Open thread weekend

The Autumnal Equinox has just occurred, at 2:40PM UTC (7:49AM PDT) marking the end of summer. Despite our Jay Zwally countdown to the end of summer reaching zero on the sidebar, the Arctic sea ice is still there and gaining fast.

That’s one more alarmist prediction that did not come true, even though we had a new record low on Arctic extent, while simultaneously setting new record highs in the Antarctic.

I’m going to take a few days off to be with family and practice some target and skeet shooting, one of my hobbies. After this week, I think I’ve earned it.

Moderators will check in periodically. Thanks everyone for your consideration. This might be a good time to think about inviting a friend to visit WUWT.  – Anthony

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tallbloke
September 22, 2012 2:18 pm
Malcolm Miller
September 22, 2012 2:39 pm

I see that Jo Nova has been shut down AGAIN! This is unbearable.

pat
September 22, 2012 2:49 pm

reality:
22 Sept: Bloomberg: Matthew Carr: Coal Era Beckons for Europe as Carbon Giveaway Finishes
European utilities are poised to add more coal-fired power capacity than natural gas in the next four years, boosting emissions just as the era of free carbon permits ends.
Power producers from EON AG to RWE AG will open six times more coal-burning plants than gas-fed units by 2015, UBS AG said in a Sept. 5 research note. Profits at coal-fired power stations may more than double by then, according to a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. report published on Sept. 13.
The new stations, replacing atomic and aging fossil fuel- based plants, will boost demand for emission permits because coal-fired generators need twice as many credits as gas users under climate protection rules…
“The economics for coal are near the best we’ve seen in five years,” Laurent Segalen, a director at ECMF, said yesterday in an interview from London. Buying UN credits for 2013, after they plunged almost 80 percent in the past year, is “an amazing bargain,” he said…
UBS’s estimates for new coal plants show that Connie Hedegaard, Europe’s climate commissioner, needs to succeed in her attempt to fix the glut in the region’s cap-and-trade system to protect the reputation of carbon markets, Mark Owen-Lloyd, a trader at Leap Trading Ltd. in London and formerly at EON, said on Sept. 11 by phone…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-21/coal-era-beckons-for-europe-as-carbon-giveaway-finishes.html
insanity:
20 Sept: TheEnergyCollective: Joe Romm: In The ‘Crazy’ World Of Carbon Finance, Coal Now Qualifies For Emission Reduction Credits
“This destroys the sense that there is some sanity and rationale to this mechanism,” said Justin Guay, head of the international climate program at the Sierra Club. “The fact that we are defending coal plants as part of low-carbon finance is crazy.”…
“It’s unfortunate that the executive board has made this decision given that carbon markets are collapsing right now because of an oversupply of credits,” said Anja Kollmuss, a carbon markets expert with CDM Watch…
“When you look at the contradictory standards set by these organizations, it shows how insane the framework for discussion has become,” says the Sierra Club’s Guay…
http://theenergycollective.com/josephromm/114571/crazy-world-carbon-finance-coal-now-qualifies-emission-reduction-credits

sunsettommy
September 22, 2012 2:54 pm

Malcolm Miller,Martine,Peter Thompson and zbcustom
Jo’s twitter info:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/22/open-thread-weekend-13/#comment-1085929

DirkH
September 22, 2012 2:57 pm

BTW, any progress report from NASA’s chief mission, the muslim outreach program? How’s it working at NASA?

September 22, 2012 3:18 pm

Time to add a new page to the Climate Fail Files:
Person: Jay Zwally, NASA
Quote: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.”
Quote: “The Arctic is often cited as the canary in the coal mine for climate warming. Now as a sign of climate warming, the canary has died. It is time to start getting out of the coal mines.”
QuoteDate: 2007.12.12 (about a week before)
Source: Seth Borenstein, Associated Press (AP), Washington DC
SourceTitle: Arctic Sea Ice Gone in Summer Within Five Years?
SourceDate: 2007.12.12
SourceLink: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071212-AP-arctic-melt.html
Outcome: “Sea ice extent was 3.41 million square kilometres (1.32 million square miles) at its lowest point on 16 September, the NSIDC say, breaking the previous minimum of 4.17 million square kilometres (1.61 million square miles) recorded in 2007.”
OutcomeLink: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2012/09/arctic-sea-ice-extent-settles-at-record-seasonal-minimum/
OutcomeDate: 2012.09.19
OutcomeLink: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2012/09/20070918_vs_20120916.png
OutcomeDesc: Figure 3. The image above shows the different distribution of ice extent at the time of the September 2012 minimum, compared to the September 2007 minimum. Dark gray indicates where ice extent was present only in 2007; white indicates where ice extent was present only in 2012; and light gray shows where ice extent was present in both 2007 and 2012.

clipe
September 22, 2012 3:24 pm

Robert of Ottawa
September 22, 2012 3:39 pm

I have a cell phone app – Android – that displays the constellations my phone is pointing at. Amazing! It even works on cloudy days 🙂

Bob Diaz
September 22, 2012 3:40 pm

Video from 1982 provides Scientific Proof of Global Warming !!!!

;-))
Have a great weekend everyone!!!

pat
September 22, 2012 3:40 pm

DirkH says:
September 22, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“BTW, any progress report from NASA’s chief mission, the Muslim outreach program? How’s it working at NASA?”
Just great. The prototype flying carpet is now in its design stage. A few arguments about the appropriate chants and weaponization have slowed things down. Meanwhile Hezbollah has proved itself to have a rudimentary understanding of Russian short range rocketry circa 1942.

September 22, 2012 3:47 pm

Hi there,
1) Notice how Cryosphere 18 sep has a large area (within dotted box) as open sea while NRL shows sea ice (in fact half a meter).
So 18 september around when the record low was noted, this area is “ocean” in Cryosphere. Then 20 sep, very fast this missing area in Cryosphere data appears as ice.
If NRL had been wrong 18 sep, then its rather a “coincidence” that lots of ice just pops up in that very area so soon after?
So it looks as if NRL was right afterall 18, for some reason Cryosphere first shows this now?
http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/cryo_naval.gif
2) On ice thickness, Cryosphere 18 sep showed huge areas in red indicatin around 40% open sea water where NRL shows 3-3,5 meter thick ice…
http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/arktis2012_sep_18c.gif
3) And Finally, the ice boarder on NRL is much closer to Svalbard than on Cryosphere .
This IS odd, because NRL specificcally works with ice boarders and shold certainly have relevant satellite photos etc to evaluate thier results.
In both 1) 2) and 3) , it happens to be Cryosphere showing less sea ice than NRL, even boarders.
Bon apetit, K.R. Frank Lansner

Robert of Ottawa
September 22, 2012 3:49 pm

DirkH, I have actually had a comment censored once, it was about what to do with those who deny climate! It was true irony but outrageous – let’s say truly outrageous – so don’t get me going 🙂
As for the PBS episode, that WAS truly outrageous. PBS was pilloried for allowing a Denier to deny, IN PUBLIC, IN FRONT OF TV AUDIENCES – well, small TV audiences given it was the PBS.
For once, the PBS had attempted to be balanced, and all hell broke loose and the Ombudsman had to grovel before, and placate, the haters warmistas.

pat
September 22, 2012 4:04 pm

fantasy (old clip still being uploaded to youtube):
Youtube: George Monbiot: BBC Finds DIRECT LINK between Tobacco & Climate Deniers

reality:
5 July: Zee News India: Anti-tobacco activists ask UN to withdraw award to ITC
Taking strong objection to United Nations awarding the `World Business and Development Award, 2012` to ITC Limited, the largest producer of cigarettes in India, an NGO has written to the agency to withdraw the honour…
The NGO also expressed surprise that the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency (SIDA) and the Netherlands Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which are committed to health and tobacco control measures, sponsored and presented this year`s World Business and Development Award to a tobacco company…
http://zeenews.india.com/news/health/health-news/anti-tobacco-activists-ask-un-to-withdraw-award-to-itc_17749.html
16 July: DNA India: Pranay Lai: The curious case of tobacco companies and eco prizes
Late last month, on the sidelines of the Rio+20 conference, India’s largest cigarette maker, ITC (formerly Indian Tobacco Company) received the World Business Council for Sustainable Development’s highest prize for improving the environment and removing poverty. In tow were the UNDP’s administrator and former New Zealand prime minister, Helen Clark, and the top executive of the UN Global Compact. The award is possibly the biggest travesty of justice even by the UN and the World Bank’s weak ethical standards…
Smoking kills more than one million adults prematurely in India…
One study using government data suggests that direct expenditure on tobacco by households can potentially impoverish nearly 15 million Indians annually. Another study has found that treating just four major tobacco-related diseases account for 4.7% of India’s national healthcare expenditure…
Like tobacco companies around the world, ITC supports environmental NGOs like WWF and TERI…
Why does the UN, the World Bank or even the WHO continue to partner and recognise perverse industries like tobacco companies? The answer is simply — money…
Starved of public financing, the UN agencies rely upon ‘voluntary’ contributions like donors, private philanthropies and companies. Private funds are earmarked for specific purposes, thus circumventing ethical control. In the 1970s, such donations constituted a small proportion of the UN’s budget. By 2008, it comprised more than 70%. For the WHO this is nearly 80%, as public health agenda get shaped by private interests…
What is tragic is that Helen Clark, a responsible prime minister and wife of a respected public health expert could not have given this award in New Zealand or any other developed country…
http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_the-curious-case-of-tobacco-companies-and-eco-prizes_1715496
July 2011: Guardian: John Vidal: WWF accused of failing to regulate sustainable timber scheme
WWF, which is celebrating its 50th anniversary this year, makes about $500m a year from donations and corporate endorsements but has been criticised by other environment groups and NGOs for its links to forestry, mining, tobacco, banks, palm oil, biofuel and other companies…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/25/wwf-accused-sustainable-timber-scheme

pat
September 22, 2012 4:05 pm

GreenEarthAfrica: Who we are
(Green Earth Africa is a global leader in environmental offsets trading. It specialises in carbon credits, wild life credits and water credits)
Nick Havercroft
Chairman and Founder
He then purchased his own farm and quickly become one of the largest agriculture concerns in Zimbabwe through the acquisition of other farms and companies. He also pioneered the farm to manufacture in the tobacco business in Zimbabwe through his acquisition and development of the Savanna Tobacco Company…
http://www.greenearthafrica.com/who-we-are.html

Juan Slayton
September 22, 2012 4:06 pm

Pamela, the feminine form is definitely preferred when dealing with climate studies. For example, the earliest known precipitation report:
Oh, de rain it falleth on de just,
And also on de unjust fella,
But chiefly on de just because,
De unjust steals de just’s umbrella

September 22, 2012 4:21 pm

Pamela — get a supressor for your .22. Nothing like being able to shoot without hearing protection.
Well, sometimes you do need it. One time, I was sharing the range with one other person, he was shooting something suitable for hunting T-Rex, and had a muzzle break that directed enough blast sideways to shake the floor. Anyway, he finished what he was doing and started cleaning his rifle. I took the opportunity to remove my hearing protection and carry on shooting. Big mistake. This guy was one of those that believes that after cleaning, you fire a round (never understood that…). he didn’t check, just loaded and fired.
My ears were ringing for a day…

DirkH
September 22, 2012 4:25 pm

pat says:
September 22, 2012 at 4:05 pm
“GreenEarthAfrica: Who we are
(Green Earth Africa is a global leader in environmental offsets trading. It specialises in carbon credits, wild life credits and water credits)”
Wild life credits? Do you use them to offset that leopard you ran over the other day?

September 22, 2012 5:14 pm

“Arctic sea ice is still there and gaining fast.”
The ice that broke up with a big storm got back together through ArcticIceSocialNetwork.com.
hehe

Toto
September 22, 2012 5:17 pm

DirkH says:
September 22, 2012 at 11:57 am
The Locavore and even more extreme, “loca-consumer” idea (consuming only goods produced in your area) is making the rounds in Germany and I shred it to pieces on economic grounds every time a coworker brings it up.
Then you would love this book. Regarding Germany, he says one of the causes of WW2 was that the allies blockaded Germany after WW1 was over and caused famine in Germany, out of revenge.
On a different topic, a fellow in Norway made an animation of battles in the world over time. There is definitely a hockey stick in that. (warning: don’t scroll down the page past the video if you are easily offended)
http://www.dbtv.no/?vid=1851274759001

el gordo
September 22, 2012 5:32 pm

Much amusement!
Spent a couple of weeks at Deltoid (Tim has been ill and the mod didn’t know how to eliminate me) so I took the opportunity to explain a few natural truths.
Others soon joined me and we made a fist of it, then Tim returned and abolished us as if we never existed. George Orwell was prophetic.

Editor
September 22, 2012 6:28 pm

vukcevic says:
September 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm

Pamela Gray
Could directivity curve for forward casting sound pressure source be an explanation:
http://personal.cityu.edu.hk/~bsapplec/Fire/Image325.gif

Wow – what’s wrong with the loud speaker under test? I think it’s time for a new
one!

September 22, 2012 6:32 pm

Have just seen that Jo Nova’s site is down with an ‘Account Suspended’ message.
http://newzealandclimatechange.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/the-lewandowsky-affair/
Anybody know what is going on there?

Louis Hooffstetter
September 22, 2012 6:32 pm

Open thread weekend? Where the hell is Smokey?!

Pamela Gray
September 22, 2012 6:33 pm

So many well informed shooters! I’m all twitter pated! Yes, because of the slightly turned head position, the left ear directs much of the muzzle blast down the ear canal whereas the right ear’s collection bowl is away from the blast. Makes a huge difference. Always use the best protection you can in the ear opposite your shooting hand. Pistol shooters tend to have equal damage between the right and left ears.
Regarding range shooting, even if the range has been called “hot”, always always look to your right and left before shooting to see if hearing protection is being used and the bench area is safe to commence firing. If you don’t see hearing protection, advise before you shoot.
Here’s another tip. If you plan on covering your shooting benches with a roof, slant it up down range so noise is deflected down range. Do NOT cover your benches with a pitched roof. The noise will rattle your teeth if you do.

September 22, 2012 6:34 pm

Sorry, just read the above comments and the site has been hacked.