Given the above thread on an almost surreal agitprop song this seems a proper place to post this.
The excerpt below is from Cabaret, the film, and it caused such outrage, particularly in the UK, that the producers effectually suppressed it for nearly thirty years.
It is of course a purely cod anthem intended to satirise the Fascist ethos whilst showing its hollow nature. But it resonated because, I suppose, like all the best lampoons it cut too close to the bone for comfort.
Whatever. But you might notice how close to modern Green Eco Puritanism it is.
Otherwise please to forgive the slightly wobbly cross cutting by the then assistant [unpaid] to the second editor when it turned out two days before release that neither continuity or colour balance were correct. Which caused a panic.
Excerpt here
: http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=ytff1-tyc7&p=tomorrow%20belongs&type=
Kindest Regards
a jones
October 27, 2012 9:08 pm
Sorry Mods link failure, this system is playing up at the moment.
The correct You tube link is:
Perhaps a better title for the video I previously posted, Polar shift of the MOON Captured on film
would be;
Earth Based Polar Shift Influence on the MOON Captured on Film
I do believe it has a lot of valid information.
Turning to Geo Engineering, which I think they are doing with Frankenstorm 2.0 and per the documented visual evidence in that video I posted at 12:27PM, I find this smoking gun;
Aerosol Geoengineering and Hurricane Modification Program Run by Homeland Security
Based on USGS location from link above, EQ would appear to be associated with the Queen Charlotte fault – a right lateral transform fault on the Pacific – North American plate boundary, north of the Cascadia subduction zone. Would be analogous the San Andreas fault , also right lateral transform fault on the Pacific – North American plate boundary, but south of the Cascadia subduction zone.
Wiki link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Charlotte_Fault
Wow – just looking at link for first time – looks like someone has already edited the page & added this event to it . Real time updates!
Jeff L says:
October 27, 2012 at 9:36 pm
“Totally changing subjects, big earthquake in British Columbia this evening :”
I saw that on The Weather Channel. There is no way the USA could handle anymore huge natural disasters given the USA’s economic condition. The most greatest threat to National Security of the USA is the state of our economy.
Brian S
October 27, 2012 10:18 pm
vigilantfish says:
October 27, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I haven’t seen any sign of Smokey lately and I miss his wit, vigour, and graphics links. I hope he’s o.k.
Ditto, but I saw one short Smokey post a few days back. Otherwise nothing since before the last Open Thread Weekend when Louis H???? noted his absence.
Gilbert Mercier: “Frankenstorm: Wakeup Call on Governments’ Criminal Inaction on Climate Change” … “Our lack of foresight, arrogance and the criminal inaction of corrupt governance motivated by greed has opened Pandora’s box releasing Frankenstorm: a monstrous child of our own making.” http://tinyurl.com/9q3ec85
—————————–
Sheesh!
D Böehm
October 28, 2012 12:14 am
Open Thread:
No one likes us — I don’t know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows, we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let’s drop the big one, and see what happens
We give them money — but are they grateful?
No, they’re spiteful and they’re hateful
They don’t respect us — so let’s surprise them!
We’ll drop the big one and pulverize them
Asia’s crowded and Europe’s too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada’s too cold
And South America stole our name
Let’s drop the big one
There’ll be no one left to blame us
We’ll save Australia
Don’t wanna hurt no kangaroo
We’ll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin’, too
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We’ll set everybody free
You’ll wear a Japanese kimono babe
And there’ll be Italian shoes for me
They all hate us anyhow
So let’s drop the big one now
Let’s drop the big one now
Randy Newman, Political Science
D Böehm says:
October 28, 2012 at 12:14 am
“Asia’s crowded and Europe’s too old […]
Randy Newman, Political Science”
When I hear people like Randy Newman or Noam Chomsky utter their larmoyant drivel it tells me more about the age and health of the author than about the world.
davidmhoffer:
At October 27, 2012 at 4:36 pm you write to Jan P Perlw1tz;
You and I have had more than one spat in this forum Jan. Putting aside who won or who lost each one, you responsed to the issues I raised, sometimes in considerable detail. Apparently I know enough to bother debating with? You could try arguing that you won all of our exchanges, but I think you know that’s just not true.
I observed those engagements and I hope your boot was not damaged by his rear end.
Richard
Vigilantfish: ‘I haven’t senn Smokey lately…I hope he’s o.k.’
Sadly, Smokey was never really OK, but that was part of his charm.
I’d heard he succumbed to heat exhaustion on one of his philanthropic quests to the third world.
Whatever the case, we won’t see his like again. Certainly, none of the more frequent posters on the board sound remotely like our late friend.
Warmunists have tried to counter the Oregon Petition by obtaining similar polls which support their cause. All such attempts have failed
What are “warmunists” and who are the “warmunists” who have carried out similar polls to counter the Oregon Petition in support of their “cause” and have failed with those attempts? Please provide proof of source for what you state as alleged fact.
Roger Knights
October 28, 2012 4:24 am
The Oregon Petition establishes one point at a minimum: that opposition to the CACA Cult isn’t necessarily based on an inability to understand science or an unfamiliarity with it. But that is the thesis of Eugenie Scott and her CSICOP-affiliated organization.
The central issue of evidence for projected catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is how that evidence is evaluated. The “consensus” method, led by the UNIPCC, is to evaluate evidence on how well it fits with the hypothesis. If it fits, then the evidence is accepted (and in cases exaggerated). If it contradicts the CAGW hypothesis, then the evidence is anti-science.
Since you make an explicit statement here about projections led by the IPCC I suppose you talk about official documents published, such as Volume 1, “The Physical Science Basis”, of the IPCC Report 2007 [*]. Please could you point me to the specific pages, paragraphs, lines in the IPCC Report where I can find those statements about this “catastrophic anthropogenic global warming”, for which, according to you, the evidence was cherry-picked, depending on whether it supports or doesn’t support those statements?
Thanks so much!
[*] http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/contents.html
Pretty cold here in the UK. CET for October is already running at 1.1C below 1981-2010 average and getting colder.
YTD is also running 0.2C colder than normal, despite a mild start to the year.
CET figures are below. (They still show 1961-90 baseline, which is about 0.5C colder than 1981-2010. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html
I defy anybody to read his entire post and to reach any other understanding of his words I quote than the following sentence.
Only people who – like Perlw1tz – are making a living from the AGW-scare can have a valid opinion on AGW whether or not they have any training in the sciences.
I see. Mr. Coal-Magazine Editor is in his element again, this time in response to my comment on the fraudulent Oregon Petition: Lying and smearing. Lying about what I said and smearing regarding what I do professionally.
Julian Flood
October 28, 2012 6:26 am
Philip Bradley says: October 27, 2012 at 6:52 pm
quote
Richdo says:
October 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm
”
Interesting presentation on wind dependent emissivity of sea water, a bit dated perhaps but I had never seen it…
”
Increased wind = increased waves = increased ocean surface = increased emissivity
No mention of increased evaporation, which would also occur.
And wind speeds have increased over the last 2 decades.
unquote
Up to a point. However, it may be that you have not allowed for other factors.
In March this year I observed an ocean smooth off Portugal which was hundreds of miles long and at least a hundred miles wide. Most of that area was smoothed (oil probably, but I would not rule out surfactant pollution) with rivers of smoothed surface snaking out into clean, ruffled water. Outside the smooth there were breaking waves, which I’d guess were indicative of about a Force 3/4 Beafort scale wind (call it 7 m/s), while within the smooth the surface remained glassy.
NASA calculated in 1994 (I can find no later estimates) that enough light oil is spilled onto the oceans each year to coat the surface several times over. The Arctic seas, Barents, Kara, Laptev and East Siberian, have light oil flowing down the major Siberian rivers equivalent to an Exxon Valdez slamming into the coast every five weeks. I have found no published figures for pollution from the North Slope of Alaska.
Now do the sums. Ignore, for the moment, the reduced evaporation of an oil or surfactant coated water surface, just look at the change in emissivity from a smooth to a clean 7m/s ruffled ocean. Then have a look at where the Arctic ice is melting.
The referenced paper says:
quote
intermediate conclusion: variations of oceanic wind speed have a
dominating influence on climate system, also in comparison with
doubling of atmospheric CO2-concentration (3.7 W/m²)
unquote
Another conclusion: oil/surfactant polltion is the equivalent of a drop in windspeed of up to 7m/s, reducing emissivity by an amount comparable to calculated CO2 warming. An oil-smoothed Arctic will cool slower as the nights draw in. Each year the problem will increase as the low temperatures discourage bacterial degradation of the pollution.
Enclosed seas (Andaman, Lake Tanganyika, Gulf of Mexico, Mediterranean) might usefully be checked for signs of this effect. I’ve seen smooths from end to end of the Med, seen a smooth snaking tens of miles to the horizon from Tenerife, seen the effects on the graphs of global temperature from 1939 to ’45 before they were smoothed and adjusted away.
The Kriegsmarine Effect is real and many-faceted. It should be examined and experiments should be carried out to establish its absolute value.
JF
(Who would quite like to see a detailed examination of the home waters of El Nino. What happens to the ocean/atmosphere boundary layer during the cycle?)
Friends:
At October 28, 2012 at 5:40 am the egregious Jan P Perlwitz says of me
I see. Mr. Coal-Magazine Editor is in his element again, this time in response to my comment on the fraudulent Oregon Petition: Lying and smearing. Lying about what I said and smearing regarding what I do professionally.
On the contrary.
1.
I am not a “Coal-Magazine Editor” although for a few years until 2002 I was the Contributing Technical Editor of CoalTrans International (i.e. the journal of international coal traders).
2.
The Oregon Petition is NOT “fraudulent in any way and Perlw1tz is lying and smearing when he says it is.
3.
I did not lie about what Perlw1tz wrote: I quoted him verbatim and I defied anybody to interpret his quoted words other than I did when they were taken in context. Perlw1tz has not disputed my quotation and has not stated any error in my interpretation. Importantly, nobody else has, either.
4.
I did not “smear” about what he does professionally. He claims to be an employee of NASA GISS and I said he is making a living from AGW and “his trough” (i.e. NASA GISS) with its “feed” being from taxpayers. Either he lies when he says he is employed by NASA GISS or he lies when he claims I have smeared about what he does professionally.
In summation, Perlwitz has made what is for him a typical post .
Richard
EVERBODY –
Take a Perlwitz Pause, including Mr. Perlwitz himself.
John West
October 28, 2012 7:58 am
Jan P Perlwitz says: “This is fraudulent because to be considered as qualified to sign the petition it is sufficient to only have a Bachelor of Science in any field of science. It is not at all required to have worked and published in the specific field of science, i.e, to really have acquired expertise on the theories in the field of climate,”
So, only Astrologists actively involved in horoscope generation are qualified to determine the legitimacy of horoscopes?
Or since your ilk tend to like to compare yourselves to the medical field: are only Chiropractors qualified to determine the legitimacy of chiropractic neck alignment therapy?
Given the above thread on an almost surreal agitprop song this seems a proper place to post this.
The excerpt below is from Cabaret, the film, and it caused such outrage, particularly in the UK, that the producers effectually suppressed it for nearly thirty years.
It is of course a purely cod anthem intended to satirise the Fascist ethos whilst showing its hollow nature. But it resonated because, I suppose, like all the best lampoons it cut too close to the bone for comfort.
Whatever. But you might notice how close to modern Green Eco Puritanism it is.
Otherwise please to forgive the slightly wobbly cross cutting by the then assistant [unpaid] to the second editor when it turned out two days before release that neither continuity or colour balance were correct. Which caused a panic.
Excerpt here
:
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=ytff1-tyc7&p=tomorrow%20belongs&type=
Kindest Regards
Sorry Mods link failure, this system is playing up at the moment.
The correct You tube link is:
Sorry about that.
Kindest Regards
Perhaps a better title for the video I previously posted, Polar shift of the MOON Captured on film
would be;
Earth Based Polar Shift Influence on the MOON Captured on Film
I do believe it has a lot of valid information.
Turning to Geo Engineering, which I think they are doing with Frankenstorm 2.0 and per the documented visual evidence in that video I posted at 12:27PM, I find this smoking gun;
Aerosol Geoengineering and Hurricane Modification Program Run by Homeland Security
Totally changing subjects, big earthquake in British Columbia this evening :
http://www.google.org/publicalerts/alert?aid=6329628a92646663&hl=en&gl=US&source=web
Tsunami warnings issued :
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/27/tsunami-warning-issued-after-77-earthquake-strikes-british-columbia/
Based on USGS location from link above, EQ would appear to be associated with the Queen Charlotte fault – a right lateral transform fault on the Pacific – North American plate boundary, north of the Cascadia subduction zone. Would be analogous the San Andreas fault , also right lateral transform fault on the Pacific – North American plate boundary, but south of the Cascadia subduction zone.
Wiki link :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Charlotte_Fault
Wow – just looking at link for first time – looks like someone has already edited the page & added this event to it . Real time updates!
Jeff L says:
October 27, 2012 at 9:36 pm
“Totally changing subjects, big earthquake in British Columbia this evening :”
I saw that on The Weather Channel. There is no way the USA could handle anymore huge natural disasters given the USA’s economic condition. The most greatest threat to National Security of the USA is the state of our economy.
vigilantfish says:
October 27, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I haven’t seen any sign of Smokey lately and I miss his wit, vigour, and graphics links. I hope he’s o.k.
Ditto, but I saw one short Smokey post a few days back. Otherwise nothing since before the last Open Thread Weekend when Louis H???? noted his absence.
Gilbert Mercier: “Frankenstorm: Wakeup Call on Governments’ Criminal Inaction on Climate Change” … “Our lack of foresight, arrogance and the criminal inaction of corrupt governance motivated by greed has opened Pandora’s box releasing Frankenstorm: a monstrous child of our own making.” http://tinyurl.com/9q3ec85
—————————–
Sheesh!
Open Thread:
No one likes us — I don’t know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows, we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let’s drop the big one, and see what happens
We give them money — but are they grateful?
No, they’re spiteful and they’re hateful
They don’t respect us — so let’s surprise them!
We’ll drop the big one and pulverize them
Asia’s crowded and Europe’s too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada’s too cold
And South America stole our name
Let’s drop the big one
There’ll be no one left to blame us
We’ll save Australia
Don’t wanna hurt no kangaroo
We’ll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin’, too
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We’ll set everybody free
You’ll wear a Japanese kimono babe
And there’ll be Italian shoes for me
They all hate us anyhow
So let’s drop the big one now
Let’s drop the big one now
Randy Newman, Political Science
Open Thread Weekend fun:
http://moonbattery.com/ineptocracy.jpg
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/iea_coal_power_plants_closed_usa.png
http://moonbattery.com/obama-columbia-ID.jpg
http://moonbattery.com/United-We-Stood.jpg
http://americandigest.org/obamgass.jpg
http://moonbattery.com/obama-report-card.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNSZ62xiD4M&feature=related
http://www.moonbattery.com/carter-obama-minime.jpg
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/MailAttachment.jpg
Open Thread Weeekend… Yocktoseconds!
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/10/15/what-happened-before-the-big-bang
D Böehm says:
October 28, 2012 at 12:14 am
“Asia’s crowded and Europe’s too old […]
Randy Newman, Political Science”
When I hear people like Randy Newman or Noam Chomsky utter their larmoyant drivel it tells me more about the age and health of the author than about the world.
davidmhoffer:
At October 27, 2012 at 4:36 pm you write to Jan P Perlw1tz;
I observed those engagements and I hope your boot was not damaged by his rear end.
Richard
vukcevic says: October 27, 2012 at 3:01 pm
……..
Link now REMOVED ! (due to a possible reference contravention)
Open Thread!:
http://moonbattery.com/rich-poor.jpg
Open Thread!:
http://moonbattery.com/des-moines-register-night-day.jpg
Vigilantfish: ‘I haven’t senn Smokey lately…I hope he’s o.k.’
Sadly, Smokey was never really OK, but that was part of his charm.
I’d heard he succumbed to heat exhaustion on one of his philanthropic quests to the third world.
Whatever the case, we won’t see his like again. Certainly, none of the more frequent posters on the board sound remotely like our late friend.
richardscourtney wrote in
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/27/weekend-open-thread-3/#comment-1125122
What are “warmunists” and who are the “warmunists” who have carried out similar polls to counter the Oregon Petition in support of their “cause” and have failed with those attempts? Please provide proof of source for what you state as alleged fact.
The Oregon Petition establishes one point at a minimum: that opposition to the CACA Cult isn’t necessarily based on an inability to understand science or an unfamiliarity with it. But that is the thesis of Eugenie Scott and her CSICOP-affiliated organization.
manicbeancounter wrote in
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/27/weekend-open-thread-3/#comment-1125180
Since you make an explicit statement here about projections led by the IPCC I suppose you talk about official documents published, such as Volume 1, “The Physical Science Basis”, of the IPCC Report 2007 [*]. Please could you point me to the specific pages, paragraphs, lines in the IPCC Report where I can find those statements about this “catastrophic anthropogenic global warming”, for which, according to you, the evidence was cherry-picked, depending on whether it supports or doesn’t support those statements?
Thanks so much!
[*] http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/contents.html
Pretty cold here in the UK. CET for October is already running at 1.1C below 1981-2010 average and getting colder.
YTD is also running 0.2C colder than normal, despite a mild start to the year.
CET figures are below. (They still show 1961-90 baseline, which is about 0.5C colder than 1981-2010.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html
richardscourtney wrote in
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/27/weekend-open-thread-3/#comment-1125344
I see. Mr. Coal-Magazine Editor is in his element again, this time in response to my comment on the fraudulent Oregon Petition: Lying and smearing. Lying about what I said and smearing regarding what I do professionally.
Philip Bradley says: October 27, 2012 at 6:52 pm
quote
Richdo says:
October 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm
”
Interesting presentation on wind dependent emissivity of sea water, a bit dated perhaps but I had never seen it…
”
Increased wind = increased waves = increased ocean surface = increased emissivity
No mention of increased evaporation, which would also occur.
And wind speeds have increased over the last 2 decades.
unquote
Up to a point. However, it may be that you have not allowed for other factors.
In March this year I observed an ocean smooth off Portugal which was hundreds of miles long and at least a hundred miles wide. Most of that area was smoothed (oil probably, but I would not rule out surfactant pollution) with rivers of smoothed surface snaking out into clean, ruffled water. Outside the smooth there were breaking waves, which I’d guess were indicative of about a Force 3/4 Beafort scale wind (call it 7 m/s), while within the smooth the surface remained glassy.
NASA calculated in 1994 (I can find no later estimates) that enough light oil is spilled onto the oceans each year to coat the surface several times over. The Arctic seas, Barents, Kara, Laptev and East Siberian, have light oil flowing down the major Siberian rivers equivalent to an Exxon Valdez slamming into the coast every five weeks. I have found no published figures for pollution from the North Slope of Alaska.
Now do the sums. Ignore, for the moment, the reduced evaporation of an oil or surfactant coated water surface, just look at the change in emissivity from a smooth to a clean 7m/s ruffled ocean. Then have a look at where the Arctic ice is melting.
The referenced paper says:
quote
intermediate conclusion: variations of oceanic wind speed have a
dominating influence on climate system, also in comparison with
doubling of atmospheric CO2-concentration (3.7 W/m²)
unquote
Another conclusion: oil/surfactant polltion is the equivalent of a drop in windspeed of up to 7m/s, reducing emissivity by an amount comparable to calculated CO2 warming. An oil-smoothed Arctic will cool slower as the nights draw in. Each year the problem will increase as the low temperatures discourage bacterial degradation of the pollution.
Enclosed seas (Andaman, Lake Tanganyika, Gulf of Mexico, Mediterranean) might usefully be checked for signs of this effect. I’ve seen smooths from end to end of the Med, seen a smooth snaking tens of miles to the horizon from Tenerife, seen the effects on the graphs of global temperature from 1939 to ’45 before they were smoothed and adjusted away.
The Kriegsmarine Effect is real and many-faceted. It should be examined and experiments should be carried out to establish its absolute value.
JF
(Who would quite like to see a detailed examination of the home waters of El Nino. What happens to the ocean/atmosphere boundary layer during the cycle?)
Friends:
At October 28, 2012 at 5:40 am the egregious Jan P Perlwitz says of me
On the contrary.
1.
I am not a “Coal-Magazine Editor” although for a few years until 2002 I was the Contributing Technical Editor of CoalTrans International (i.e. the journal of international coal traders).
2.
The Oregon Petition is NOT “fraudulent in any way and Perlw1tz is lying and smearing when he says it is.
3.
I did not lie about what Perlw1tz wrote: I quoted him verbatim and I defied anybody to interpret his quoted words other than I did when they were taken in context. Perlw1tz has not disputed my quotation and has not stated any error in my interpretation. Importantly, nobody else has, either.
4.
I did not “smear” about what he does professionally. He claims to be an employee of NASA GISS and I said he is making a living from AGW and “his trough” (i.e. NASA GISS) with its “feed” being from taxpayers. Either he lies when he says he is employed by NASA GISS or he lies when he claims I have smeared about what he does professionally.
In summation, Perlwitz has made what is for him a typical post .
Richard
EVERBODY –
Take a Perlwitz Pause, including Mr. Perlwitz himself.
Jan P Perlwitz says:
“This is fraudulent because to be considered as qualified to sign the petition it is sufficient to only have a Bachelor of Science in any field of science. It is not at all required to have worked and published in the specific field of science, i.e, to really have acquired expertise on the theories in the field of climate,”
So, only Astrologists actively involved in horoscope generation are qualified to determine the legitimacy of horoscopes?
Or since your ilk tend to like to compare yourselves to the medical field: are only Chiropractors qualified to determine the legitimacy of chiropractic neck alignment therapy?