on the retraction of the paper from the journal website and that he would involve Schmidt and Steig in the plan:
“We have simply noted at RC in the comments that the paper does appear to have been retracted from the AMS website, and we have no further information as to why. I will share this w/ Eric and Gavin so they know the status,
“Mann also made defamatory remarks about me to Karoly:
“Well I’m afraid Mclntyre has probably already leaked this anyway. I probably don’t have to tell you this, but don’t trust him to behave ethically or honestly here, and assume that anything you tell him will be cherry-picked in a way that maximally discredits the study and will be leaked as suits his purposes.
“Karoly pointed out to Mann (2K:55 11:19 Melbourne) that there was discussion at CA of the announcement here. Karoly told Mann that they had a “fully-documented” record demonstrating their priority over CLimate Audit:
“PS We do have a fully-documented record or who, when and how the data processing issue was identified by a member of the author team independent of, and before, any posts on this issue at CA or other web sites.
“Needless to say, no such “fully-documented record” was disclosed to Michael Kotteck.”
http://climateaudit.org/2012/10/28/gergis-et-al-correspondence/
This shows the insidious influence of Mann on climate science. It makes you wonder exactly what is in the UVa emails which Mann and the UVa are so keen to keep secret. It is why disclosure of those emails in the defamation lawsuits Mann is involved in is crucial in helping to establish the true nature of Mann’s character, his science and his behavior towards his colleagues and his critics.

Jimbo
October 31, 2012 4:51 am

It should be noted that commenter Jean S. contributed the first valid critique, which then later grew into this full retraction. Kudos to her too.

I don’t know whether Jean S is a climate scientist but I do know that Steve McIntyre is not. The above episode clearly illustrates the fact that you don’t need to be a climate scientist to find genuine flaws in their work. You don’t have to be a climate scientist to point out when the pal peer review process fails.

peter Miller
October 31, 2012 5:10 am

If only all Mannian, Gergis and Hansen ‘research’ papers could be properly audited, and not pal reviewed, before publication, then I suspect the Global Warming Industry would experience a process of massive contraction.
We should all be grateful for the likes of Steve and Anthony helping to keep the industry honest.

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