Weekend open thread

I’ve got lots of work to do this weekend, so I’ll leave it to you folks to entertain yourselves for awhile.

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DirkH
October 28, 2012 8:21 am

Jan P Perlwitz says:
October 28, 2012 at 5:40 am
“I see. Mr. Coal-Magazine Editor is in his element again, this time in response to my comment on the fraudulent Oregon Petition: Lying and smearing. ”
That’s a better description that better fits the IPCC reports; with their papering over of uncertainties in the summary for policymakers – and working towards a predetermined conclusion.
Mr. Perlwitz, how do you justify drawing conclusions from simulations of chaotic systems over 100 years? Where is your proof for the predictive skill of climate models over, say 5 years, just to name a number?
The fraudulent organisation has always been the IPCC, set up with the express purpose of pretending to draw conclusions about something they knew full well they could make NO assessment about.

Kelvin Vaughan
October 28, 2012 8:45 am

clipe says:
October 27, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Coincidentally I’m not perfect either.

davidmhoffer
October 28, 2012 8:49 am

Jan P Perlw1tz
I see. Mr. Coal-Magazine Editor is in his element again, this time in response to my comment on the fraudulent Oregon Petition: Lying and smearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
He defied anyone to interpret your own words in any other way, which is hardly a lie or a smear. Your response begins by trying to associate him with the coal industry in what is clearly a smear attempt. Then you proceed to call the Oregon Petition fraudulent, but have presented zero evidence that would support such an assertion, so your assertion is either another smear, or an outright lie. Following which you complain about people lying and smearing! Have you no shame? Or do you simply not understand your own writing?
Are you going to answer my question about winters with little snow and late spring?

JPeden
October 28, 2012 9:21 am

Jan P Perlwitz says:
October 28, 2012 at 5:40 am
“What are “warmunists” and who are the “warmunists” who have carried out similar polls to counter the Oregon Petition in support of their “cause” and have failed with those attempts? Please provide proof of source for what you state as alleged fact.”
Once again the more relevant question to you is: where are the successful analogous “Petitions” on the part of mainstream Climate Scientists which establish what you would consider a valid Climate Science consensus? So far there are no successful mainstream Climate Science predictions and no analogous but “successful” Climate Science consensus in evidence. So far what remains is only a massive “perception is reality” Propaganda Operation on the part of mainstream Climate Science, enc., which merely proclaims “consensus” and CO2 = CAGW “climate change”.

P Walker
October 28, 2012 11:16 am

I too miss Smokey and hope he’s ok .

littlepeaks
October 28, 2012 11:19 am

OK — different subject —
October 15 Chemical & Engineering News has an interesting article on the effects of sequestration, entitled “Billions at Risk in Budget Cuts”. Some of the figures of first-year sequester are cuts of $456,000,000 for the National Science Foundation, $46,000,000 for EPA, and $763,000,000 for NASA. The chart is entitled “Deadlock-Inflicted Pain”.

Pamela Gray
October 28, 2012 11:30 am

Every time I see one of those Miller documovies, I swear I will never attach another pair of skies to my feet ever again! A case in point I only did it once and stayed attached to the tow rope. Two times down the barely sloping hill and I was done. I returned to the warmth of the lodge and drink, to watch, for lack of a better descriptor, nutcases screaming down incredible steep and bumpy hills to the bottom, turning just in time to keep from crashing into the stone exterior of the lodge. These people must have hit their heads way to many times on that hard ski-packed snow surface. Face planting a dive into water hurts less than bouncing your head on that surface!

Pamela Gray
October 28, 2012 11:32 am

to, too, two. Reminds me that I have had too cups of “coffee” this mornin.

Brendan H
October 28, 2012 11:46 am

P Walker: ‘I too miss Smokey and hope he’s ok.’
Perhaps we should send out a search party. He was an interesting fellow — a sort of Boy Scout with charts. Some people found him a little difficult, but he and I had a mostly good relationship, and I was able to help him through some of his difficulties in getting his head around things climate.
He was not obviously grateful, though; one of his less endearing traits.
But we should not speak ill of the dead, especially of one taken so young.
The board just seems empty now. None of the current posters can match him for sheer style and panache.

October 28, 2012 11:57 am

Gunga Din says:
October 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Does anyone have a link to a relatively simple timeline of the CAGW? “Who said what when” kind of stuff.
Thanks in advance.
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Thanks again to all who have tried to help.
I’ve been thinking of a parody to “American Pie” but don’t know the timeline and all the names, only that CAGW is a deception. (It’s a bit cold outside today.)
No promises. This might be the refrain if I ever do the whole thing.
{Refrain}
So, bye-bye, Miss, we’re all gonna die!
Drove my chevy to the levee
But the battery caught fire.
And them good old boys try to hide the decline
Singin’, “CO2’s on the rise!”
“CO2’s on the rise!”
PS Anyone who wants to continue with the idea is welcome. (Elmer?)

DirkH
October 28, 2012 12:41 pm

Brendan H says:
October 28, 2012 at 11:46 am
“and I was able to help him through some of his difficulties in getting his head around things climate.”
Big words. You surely have a link to a comment of yours where you do exactly that.

D Böehm
October 28, 2012 12:49 pm

DirkH,
I would also like to see a link to a comment where Brendan H didn’t come up short in the exchange.

October 28, 2012 12:56 pm

P Walker says:
October 28, 2012 at 11:16 am
I too miss Smokey and hope he’s ok .
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Same here for Smokey and Gail Combs.
Hopefully they’ve been busy elsewhere. (This is an election year here in the US.)

hanserren
October 28, 2012 1:33 pm

WRT wikipedia Leroux ethnic cleansing, I noticed that the Leroux defender “Africangenesis indef banned from CC”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

davidq
October 28, 2012 1:57 pm

Saw a comment or two about snow, here is a quick update that hint about the winter to come:
From Rutgers University Global Snow Lab. Havn’t seen this much snow in a long while.
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2012&ui_day=301&ui_set=2

u.k.(us)
October 28, 2012 2:16 pm

Yep, Smokey is dearly missed.
I hope….. we might see a return.

Pamela Gray
October 28, 2012 2:28 pm

What’s for supper?
Seasoned barbequed trout in a savory tomato base with roasted vegetables, fresh homemade bread drizzled with honey butter, a rich ale to wash it all down, and baked apples with ice cream for dessert.
Yum yum!

Sean
October 28, 2012 3:16 pm

Jan P Perlwitz says: I am a troll.
Readers respond: go away troll, you have your own site to bash WUWT and post egregious lies on, it is not our fault that you have no traffic…
Anthony Watts says: lay off the troll.
Readers wonder: when Jan was born, how many time did the doctor drop him on his head?

October 28, 2012 3:24 pm

Pamela Gray said:
October 28, 2012 at 2:28 pm
…baked apples with ice cream for dessert. Yum yum!
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Lucky! I recently found out I have diabetes 🙁

Pamela Gray
October 28, 2012 5:23 pm

My grandparents raised me. Grandma was a brittle diabetic and Grandpa was a diet-controlled diabetic. I learned to cook all kinds of sugar-free stuff. Even made homemade ice cream without sugar. We had baked apples all the time. All prepared without sugar. We stuffed the core with natural dried fruit and butter and poured bannana sweatened cream over the top.

Pamela Gray
October 28, 2012 5:33 pm

Bake the apples first. The last 10 minutes or so, stuff the core with butter, dried fruit and nuts. When the apples are done, transfer to individual dishes and pour the sweetened cream on them.

October 28, 2012 5:47 pm

In reply to Jan P Perlwitz says:October 28, 2012 at 4:28 am
My posting is about the criteria for evaluating the evidence for catastrophic global warming. I will provide examples as time permits, starting with the claim in WGII SPM

In some countries, yields from rain-fed agriculture could be reduced by up to 50% by
2020

As somebody, like Tamino who uses the term “Fake Skeptic“, I should point out that I view it as a term of intolerance. Furthermore, I would like to know what dictionary you get the definition of “sceptic” from. My Oxford English Dictionary, compiled by the world’s leading experts, disagrees with you.

October 28, 2012 6:16 pm

Weber grilled chicken (indirect method) w/Rosemary, salt and a chunk of birch on the charcoal. Lettuce wedge with blue cheese, grilled zuchini and brown rice.

Spector
October 28, 2012 6:50 pm

If a group of people develop a self reinforcing ideology that they are the heroic fighters to save the planet from the evils of carbon consumption and the “science is settled” on this issue because everyone they respect says so, then they may feel a self-righteous, prejudicial contempt for any who dares to doubt their cause. Somehow we need to find a non-confrontational way to open their minds to the possibility that they may be wrong, that carbon dioxide may not be as exponentially dangerous as they have come to believe.

October 28, 2012 8:36 pm

Richdo says:
October 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Interesting presentation on wind dependent emissivity of sea water.
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What exactly is the wind dependent emissivity of seawater? The wind chill effect? The greater surface area evaporation efficiency of whitecaps and even waves themselves? We already know that thermal emissivity from the ocean to the atmosphere is a one way street. Yet the oceans (so far) appear to have continued warming, while the atmosphere clearly has not.

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