Listen in on Mike Mann's legal wranglings at AGU

Steve McIntyre reports that the AGU is schlepping for Dr. Mann’s legal defense with a live audio webcast:

An Inside Look at the Michael Mann Case

Featuring Peter Fontaine, counsel to Michael Mann and a leader of Cozen O’Connor’s Brownfield Development and Climate Change practices

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I find this really, really, strange that the AGU would be sponsoring such a meeting. For those of you thinking about bailing out of AGU membership, this is probably your cue.

In an ironic twist, another Peter Fontaine (the actor, not the lawyer) was in this movie:

The Strange Case of Dr. Manning (1957)

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October 22, 2012 9:30 am

Peter Fontaine:
When it comes to climate and the environment, he’s done it all.

October 22, 2012 9:33 am

What time does the thing start? I won’t be able to listen in, so if anyone does and write up a report on it, that would be nice.

October 22, 2012 9:52 am

Gene Wahl: Can you review again the exemption you mentioned at UVA?
No surprise with that request…

October 22, 2012 9:55 am

Gene Wahl: Can you review again the exemption you mentioned at UVA?
No surprise with that request…

October 22, 2012 10:04 am

Gawd, how tacky.

October 22, 2012 10:04 am

Read this along the same line, Italian scientists sentenced for their earthquake prediction. I wonder if Mann and company will be looking over their shoulders?

October 22, 2012 10:24 am

Is that this event?
5 December 2012 from 12:30 – 1:30PM

Jeff D.
October 22, 2012 10:33 am

If climate scientist were held to the Italian standard ” ” I am sure things they spit out of their mouth would be much different.

cui bono
October 22, 2012 11:06 am

Six years in jail Mikey. Quaking yet?

October 22, 2012 11:13 am
October 22, 2012 11:39 am

Anoneumouse: that’s a rather strong argument in favor of the precautionary principle.
IF we are all roasting in global warming hell in ten or twenty years, will skeptics be held liable?
It’s amazing to me that a judge could sentence people for relying on the best knowledge available, if that is indeed what the scientists in question did.
If they had predicted a catastrophic quake and none occurred, would they be held responsible for the expense of moving all the people out of the region in question?

October 22, 2012 11:41 am

Steve McIntyre reported this exchange with Fontaine:

October 22, 2012 11:47 am

Jeff D. says:
If climate scientist were held to the Italian standard ” ” I am sure things they spit out of their mouth would be much different.

You will probably see them referring to the Italian standard in support of their alarmism. The Italian scientists were convicted for NOT telling scary stoires.

October 22, 2012 12:27 pm

AGU… Shame on you!

Jeff Mitchell
October 22, 2012 1:22 pm

If you want to apply the precautionary principle to skeptics if it gets hot, I hope you are equally in favor of applying it to the alarmists if it gets cold instead. What do you do if mitigating global warming starts an ice age? There is no way to “err on the side of caution” in such a case. The skeptics can argue the need to pump CO2 into the atmosphere to prevent the coming ice age on the same basis.

October 22, 2012 2:54 pm

I agree with Jeff Mitchell. The whole idea of holding scientists liable for acts of nature because they couldn’t accurately predict nature based on the extent of human knowledge at the time is nothing more than judicial Stalinism.
The judge ought to be dis-robed.

Political Junkie
October 22, 2012 2:59 pm

Cozen O’Connor is a peculiar name, but one sees why Mann was attracted to this law firm!
Here’s a dictionary definition of “cozen.”
1. To mislead by means of a petty trick or fraud; deceive.
2. To persuade or induce to do something by cajoling or wheedling.
3. To obtain by deceit or persuasion.
To act deceitfully.

October 22, 2012 9:58 pm

Seismologists clearly state the uncertainty of their science. On the other hand, many Climate ‘scientists’ not only often claim 95-97 percent certainty in being able to predict our climate 100 years out but also claim to have the power to control our climate.

October 22, 2012 10:06 pm

“I find this really, really, strange that the AGU would be sponsoring such a meeting.”
There may be a market for legal councelling among the membership.
There have been accusations of bullying, conspiracy, violation of ethical standards, of codes of conduct, making untrue statements, research grant fraud etc. against AGU members.
The fear may be that a government change may trigger investigations, or that this may even happen under the current administration, if a solar cycle triggered cooling world brings desaster to mankind.

October 23, 2012 12:51 am

I would believe that we can thank the warmists for this outrageous sentence, as it is they who have bought Science into disrepute by their infamous manufactured models and endless misinformation (The Hockey Stick and Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth just to name two) both have been demonstrated to being economical with the truth. Yet we have another warmist drone claiming otherwise. It truly is incredible how they continue on their chosen path and keep bloviat-ing their inane and obviously dishonest religion akin to some lunatic sect member.
The fact that the Planet has now NOT warmed for the last 16 years is conveniently ignored as they continue on their society destroying path in order to reduce a gas that comes in at .035 % of the atmospheric gases.
They wonder why they have resistance to their lunatic claims. Fascinating.

Brian H
October 23, 2012 2:11 am

There’s a nuance to the Italian case. A mere lab tech, G., had been using radon releases to predict tremors, and was urgently trying to alert the public to an imminent event. The sentenced scientists and bureaucrat stifled him. That may have had as much to do with the conviction as anything.

Mickey Reno
October 23, 2012 5:45 am

Just to protect myself against all future Italian liability, I’d like to warn them RIGHT NOW that Mt. Vesuvius COULD erupt, and as such, I suggest that maybe they ought to stop urbanizing the kill zone which only a couple of thousand years ago, buried Pompeii.
Just imagine the risk being incurred in that one spot. And then balance that against a desire by some to turn human beings into a world of collective crybabies because it “might” get a couple of degrees warmer. The mind boggles.

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